I love those EC2'S. I can hear every beautiful note and the sustain is perfect. You need different cymbals. The ones you have are the reason I the heads aren't being complimented
That doesn't make any sense. I'm just gonna say it. That was stupid. I didnt like The EC2's, they didn't produce the sound i was looking for. My cymbals are great, especially for what I can afford, also cymbal quality has nothing to do with drum head quality or like. That was a stupid comment
Gearhead Drummer you’re an asshole and you suck at drumming. He’s right. You have the absolute shittiest cymbals there are. I would’ve been nice and said those are beginner cymbals, but you’re a douchebag. Someone was trying to give you a tip. Btw, Google ‘dynamics’.
@@AndrewHershelChannel Your cymbals are not great dude, I have entry level cymbals and they sound like crap but I'm slowly getting better ones. Don't worry about drumheads yet, get other cymbals for that money
It’s all matter of opinion really. I bought a DW design series kit and it came with single ply remos on the batter and reso. I was DYING to replace the batter heads for the EC2’s or any other 2 ply head for that matter. Man what a difference that makes! But 2 ply for 2 ply, clear for clear doesn’t really make that much of a difference for me. Clear vs powder coat definitely has much more of an argument because there are notable differences in the two. I did eventually put ec2’s on it and it sounds amazing
Good drumming young man! I've been playing for years but have not had a rehearsal space for over 20 years. Really sucks since I'm 48 now but getting a new house this year. Going to build a garage with a drum riser in it so my 2 sons can play on my kit to see if they would like it. Tight snare. I too was a little luke warm towards my EC2 heads. I have a big ole Bonham kit and preferred the Black Chrome and the G1 clear heads. Getting ready to reskin my kit since I got another gig. Snare is getting a simple G1 coated Batter head on it. I think I like the heads better than the cymbals. Not trying to nasty or anything. Everyone's preference is different. I'm a Paiste guy. When i played Zildjian I used mostly K Dark Crashes with a Briliant finish. For the 10 extra bucks I got a better finish and nicer sound for my ears. I've yet to find any ppl meinl that I really like but again, that's my opinion. Best of luck on your new head selection.
If you watch the "new drumheads" video youll see what heads I got. Hint, they're red. As to why I got rid of them, I took my drumset traveling with my drumline in high school. I was forced to use those drum heads, it was not a choice, and I am not a fan of the EC2's. I just do not like the tone or sustain. Being a metal drummer, i like shorter sustain with a deep tone, and that is not what the EC2's are
NICE VIDEO SIR. GREAT DRUMMING. YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CONTROL. I CREDIT YOUR DRUM TEACHERS, AND YOUR DEDICATION TO PRACTICE. LOL. I SUGGEST THAT EVERY DRUMMER JOIN A MARCHING BAND DRUM LINE. I PLAYED IN ONE FOR 2 YRS AND TAUGHT AT MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL FOR OVER 10 YRS. I TAUGHT AT 2 OTHER LOCAL AREA HIGH SCHOOLS. A VERY REWARDING JOB FOR ME, AND HOPEFULLY FOR THE STUDENTS. I AM CONSIDERING DOING IT AGAIN VERY NEAR FUTURE. I LOVE PDP DRUMS. I DONT CARE FOR THE DWS, BUT THEIR PDPS SOUND NICE WITH THOSE AWESOME HEADS. I HAVE BEEN DRUMMING FOR 30 YRS. MY WHOLE LIFE, WELL, SINCE I WAS 5. I AM 40 YRS OLD. YIPPEE.....LOL. I HAD MINOR HEALTH ISSUES THAT HAS PREVENTED ME FROM PLAYING IN MY PRACTICE SPACE, AND ALSO FROM AUDITIONING FOR SOME AWESOME ROCK BANDS. FOR THE PAST YEAR. I LOOK FRWD TO TAKING CARE OF A FEW MINOR HEALTH ISSUES, AND START GETTING THE GROOVE JUICES FLOWING AGAIN, AND THE CHOPS AND CALLUSES IN THE MIXING BOWLS TO CREATE AN AWESOME PLATTER OF MELODIES TO OUR EARS, AND MY NEIGHBORS,LOL. I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A PDP KIT. I FOUND TWO - SEVEN PIECE PDP, BEAUTIFUL DRUM SETS, [ RED CHERRY SPARKLE / GRAY SPARKLE.]. THESE 2 SETS WERE AT GUITAR CENTER 10 YRS AGO, FOR 1000.00 EACH, JUST SHELL PACKS. MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL GET A HUGE PDP KIT. THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET PLAYS DRUMS. HE IS JUST BASIC. HE DOESNT PRACTICE ON ANY REGULAR BASIS, AND HE NEVER OPENS UP TO LEARN NEW, DIFFERENT STYLES, AND IS TERRIBLE AT HIS CONTROL AND TECHNIQUE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE GIVEN HIM MANY, MANY LESSONS, AND PRACTICE SHEETS TO TAKE ACROSS THE STREET TO PRACTICE, HE DIDNT PRACTICE THE MATERIAL I GAVE HIM, CAUSE HE CANT READ MUSIC. EVEN AFTER I TAUGHT HIM, SCREAMED AT HIM, BEAT HIS ASS, LOL. KIDDING ON THAT ONE., LOL, AT HIM, I SHOWED HIM HOW TO COUNT AND PLAY THE MUSIC CAUSE THE MUSIC EXERCISES IS CALLED 'COUNTING AND PLAYING'. FOR THE 25 YRS THAT I HAVE KNOWN HIM, HE REALLY NEVER IMPROVED. HE IS 10 YRS OLDER THAN ME. HE HAS BEEN IN MANY BANDS IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS, BUT HE CANT KEEP THE BEAT. HE HAS DECENT GEAR. LOL . HE HAS BEEN PLAYING IN A BEETLES TRIBUTE BAND FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD. HE LAYS DOWN THE BEATS, BUT SORTA LOSES TIME. I NEVER LIKED THE BEATLES UNTIL I HEARD HIS BAND, AND MY RESPECT FOR RINGO WAS 100 PERCENT . SOME THINGS I COULDNT DO, AND NEEDED HELP ON,LOL. AND I PLAY 'RUSH'.LMAO. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOLLOW RINGO. I JUST NEVER HAD THE DRIVE OR DESIRE TO PLAY BEATLES MUSIC. OH WELL. THE GUY NEXT TO ME BUILDS LOUD CARS, TRUCKS, AND MOTORCYCLES. HE IS AWESOME, BUT IT IS LOUD . SO, HE CANT COMPLAIN. BUT, HE IS A BIKER, AND THOISE BIKERS LOVE MUSIC. LOL. HE DOESNT COMPLAIN. HE LIKES MY DRUMS.LOL. I HAVE A HUGE, AWESOME 15 PIECE 'RED FURY' LUDWIG 'ROCKER' KIT FROM 1989. I ELIMINATED A BASS DRUM YRS LATER, TO MAKE ROOM FOR OTHER TOYS, AND GADGETS TO HIT, I MEAN TO PLAY,LOL. I ALSO ELIMINATED THE 3 ROTO TOMS, AND NOW USE IT AS AN 11 PIECE, AND ITS FUN. I MADE 2 BIG TOM TOMS 15 AND 16 INCH INTO FLOOR TOMS, SO WITH THE 18 INCH FLOOR TOM, I HAVE 2 ON MY RIGHT SIDE, AND ONE FLOOR TOM ON MY LEFT SIDE. I WISH I HAD A 20 INCH FLOOR TOM. THEY DIDNT MAKE IT BACK THEN, BUT SINCE THEY MADE MY KIT FROM SCRATCH, I COULD HAVE TRIED TO GET ONE MADE THEN. AND I NEVER SEE ANY ON E BAY. IT HAS BEEN AWHILE SINCE I LOOKED. I HAD TO BUY A 6 INCH CLASSIC TOM AND A 15 INCH CLASSIC TOM, AND FOR THAT REASON THEY HAD TO TURN AROUND EACH TOM, AND PUT THE BADGES ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE EACH TOM WAS BEING TURNED AROUND WITH THE SIZE ADDITIONS. LOL. I WAS USING TOP HEADS ONLY, THEN WHEN I COULD AFFORD MORE HEADS, I PUT BOTTOM ONES ON, ALL REMO. FOR MANY YRS. CLEAR, , BUT I FIRST USED THE LUDWIG HEADS THAT CAME WITH THE KIT. CLEAR , SILVER DOT. THEN I WAS USING WHITE COATED TOP, STRIDER HEADS. THEN I USED REMO, THEN I HAVE BEEN USING CLEAR, THEN COATED 'ATTACK' HEADS WHICH MADE MY KIT POUND. I LOVE THEM HEADS. I AM NOW LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE EVANS EC2 CLEARS TOP , AND EVANS CLEAR RESONANT ON BOTTOM. I THINK THEY WILL PRODUCE AMAZING SOUNDS OUT OF ALL THOSE DRUMS, ON BOTH KITS. WHEN I STARTED USING TOPS/ BOTTOMS HEADS, AND I MADE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THINGS, MY WHOLE TECHNIQUES CHANGED FOR WHAT I WAS PURPOSELY TRYING TO DO. FROM THE TUNING TO THE POSITIONS, AND THE NEW LOOK, MADE ME A BETTER DRUMMER. ABOUT 15 YRS AGO I BOUGHT PART OF AN 8 PIECE MAPEX DRUM KIT FOR A CHURCH BAND WHO I WAS PLAYING WITH ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AND OTHER EVENTS LIKE FESTIVALS, ETC,ETC... IT IS VERY NICE. IT IS CALLED AN M - BIRCH , BLK FORREST SAPPHIRE. I ALWAYS WANTED A MAPEX KIT, ONLY AFTER SEEING THEM BEING ADVERTISED. I LIKED THE HARDWARE, AND THE TOUGHNESS THEY DISPLAYED ON THE WAY THEY ARE MADE. AFTER I QUIT THE CHURCH, I TOOK 3 TOMS AND A FEW STANDS HOME, AND LEFT THE REST AT THE CHURCH. I LEFT THEM WITH A NORMSL 5 PIECE KIT THAT IS SOLD AS A JAZZ SET UP. I THEN BOUGHT A 5 PIECE KIT, AND THEN SOME ADD ONS, AND SOME SAME SIZED TOMS, AND I MADE IT AN 11 PIECE KIT. IT IS CALLED THE M- BIRCH. THOSE ATTACK HEADS SOUND VERY NICE ON IT. THE EVANS WILL HOPEFULLY BE BETTER. I FOUND A MAPEX BIRCH FLOOR TOM A FEW YRS AGO FOR A FANTASTIC PRICE, AND I BOUGHT IT. IT IS A SAPPHIRE 20 INCH FLOOR TOM. IT DONT HAVE THE BLK FADE AWAY COLOR ON THE BOTTOM, BUT WHO CARES. THE TOP AND MIDDLE LOOK THE SAME AS MY KIT, AND I THINK THE TOM WAS LIKE 35 BUCKS.LOL. I HAD TO BUY IT, COZ I WANTED IT .LOL. I HAVE A COOL 'ROLAND' 11 piece v- drum electronic kit with a td 8 brain. the drums are white pads, with small blk pads and 2 huge blk pads all for cymbals, etc. its an awesome kit to play. its very loud.lol. i love it. your cymbals sound decent. do you like playing on cheaper cymbals? i could make this a long story to tell about the 200 or more cymbals that i have but i won't. i use to play, zildjian - a- series for years. i put them away because iafter buying wuhan china's, once i found out that wuhan makes every other type of cymbal, i bought as many as i could, and played them, until i started to collect them once the 's' series, and old traditional went out of style. i bought every cymbal wuhan ever made. i then bought the new traditional wuhan cymbals. i bought so many, i started playing one set, and collecting a whole new other set of the new traditional style. lol. they are cheap to buy, but sound excellent. i would never play zildjina again. my wuhans sound better than many of my zildjians. i have a great collection, but i want to start selling them. try them out my friend. buy a 4 piece set w/ bag, and add some china's. i have triple of the china's, and so many other ones that are doubles. i have like 21 zildjian rides, and 24 wuhan rides. try them out. if you break them, or dont like them, you didn't really break your bank acct. let me know what you think. the old 's' series and old traditionals sound very nice. the 's' are a little heavier sounding. they have the hand - hammered look. hey thanks for letting me tell my story. im sorry if its a tad to long, but i hope that it helps others someway, some how, and some time. i have been blessed with my gear, and i hope others will be blessed as well. just work hard and stay positive. have fun with it. coz once the fun is gone, forget it. get rid of them and play the trumpet,or piano, lol. have a MERRY CHRISTMAS, AND GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU BUDDY, AND I HOPE YOU ARE STILL PLAYING THE 'BOOM BOOMS'.
What kind of Tom Heads did you end up getting? I keep switching between the EC2s Clear and Evans G2 coated heads. I think the EC2s deliver a Dooooo, Dooooo sound (Jason on DRUMEO describes it that way). The G2s are a little more resonant. Well, I'm a 70 yo, resurrected drummer after 50 years who didn't know crap about Drum heads and Tuning back then. I'm learning now. I don't play Gigs (unless a surprise Geriatric Band should come up locally !!), and play to My Music about an hour a day. My Music: Clapton, Winwood, Mellencamp, Stones, Beatles, CCR, CARS, Talking Heads, Eagles, Foreigner, even Linda Ronstadt & Bonnie Rait & more. Let us know what you settled on?
Seeing as this video was a few years ago, if you look in my further videos I think I went with the Hydraulic Red heads. It's been a few years, and I'm not playing the black chrome heads
@@AndrewHershelChannel When you make a video such as this where the point is "the last time I'm going to play this head", it's a good idea for the structure of the video to mention the options you would prefer or what you're planning on getting to replace them and why. It makes the video more interesting to the intended audience of drummers.
@@cedarandsound I appreciate the advice, I've definitely learned a lot since I've uploaded this video, but if you do watch the next video I did make a video of what heads I got
I actually play with hydraulics, so sustain was the opposite that I wanted. I wanted a really punchy, articulate sound that was able to be tuned really low. For the application that I was using the EC2's was wrong, but I cant complain to much, I got them for free. Make sure to check out my new RUclips channel Andrew Hershel: ruclips.net/channel/UC6ttY3r30ggoz7KVIyk7UHg I dont upload to this channel anymore
@@AndrewHershelChannel I mostly play G2's which are great! But now I just got a set of EC2's which sound amazing! But not as good allround heads as g2 I would say. They are mostly good for rock I would say. But if I tune them up a little bit more I'm sure they'd be pretty ok for most music
@@NilsHedstrom they just arent my style. I loved the hydraulics I got a while back, so I was happy to replace the EC2s with hydraulics. I'm personally into the really deep punchy sound, so I didnt think the ec2s fit me well
@@AndrewHershelChannel Well heads/tuning and cymbals are much personal preference. Everybody is different which is good:) I love the Ec2's and I get a punchy and deep enough sound of them(At least in my opinion. But I'm glad you seemed to find heads you liked.
i'm a Evans guy but i was never a fan of tha EC2s on tha toms so i stock with tha classic Evans G2 on tha batter side on toms and G1 for my resonant heads and now i see why Dennis Chambers used tha combo for his toms for years because usually it's a great combo, also i love EMAD but take tha pillow out because really there's no need for a pillow when u have a Emad because tha purpose of EMAD is u're tired of puttin' a pillow in tha bass drum :P
1. Your drums are tuned awfully. Choking the life out em’ dude. 2. Cymbals do effect the overall sound of your kit. Not the heads, per-say. 3. Good entry level cymbals do NOT exist. I understand playing at your budget, but c’mon man. It’s know facts here. 4. This is only constructive criticism, don’t take any of it personal.
Basically everything said here. B8s are what I started with, along with half the drummers out there. But, they're are a piercing sound that doesn't complement the drums well. I'd also recommend looking at the bottom heads and how they're tuned. More often than not, on my own set, that is the culprit of a bad tom sound. As for batter heads, I tried a ton of different ones on my Gretch Catalina Ash kit, and nothing was doing the trick. I switched to the Evans black chrome heads, which transformed that set from crap to amazing. I absolutely recommend those heads for future reference.
1. From my personal experience playing, choking at a certain point depending on heads either give you a heavier sound or higher pitch sound, in his case, the entire kit sounds horrible imo. 2. Cymbals & the heads equally make the sound better, not just cymbals, it’s more 50/50 than you think. 3. Disagreeing a bit. Good entry levels exist, based on taste & within range. I got 3 Zildjian i series 18” crashes, all for $300, and they sound amazing compared to what I had before. Cymbals either sound good or terrible, no in the middle really. Not fact, but rather, your opinion. 4. All in good favor sharing your opinion, but I didnt really agree much, so just sending a friendly response
You got free drumheads...you got free drumheads...just get to the point about what doesn't work about them for you...just get to the damn point. YOU NEVER SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM. YOU NEVER SAY....! Then when you do play, it's a camera mic. The audio recording is less than ideal to be able to tell what the heads sound like.
Why does no one get this. Getting rid of the EC2s was a choice based on preference. Getting new heads after over a year is like 200 dollars. Get a new cymbal that I want is also Ike 200 for a singular cymbal. I didnt replace the EC2s because they suck, I replaced them because I prefer not those heads, and because they're so warn out. They were literally almost 2 years old.
@Sfilmuj Mnie Spot on, too much gear snobbery... even cheap drums with "crappy" factory heads can sound awesome if played by a skilled drummer, all the rest is just bragging... same applies to the guitar world...
Gearhead Drummer those are entry level cymbals for kids. Yes they’re affordable, but ya get what ya pay for. They sound BAD. And I wasn’t gonna say anything but you were a douche to some dude when he was trying to give you a tip. So I figured I’d tell you the truth.
He said that my cymbal quality will affect the sound that the drum heads produce. And yes, they are entry level cymbals, and you're right, I am getting what I'm paying for, but his argument of "cymbals affect the tone of the drum head" is wrong. Also, sabian B8s are significantly better entry level cymbals than any other companies entry level cymbals, so I'm just gonna stick to them until they break or I have real money to pay for stuff like better cymbals
Okay but it’s the fact that you were a dick when he just wanted to give you a tip and he was right in a way. No, the cymbals don’t affect the drum head sound, but they do affect your overall sound. There are no such thing as good entry level cymbals. They’re cut out of sheet metal and lathed and that’s all you get. Also, if you break any kind of cymbals, you’re hitting them the wrong way.
Definitely a matter of opinion and type of music. EC2’s are fucking bad ass they sound like cannons.
I love those EC2'S. I can hear every beautiful note and the sustain is perfect. You need different cymbals. The ones you have are the reason I the heads aren't being complimented
That doesn't make any sense. I'm just gonna say it. That was stupid. I didnt like The EC2's, they didn't produce the sound i was looking for. My cymbals are great, especially for what I can afford, also cymbal quality has nothing to do with drum head quality or like. That was a stupid comment
Gearhead Drummer you’re an asshole and you suck at drumming. He’s right. You have the absolute shittiest cymbals there are. I would’ve been nice and said those are beginner cymbals, but you’re a douchebag. Someone was trying to give you a tip. Btw, Google ‘dynamics’.
@@AndrewHershelChannel Your cymbals are not great dude, I have entry level cymbals and they sound like crap but I'm slowly getting better ones. Don't worry about drumheads yet, get other cymbals for that money
@@AndrewHershelChannel And also don't reply to your comments if you're going to be an asshole
@@AndrewHershelChannel you are really a idiot you don't know how to treat your fans your not even that good and I'm gonna unsubscribe get a life
"This is a video about these drumheads....so here's a broken shelf....also I really like engines and brakes are cool sometimes...."
It’s all matter of opinion really. I bought a DW design series kit and it came with single ply remos on the batter and reso. I was DYING to replace the batter heads for the EC2’s or any other 2 ply head for that matter. Man what a difference that makes! But 2 ply for 2 ply, clear for clear doesn’t really make that much of a difference for me. Clear vs powder coat definitely has much more of an argument because there are notable differences in the two. I did eventually put ec2’s on it and it sounds amazing
Good drumming young man! I've been playing for years but have not had a rehearsal space for over 20 years. Really sucks since I'm 48 now but getting a new house this year. Going to build a garage with a drum riser in it so my 2 sons can play on my kit to see if they would like it. Tight snare. I too was a little luke warm towards my EC2 heads. I have a big ole Bonham kit and preferred the Black Chrome and the G1 clear heads. Getting ready to reskin my kit since I got another gig. Snare is getting a simple G1 coated Batter head on it.
I think I like the heads better than the cymbals. Not trying to nasty or anything. Everyone's preference is different. I'm a Paiste guy. When i played Zildjian I used mostly K Dark Crashes with a Briliant finish. For the 10 extra bucks I got a better finish and nicer sound for my ears. I've yet to find any ppl meinl that I really like but again, that's my opinion. Best of luck on your new head selection.
What heads did u choose now that u got rid of the ec2 s?? And why?? In the video u just said that u did not want them at all...
If you watch the "new drumheads" video youll see what heads I got. Hint, they're red. As to why I got rid of them, I took my drumset traveling with my drumline in high school. I was forced to use those drum heads, it was not a choice, and I am not a fan of the EC2's. I just do not like the tone or sustain. Being a metal drummer, i like shorter sustain with a deep tone, and that is not what the EC2's are
EC2s are sick, Aaron Ovecka who played with I The Breather used to rock em, you’re kinda nuts.
I see ripples on some of the heads? You keep the batter heads that low?
No, thats just reflection. All the heads are at least 2 full rotations tight
NICE VIDEO SIR. GREAT DRUMMING. YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CONTROL. I CREDIT YOUR DRUM TEACHERS, AND YOUR DEDICATION TO PRACTICE. LOL. I SUGGEST THAT EVERY DRUMMER JOIN A MARCHING BAND DRUM LINE. I PLAYED IN ONE FOR 2 YRS AND TAUGHT AT MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL FOR OVER 10 YRS. I TAUGHT AT 2 OTHER LOCAL AREA HIGH SCHOOLS.
A VERY REWARDING JOB FOR ME, AND HOPEFULLY FOR THE STUDENTS.
I AM CONSIDERING DOING IT AGAIN VERY NEAR FUTURE.
I LOVE PDP DRUMS. I DONT CARE FOR THE DWS, BUT THEIR PDPS SOUND NICE WITH THOSE AWESOME HEADS.
I HAVE BEEN DRUMMING FOR 30 YRS. MY WHOLE LIFE, WELL, SINCE I WAS 5.
I AM 40 YRS OLD. YIPPEE.....LOL.
I HAD MINOR HEALTH ISSUES THAT HAS PREVENTED ME FROM PLAYING IN MY PRACTICE SPACE, AND ALSO FROM AUDITIONING FOR SOME AWESOME ROCK BANDS. FOR THE PAST YEAR. I LOOK FRWD TO TAKING CARE OF A FEW MINOR HEALTH ISSUES, AND START GETTING THE GROOVE JUICES FLOWING AGAIN, AND THE CHOPS AND CALLUSES IN THE MIXING BOWLS TO CREATE AN AWESOME PLATTER OF MELODIES TO OUR EARS, AND MY NEIGHBORS,LOL.
I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A PDP KIT.
I FOUND TWO - SEVEN PIECE PDP, BEAUTIFUL DRUM SETS, [ RED CHERRY SPARKLE / GRAY SPARKLE.].
THESE 2 SETS WERE AT GUITAR CENTER 10 YRS AGO, FOR 1000.00 EACH, JUST SHELL PACKS.
MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL GET A HUGE PDP KIT.
THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET PLAYS DRUMS. HE IS JUST BASIC. HE DOESNT PRACTICE ON ANY REGULAR BASIS, AND HE NEVER OPENS UP TO LEARN NEW, DIFFERENT STYLES, AND IS TERRIBLE AT HIS CONTROL AND TECHNIQUE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE GIVEN HIM MANY, MANY LESSONS, AND PRACTICE SHEETS TO TAKE ACROSS THE STREET TO PRACTICE, HE DIDNT PRACTICE THE MATERIAL I GAVE HIM, CAUSE HE CANT READ MUSIC.
EVEN AFTER I TAUGHT HIM, SCREAMED AT HIM, BEAT HIS ASS, LOL. KIDDING ON THAT ONE., LOL, AT HIM, I SHOWED HIM HOW TO COUNT AND PLAY THE MUSIC CAUSE THE MUSIC EXERCISES IS CALLED 'COUNTING AND PLAYING'.
FOR THE 25 YRS THAT I HAVE KNOWN HIM, HE REALLY NEVER IMPROVED. HE IS 10 YRS OLDER THAN ME.
HE HAS BEEN IN MANY BANDS IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS, BUT HE CANT KEEP THE BEAT.
HE HAS DECENT GEAR. LOL . HE HAS BEEN PLAYING IN A BEETLES TRIBUTE BAND FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD. HE LAYS DOWN THE BEATS, BUT SORTA LOSES TIME.
I NEVER LIKED THE BEATLES UNTIL I HEARD HIS BAND, AND MY RESPECT FOR RINGO WAS 100 PERCENT .
SOME THINGS I COULDNT DO, AND NEEDED HELP ON,LOL.
AND I PLAY 'RUSH'.LMAO. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOLLOW RINGO.
I JUST NEVER HAD THE DRIVE OR DESIRE TO PLAY BEATLES MUSIC.
OH WELL.
THE GUY NEXT TO ME BUILDS LOUD CARS, TRUCKS, AND MOTORCYCLES. HE IS AWESOME, BUT IT IS LOUD . SO, HE CANT COMPLAIN. BUT, HE IS A BIKER, AND THOISE BIKERS LOVE MUSIC. LOL.
HE DOESNT COMPLAIN. HE LIKES MY DRUMS.LOL.
I HAVE A HUGE, AWESOME 15 PIECE 'RED FURY' LUDWIG 'ROCKER' KIT FROM 1989.
I ELIMINATED A BASS DRUM YRS LATER, TO MAKE ROOM FOR OTHER TOYS, AND GADGETS TO HIT, I MEAN TO PLAY,LOL.
I ALSO ELIMINATED THE 3 ROTO TOMS, AND NOW USE IT AS AN 11 PIECE, AND ITS FUN.
I MADE 2 BIG TOM TOMS 15 AND 16 INCH INTO FLOOR TOMS, SO WITH THE 18 INCH FLOOR TOM, I HAVE 2 ON MY RIGHT SIDE, AND ONE FLOOR TOM ON MY LEFT SIDE.
I WISH I HAD A 20 INCH FLOOR TOM. THEY DIDNT MAKE IT BACK THEN, BUT SINCE THEY MADE MY KIT FROM SCRATCH, I COULD HAVE TRIED TO GET ONE MADE THEN. AND I NEVER SEE ANY ON E BAY. IT HAS BEEN AWHILE SINCE I LOOKED.
I HAD TO BUY A 6 INCH CLASSIC TOM AND A 15 INCH CLASSIC TOM, AND FOR THAT REASON THEY HAD TO TURN AROUND EACH TOM, AND PUT THE BADGES ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE EACH TOM WAS BEING TURNED AROUND WITH THE SIZE ADDITIONS. LOL.
I WAS USING TOP HEADS ONLY, THEN WHEN I COULD AFFORD MORE HEADS, I PUT BOTTOM ONES ON, ALL REMO. FOR MANY YRS. CLEAR, , BUT I FIRST USED THE LUDWIG HEADS THAT CAME WITH THE KIT. CLEAR , SILVER DOT. THEN I WAS USING WHITE COATED TOP, STRIDER HEADS.
THEN I USED REMO, THEN I HAVE BEEN USING CLEAR, THEN COATED 'ATTACK' HEADS WHICH MADE MY KIT POUND. I LOVE THEM HEADS.
I AM NOW LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE EVANS EC2 CLEARS TOP , AND EVANS CLEAR RESONANT ON BOTTOM.
I THINK THEY WILL PRODUCE AMAZING SOUNDS OUT OF ALL THOSE DRUMS, ON BOTH KITS.
WHEN I STARTED USING TOPS/ BOTTOMS HEADS, AND I MADE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THINGS, MY WHOLE TECHNIQUES CHANGED FOR WHAT I WAS PURPOSELY TRYING TO DO.
FROM THE TUNING TO THE POSITIONS, AND THE NEW LOOK, MADE ME A BETTER DRUMMER.
ABOUT 15 YRS AGO I BOUGHT PART OF AN 8 PIECE MAPEX DRUM KIT FOR A CHURCH BAND WHO I WAS PLAYING WITH ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AND OTHER EVENTS LIKE FESTIVALS, ETC,ETC... IT IS VERY NICE. IT IS CALLED AN M - BIRCH , BLK FORREST SAPPHIRE.
I ALWAYS WANTED A MAPEX KIT, ONLY AFTER SEEING THEM BEING ADVERTISED. I LIKED THE HARDWARE, AND THE TOUGHNESS THEY DISPLAYED ON THE WAY THEY ARE MADE.
AFTER I QUIT THE CHURCH, I TOOK 3 TOMS AND A FEW STANDS HOME, AND LEFT THE REST AT THE CHURCH.
I LEFT THEM WITH A NORMSL 5 PIECE KIT THAT IS SOLD AS A JAZZ SET UP.
I THEN BOUGHT A 5 PIECE KIT, AND THEN SOME ADD ONS, AND SOME SAME SIZED TOMS, AND I MADE IT AN 11 PIECE KIT. IT IS CALLED THE M- BIRCH. THOSE ATTACK HEADS SOUND VERY NICE ON IT.
THE EVANS WILL HOPEFULLY BE BETTER.
I FOUND A MAPEX BIRCH FLOOR TOM A FEW YRS AGO FOR A FANTASTIC PRICE, AND I BOUGHT IT. IT IS A SAPPHIRE 20 INCH FLOOR TOM.
IT DONT HAVE THE BLK FADE AWAY COLOR ON THE BOTTOM, BUT WHO CARES. THE TOP AND MIDDLE LOOK THE SAME AS MY KIT, AND I THINK THE TOM WAS LIKE 35 BUCKS.LOL.
I HAD TO BUY IT, COZ I WANTED IT .LOL.
I HAVE A COOL 'ROLAND' 11 piece v- drum electronic kit with a td 8 brain. the drums are white pads, with small blk pads and 2 huge blk pads all for cymbals, etc.
its an awesome kit to play. its very loud.lol.
i love it.
your cymbals sound decent.
do you like playing on cheaper cymbals?
i could make this a long story to tell about the 200 or more cymbals that i have but i won't.
i use to play, zildjian - a- series for years. i put them away because iafter buying wuhan china's, once i found out that wuhan makes every other type of cymbal, i bought as many as i could, and played them, until i started to collect them once the 's' series, and old traditional went out of style.
i bought every cymbal wuhan ever made.
i then bought the new traditional wuhan cymbals. i bought so many, i started playing one set, and collecting a whole new other set of the new traditional style. lol.
they are cheap to buy, but sound excellent.
i would never play zildjina again. my wuhans sound better than many of my zildjians.
i have a great collection, but i want to start selling them.
try them out my friend.
buy a 4 piece set w/ bag, and add some china's. i have triple of the china's, and so many other ones that are doubles. i have like 21 zildjian rides, and 24 wuhan rides.
try them out. if you break them, or dont like them, you didn't really break your bank acct.
let me know what you think.
the old 's' series and old traditionals sound very nice. the 's' are a little heavier sounding. they have the hand - hammered look.
hey thanks for letting me tell my story. im sorry if its a tad to long, but i hope that it helps others someway, some how, and some time.
i have been blessed with my gear, and i hope others will be blessed as well. just work hard and stay positive.
have fun with it. coz once the fun is gone, forget it. get rid of them and play the trumpet,or piano, lol.
have a MERRY CHRISTMAS, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
THANK YOU BUDDY, AND I HOPE YOU ARE STILL PLAYING THE 'BOOM BOOMS'.
jesus christ you have a lot of time on your hands
What kind of Tom Heads did you end up getting? I keep switching between the EC2s Clear and Evans G2 coated heads. I think the EC2s deliver a Dooooo, Dooooo sound (Jason on DRUMEO describes it that way). The G2s are a little more resonant. Well, I'm a 70 yo, resurrected drummer after 50 years who didn't know crap about Drum heads and Tuning back then. I'm learning now. I don't play Gigs (unless a surprise Geriatric Band should come up locally !!), and play to My Music about an hour a day. My Music: Clapton, Winwood, Mellencamp, Stones, Beatles, CCR, CARS, Talking Heads, Eagles, Foreigner, even Linda Ronstadt & Bonnie Rait & more. Let us know what you settled on?
Seeing as this video was a few years ago, if you look in my further videos I think I went with the Hydraulic Red heads. It's been a few years, and I'm not playing the black chrome heads
@@AndrewHershelChannel When you make a video such as this where the point is "the last time I'm going to play this head", it's a good idea for the structure of the video to mention the options you would prefer or what you're planning on getting to replace them and why. It makes the video more interesting to the intended audience of drummers.
@@cedarandsound I appreciate the advice, I've definitely learned a lot since I've uploaded this video, but if you do watch the next video I did make a video of what heads I got
Question... do you not like them because there is not as much sustain?
I actually play with hydraulics, so sustain was the opposite that I wanted. I wanted a really punchy, articulate sound that was able to be tuned really low. For the application that I was using the EC2's was wrong, but I cant complain to much, I got them for free. Make sure to check out my new RUclips channel Andrew Hershel: ruclips.net/channel/UC6ttY3r30ggoz7KVIyk7UHg I dont upload to this channel anymore
I think the EC2s still sounded pretty cool
They werent my favorite. I would have rather used G2s especially for the application I needed them for
@@AndrewHershelChannel yeah fair enough
@@AndrewHershelChannel I mostly play G2's which are great! But now I just got a set of EC2's which sound amazing! But not as good allround heads as g2 I would say. They are mostly good for rock I would say. But if I tune them up a little bit more I'm sure they'd be pretty ok for most music
@@NilsHedstrom they just arent my style. I loved the hydraulics I got a while back, so I was happy to replace the EC2s with hydraulics. I'm personally into the really deep punchy sound, so I didnt think the ec2s fit me well
@@AndrewHershelChannel Well heads/tuning and cymbals are much personal preference. Everybody is different which is good:) I love the Ec2's and I get a punchy and deep enough sound of them(At least in my opinion. But I'm glad you seemed to find heads you liked.
i'm a Evans guy but i was never a fan of tha EC2s on tha toms so i stock with tha classic Evans G2 on tha batter side on toms and G1 for my resonant heads and now i see why Dennis Chambers used tha combo for his toms for years because usually it's a great combo, also i love EMAD but take tha pillow out because really there's no need for a pillow when u have a Emad because tha purpose of EMAD is u're tired of puttin' a pillow in tha bass drum :P
This your last time playing them? Promise??
Are you going to try to sell those Evans EC2 drum heads, or what are you going to do with them?
You can't sell used drumheads, as soon as you use them they are already considered bad
@@AndrewHershelChannel never knew that but thanks to you now I know.
@@AndrewHershelChannel - You can sell them.
Someone will buy them.
I sold a stack of them to a local Music Go Round where I teach.
@@danlc95 can you actually sell used drumheads? Also if you like my videos, make sure to subscribe for a ton more drum content!
@@AndrewHershelChannel - Yep!
I liked the ec2 heads
Yeah, I didn’t think they were bad, just weren’t my thing. I don’t think Evans makes a bad product, just not all products I like
What reso heads are you using
Evans Genera Reso
I'm Curious , what Reso Heads were used?
Evans genera reso
@@AndrewHershelChannel thought i saw a remo crown....
Haha, keeping the thread alive. Haven’t used remo heads in almost 3 years when that video was made. No Remo heads all Evans.
can you deliver to me your EC2 heads.my favorite.
My old heads were shot I used to hit thrm so hard🤣
Decent chops but you really need to play to a click.
Thank you! And yeah, i was in the drumline for 4 years. I learned how important it is, but i just chose to neglect it. Thank you!
which china it is?
18 inch sabian b8 china
Michigan represent!
Farmington Harrison Alumni here!
Ayyy! That's Awesome! I was at discount tire and I was talking to a FUPE alumni yesterday!
1. Your drums are tuned awfully. Choking the life out em’ dude.
2. Cymbals do effect the overall sound of your kit. Not the heads, per-say.
3. Good entry level cymbals do NOT exist. I understand playing at your budget, but c’mon man. It’s know facts here.
4. This is only constructive criticism, don’t take any of it personal.
Basically everything said here. B8s are what I started with, along with half the drummers out there. But, they're are a piercing sound that doesn't complement the drums well.
I'd also recommend looking at the bottom heads and how they're tuned. More often than not, on my own set, that is the culprit of a bad tom sound.
As for batter heads, I tried a ton of different ones on my Gretch Catalina Ash kit, and nothing was doing the trick. I switched to the Evans black chrome heads, which transformed that set from crap to amazing. I absolutely recommend those heads for future reference.
At least get some Sabian XSRs
Paiste PST7 are the best value for money, my first choice for sure
Only good sounding entry level cymbals I’ve heard “imo” were the Zildjian zbts.
1. From my personal experience playing, choking at a certain point depending on heads either give you a heavier sound or higher pitch sound, in his case, the entire kit sounds horrible imo.
2. Cymbals & the heads equally make the sound better, not just cymbals, it’s more 50/50 than you think.
3. Disagreeing a bit. Good entry levels exist, based on taste & within range. I got 3 Zildjian i series 18” crashes, all for $300, and they sound amazing compared to what I had before. Cymbals either sound good or terrible, no in the middle really. Not fact, but rather, your opinion.
4. All in good favor sharing your opinion, but I didnt really agree much, so just sending a friendly response
You got free drumheads...you got free drumheads...just get to the point about what doesn't work about them for you...just get to the damn point. YOU NEVER SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM. YOU NEVER SAY....! Then when you do play, it's a camera mic. The audio recording is less than ideal to be able to tell what the heads sound like.
You should get rid of those cymbals instead and get a better set of drums, the EC2 are great heads!
Why does no one get this. Getting rid of the EC2s was a choice based on preference. Getting new heads after over a year is like 200 dollars. Get a new cymbal that I want is also Ike 200 for a singular cymbal. I didnt replace the EC2s because they suck, I replaced them because I prefer not those heads, and because they're so warn out. They were literally almost 2 years old.
I love your kit 🤤🤤
Thanks
Most. Peeps are intimidated you did awsome !
Thank you!
There are no bad heads, there are only bad drummers.
I didnt day they were bad, i said i didnt like them. Get your shit straight
@Sfilmuj Mnie Spot on, too much gear snobbery... even cheap drums with "crappy" factory heads can sound awesome if played by a skilled drummer, all the rest is just bragging... same applies to the guitar world...
@@AndrewHershelChannel u didn’t day?…. Get ur shit straight
Ew b8 cymbals
you are a bad drummer jajajajajajajajaj. evans no tiene la culpa =)
Yikes 😂
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Gearhead Drummer those are entry level cymbals for kids. Yes they’re affordable, but ya get what ya pay for. They sound BAD. And I wasn’t gonna say anything but you were a douche to some dude when he was trying to give you a tip. So I figured I’d tell you the truth.
He said that my cymbal quality will affect the sound that the drum heads produce. And yes, they are entry level cymbals, and you're right, I am getting what I'm paying for, but his argument of "cymbals affect the tone of the drum head" is wrong. Also, sabian B8s are significantly better entry level cymbals than any other companies entry level cymbals, so I'm just gonna stick to them until they break or I have real money to pay for stuff like better cymbals
Okay but it’s the fact that you were a dick when he just wanted to give you a tip and he was right in a way. No, the cymbals don’t affect the drum head sound, but they do affect your overall sound. There are no such thing as good entry level cymbals. They’re cut out of sheet metal and lathed and that’s all you get. Also, if you break any kind of cymbals, you’re hitting them the wrong way.