Why have interpoll not been involved? Liam is a British citizen who's lost his life in a foreign country under suspicious circumstances. Surely its only right they should be involved?
That’s what I was thinking…also why hasn’t Cheryl the mother of his son, said anything to help his reputation? She must have spoken to him on a regular basis because of Bear? Any mother would want to know who their ex was knocking about with. Cheryl would know how he was acting and going on in his relationships. I would love to hear her say something @REALHARSH It maybe that I missed it if she has commented, please let me know
Interesting how Liam worked with AJ and JC Chavez from N'SYNC last year. They were both in big Super Famous Boy Bands. They both said that Liam was great to work with, he was really serious about his new music and he was definitely sober. Everyone who worked with Liam really liked him. Rita Ora and Charlie Puth both worked with Liam Payne, loved him and said he was a great person and friend.
Did all the 10-15 wedding guests not have mobiles & catch video evidence of Liam being a nightmare ??? Hmmmm now how much would that video be worth to TMZ I wonder ????
I mentioned this 2 videos ago. Sebastian Soto who is also covering the case said that Liams Psychiatrist had told him in Sept. that she could no longer be his Dr. b/c he was being "Non Compliant". He was drinking with his depression medications and she said she told him not to do that. Drs are allowed to drop patients & she said Liam needed a new Psychiatrist, she wanted him to see a Primary Care Dr. and she wanted Liam to do therapy sessions. It was her duty to give Liam a scheduled appt. with a new Psychiatrist, a Primary Care Dr. and set up therapy sessions. The Primary Care Dr (PCD) is supposed to do urine tests & blood tests & just follow up with his physical health and also b/c of his kidney issues. She gave his records to Roger Nores who has no medical background and it breaks the HIPPA law that started in 1996 to protect pts. privacy. She can be charged with "Abandoment of a Pt." That would include a fine of sometimes $500 and a mark on her medical license which we have to renew every 2 years. If there is a mark on her license whatever city or State she was in she would have to go in front of a Medical Board of 6 Drs. to plead her case. Sorry if this content is boring but from the medical side it is very important.
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5k not boring v informative…thank you…it’s like everyone including every professional (and I include the hotel management as professional roles) seem to be working against their own best interests. Now why would that be I wonder? What possible inducements would make a professional ‘risk’ their career? 🤔 & who would offer & why? A long grift?
@@AnnCronin-ds6pu When I posted it 2 videos ago someone said a Psychiatrist is not a Dr. LOL Yes they are you do Medical school then pick your specialty. Thats why I said that.
She handed his medical records to Nores?! …. Instead of to a new specialist or a GP? Almost as if Roger wanted the records to start grounds for a conservatorship, and she was in cahoots with him. I don’t get how Roger was so much in control of all this instead of Liam’s parents being the ones the psychiatrist dealt with.
@@clairecarscallen Yes. Go find the YT'er Sebastian Soto. He does a lot of videos but he also covered the story. In 1 of his Liam videos he read it directly off a news source.
One of my main concerns is where was Liam trying to go to and why were people around him trying to stop Liam from leaving the hotel? Liam might have been trying to get some help, or tell someone what was happening at the hotel! I hope the truth comes out and Liam’s Inquest answers some questions for his family.
Esteban Grassi - the chief receptionist at the Casasur Palermo Hotel who made the 911 call, had apparently been updating Liam's "friend" Roger Nores on everything that had been happening. He was the one who claimed Liam's ex-partner had been staying in the room above Liam's. A lot of people have been trying to speculate who that might have been. But Esteban might have let that information slip when he revealed to Roger via text that "Lula sent us an email To tell us not to provide More alcohol to the room" he also added "I'm just telling you so you are aware." The Lula he is referring to can surely only be the same Lula Miranda that was seen hanging out with Liam, Kate, and Roger throughout his time in Argentina. Lula is believed to be a close friend of Roger's (and might even be his girlfriend some have speculated). Might she be the one staying in the hotel whilst Liam was also there? Why is nobody asking her that question?!
Roger must have had the staff under strict instruction not to call the doctor. Why? Because they had injured him and given him rugs and they didn't want this coming out. Liam must have been very scared of them to want to be in the foyer all the time. He may have been wanting to escape to get to the police or a doctor and they prevented this to save their a$$es.
the hotel workers were following Roger's instructions, that's the reason they don't call emergency services earlier and lock Liam in his room. in the whatsapp messages between Esteban grassi and Roger they talk about Liam, and Esteban tells him everything about what Liam supposedly does, according to Esteban Roger introduced himself as Liam's manager. Esteban and Rogelio know each other from before and the only reason for hotel employees to do what they did is because they have a business and someone is paying them. because supposedly Liam was aggressive then they should have called the police and get him out of there, but they didn't have that intention because in one of the calls Esteban says that they don't want the police, it's possible that in the hotel there is rug tr@fficking and also human tr@fficking, the building looks unsafe and has several accesses to the rooms, and Roger's family has a relationship with the hotel owners. It is also suspicious that the hotel workers follow Liam everywhere and have a WhatsApp group where they share photos and videos of Liam. I think Liam was not aggressive and that his computer was destroyed when he fainted. They locked Liam in his room and there is no CCTV in the balcony area, maybe there was someone inside his room and they entered unseen through those other entrances or they pretended to be hotel employees.
Because there is no proof, no video none of that stuff exists!! It’s a very well put together narrative!! And the judge needs to recuse herself!! But where’s the video proof of this in this age of people recording everything!!??
@@TartanGrrlOh. They said ex girlfriend but this went crickets. Maybe it was her above him. To me she was trying to help kate and the care of liam against roger.
I've always thought that Liam was attacked, the room smashed up and staged. I'm wondering if Liam did kick off in the lobby because he wasn't allowed to leave. Which then helped them push the narrative he was drunk and aggressive.
Whatever way you’re thinking, this is all very, very suss. Personally, apart from everything else, I just can’t get past the fact that he was left alone, without assistance, if he was in such a “state”. That doesn’t add up for normal people.
Another year Harsh! tbh glad to see the back of 2024, Liams death has affected me like I didn't think it would, but as a family we saw him turn from a cheeky lad who gave Cheryl a wink to a talented songwriter with 1D to superstardom. He shouldn't be dead Harsh I'm not ashamed to say when charges were made & it made all the MSM I had a little cry. I thought yes justice is coming. Roger getting 15 years maybe then charges changed now he could walk. I despise that man. He had a major hand in killing Liam & he has to go to jail. Liam didn't fall. 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤ Liam.
Louis Tomlinson was out last night and he took some pics. His face says it all and is trying to be okay for everyone. Something still doesn’t set right.
No he didn’t he moved because there was too many fans there so he got an air b and b or went to gon house can’t remember order but that is just going with drugs narrative and him being a nightmare
Google has many satellites in space constantly taking images and possibly recorded video of earth. If they can zoom in down to any building and see humans outside any building (which they can), I would love to see images of outside the hotel at times of Liam’s movement to that patio. We would have so many answers to this case!
HNY from Australia, Harsh. I’m so glad I came across your channel recently, as I’m having trouble dealing with what has happened and it’s so frustrating! I take comfort in listening to you and your videos, being so invested in this tragedy also. Glad you are in the mend 😊
You have to keep in mind people with ADHD notice everything around them before anyone else does in a span of 1.5 seconds... I am sure he would have noticed he could get down to the bottom through those access ways. This is why I don't think he fell.
Surely he would have had time in a few days to size that up. Still rather a distance away from his balcony noones mentioning all his injuries either. 🤔 I still think he was placed personally.
I’ve listened to your theory about the access ladder being a possible route for the persons involved to move Liam’s body to the courtyard, but I don’t think it would be easy/practical to move him this way. Possibly used the elevator and dragged/carried him through the restaurant (as it was closed). I like many people find this all very disturbing and so much corruption in Argentina, I really hope they get to the bottom of this case. Poor Liam! 😢No doubt we will never get the whole truth and I feel that there is a lot more than we will ever know. Someone is being protected and I’m guessing they are rich enough to make this ‘go away’! Too many lies being told. Liam’s family deserves to know why and how this happened to their son!
It’s been nothing but lies !, what’s up with the judge! Are they all bent,! Liams dad knew this was no accident as soon as he went in that hotel room, he knew who was behind this set up, Roger!!! Who are Roger’s friends the Henry’s, who couldn’t bear his little girl to suffer, daddy!!! Who has the money to pay Roger, hotel staff, Brett n co n Brian,, her daddy!!! Who knew they could get Roger off the hook, daddy!!! WHY did he, he’s a fllthy Rich lawyer!!! Money NO object, brilliant expertise! He didn’t get where he is today without!!!!!! Ooh this was preplanned, pre meditated!!! What I can’t understand is there are professionals that know this, that must have more clout than the Henry’s! WHY don’t they come forward!!! Liam was loved worldwide!!! Roger should not get away with this!!! Liam, his family n worldwide fans deserve justice!!! It’s finding people with money n more expertise than those behind this, if not will Roger walk!!! Will Liam being killed account for nothing, The Payne Family know the truth!!! Does the TRUTH account for nothing? JUSTICE FOR LIAM , WE LOVE YOU LIAM, ROGER WAS NO FRIEND OF LIAM!!! HES A FRIEND OF THE HENRYS!!! PLEASE HELP THE TRUTH BE TOLD, THANK- YOU ♥♥♥
Surely with the amount of money Cheryl has plus 1D band members they collectively could pay for top detectives, lawyers anything that's needed. @@ritabrett7739
@@REALHARSH knowing about this new escape route changes things. Liam would have been well aware of it and may have wanted that room for this reason as well as Roger for other plans. Escaping by climbing over the balcony is now out of the question. Not surprised the Argentinian authorities never mention this and that the cctv is not being shown. This is huge.
TMZ is at it again saying basically that Liam was in control of what happened and no one was really responsible but him. I agree there is an agenda out there to bury this as a simple OD/accident. Keep digging Harsh!
I’ve read so many comments under print articles where everyone is saying the same. That no one is responsible for his death but him. He was a grown man and didn’t need “babysitting “”That he made his own choices and everyone should stop trying to blame someone else. Really sad that people trash him without looking farther into what really happened, not that it would change their minds though.
Yup, injuries sustained don't add up.Liam was set up & placed there. Too many conflicting accounts. Even the hazy, doctored photos don't match with any of the accounts provided.
As soon as Liam arrived in that room, he would have assessed how to get out. It's a ADHD thing. They have to know all this to relax, so in my opinion, he knew exactly how to leave via balcony.
Happy New Year Harsh 🎉! I agree with you!!! I've always thought he was beating & thrown over .... He fell too far out if he fell at all!!! I feel he was placed in that courtyard!!! It's really fishy that the video of him falling dissapears 😢😢😢
Happy New Year everyone! 🎊🎉. I believe Liam was beaten and placed where he was found. If he did go over the balcony, he wasn't alive when he did. IMO anyway.
There wasn't a mark on his face, arms or body.....plus the TMZ documentary showed the glass balcony panel that had been fingerprinted....showing that Liam slid down off the balcony
@@Lma894 Yes I’m afraid he will, I mean it’s his home country he’s famous there for starting his companies that made him wealthy. I’m sure he has a lawyer who knows the judge and money also talks!
If you are not invested in this case ,the comments I 've been reading from the Gp are discusting ..they absolutely fall for the tabloids BS that he was a junkie and he has him self to blame. Imo if there's CCTV cameras from the restaurant facing that way ,there should be photo ,otherwise they can't prove for certain he did fall
Liam didnt jumped or fell,Liam was lured to Argentina to be murdered in that hotel! His 25 injuries are NOT compatible with fall!!!! Liam was beaten and unalived!!!!
Because he was already dead and I do believe they kept liams body over there all that time was done to stop his family from getting a second autopsy and also they embalmed him and when they do that they can't do an autopsy
I worked as a duty manager in a hotel in the uk, multiple walks, and checks 24 hours a day had to be completed , including the roof to the basement , we would walk every floor using fire entrance/exits so up one side to the roof then walk back down to the basement the other side, so in my experience management can access everywhere
Agree i think solved how possibly bret watson who saw everythinh including nody fall. And hotel wrkers had acces to liams room killed in room smashing tv and his hesd. And took him to the ground like feet past his balcony makes no sense fall uncontrollably several feet to the left not striaght down under his balcony. Why have no cctv footage
Very cleverly spotted Suzan, also, if he had received injuries before "falling" this may explain why they did not call a doctor who would have seen them. Could Liam be trying to get out to safety, to a police station or to a doctor himself and been intercepted by the hotel staff?
I road the back of a rescue as an emt for 12 yrs and I'm telling you Liam did not fall and die. I have seen trauma that caused death that when a person's heart isn't beating there is no more blood flow. In the tmz pics there is very little blood around liams head indicates his heart was stopped before the apparent fall. If he was alive at the time of fall there would have seen a lot more blood around the head and further more if his head hit the cement base of the umbrella there would have been a head that looked like a smashed pumpkin. Not a perfect head and face like liam's did. Sorry to be so blunt but it needs to be said. It is so obvious he was dead before this apparent that it's almost ridiculous.
Thank you for speaking out. You only confirm what a lot of people have been speculating. There just wasn't enough blood for this kind of accident. They most likely placed Liam's body there AFTER he had already passed away, unfortunately. 😢
@TartanGrrl absolutely they did. I seen a video that was circulating that looks like he was actually dragged out on patio by 2 people and the his body arranged on the patio floor. That is the restaurant that was cl8sed at that time that been reported. Fir their siesta. Also would coinside with what the fan said when she met Luam in lobby at approximately 2:00. He said to her he was going back up to his room to eat something and he would come back down after that and speak to them and sign autographs. This may also be why we seen footage of Liam on bottom floor looking for something from kitchen to get food cuz restaurant cl8sed. I mean this is almost a joke what they are trying to say what happened to him. Just wait though now that a few of them are in custody maybe they will sing like birds to save their own skin. 🙏
If he did hit the tv, I would say it was a head hit, maybe he was thrown into it. Idk. Im pretty sure that pic has been proven false/staged, but just a thought. I definitely agree he was already dead before being on the ground, now we just gotta figure out what actually happened. He was very obviously murdered though. There's a short of Roger passing liam something in passing and like a pro. So I think Roger supplied him drugs.
Thank you for your comment. I absolutely trust your life experience. What you have said makes perfect sense. I believe Liam was dead before he was placed on the patio floor. As you pointed out, if he had been alive when his head hit the umbrella pedestal his head would have had massive damage that would have impacted his head and face. Thank you again.
I don't buy the timeline either..when the 1st call was made & then second the greeting was 'good morning '. I believe Liam died hours B4 and the plan / actors etc put together. Roger had accomplices. Acting with Maya's family and direct beneficiaries are record label too. All had something to gain. Roger in debt and I believe Liam was his sacrifice to forgive debts & remain in with powerful connections.
The statement in itself again implicates hotel: if Liam was trying to '"escape" over balcony, then why did they have the power to stop him from leaving his hotel room and hotel. Was he in prison in that hotel. Trust me if someone stopped me from leaving a hotel room, I'll be calling the police to state I'm being kidnapped sounds drastic but that is what I would do, but hang on he did not have his phone (one mins he did next mins he didn't) and could he use the hotel phone to even call 911. Honestly these statements just continue to implicate the hotel....SET UP COVER UP, IF YOU WANNA DO A CRIME AND DON'T WANNA DO THE TIME THEN ALL WELCOME IN ARGENTINA!!! For me until Liam father's categorically states he has seen verified footage and it is crystal clear no AI/falsifying involved in developing that footage, then the balcony escape route is speculative but it could explain how his Rolex was stolen!!! This open's Pandora's box because this makes Liam's room more accessible to not only staff but hotel guests or anyone who had stayed at hotel before and knew where Liam was staying and could just walk into hotel!!!! And now we have to look at the guests staying at hotel particularly those who knew which room he was staying in but sounds like every one knew Liam's business. What a disgrace, this poor man had no privacy and the level of abuse/security breaches needs to be added to the charges!!!
Have you seen Suzanne’s video questioning how secure that hotel was? She’s seems to have done a better inspection of the hotel than the authorities! Her video shows a ladder that goes from the ground up the side of the building alongside hvac units that are adjacent to the balconies. Down the Rabbit Hole YT channel has also posted Suzanne ‘s analysis.
I don't believe Liam was trying to escape ,why would he if he wanted out of the hotel he would just go out why would someone stop him .he only had trases of drugs and alcohol and he was interacting with fans in the lobby so he was aware what he was doing why would he climb on the balcony,and what a coincidence he fainted in that moment .Roger holds the key here.or he was facilitating drugs to Liam for some reason and know he is lieing he was fine,or he is scapegoat and the hotel are trying to set him up to clean themselves
@@REALHARSH also when they’re saying if no one was in his room, maybe they climbed up the ladder and was in his room when he got there so we don’t even know who could have been in the room waiting.
aj mne to napadlo.Liam si od fanúšičky len odbehol a už sa nevrátil.Možno keď vošiel do izby, niekto tam bol. Niekto,kto mohol po rebríku vojsť do izby .Vtedy ho dobili na smrť. V nahrávke, keď volali 911 je počuť v pozadí...pomôžte mi ho dvíhať, je ťažký. No mŕtve telo je ťažké 😢😢😢R I.P. Liam❤
Happy New Year Harsh and family!🎉. I woke up to this video. Really nice! I have thought he didn’t fall and this is an explanation! I know hotels well as I stay at least 3 nights a week and have for 35 years. (Don’t know this one but Susan’s theory is good). I wish anyone would actually look into anything. This is slow and ridiculous the entire process! 😂
For someone (Liam) well known for his balcony escapes he would 100% IMO know that he could escape through that gate and down those “ladders” The D ring on that gate doesn’t appear to have a padlock!!
I seen this the other day on another channel, she showed everything around the hotel!!! Wow 😲 of how people could of got inside Liam's room?without a key!
Help me lift him was heard in the background on the first 911 calling for help not the police !!! Cut the call short then called back shortly after APPARENTLY!!!! Not sure if this was another fake statement or not !,, it seems everything I’ve read when I’ve gone back to find it & double check it’s nowhere to be seen . That statement was made by a Spanish reporter with subtitles but it’s vanished no doubt with the reporter too !!!!!
@@Lma894 Do you think it is strange no fan photos or videos at Casa Sur? Just back of him or blurred CCTV? So many at the Hyatt which is a 5 star hotel with security and far from the street - why would an A lister like Liam go from there to a 4 star tourist hotel where people can walk straight in off the pavement? It makes no sense! Not ONE fan photo there, not even from the reported fan who said she spoke to him in the lobby. Why does no one else think that is glaringly obvious the reason why no photos is he was never staying there. Hyatt pics same outfit he was found dead in. I truly believe he was killed that night and they took him to casa sur and staged the entire scene to explain his death.
All that stuff was placed where it was found!! If Liam was climbing down, and lost footing or whatever he’d have went straight down to end up where he was he’d have had to push off from the balcony!! And I agree he’d have known that ladder was there!! So he could have used the ladder!!
I read somewhere in one of the messages, a neighbour opposite the Hotel has the camera footage as they have a camera facing that side of the Hotel where the balconies are. So where is this footage??? Its vital that it is shown to the courts!
Sounds awful is the neighbour still alive or now been silenced or refuting they ever had such footage!!! No way I'm ever going to Argentina, a disgrace of a hotel and judicial system!!
Someone on the opposite side did post some video footage of two forensic investigators on the balcony with their torches later in the evening. Not sure if anyone captured the exact moment of Liam's fall though. 🤔
I have seen a reel which I deleted in error and now can’t find it now …saying that Brett Watson the alleged wedding guest works for a company called Edward Jones Investments as a portfolio manager and the company works on coservatorships..all part of the plan to get Control totally of Liam
I had seen this video over a week ago ago on the ‘only the brave’ channel. Great detective work! Could explain why Liam’s bottle of whiskey did not break which is what you would expect to happen if he fell from a height.
I only created an account and uploaded it on YT yesterday, but it’s my video from TT that I created and posted on there over a week ago. Could definitely explain the whiskey bottle… although that could’ve been planted when they were under the umbrellas
So they have came in through the air conditioning bit where there is a ladder I’m quite sure Liam would have noticed that as an emergency way out the hotel without him being seen Liam wasn’t stupid
Did Liam try and use the fire escape instead of the balcony and as he was under the influence did he fall from the ladder it would make more sence where he ended up in the court yard. Im still not convived he was ever there. If he only had two days to wait for his visa why didnt he stay at his friends villa where he posted having breakfast with kate. He had the means to stay in the most luxurious hotels the Casa sur is right on the street offering no privacy the back of the hotel where the balcony is is overlooked from all sides and not one person has footage of him falling it doesn't make sence.
Happy New Year! Looks like a fire escape to hotel. Also have you noticed that that bag has been depicted in multiple photos sometimes on the second floor balcony and some pics on the third floor balcony??? Setup??
Fed up reports stating he fell in an unconscious state , how the Fck do you move if ur unconscious! Unless ur a sleep walker .. Hold On - tomorrows news
Happy New Year Harsh. If LP was such a nightmare in the hotel why didn’t the hotel make him leave instead of dragging him to his room. If they had a video of him falling it would have been brought up in the court case and they would have said that they had undeniable proof of the fall. I think you are spot on with the stairs/fire escape route outside on the balcony. The MS media are not investigating enough, just copying whatever they are being told to say.
HNY Harsh! Agree with so many points you make…. Fans say he was never there, the wedding party all with phone cameras, not 1 single photo, CCTV - not working/working not showing anything useful. Photo of smashed up room debunked as 12 years old. Did his therapist discharge him, who knows? It would seem Liam was not in the best place mentally, he was drinking & he had binned going to rehab, and allegedly his therapist & Roger had told family that Liam was not good, but short of his dad coming & forcing him into a secure situation, what could have been done? At 31 he is a grown man & even if you are an addict unless you present with an immediate risk of harm to yourself or others the legal options are limited….very sad and what 10 weeks on & no closer to the truth - very very tragic 🙏🏼
@@sandytw5229 Exactly. There were 10 to 15 wedding guests in the lobby (according to Roger) - but only groom-to-be Bret Watson took a photo from behind (of Liam laying on the couch with the laptop). Some folks are saying that Liam doesn't even look like he's still alive in that photo - due to (what looks like) some red bruising around the eye area, and a heavy pixilated blacker area on the back of his head (trying to hide some bleeding perhaps?) Some have even pointed out there appears to be a wound on his knuckle above his tattoo. He is also not wearing his beloved Rolex watch or gold bracelet in the photo - despite wearing them for almost the entirety of rest of his time in Argentina.
@@TartanGrrl agreed, totally moody! It’s one ‘story’ from authorities after another & a shed load of theories! I tend to side with the fans & what is missing - 15 people with Liam in the lobby, but no photos…. The fans saying he was never there & believed he was leaving Argentina… I think it’s entirely possible Liam wandered off, got mugged or attacked for his watch alone, sadly he was naive to think he was safe in a 3rd world country, when infact he was a giant kidnap target/similar, no security, no manager, no record deal & g/f gone home….oh & struggling with several addictions,still tragic..
Happy New Year to the Harsh family!! Wishing you a very happy healthy and prosperous new year ahead!!! My heart just breaks with this case. I pray that Liam’s family can try to find some peace with all of this. I can’t imagine what they are going through.
Liam seemed like a very observant person with his surroundings on his videos when showing his houses and places. He surely did see there is a ladder to get down. Also ignore the rude comments @REALHARSH most of us love what you are doing for LP. Thank you 😊
It's worth a thought but authorities won't look at this. Not sure if any theories/concerns can be passed on to Liam's family lawyers but would expect/hope for their own investigators to be looking at more than what we are being led to believe. It would have taken at least 2 people to carry him dowm the access stairs and this may have taken longer, it's a stretch but in this case any possible scenarios worth looking at!
****NOTICE***** MY OPINION ONLY. THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CLOSEST TO LIAM PAYNE INNER CIRCLE AND SHORTLY AFTER THE CIRCLE SHOULD BE PUT IN A ROOM ALL TOGETHER AND SCRUTINIZED."PROFUSELY" FIRST MAJOR GET. ****MONEY**** Who has ties to Liam Payne I have my theories. ❤Great video harsh 👍
People who've watched this should definitely watch the video linked (there's also a "short" on that channel). I think it absolutely is on point. Great detective work done there and it needs to be seen.
After I saw Liams Dad stand on the balcony I Googled how tall Liam was. He was 5'10. Of course with age his Dad might have been a bit shorter but Liams height would bring the ledge of the balcony at around his pelvic bone. There is no way he fell over & he if he did it would have been to the floor of the balcony. This is the 1st time I am hearing about the ladder. Wishing Harsh & family a Happy and Healthy 2025 and to everyone here.
If he just fell over, he would surely have landed on top of the metal and glass trellis roofing that covers the seating and chair area directly below the balconies? But somehow he missed that area entirely - even though he was supposedly unconscious during the fall - due to the lack of any defensive wounds on his body.
@KarenFleming-f4t Liam was supposedly unconscious when he fell - due to the lack of any defensive wounds on his body. He would have fallen directly downwards onto the metal and glass trellis roofing that covers the seating and table area below. But somehow he missed all of that.
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Good Morning, nice to see you feeling better..Happy New Year. Every day there is something new about Liam..everything is very complicated..however I don't think Liam jumped off the balcony by himself...absolutely
BEEN WIITH YOU A VERY LONG HARSHMELLOW AND I TRUST EVERYTHING YOU BRING US. TY FOR THAT. HAPPY NEW YR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ❤❤ POOR LIAM, JUST MAKES ME SICK 😢
Liam would have checked out his room and balcony when he first got the room he would know if he could get down it safely or not Liam wasn’t stupid he’s an iteligant lad
I've been thinking about this a lot...they say he tried to go down the balcony and fell unconscious! BUT how did he manage to get his brown bag in the middle of the second floor balcony if he fell?? How did he scale the balcony, throw his bag or whatever and then fall? doesn't make sense because you need two hands and one hand would be needed for the bag
Happy new year very best wishes harsh, family and all viewers/and subscribers ! Thanks to harsh for fantastic channel, am now avid fan of yours, so glad I found it, keep up your superb, dedicated work, research and excellent complilations. Takecare, Di. (Greater Manchester area.). UK. Xxx
Happy New Year.🎉Just to paint the full picture (as Liam seemed to go 0 to 90 from arrival in Arg to death & especially on the 16th) where was Liam between leaving the Hyatt & going to stay at the Polo farm on the weekend before he died. 1 report cited an Airbnb but where and more importantly with who? met who? (KC still in Arg at that time)
Wasn’t there a female journalist in Argentina that claimed to have seeing a video of Liam fainting off the balcony? I hate how they’re trying to throw multiple scenarios to see what sticks.
Also, Where's the female wedding planner that hotel witness Bret Watson claimed to have seen Liam fall from his hotel room? That story has now apparently changed to Bret being the one to have seen the body fall. But before it was both of them looking out of the window together.
A wedding planner and a man getting married were inside hotel looking out at courtyard. She saw a falling person and both heard sound or both saw. These persons were in total shock and if you imagine how fast and literal seconds this was. There is in Spanish her telling what she saw. It seemed at first interview at hotel after it happened he stated she told him she saw him fall past window and they heard it then he seemingly changed that she told him she saw it and said they saw it. I don't doubt they were there and it was fast and shocking and apparently they are traumatized. Separately there is CCTV footage of Liam stumbling on balcony very intoxicated as had been in lobby trying to get down and he falls. They have all that footage and judge used it in her ruling and worded her words from analyzing that footage. My understanding is since TMZ was blasted for photos that when they had the footage it was stated it will never be released and is under lock and key. That was backlash but many stated don't release it and there is a child involved here remember.
@@SimplyShazelle I remember when it was first claimed that the CCTV wasn't working for around an hour during the time leading up to and around Liam's supposed fall. Then all of a sudden they begin to release some very blurry still shots, nearly always of the back of Liam's head. No offence, but that guy could literally be anyone. That might even be a paid lookalike actor/ or a member of their own staff that's just walking around pretending to be Liam. Why aren't they releasing the actual CCTV footage that shows Liam walking around by himself - and interacting with everyone? Showing real movement. Roger Nores claimed there were up to 10 or 15 wedding guests in the lobby talking with Liam, so where are they? Why does TMZ only focus on Bret Watson? Where's all of the other witness statements? Whatever happened to the fan "Rebecca" that was supposedly in the lobby taking photos? Where's Doug Jones that heard the "loud violent scream." Where's the wedding planner? Or the bride-to-be?
What I keep wondering did the police take any fingerprints and compare the DNA on the drugs paraphernalia? Never read anything about matching fingerprints unless details being kept schtum...as everything else, we haven't seen much proof/evidence here
I hope you and your family have a year filled with more blessings than you would ever exept! Happy New Year Harsh! Thanks for all you do and your coverage of this case! This case is just not sitting well with me still. I pray the entire truth is revealed!!
All the best for 2025 to you and your family let's hope his family find some tiny piece of hope at least and the strength to keep going to find justice for their son and the strength as grandparents I've just returned from seeing my grandchild and daughter God only knows what they are going through I'm sure grateful for the love in my life let us all be grateful for today and show kindness to others
Roger apparently convinced Liam to sack all his previous staff and he put security in place. The security guard went back with Kate leaving Liam was alone
Also & if indeed so: It's 100% Shocking as to why wasn't there any personal/private security personnel provided to Liam by e.g. His Record Label Company or even Liam employing His very own/private security personnel even if it was just 1 Consistent & Constant Bodyguard that was specifically designated to Him/Liam (even more so since He/Liam was visiting a foreign country to Him, etc.) including of course while He was staying at any hotels along with any other accommodations in Argentina in October 2024...Wondering: did He ever have any personal/private security personnel with Him at any point in Argentina in October 2024?
@@janebeesley5766Who told you that???? Kate filmed herself leaving and when she was on the plane back to Florida. Kate didn't need a Bodyguard. Liam needed a Bodyguard!
Mmm It would of been more probable that they launched him, as to make it look more like he fell himself! Just in case if CCTV etc would cover them! As for Liam going down the ladders, i think he was so clued up with escaping from balconies in the past! I believe he was launched off to his death 😢
Why was their six people under the umbrellas before the emergency people came and they was in black suits one was pulling which looks like a person on the ground the video is out their and I can't say which looks like a person it does you see the head face up and the arms being pulled along the ground by one of the men in the black suits
Have you seen the same video but closer up when you can hear people talking? Clear as day you hear “ow man ow” people are saying this is Liam then you hear a noise which is they are saying him being hit. I was sure he was murdered at gon and placed there but that has confused me. Like when Ann heche was killed seen sat up then suddenly she was gone. People say can see him sat up I can’t but I can hear the voice
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!
Wishing you all the best for 2025!!! 🎉
Happy New Year HARSH 🎉🎄
Happy New Year!! ♥️
Back atcha Harsh!
Happy newyear harsh and family
@realharsh can’t find the link to see the hotel ty
Why have interpoll not been involved? Liam is a British citizen who's lost his life in a foreign country under suspicious circumstances. Surely its only right they should be involved?
Great question
That’s what I was thinking…also why hasn’t Cheryl the mother of his son, said anything to help his reputation? She must have spoken to him on a regular basis because of Bear? Any mother would want to know who their ex was knocking about with. Cheryl would know how he was acting and going on in his relationships. I would love to hear her say something @REALHARSH It maybe that I missed it if she has commented, please let me know
Great point why have they not?!
Exactly!! Isn’t that what they are there for! Surely that is what interpoll is for!
Like Princess Diana?
Interesting how Liam worked with AJ and JC Chavez from N'SYNC last year. They were both in big Super Famous Boy Bands. They both said that Liam was great to work with, he was really serious about his new music and he was definitely sober. Everyone who worked with Liam really liked him. Rita Ora and Charlie Puth both worked with Liam Payne, loved him and said he was a great person and friend.
Did all the 10-15 wedding guests not have mobiles & catch video evidence of Liam being a nightmare ??? Hmmmm now how much would that video be worth to TMZ I wonder ????
Or other guests from the 61 bedroom hotel!
I mentioned this 2 videos ago. Sebastian Soto who is also covering the case said that Liams Psychiatrist had told him in Sept. that she could no longer be his Dr. b/c he was being "Non Compliant". He was drinking with his depression medications and she said she told him not to do that. Drs are allowed to drop patients & she said Liam needed a new Psychiatrist, she wanted him to see a Primary Care Dr. and she wanted Liam to do therapy sessions. It was her duty to give Liam a scheduled appt. with a new Psychiatrist, a Primary Care Dr. and set up therapy sessions. The Primary Care Dr (PCD) is supposed to do urine tests & blood tests & just follow up with his physical health and also b/c of his kidney issues. She gave his records to Roger Nores who has no medical background and it breaks the HIPPA law that started in 1996 to protect pts. privacy. She can be charged with "Abandoment of a Pt." That would include a fine of sometimes $500 and a mark on her medical license which we have to renew every 2 years. If there is a mark on her license whatever city or State she was in she would have to go in front of a Medical Board of 6 Drs. to plead her case. Sorry if this content is boring but from the medical side it is very important.
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5k not boring v informative…thank you…it’s like everyone including every professional (and I include the hotel management as professional roles) seem to be working against their own best interests. Now why would that be I wonder? What possible inducements would make a professional ‘risk’ their career? 🤔 & who would offer & why? A long grift?
@@AnnCronin-ds6pu When I posted it 2 videos ago someone said a Psychiatrist is not a Dr. LOL Yes they are you do Medical school then pick your specialty. Thats why I said that.
She handed his medical records to Nores?! …. Instead of to a new specialist or a GP?
Almost as if Roger wanted the records to start grounds for a conservatorship, and she was in cahoots with him.
I don’t get how Roger was so much in control of all this instead of Liam’s parents being the ones the psychiatrist dealt with.
Thank you for saying this! Yes, this is extremely concerning.
@@clairecarscallen Yes. Go find the YT'er Sebastian Soto. He does a lot of videos but he also covered the story. In 1 of his Liam videos he read it directly off a news source.
One of my main concerns is where was Liam trying to go to and why were people around him trying to stop Liam from leaving the hotel?
Liam might have been trying to get some help, or tell someone what was happening at the hotel!
I hope the truth comes out and Liam’s Inquest answers some questions for his family.
Esteban Grassi - the chief receptionist at the Casasur Palermo Hotel who made the 911 call, had apparently been updating Liam's "friend" Roger Nores on everything that had been happening. He was the one who claimed Liam's ex-partner had been staying in the room above Liam's. A lot of people have been trying to speculate who that might have been. But Esteban might have let that information slip when he revealed to Roger via text that "Lula sent us an email To tell us not to provide More alcohol to the room" he also added "I'm just telling you so you are aware." The Lula he is referring to can surely only be the same Lula Miranda that was seen hanging out with Liam, Kate, and Roger throughout his time in Argentina. Lula is believed to be a close friend of Roger's (and might even be his girlfriend some have speculated). Might she be the one staying in the hotel whilst Liam was also there? Why is nobody asking her that question?!
Roger must have had the staff under strict instruction not to call the doctor. Why? Because they had injured him and given him rugs and they didn't want this coming out. Liam must have been very scared of them to want to be in the foyer all the time. He may have been wanting to escape to get to the police or a doctor and they prevented this to save their a$$es.
the hotel workers were following Roger's instructions, that's the reason they don't call emergency services earlier and lock Liam in his room. in the whatsapp messages between Esteban grassi and Roger they talk about Liam, and Esteban tells him everything about what Liam supposedly does, according to Esteban Roger introduced himself as Liam's manager. Esteban and Rogelio know each other from before and the only reason for hotel employees to do what they did is because they have a business and someone is paying them. because supposedly Liam was aggressive then they should have called the police and get him out of there, but they didn't have that intention because in one of the calls Esteban says that they don't want the police, it's possible that in the hotel there is rug tr@fficking and also human tr@fficking, the building looks unsafe and has several accesses to the rooms, and Roger's family has a relationship with the hotel owners. It is also suspicious that the hotel workers follow Liam everywhere and have a WhatsApp group where they share photos and videos of Liam. I think Liam was not aggressive and that his computer was destroyed when he fainted. They locked Liam in his room and there is no CCTV in the balcony area, maybe there was someone inside his room and they entered unseen through those other entrances or they pretended to be hotel employees.
Because there is no proof, no video none of that stuff exists!! It’s a very well put together narrative!! And the judge needs to recuse herself!! But where’s the video proof of this in this age of people recording everything!!??
@@TartanGrrlOh. They said ex girlfriend but this went crickets. Maybe it was her above him. To me she was trying to help kate and the care of liam against roger.
If they had got him to the hospital instead of carrying him up to his room then he would still be alive now.
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@@sarahpeckham7138 that was never part of the plan
Absolutely
@@angelaphelan6080No but it should have been 🙄🙄😓😓
I've always thought that Liam was attacked, the room smashed up and staged. I'm wondering if Liam did kick off in the lobby because he wasn't allowed to leave. Which then helped them push the narrative he was drunk and aggressive.
Me too
If we all can see the truth what happened, why can’t the judge. (MONEY) we need an honest judge, there must still be some? xxxx
Whatever way you’re thinking, this is all very, very suss.
Personally, apart from everything else, I just can’t get past the fact that he was left alone, without assistance, if he was in such a “state”. That doesn’t add up for normal people.
I think it's
Very strange at the beginning of all this the CCTV'S were not working so how have they got all these pictures
@@lisamcginley-o3t I don't get that!!💯💯
Another year Harsh! tbh glad to see the back of 2024, Liams death has affected me like I didn't think it would, but as a family we saw him turn from a cheeky lad who gave Cheryl a wink to a talented songwriter with 1D to superstardom. He shouldn't be dead Harsh I'm not ashamed to say when charges were made & it made all the MSM I had a little cry. I thought yes justice is coming. Roger getting 15 years maybe then charges changed now he could walk. I despise that man. He had a major hand in killing Liam & he has to go to jail. Liam didn't fall. 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤ Liam.
Louis Tomlinson was out last night and he took some pics. His face says it all and is trying to be okay for everyone. Something still doesn’t set right.
@@Lma894no it doesn't, more people know what happened than what they are saying.
Oh my goodness roger blaming Geoff is pissing me off.I'm sick and tired of reading articles what a good person roger is
Estoy de acuerdo con usted
HE DID LOVE ♥
If he was such a nightmare how when Liam has been on the drugs and drink over the years how come he never behaved like that in other hotels
@@debipiddington9256The way they are talking about him just seems a lie.
No he didn’t he moved because there was too many fans there so he got an air b and b or went to gon house can’t remember order but that is just going with drugs narrative and him being a nightmare
Google has many satellites in space constantly taking images and possibly recorded video of earth. If they can zoom in down to any building and see humans outside any building (which they can), I would love to see images of outside the hotel at times of Liam’s movement to that patio. We would have so many answers to this case!
Interesting video she's put up there.. I'm just still believing the narrative that he was beaten up, I can't get passed it 😢
HNY from Australia, Harsh. I’m so glad I came across your channel recently, as I’m having trouble dealing with what has happened and it’s so frustrating! I take comfort in listening to you and your videos, being so invested in this tragedy also. Glad you are in the mend 😊
Thank you Jen, bless you 🫶🏻
The question the judge should be asking is "WHY DID HE NEED TO ESCAPE THE ROOM" ?? Because he was forced into it. Period. End of story
You have to keep in mind people with ADHD notice everything around them before anyone else does in a span of 1.5 seconds... I am sure he would have noticed he could get down to the bottom through those access ways. This is why I don't think he fell.
Very good point !
As a fellow ADHDer I agree with you!!
Yeah I have ADHD and I am always hyper aware of my surroundings.
Surely he would have had time in a few days to size that up. Still rather a distance away from his balcony noones mentioning all his injuries either. 🤔 I still think he was placed personally.
I’ve listened to your theory about the access ladder being a possible route for the persons involved to move Liam’s body to the courtyard, but I don’t think it would be easy/practical to move him this way. Possibly used the elevator and dragged/carried him through the restaurant (as it was closed). I like many people find this all very disturbing and so much corruption in Argentina, I really hope they get to the bottom of this case. Poor Liam! 😢No doubt we will never get the whole truth and I feel that there is a lot more than we will ever know. Someone is being protected and I’m guessing they are rich enough to make this ‘go away’! Too many lies being told. Liam’s family deserves to know why and how this happened to their son!
Liam could have however climbed down very easily… not having to climb down over the edge of the balcony
It’s been nothing but lies !, what’s up with the judge! Are they all bent,! Liams dad knew this was no accident as soon as he went in that hotel room, he knew who was behind this set up, Roger!!! Who are Roger’s friends the Henry’s, who couldn’t bear his little girl to suffer, daddy!!! Who has the money to pay Roger, hotel staff, Brett n co n Brian,, her daddy!!! Who knew they could get Roger off the hook, daddy!!! WHY did he, he’s a fllthy Rich lawyer!!! Money NO object, brilliant expertise! He didn’t get where he is today without!!!!!! Ooh this was preplanned, pre meditated!!! What I can’t understand is there are professionals that know this, that must have more clout than the Henry’s! WHY don’t they come forward!!! Liam was loved worldwide!!!
Roger should not get away with this!!! Liam, his family n worldwide fans deserve justice!!!
It’s finding people with money n more expertise than those behind this, if not will Roger walk!!!
Will Liam being killed account for nothing, The Payne Family know the truth!!! Does the TRUTH account for nothing? JUSTICE FOR LIAM , WE LOVE YOU LIAM, ROGER WAS NO FRIEND OF LIAM!!! HES A FRIEND OF THE HENRYS!!! PLEASE HELP THE TRUTH BE TOLD, THANK- YOU ♥♥♥
Surely with the amount of money Cheryl has plus 1D band members they collectively could pay for top detectives, lawyers anything that's needed. @@ritabrett7739
@@REALHARSH knowing about this new escape route changes things. Liam would have been well aware of it and may have wanted that room for this reason as well as Roger for other plans. Escaping by climbing over the balcony is now out of the question. Not surprised the Argentinian authorities never mention this and that the cctv is not being shown. This is huge.
That ladder would have also given staff access to plant the bag on the 2nd floor balcony.
Exactly!!
100%
@@wildheartxxx135 and given access to steal his watch
Yes true!!
I thought that too
TMZ is at it again saying basically that Liam was in control of what happened and no one was really responsible but him. I agree there is an agenda out there to bury this as a simple OD/accident. Keep digging Harsh!
Cannot bloody stand TMZ
TMZ are criminals!!
I’ve read so many comments under print articles where everyone is saying the same. That no one is responsible for his death but him. He was a grown man and didn’t need “babysitting “”That he made his own choices and everyone should stop trying to blame someone else. Really sad that people trash him without looking farther into what really happened, not that it would change their minds though.
Yup, injuries sustained don't add up.Liam was set up & placed there. Too many conflicting accounts. Even the hazy, doctored photos don't match with any of the accounts provided.
Liam was beaten and unalived in that hotel!!! His hotel room is staged too, I think Liam was attacked in the room!!!!
As soon as Liam arrived in that room, he would have assessed how to get out. It's a ADHD thing. They have to know all this to relax, so in my opinion, he knew exactly how to leave via balcony.
Happy New Year Harsh 🎉! I agree with you!!! I've always thought he was beating & thrown over .... He fell too far out if he fell at all!!! I feel he was placed in that courtyard!!! It's really fishy that the video of him falling dissapears 😢😢😢
Agree 💯
Happy New Year everyone! 🎊🎉. I believe Liam was beaten and placed where he was found. If he did go over the balcony, he wasn't alive when he did. IMO anyway.
It’s possible I’m not sure anymore it’s so confusing.
There wasn't a mark on his face, arms or body.....plus the TMZ documentary showed the glass balcony panel that had been fingerprinted....showing that Liam slid down off the balcony
@@CaroleEvans93436TMZ also aren’t investigators. My main concern is Rodger is going to get away with this.
@@Lma894 if he walks free by the law then I hope Geoff will take matter in own hands!!!
@@Lma894 Yes I’m afraid he will, I mean it’s his home country he’s famous there for starting his companies that made him wealthy. I’m sure he has a lawyer who knows the judge and money also talks!
If you are not invested in this case ,the comments I 've been reading from the Gp are discusting ..they absolutely fall for the tabloids BS that he was a junkie and he has him self to blame. Imo if there's CCTV cameras from the restaurant facing that way ,there should be photo ,otherwise they can't prove for certain he did fall
It’s not really falling for it if you have been around an addict you know it’s possible what their saying could be true.
@ oh I know trust me!! But people are just so quick to judge
Liam didnt jumped or fell,Liam was lured to Argentina to be murdered in that hotel!
His 25 injuries are NOT compatible with fall!!!!
Liam was beaten and unalived!!!!
I agree ☝️
Because he was already dead and I do believe they kept liams body over there all that time was done to stop his family from getting a second autopsy and also they embalmed him and when they do that they can't do an autopsy
Which that ladder is how Roger got back in his room without anybody knowing it!!
There was no ladder
I worked as a duty manager in a hotel in the uk, multiple walks, and checks 24 hours a day had to be completed , including the roof to the basement , we would walk every floor using fire entrance/exits so up one side to the roof then walk back down to the basement the other side, so in my experience management can access everywhere
They can access everywhere!!!
Wow that makes much more sense as why would he climb over a balcony 3 flights up when there was a ladder 🤷♀️
Thanks for sharing, so glad this information is getting out there. Hopefully the right people will see it and it’s investigated.
It’s a great point raised here. It offers Liam a very simple way off the balcony..pretty much risk free!
Why didn’t he use it
Exactly!
Agree i think solved how possibly bret watson who saw everythinh including nody fall. And hotel wrkers had acces to liams room killed in room smashing tv and his hesd. And took him to the ground like feet past his balcony makes no sense fall uncontrollably several feet to the left not striaght down under his balcony. Why have no cctv footage
Very cleverly spotted Suzan, also, if he had received injuries before "falling" this may explain why they did not call a doctor who would have seen them. Could Liam be trying to get out to safety, to a police station or to a doctor himself and been intercepted by the hotel staff?
I road the back of a rescue as an emt for 12 yrs and I'm telling you Liam did not fall and die. I have seen trauma that caused death that when a person's heart isn't beating there is no more blood flow. In the tmz pics there is very little blood around liams head indicates his heart was stopped before the apparent fall. If he was alive at the time of fall there would have seen a lot more blood around the head and further more if his head hit the cement base of the umbrella there would have been a head that looked like a smashed pumpkin. Not a perfect head and face like liam's did. Sorry to be so blunt but it needs to be said. It is so obvious he was dead before this apparent that it's almost ridiculous.
Thank you for speaking out. You only confirm what a lot of people have been speculating. There just wasn't enough blood for this kind of accident. They most likely placed Liam's body there AFTER he had already passed away, unfortunately. 😢
@kellymcgraw5041 thank you for sharing your insights. Nothing about this adds up at all!
@TartanGrrl absolutely they did. I seen a video that was circulating that looks like he was actually dragged out on patio by 2 people and the his body arranged on the patio floor. That is the restaurant that was cl8sed at that time that been reported. Fir their siesta. Also would coinside with what the fan said when she met Luam in lobby at approximately 2:00. He said to her he was going back up to his room to eat something and he would come back down after that and speak to them and sign autographs. This may also be why we seen footage of Liam on bottom floor looking for something from kitchen to get food cuz restaurant cl8sed. I mean this is almost a joke what they are trying to say what happened to him.
Just wait though now that a few of them are in custody maybe they will sing like birds to save their own skin. 🙏
If he did hit the tv, I would say it was a head hit, maybe he was thrown into it. Idk. Im pretty sure that pic has been proven false/staged, but just a thought. I definitely agree he was already dead before being on the ground, now we just gotta figure out what actually happened. He was very obviously murdered though. There's a short of Roger passing liam something in passing and like a pro. So I think Roger supplied him drugs.
Thank you for your comment. I absolutely trust your life experience. What you have said makes perfect sense. I believe Liam was dead before he was placed on the patio floor. As you pointed out, if he had been alive when his head hit the umbrella pedestal his head would have had massive damage that would have impacted his head and face. Thank you again.
He was perfectly fine when he was with his fans shortly before it ! His family need the truth and justice!!!
I don't buy the timeline either..when the 1st call was made & then second the greeting was 'good morning '. I believe Liam died hours B4 and the plan / actors etc put together. Roger had accomplices. Acting with Maya's family and direct beneficiaries are record label too. All had something to gain. Roger in debt and I believe Liam was his sacrifice to forgive debts & remain in with powerful connections.
I have a feeling his fans will riot if this doesn’t go well.
The statement in itself again implicates hotel: if Liam was trying to '"escape" over balcony, then why did they have the power to stop him from leaving his hotel room and hotel. Was he in prison in that hotel. Trust me if someone stopped me from leaving a hotel room, I'll be calling the police to state I'm being kidnapped sounds drastic but that is what I would do, but hang on he did not have his phone (one mins he did next mins he didn't) and could he use the hotel phone to even call 911. Honestly these statements just continue to implicate the hotel....SET UP COVER UP, IF YOU WANNA DO A CRIME AND DON'T WANNA DO THE TIME THEN ALL WELCOME IN ARGENTINA!!!
For me until Liam father's categorically states he has seen verified footage and it is crystal clear no AI/falsifying involved in developing that footage, then the balcony escape route is speculative but it could explain how his Rolex was stolen!!! This open's Pandora's box because this makes Liam's room more accessible to not only staff but hotel guests or anyone who had stayed at hotel before and knew where Liam was staying and could just walk into hotel!!!! And now we have to look at the guests staying at hotel particularly those who knew which room he was staying in but sounds like every one knew Liam's business. What a disgrace, this poor man had no privacy and the level of abuse/security breaches needs to be added to the charges!!!
Well said mateb
You made great points. I hope Geoff Payne doesn't stop the investigation until Liam gets justice!!!
Have you seen Suzanne’s video questioning how secure that hotel was? She’s seems to have done a better inspection of the hotel than the authorities! Her video shows a ladder that goes from the ground up the side of the building alongside hvac units that are adjacent to the balconies. Down the Rabbit Hole YT channel has also posted Suzanne ‘s analysis.
*Happy new year from Devon UK* 🎉 this case is so strange that you cant make it make sense😨
Happy New Year!! 🥳
That’s because their all lying darling ♥
I don't believe Liam was trying to escape ,why would he if he wanted out of the hotel he would just go out why would someone stop him .he only had trases of drugs and alcohol and he was interacting with fans in the lobby so he was aware what he was doing why would he climb on the balcony,and what a coincidence he fainted in that moment .Roger holds the key here.or he was facilitating drugs to Liam for some reason and know he is lieing he was fine,or he is scapegoat and the hotel are trying to set him up to clean themselves
Yes I have said since day one that he was beat and placed like he fell
this is awful!!!!! we need justice for Liam!!!! i am so sick of this!!! i'm missing Liam so much😭
Happy New Year everyone 😊. Let's all hope for a great New Year 😊😊
Happy New Year!! 🥳
Its the dam fire escape!! Well,well,well , doesn't that come in handy for the perpetrators! This is a vital piece of info Harsh!!!!
It’s certainly a game changer if Liam wanted to get down… he could have just climbed down the bloody ladder
@@REALHARSH also when they’re saying if no one was in his room, maybe they climbed up the ladder and was in his room when he got there so we don’t even know who could have been in the room waiting.
aj mne to napadlo.Liam si od fanúšičky len odbehol a už sa nevrátil.Možno keď vošiel do izby, niekto tam bol. Niekto,kto mohol po rebríku vojsť do izby .Vtedy ho dobili na smrť. V nahrávke, keď volali 911 je počuť v pozadí...pomôžte mi ho dvíhať, je ťažký. No mŕtve telo je ťažké 😢😢😢R I.P. Liam❤
How come there wasn’t anyone really in the hotel, anywhere else it would be mental…. He didn’t jump or fall….
LETS GET THE CAMERAS 📸 IN ON THE COURT CASE/S
Happy New Year Harsh and family!🎉.
I woke up to this video. Really nice!
I have thought he didn’t fall and this is an explanation! I know hotels well as I stay at least 3 nights a week and have for 35 years. (Don’t know this one but Susan’s theory is good). I wish anyone would actually look into anything. This is slow and ridiculous the entire process! 😂
WE ALL WANT TO "SEE"...?
SINCE THERE'S "NOTHING ELSE TO SEE"...?
For someone (Liam) well known for his balcony escapes he would 100% IMO know that he could escape through that gate and down those “ladders”
The D ring on that gate doesn’t appear to have a padlock!!
@@Kazzrivroo if Liam seen the doors and ladder he would have went down the ladder
I seen this the other day on another channel, she showed everything around the hotel!!! Wow 😲 of how people could of got inside Liam's room?without a key!
Hope the prosecution wins the appeal.
Thank you, this is very interesting and a valid theory, I am going to watch the video, but I already feel like this is the likely story!
Help me lift him was heard in the background on the first 911 calling for help not the police !!! Cut the call short then called back shortly after APPARENTLY!!!! Not sure if this was another fake statement or not !,, it seems everything I’ve read when I’ve gone back to find it & double check it’s nowhere to be seen . That statement was made by a Spanish reporter with subtitles but it’s vanished no doubt with the reporter too !!!!!
Rabbit down the hole has it on her vids, she also translated it from spanish to english
There is video judge saw to say what she saw.
But if Liam fell he’d fall straight down not down and out to where he was found!!
It makes no sense whatsoever!!!
I would say thrown
Or dumped!!
@lisagriffiths3146 Totally agree 👍🏼
Or just placed there
The amount of blood behind his head indicates he hit the deck with force, I will always believe he was thrown.
@@ForeverHomeItalyThat’s what I think.
@@Lma894 Do you think it is strange no fan photos or videos at Casa Sur? Just back of him or blurred CCTV? So many at the Hyatt which is a 5 star hotel with security and far from the street - why would an A lister like Liam go from there to a 4 star tourist hotel where people can walk straight in off the pavement? It makes no sense! Not ONE fan photo there, not even from the reported fan who said she spoke to him in the lobby. Why does no one else think that is glaringly obvious the reason why no photos is he was never staying there. Hyatt pics same outfit he was found dead in. I truly believe he was killed that night and they took him to casa sur and staged the entire scene to explain his death.
Happy New Year to you, your family and your subscribers from Malta.
All that stuff was placed where it was found!! If Liam was climbing down, and lost footing or whatever he’d have went straight down to end up where he was he’d have had to push off from the balcony!! And I agree he’d have known that ladder was there!! So he could have used the ladder!!
I read somewhere in one of the messages, a neighbour opposite the Hotel has the camera footage as they have a camera facing that side of the Hotel where the balconies are. So where is this footage??? Its vital that it is shown to the courts!
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Yes, I read the same thing but apparently the camera wasn’t working properly
@@AussieLivvytypical sadly
Sounds awful is the neighbour still alive or now been silenced or refuting they ever had such footage!!! No way I'm ever going to Argentina, a disgrace of a hotel and judicial system!!
Someone on the opposite side did post some video footage of two forensic investigators on the balcony with their torches later in the evening. Not sure if anyone captured the exact moment of Liam's fall though. 🤔
I have seen a reel which I deleted in error and now can’t find it now …saying that Brett Watson the alleged wedding guest works for a company called Edward Jones Investments as a portfolio manager and the company works on coservatorships..all part of the plan to get Control totally of Liam
Everyone could see he was lying the ……….
Happy new year Harsh…loving your lives even if I’m late…. He was a man but he was too nice and obliging….
I had seen this video over a week ago ago on the ‘only the brave’ channel. Great detective work! Could explain why Liam’s bottle of whiskey did not break which is what you would expect to happen if he fell from a height.
I said the same! It never made sense.
I only created an account and uploaded it on YT yesterday, but it’s my video from TT that I created and posted on there over a week ago. Could definitely explain the whiskey bottle… although that could’ve been planted when they were under the umbrellas
Was it a glass bottle?
@GlitteratiRiot. exactly!!
Because none of the “fall” happened it was all put there and staged INCLUDING Liam!!
So they have came in through the air conditioning bit where there is a ladder I’m quite sure Liam would have noticed that as an emergency way out the hotel without him being seen Liam wasn’t stupid
Did Liam try and use the fire escape instead of the balcony and as he was under the influence did he fall from the ladder it would make more sence where he ended up in the court yard. Im still not convived he was ever there. If he only had two days to wait for his visa why didnt he stay at his friends villa where he posted having breakfast with kate. He had the means to stay in the most luxurious hotels the Casa sur is right on the street offering no privacy the back of the hotel where the balcony is is overlooked from all sides and not one person has footage of him falling it doesn't make sence.
Good point ‼️ Liam was no Idiot!
Happy New Year! Looks like a fire escape to hotel. Also have you noticed that that bag has been depicted in multiple photos sometimes on the second floor balcony and some pics on the third floor balcony??? Setup??
Fed up reports stating he fell in an unconscious state , how the Fck do you move if ur unconscious! Unless ur a sleep walker .. Hold On - tomorrows news
Exactly 👍🏼
Happy New Year Harsh.
If LP was such a nightmare in the hotel why didn’t the hotel make him leave instead of dragging him to his room. If they had a video of him falling it would have been brought up in the court case and they would have said that they had undeniable proof of the fall.
I think you are spot on with the stairs/fire escape route outside on the balcony.
The MS media are not investigating enough, just copying whatever they are being told to say.
HNY Harsh! Agree with so many points you make…. Fans say he was never there, the wedding party all with phone cameras, not 1 single photo, CCTV - not working/working not showing anything useful. Photo of smashed up room debunked as 12 years old. Did his therapist discharge him, who knows? It would seem Liam was not in the best place mentally, he was drinking & he had binned going to rehab, and allegedly his therapist & Roger had told family that Liam was not good, but short of his dad coming & forcing him into a secure situation, what could have been done? At 31 he is a grown man & even if you are an addict unless you present with an immediate risk of harm to yourself or others the legal options are limited….very sad and what 10 weeks on & no closer to the truth - very very tragic 🙏🏼
@@sandytw5229 Exactly. There were 10 to 15 wedding guests in the lobby (according to Roger) - but only groom-to-be Bret Watson took a photo from behind (of Liam laying on the couch with the laptop). Some folks are saying that Liam doesn't even look like he's still alive in that photo - due to (what looks like) some red bruising around the eye area, and a heavy pixilated blacker area on the back of his head (trying to hide some bleeding perhaps?) Some have even pointed out there appears to be a wound on his knuckle above his tattoo. He is also not wearing his beloved Rolex watch or gold bracelet in the photo - despite wearing them for almost the entirety of rest of his time in Argentina.
@@TartanGrrl agreed, totally moody! It’s one ‘story’ from authorities after another & a shed load of theories!
I tend to side with the fans & what is missing - 15 people with Liam in the lobby, but no photos….
The fans saying he was never there & believed he was leaving Argentina…
I think it’s entirely possible Liam wandered off, got mugged or attacked for his watch alone, sadly he was naive to think he was safe in a 3rd world country, when infact he was a giant kidnap target/similar, no security, no manager, no record deal & g/f gone home….oh & struggling with several addictions,still tragic..
Thankyou so much for defending Liam's reputation.
We all know he didn't fall.
Highly likely he was murdered 😢
We all just want the truth
@@REALHARSH💯%
@@jacquelinehunt7794 Brian Harvey is also defending Liam's reputation.
Happy New Year to the Harsh family!! Wishing you a very happy healthy and prosperous new year ahead!!! My heart just breaks with this case. I pray that Liam’s family can try to find some peace with all of this. I can’t imagine what they are going through.
Liam seemed like a very observant person with his surroundings on his videos when showing his houses and places. He surely did see there is a ladder to get down. Also ignore the rude comments @REALHARSH most of us love what you are doing for LP. Thank you 😊
A friend who was olympic athlete and in university died falling from her balcony and was half this height or even lower.
Who is that?? No offense just curious 🤨😅😅
It was two days later after that his bag was found on balcony 1 floor below. No liam was smart and he would have seen the ladder.
He definitely would have seen the ladder!!☺️☺️
It's worth a thought but authorities won't look at this. Not sure if any theories/concerns can be passed on to Liam's family lawyers but would expect/hope for their own investigators to be looking at more than what we are being led to believe. It would have taken at least 2 people to carry him dowm the access stairs and this may have taken longer, it's a stretch but in this case any possible scenarios worth looking at!
Happy New year Harsh! Thank you for the great work that you are doing to help Laim family!
Happy new year!
We need a stunt man to re and act the seen and someone to stay in the hotel under cover to do some hidden stuff
****NOTICE*****
MY OPINION ONLY.
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CLOSEST TO LIAM PAYNE INNER CIRCLE AND SHORTLY AFTER THE CIRCLE SHOULD BE PUT IN A ROOM ALL TOGETHER AND SCRUTINIZED."PROFUSELY"
FIRST MAJOR GET.
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Who has ties to Liam Payne
I have my theories.
❤Great video harsh 👍
Yes Hopefully the truth would come out ♥
People who've watched this should definitely watch the video linked (there's also a "short" on that channel). I think it absolutely is on point. Great detective work done there and it needs to be seen.
100%
Šťastný a krajší Nový rok Vám všetkým. Buďte zdraví a spokojní. Harsh,ďakujeme za Tvojú skvelú prácu. Pozdrav so Slovenska❤
After I saw Liams Dad stand on the balcony I Googled how tall Liam was. He was 5'10. Of course with age his Dad might have been a bit shorter but Liams height would bring the ledge of the balcony at around his pelvic bone. There is no way he fell over & he if he did it would have been to the floor of the balcony. This is the 1st time I am hearing about the ladder. Wishing Harsh & family a Happy and Healthy 2025 and to everyone here.
If he just fell over, he would surely have landed on top of the metal and glass trellis roofing that covers the seating and chair area directly below the balconies? But somehow he missed that area entirely - even though he was supposedly unconscious during the fall - due to the lack of any defensive wounds on his body.
If you fall out windows etc you fall straight down
It was a balcony
Liam didnt fell, he was murdered there!!!!!!
@KarenFleming-f4t Liam was supposedly unconscious when he fell - due to the lack of any defensive wounds on his body. He would have fallen directly downwards onto the metal and glass trellis roofing that covers the seating and table area below. But somehow he missed all of that.
100% your correct!!
@@wildheartxxx135 exactly
R I P ❤ LIAM PAYNE 🙏
LIAM PAYNE - WAS NOT - JUST ... A "JOE BLOGGS"...
COME ON PEOPLE!!!!
HE WAS A "STAR"✨
A POP STAR ✨
BECAUSE HE "EARNED"... HIS FORTUNE AND FAME!!!
HE WAS ... "TALENTED"...
WITH AN AMAZING VOICE!
PEOPLE SHOULD STOP DESTROYING HIS REPUTATION AND SPEAKING ILL OF A DEAD MAN!
AND BE HONEST ... AND FIND OUT THE TRUTH FOR THIS MAN 👞👞 WHO WALKS NO MORE!
SINGS NO MORE!
IS NO MORE!
HIS FAMILY DESERVES THE "TRUTH"... ❤
FOR THEIR BELOVED SON -
LIAM PAYNE! 🙏
HOWEVER PAINFUL!
The more you show us Harsh, the more I believe it was" foul play" 😥😥😥🏴
It was indeed foul play!!
@@wildheartxxx135indeed!!
WOW... That's huge! Makes so much sense. Yea we still dont know whar exactly happened YET.
Good Morning, nice to see you feeling better..Happy New Year. Every day there is something new about Liam..everything is very complicated..however I don't think Liam jumped off the balcony by himself...absolutely
BEEN WIITH YOU A VERY LONG HARSHMELLOW AND I TRUST EVERYTHING YOU BRING US. TY FOR THAT. HAPPY NEW YR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ❤❤
POOR LIAM, JUST MAKES ME SICK 😢
Liam would have checked out his room and balcony when he first got the room he would know if he could get down it safely or not Liam wasn’t stupid he’s an iteligant lad
I've been thinking about this a lot...they say he tried to go down the balcony and fell unconscious! BUT how did he manage to get his brown bag in the middle of the second floor balcony if he fell?? How did he scale the balcony, throw his bag or whatever and then fall? doesn't make sense because you need two hands and one hand would be needed for the bag
Happy new year very best wishes harsh, family and all viewers/and subscribers ! Thanks to harsh for fantastic channel, am now avid fan of yours, so glad I found it, keep up your superb, dedicated work, research and excellent complilations. Takecare, Di. (Greater Manchester area.). UK. Xxx
Happy New Year!! 🥳
Happy New Year.🎉Just to paint the full picture (as Liam seemed to go 0 to 90 from arrival in Arg to death & especially on the 16th) where was Liam between leaving the Hyatt & going to stay at the Polo farm on the weekend before he died. 1 report cited an Airbnb but where and more importantly with who? met who? (KC still in Arg at that time)
Wasn’t there a female journalist in Argentina that claimed to have seeing a video of Liam fainting off the balcony? I hate how they’re trying to throw multiple scenarios to see what sticks.
Also, Where's the female wedding planner that hotel witness Bret Watson claimed to have seen Liam fall from his hotel room? That story has now apparently changed to Bret being the one to have seen the body fall. But before it was both of them looking out of the window together.
A wedding planner and a man getting married were inside hotel looking out at courtyard. She saw a falling person and both heard sound or both saw. These persons were in total shock and if you imagine how fast and literal seconds this was. There is in Spanish her telling what she saw. It seemed at first interview at hotel after it happened he stated she told him she saw him fall past window and they heard it then he seemingly changed that she told him she saw it and said they saw it. I don't doubt they were there and it was fast and shocking and apparently they are traumatized.
Separately there is CCTV footage of Liam stumbling on balcony very intoxicated as had been in lobby trying to get down and he falls. They have all that footage and judge used it in her ruling and worded her words from analyzing that footage. My understanding is since TMZ was blasted for photos that when they had the footage it was stated it will never be released and is under lock and key. That was backlash but many stated don't release it and there is a child involved here remember.
@@SimplyShazelle I remember when it was first claimed that the CCTV wasn't working for around an hour during the time leading up to and around Liam's supposed fall. Then all of a sudden they begin to release some very blurry still shots, nearly always of the back of Liam's head. No offence, but that guy could literally be anyone. That might even be a paid lookalike actor/ or a member of their own staff that's just walking around pretending to be Liam. Why aren't they releasing the actual CCTV footage that shows Liam walking around by himself - and interacting with everyone? Showing real movement. Roger Nores claimed there were up to 10 or 15 wedding guests in the lobby talking with Liam, so where are they? Why does TMZ only focus on Bret Watson? Where's all of the other witness statements? Whatever happened to the fan "Rebecca" that was supposedly in the lobby taking photos? Where's Doug Jones that heard the "loud violent scream." Where's the wedding planner? Or the bride-to-be?
Exactly no images a cover up still feel Liam was planted there .. if there is evidence it needs present asap to court. You sound a tad better
What I keep wondering did the police take any fingerprints and compare the DNA on the drugs paraphernalia? Never read anything about matching fingerprints unless details being kept schtum...as everything else, we haven't seen much proof/evidence here
TMZ did that and they aren’t investigators.
I hope you and your family have a year filled with more blessings than you would ever exept! Happy New Year Harsh! Thanks for all you do and your coverage of this case! This case is just not sitting well with me still. I pray the entire truth is revealed!!
All the best for 2025 to you and your family let's hope his family find some tiny piece of hope at least and the strength to keep going to find justice for their son and the strength as grandparents I've just returned from seeing my grandchild and daughter God only knows what they are going through I'm sure grateful for the love in my life let us all be grateful for today and show kindness to others
If he still had security they wouldn’t let him stay in that room with the lack of balcony security (ladder, no locks on gates)
Roger apparently convinced Liam to sack all his previous staff and he put security in place. The security guard went back with Kate leaving Liam was alone
Also & if indeed so: It's 100% Shocking as to why wasn't there any personal/private security personnel provided to Liam by e.g. His Record Label Company or even Liam employing His very own/private security personnel even if it was just 1 Consistent & Constant Bodyguard that was specifically designated to Him/Liam (even more so since He/Liam was visiting a foreign country to Him, etc.) including of course while He was staying at any hotels along with any other accommodations in Argentina in October 2024...Wondering: did He ever have any personal/private security personnel with Him at any point in Argentina in October 2024?
@@janebeesley5766Who told you that???? Kate filmed herself leaving and when she was on the plane back to Florida. Kate didn't need a Bodyguard. Liam needed a Bodyguard!
Liam Payne was rich and he easily could have paid 2 Bodyguards to stay with him.
Happy new year to everyone ❤
Nothing makes sense!
Mmm It would of been more probable that they launched him, as to make it look more like he fell himself! Just in case if CCTV etc would cover them! As for Liam going down the ladders, i think he was so clued up with escaping from balconies in the past! I believe he was launched off to his death 😢
They unalived him and staged the room!!!!
Why was their six people under the umbrellas before the emergency people came and they was in black suits one was pulling which looks like a person on the ground the video is out their and I can't say which looks like a person it does you see the head face up and the arms being pulled along the ground by one of the men in the black suits
Have you seen the same video but closer up when you can hear people talking? Clear as day you hear “ow man ow” people are saying this is Liam then you hear a noise which is they are saying him being hit. I was sure he was murdered at gon and placed there but that has confused me. Like when Ann heche was killed seen sat up then suddenly she was gone. People say can see him sat up I can’t but I can hear the voice
I saw the video, and I think the same!!!!!