Fake silver and 4 non-intrusive tests to verify your stack
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- These are four non-intrusive tests you can do with your silver to verify authenticity before you buy, and if needed when trying to sell or barter in the future.
1) Ring Test
2) Weight Test
3) Magnet Test
4) Fisch Coin Balance Test
A video that's to the point and actually learned something. Thank you!
Ozzie Smith
2 tips:
You can do the "Ring" "Ping" test by tapping with the end of a plastic pen (so you don't bang up and ding 2 coins in the process. (Ping test is also not 100% conclusive)
A .999 Copper Slug will yield Similar Magnet test results, but move only slightly faster than silver, but the weight is lighter by approx 10%
As a side note while talking about ring, Good bells like you find in fine installations like major churches or other high end places, The bells in these places often had a certain amount of silver in the metal when cast into the bell. . This improves the tonal quality of the bell.
try the specific gravity test. pure silver has a density of 10.49 so any reading between 10.4 and 10.6 is pure silver. its fool proof and non intrusive. there are many videos on this to see how its done.
What if someone else is in the bathroom when you go to fill your container with water. Then the spesific gravity test is very intrusive.
Great job! Thank you for taking the time to educate us.
Nice, good info ......remember too heavy is not good either and should cause suspicion.
Thank you so much for making this short sweet and to the point.
Wow, a video with useful information for a change. Slow start. If you are in a hurry start at 3 minutes.
Very good video, very informative. I've never run across any fake silver (YET)
You're lucky
Careful with those magnets, they can scratch your bullion/coins. Try putting a piece of cloth or felt ontop of the coin/round first.
the Fisch is a nice idea, but the price is ridiculous. I would be embarrassed to take it out and use it to verify a coin during a transaction. Just get a scale and caliper for a fraction of the cost.
Water displacement test , meaning what is the specific gravity the metal is in water. Check it out.
Yes. And it will also work with the coin dealears mug of coffee.
Specific gravity test....all silver has the same specific gravity regardless of weight. The test is easy to do if you have the scale.
Ice test is good. You can tell immediately! It melts so fast, amazing!
I just purchased an earth magnet (after a 'too good to be true' purchase), and I have a nice sized scale, I've had a caliper for years. This is a great way to learn your silver proactively
Thank you just started saving silver. And I already screwed up. A bought lesson is a remembered lesson.
$169 for each of the Fisch units is obscene. There is a $24 gold coin balance that does all the popular gold coins. Hope they do a silver one soon. BTW the magnet from a used electric tooth brush will work for the magnetic test.
Scale and calipers will do it for many more coin types. Cheaper and more accurate, too. Only need to have notes on weights and dimensions, plus spare batteries.
another science way is to determine the volume by putting it in water then weigh it and check it against the atomic weight of silver per cubic centimetre. it may seem complicated but if you have an accurate measuring beaker this way is actually very easy to do with zero damage and leads you to the next test if the numbers are out.
That ring on the real silver registered as an "A" note on my pitch pipe.
I got a G# on my guitar tuner, and a fake made no note!
Just what I needed :) Bought a couple of different years off ebay for a range of prices. Figured a few fakes and this was the best video along with a couple of others I've determined a couple to be real, San Fran 1888 and a 1935 Peace!
Aluminum has a slow move with neodymium magnets. So does silver and copper. Nickel does not. Gold does not. Steel will stick to it. But the slowness is based on silver content. Your one coin did have some resistance. But not enough silver content. It’s based off of Lenz’s law
The rare earth magnet test is nonconclusive in thick silver plated coins.
Good presentation learned a lot
Good point, on being able to prove your Ag, when selling, to a potential buyer.
I, too, would not be tapping my coins together. As others have noted, if you live in North America, get a Pocket Pinger. I live in New Zealand, & they are just too costly, to procure, so I designed, & 3D printed one. but you do not need to go to that level. As you balanced the coin, on your finger, you could also use a carpenter's pencil, or small piece of hardwood, to tap against the edge.
I typed this out, then saw this video's age. Only just appeared on my RUclips sidebar. Not sure why, it hasn't appeared prior. There you go...
Like these tests, but not a real fan of the acid test for the simple reason of possibly destroying a good coin
Why did you not test the Reagan coin?
Am I the only one who wished he did the tests on the "Ronald Reagan" just cause he could!?! Ah well...great video.
Cheers!
PS follow up vid with the "commemorative"??
No pressure 😉
what about a simple measurement using a pair of calipers?
magnetic silver tester slide is great for 1 to 2oz silver coins
The Fisch is great, but it's absurdly expensive. I mean truly a joke. I'll just make my own.
There is alot of physics and mathematics going into that product
@@truthoverfalsehood__8757 No, there isn't.
1. Get three inch long piece of plastic or wood for making tiny teeter-totter.
2. Use Dremmel tool the make slot just wide and tall enough for a SE to pass through.
3. Glue small fishing weight to one end of teeter-totter.
4. Draw circle around SE at other end of teeter-totter.
5. Determine balance point near center of teeter-totter, while a SE is in the circle.
6. Glue a small dowel under the teeter-totter at the center point.
The End.
Scale and calipers will be better. Cheaper and can be used for nearly all coins. Just need the specs of the coins, and spare batteries.
That coin should ring for a long time
What if your genuine silver eagle is a fake with lead? Also, isn't there an instrument that measures silver or gold content. I can't think of the name, but one I saw was about $600
Excellent. Thanks for sharing.
Good video. I skipped thru the beginning to get to the meat. The "balance test" is superfluous if you have an accurate scale. Also, with a scale, you can test U.S. and other circulated Coins, because each denomination is supposed to have an exact weight. WHEN (not "IF") Silver becomes more valuable than Gold, even dimes will be counterfeited. Gold has very few industrial uses. Silver has more industrial applications than any other commodity except petroleum.
Scale and calipers are a better set of tools than that piece of plastic. Why blow $150-$250 for something that only works for one coin type? A scale and calipers can be applied to nearly all coins, and will be cheaper and more accurate, too.
Ice test is another one.
Have never heard of the fish test before! Great vid. Where can you get a good scale and earth magnet?!
I would have liked to have seen you put the genuine overweight American silver eagle on the fish test to see if it balanced
He did. He did the balance test with the ASE and faux Panda. He didn't try the Reagan commemorative proof.
You should cover the ice test
First I heard of the fish test. Great idea. I saw a demonstration that ice melted faster on real silver than fake check it out. Lay it on a metal or granite table put ice on top silver will melt way faster
Where may I purchase one of these testing devices, please?
That's why they called em "clinkers"!👍✌️☮️🇺🇸
The fake coin appears to be magnet neutral not "diamagnet."
Where can one get a fish coin balance tester
Tell me how a panda is supposed to work in an ASE Fisch? No way as far as I know
I ordered my scale online from Old Will Knot Scales. It is the My Weigh PointScale 500, with a 500 gram (17 troy ounce) capacity for about $30. I got the rare earth magnet from ebay, purchased from user: 2010silverbug.
sorry Sir for my assumption, but as far as I am concerned, one of the best way to tell fake from not fake silvers is to test with magnet. Thats ok. However fake silver usually has some or much iron content thus strong Nd magnet will attract it to an extent that it will jump on it and stay on it hard whereas real silver coin will not stick at all. What do you say?
How about doing an x-ray. Would that reveal and ununiform density?
x-ray is a good idea and would show if there is a slug inside with an outer layer of silver. I wonder how many silver coin fakes use the slug method. Seems like that would be an expensive way to create counterfeits and be more common with gold coins.
There is a free phone app that will analyse the ping test. Theres also a Sigma precious metal analyser, but it costs $800. Also your LCS can verify through a spectrometer that cost them a few thousand bucks. Also RUclips search... Silver specific gravity.
Ring test doesn't work on .9999 coins like the Canadian Maple Leaf. There's a touch of alloy in the Silver Eagle that makes it ring like other .999 Silver coins.
Fantastic video and thanks for making it!
That's where the phrase" clinker " comes from
What about for bars?
The Panda was a dead giveaway.
That Fisch test runs $150-$200? It's like $0.25 worth of plastic.
Cheaper and better to get a scale and calipers. Works for most coins.
silver will melt ice too
Nice video bro, muchas gracias
Thank you for those tests but I do have a veneer gauge and a caliper to test its thickness I'm just wondering where I could get the rare earth magnets
You can get the magnets out of old hard drives
@@diesfastest6667 thank you
Np man,they are pretty powerful magnets.....my buddy who builds pcs told me about how to get em
@@robertedwards6326 Lowes, walmart,ect
@@paulwhitus3456 thank you very much Paul
I'm 7 years late but anyway :)
1stly Very good video;
2ndly The fake panda was actually a really poor falsification; there are fake coins that are much more similar to the original, especially in terms of weight;
3rdly I always do the first 3 tests and I think they are quite conclusive. But with that balance thing, if the fake coin passed the 4 tests, it would be a state-of-the-art forgery.
Me, I only have 1 coin which makes me doubt and it's an armenian Noah's ark 1/2 oz from 2010 that I won on eBay a couple of years ago and paid under spot for it. It weights15.51 grams (should be 15,533 but I think it's fine). It's non magnetic, the magnet doesn't run too fast but the coin is too small to know. And the test that makes me doubt is the "ping". It sounds, but for very short time... I'd like to have an original one to compare them but I'm not buying that same coin again, too much premium.
1 ozt = 31.1034768 g
0.5 ozt = 15.5517384 g
15.51/15.5517384 = 0.9973, or under by 0.2684%. Within tolerance.
I have a fake american eagle silver coin if you'd like 1 to help with ur testing and showing ppl the difference
Great video. Thanks
there is another free test, the tissue paper test
Interestingly enough, when I use my thumb to flip the silver coins I got from apmex, they dont make a metallic sound for long, even while still in the air, yet they are certainly silver. BUt the solid copper coin I have, when I flip it, it chimes the whole way up and down until I catch it again. O>o
I have a 1995 silver eagle that weight 31.5g too🤔i thinked it was a fake one but all the details were okay...now i know that it is genuine😥😂
Don't they weigh more because they have copper mixed in? It's my understanding they have an oz of silver and a touch of copper for strength
There is some variables in weight if its above 31.7 it's fake
Thanks for informative video
hello where can i buy that equipment i'm just started to collect coin can you give me the link. i just subscribed your channel.
amazon, Lowes, Walmart
very good and informative thank you!!
Some 1 can hollow the silver and put non silver weight inside
Nayan Mipun Is that cost effective?
Thank you
Excellent
we learn about this video
Very good video. Thanks
you forgot to ring the reagan
and magnet
I have purchased Silver coins fromSD Bullion AND JM BULLION and the sound test did not pass also I’m afraid it’s not real 99.9 pure silver! I would not recommend SD BULLION NOR JM BULLION
"The next paradigm" lol
Good stuff.
thanks
Where do you buy the fish test
A scale and calipers are better, cheaper, and more flexible.
there is a free app to test eagles for the ring test.. i've tried it with eagles and other silver rounds and it works great picking out the real eagle.. The app is called.. bullion test free
The free ap checks eagles krugerands and buffalos. There is also a pay app with more coins
Dude thanks so much for the recommendation, the free version even worked with my australian .9999 kangeroos 2016 , eventhough the test was designed for the eagle. May God guide or destroy all scammers , amen.
That piece of plastic cost 200 250 . Money better spent on more Eagles . Good video nonetheless , helping people not getting ripped off is the right thing to do .
A scale and calipers are cheaper, more accurate, and can be used to check many other coin types.
The scale is better than the plastic balance, and can give a value for which you can check if the coin is within tolerance.
Calipers can measure the diameter and thickness of many types of coins.
All you need is the specs of the coins. For example, the ASE is 31.103 g (1 ozt), 40.6 in diameter, and 2.98 mm thick.
Real pandas aren't a full ounce anyway, they are only 30 grams.
There are a few variations between the 1-ozt coins. The 1st ones were 1 ozt (31.103 g), but made in 90% Ag. It then changed to 92.5% Ag (sterling), and then 99.9% Ag. Later, the weight dropped to 30 g.
The diameter is 40 mm, and thickness is 2.98 mm. [The ASE is 40.6 mm and 2.98 mm.]
$ 169.00 for that piece of plastic?
Better to buy a scale and calipers. Cheaper, more accurate, and more flexible (can be used for nearly all coins). Just need the specs and spare batteries.
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NOTE. not all coins sound the same. Some may have longer pitch sounds then other.
I cant ever get the ring test to work even with silver I know for a fact is real
Specific gravity test is an easy fast free way to check.
Its probably because your fingers are damping out the vibration. Try tossing the coin with a coin flip and listening while it is in the air.
Great info, thanks!
Yeah, nice video. Thanks ;)
Try an ice cube. Melt test
There is nothing wrong with making money son.
Where can we get a little black fish scale at the river bank LoL 😜 no really where
if you put a piece of ice on it real silver should make it melt almost immediatly
An interesting point: a lot of REAL Chinese coins will be underweight. They get a little bit more free this way. It might still be real silver but underweight.
Silver Pandas changed over the mintage history. Originally 1 ozt (31.103 g), but fineness went from 90% to 92.5%, and then 99.9%. Weight then dropped to 30 g.
Not too shocking that the chinese coin is the fake.
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Where are the links to buy these cool measurement devices??
amazon
Thank you