I want to see it but if the team is caught using it, they can get disqualified unless it wasn't intentional. If it wasn't intentional the game would be stopped, they will go back 2-3 minutes and start the game again.
I think the funniest part of this is that I think this is mostly working as intended. Senna’s ghost ability effects aren’t visible if the enemy doesn’t have vision of its center of mass aka Senna. Tahm removes the champion he eats from the map essentially, removing vision of them, and therefore removing the ghost effect. And because enemies within Senna’s ghost effect also can’t be seen unless the enemy has vision of the center of mass, it works on Tahm and surrounding allies too. The issue here is basically that Senna ghost ability isn’t treating Tahm like it treats other obscuring effects because Tahm eat isn’t coded to be the same. Its not treating it like Senna is in a bush, its treating her as being basically “phased from existence at Tahm’s location”.
There's a difference between "working as intended" and "working logically". The way it's working technically _makes sense,_ but there's no way Riot _intended_ for this to be possible because it's an exploit. They'll undoubtedly remove it by having Senna's E switch off as soon as Tahm Devours her in the next patch.
@@ArcaneAzmadi They could try to find a way to maintain the visible effect while Senna is removed from the map, which would fix the issue without breaking the effect, but we all know Riot prefers to fine tune with a hacksaw.
“Wait that’s not right Senna shouldn’t have that starting animation on her e. It reveals her and allows for counter play before Tahm Kench eats her.” - Some Rioter (probably)
So logically speaking its because senna makes allies within her circle invisible, and technically youre invisible when you get eaten by tahm kench, which effectively turns all parties involved invis. But lets just say theyre better and jumpscares than fiddlesticks.
@@kaworuswife Yes, that why Jinx at the end could see them when she walked near them. But normally you see Senna's shroud to indicate where the enemies are.
@@panrafa4774 well thing is sennas is complicated. Allies within her shroud are deemed invisible from outside the shroud since you have no way to tell where they are at first glance due to not being shown.
@@panrafa4774 Basically what happens is that normally the cloud is the indicator for where the enemies are in the camouflage but Tk makes senna invisible so the visual indicator for her allies also dissapears, if you get close you can see them
Second champion? Akali, Kai'Sa, Kha'Zix LeBlanc, Neeko, Qiyana, Shaco, Talon, Teemo, Vayne, Wukong and everybody that builds Duskblade of Drakktharwould like a word with you...
@@DivineBanana that's not "true invisibility", the true invisibility was something that the old akali had on her smoke. That means even tower couldnt see her, all the champs you said can be seen by towers
Senna's E provides camouflage to all nearby allies. In this state, Senna acquires a new form, whose function is to signal to the enemy team that there are cloaked enemies and that E is running. For reasons of Tahm Kench's R "taking" Senna off the map, so this visual indicator of E is also "taken away", guaranteeing only the skill's camouflage state. I believe this is how this interaction works.
the weird thing is that this also means the ghoul/mist creature things when people leave her shroud is bound to senna and not to the champions affected by it to look like the ghouls
The worst part of this is it's actually really easy to do Senna E then Tahm R. That's it, no need for frame perfect ults, no need for certain spacing, just 2 buttons from 2 players.
This immediately made me think of the smoke consumable in Dota 2. You're completely invisible and undetectable by wards (including true sight) so long as you don't get within range of a tower or enemy hero.
Hey vandiril, I have found a not very convenient bug in ARAM, if you are using Neeko, you transform into any ally and send your clone (transformed into an ally) towards the heal that appears on the map, this when the lightning appears in the area that heals, this is canceled without healing anyone. Greeting from Chile.
It also workes on your normal clone you dont need to be transformed. Reported it twice since last year through the bug report and posted/commented it on reddit multiple times but it seems like its not worth fixing. I think its because neeko clone counts as a champ so it can activate it but it despawns before the heal arrives wich causes the bug. You can also use it do deny the enemy team the heal by sending it into the relict and then running away invisible.
Whats funny is this IS technically working as intended. Allies within sennas e are invisible, its only when they leave the e that theyre wraiths. And since tahm has eaten her, shes also invisible alongside her e, but since tahm is also in her e, it makes him invisible aswell. While it may not be the intended interaction between the two, on a technical level everything is working as it should.
Her shroud should disappear when eaten tho, so it isn’t working as intended. Displacements and being within range disassemble senna shroud. Since neither of those interactions are working as intended it’s not working as it should. And by displacement I mean taking her off the map, eg, Morde ult. her team isn’t invis still because she isn’t there, same as tahm. It’s a bug through and through
@@TheSlayer2682 morde ult and tahm ult work completely differently. Iirc i remember a dev tweeting about this but morde ult transports you to a completely separate map (take that with a grain of salt my memory sucks). Tahms works similar to master yis q, while yes yi is not there (wouldnt know the exact term), all his effects still function such as immolate because he is still there, but he isnt if that makes sense. So yes sennas e still being around her while in tahm is working, its just not what they intended for it to do. Other abilities still function while inside tahm, notably mordekaiser passive, swain ult, brand passive, nasus and reneks ults etc and i believe nunu ult now works but that mightve been a bug.
Im just about to start My ranked game with a Senna main while being a tahm main.. Then you see a RUclips video pops up while waiting for Q. Now there’s two giggling villians in Voice chat
Found a minor bug with Mordekaiser: If you're in practice tool and are full built with the following items: Zhonyas, Nashors tooth, Demonic embrace, Riftmaker, Rylais crystal scepter and plated steelcaps you can kill the training dummy with your Q while in Ult. All other abilities or aa dont kill
To the people saying that this may be intentional. Senna Tahm Kench duo, was disabled in competitive for this very bug last month. You were not allowed to have these two champions on the same team due to this interaction. Not sure if this has been addressed yet but I don't think we have seen Senna Tahm in a while for this reason
I saw a clip where Renata R'd a Master Yi with red buff and he attacked his teammate, and after the berserk ended the red buff burned ticked and his teammate died, and it gave yi the kill. If Renata ulted Viego with red buff and Viego killed his teammate with red buff after berserk wore off, would Viego be able to steal his teammate's soul? Could a kill reset champ get a reset off of their own teammate? Would teammate kills stack eyeball, hunter runes, legend runes or rengars bonetooth necklace? Would lissandra's passive turn her teammate into the ice thing?
I died with draven yesterday in ranked after casting his ultimate... I had the Recast ability of Whirling Death as my Ultimate from that point on for the rest of the game... League is in a healthy state!
So happy I don't waste my life playing this game anymore. The amount of stuff that has broken this game is unreal, but this???? This is fucking ridiculous. The literal fix is that when displaced by anything the Senna skill goes on cooldown automatically. No questions asked.
yeah i only play botgames now. used to play rankeds and normals 2 but the gamestate is just horrible. the company is full of idiots and the community keeps abusing such things and shitting on good mentality. they dont know sportsmanship. idiots playing the game and idiots allowing it. best combo xD
i got an idea if with an eeko and renata ult if ekko were to get caugh at the start of it then were to ult back 4 seconds do we think he would get caugh again?
@@matipedi4507 I think (okay, this is what *I* think) he meant, theoretically, Ekko's ult returns him in back in time. So, theoretically, he wasn't ult'd by Renata 4 seconds ago, but he will be 4 seconds after. After turning back time, would Ekko still be ult'd by Renata "again".
@@Why_Do_I_Need_A_Handle_Name that's not how any of this work Ekko ult is just a displacement and a heal, it has no interaction with "going back in time", items don't go back on cd nor hiw own abilities, and timed effects are not backward either
@@lucasvivante8988 i think he means if ekko is caught point blank, waits for berserk to finish, then travels back to the new location of the renata ult to be hit again, since it is so slow.
then theyll say theyll fix it themselves to then never fix it. because they are good at programming and thinking what interactions could cause problems.
Holy shit that's so funny and frustrating at the same time. I hope IT DOESN'T get removed and instead the gameplay get's enriched by adding counterplay or stuff like that
So basically getting eaten by Tahm hides all Senna shroud VFXs... I'm wondering if it applies to other effects that are attached to champions AND are not interrupted by Tahm R
Tahm and Senna casually creating an invisibility paradox.
Working as intended.
lol
Counterplay: Don't leave your base.
Zasady rozgrywki w bronzie
Counterplay: Uninstall
LOL is really a horror game…
As an adc main in s12
I am really good at that
Well senna has range
Riot Games: "We are introducing a third type of invisibility: The unexpected one."
Got me thinking a 4th dimension, but then what if Mordekaiser ult's tahm kench at the same time ? Does it bring everyone into the upside down world ?
NOBODY EXPECTS THE TAHM KENCH INQUISITION!
you mean reintroducing ; ) nunu W flashbacks
The true invisibility.
Banger
This happened to me just 1 hr ago. Was playing vs a fasting senna bot lane as jinx. Won the lane but got the surprise of my life.
Looks like Rito don't wanna see you win the games!
@@ricardohoang8452 yes man. Playing 1 game of ranked tests my patience.
@@HydroXet played a ranked game that went for 40 minutes, legit wanted to cry a few times bc of how long it went
@@tacoman9409 switch to dota, where an average game lasts 40 minutes, just to build up resilience.
@@pvshka I did switch to dota specifically for this reason! League matches are too short for me, I want those hour+ long games.
200 years of collective game design experience.
Its not a joke anymore its sad they fucked up the game really hard i stoped playing this shitty game
Must be closer to 250 years by now
@@simplyded1055 some one did the calculation and it is about 308 years
240 years already
Lough prono
Aphelios: Peacefully taking out some minions
Tahm Kench and Senna: *"Bonjour"*
as a French I approve this comment
He missed the canon.
you mean om nom nom jumpscare???
@@toxhydre8806 My heart sank when it happened, for I, too, missed the cannon.
imagine seeing that in proplay
I really really hope so!
I want to see it but if the team is caught using it, they can get disqualified unless it wasn't intentional. If it wasn't intentional the game would be stopped, they will go back 2-3 minutes and start the game again.
@@thewolf7668 as far as i can tell its not a bug, its intentional
@@Vandiril Pro features 🤣
Imagine seeing that in cosplay
I think the funniest part of this is that I think this is mostly working as intended. Senna’s ghost ability effects aren’t visible if the enemy doesn’t have vision of its center of mass aka Senna. Tahm removes the champion he eats from the map essentially, removing vision of them, and therefore removing the ghost effect. And because enemies within Senna’s ghost effect also can’t be seen unless the enemy has vision of the center of mass, it works on Tahm and surrounding allies too.
The issue here is basically that Senna ghost ability isn’t treating Tahm like it treats other obscuring effects because Tahm eat isn’t coded to be the same. Its not treating it like Senna is in a bush, its treating her as being basically “phased from existence at Tahm’s location”.
There's a difference between "working as intended" and "working logically". The way it's working technically _makes sense,_ but there's no way Riot _intended_ for this to be possible because it's an exploit. They'll undoubtedly remove it by having Senna's E switch off as soon as Tahm Devours her in the next patch.
@@ArcaneAzmadi They could try to find a way to maintain the visible effect while Senna is removed from the map, which would fix the issue without breaking the effect, but we all know Riot prefers to fine tune with a hacksaw.
Most "bugs" in this channel are abilities working as designed, but under circumstances they werent designed for and make no game sense
“Wait that’s not right Senna shouldn’t have that starting animation on her e. It reveals her and allows for counter play before Tahm Kench eats her.”
- Some Rioter (probably)
So logically speaking its because senna makes allies within her circle invisible, and technically youre invisible when you get eaten by tahm kench, which effectively turns all parties involved invis.
But lets just say theyre better and jumpscares than fiddlesticks.
But senna doesn’t make you fully invincible,it’s a camouflage, no?
@@kaworuswife Yes, that why Jinx at the end could see them when she walked near them. But normally you see Senna's shroud to indicate where the enemies are.
Its not invisibility, its comouflage. And there is an animation attached to a champion, and question is why this animation gets detached.
@@panrafa4774 well thing is sennas is complicated. Allies within her shroud are deemed invisible from outside the shroud since you have no way to tell where they are at first glance due to not being shown.
@@panrafa4774 Basically what happens is that normally the cloud is the indicator for where the enemies are in the camouflage but Tk makes senna invisible so the visual indicator for her allies also dissapears, if you get close you can see them
Ah yes, Tahm Kench, the second champion with "true invisibility"
Second champion? Akali, Kai'Sa, Kha'Zix LeBlanc, Neeko, Qiyana, Shaco, Talon, Teemo, Vayne, Wukong and everybody that builds Duskblade of Drakktharwould like a word with you...
@@DivineBanana calm down budy
@@DivineBanana yes ik
@@DivineBanana that's not "true invisibility", the true invisibility was something that the old akali had on her smoke. That means even tower couldnt see her, all the champs you said can be seen by towers
@@pietroceccariglia Akali post rework had it for a while, then everyone said "hey that's bullshit to play against", so it got reverted
Tahm should have been the one to fight Viego and the mist, he can even eat and capture it in his stomach
Ghost Catfish Soup sounds delicious with Riots Spaghetti Code
Tahm: going dark
*senna hide all her teammates*
enemy Yasuo: "MusT hAve BeEN tHe WiNd."
🤣
I wonder if the old Tahm bug where his devour was global is still around
You don't find that spaghetti feature yet
Just wait a few patches for Riot to re-implement that "feature"
Aaah Yes. Let me try this in Ranked.
*goes 1/13/9, with a defeat and a report for feeding*
Tahm Kench is so hungry even ate himself
Senna's E provides camouflage to all nearby allies. In this state, Senna acquires a new form, whose function is to signal to the enemy team that there are cloaked enemies and that E is running. For reasons of Tahm Kench's R "taking" Senna off the map, so this visual indicator of E is also "taken away", guaranteeing only the skill's camouflage state. I believe this is how this interaction works.
the weird thing is that this also means the ghoul/mist creature things when people leave her shroud is bound to senna and not to the champions affected by it to look like the ghouls
R Tahm Kench makes you "vanish", like R Shaco or old Hextech gates.
@@GGG_gaming Yup, that's why all homies there "disappear", just like Rengar's R.
@@minhcuonghuynh2768 Didn't know Shaco's R worked like that. We can also add Master Yi's Q to the list, right?
@@osokratos yes.
Vandiril, thank you so much for this discovery. We had a very enjoyable clash tonight!
0:01 the cannon...
The worst part of this is it's actually really easy to do
Senna E then Tahm R.
That's it, no need for frame perfect ults, no need for certain spacing, just 2 buttons from 2 players.
This immediately made me think of the smoke consumable in Dota 2. You're completely invisible and undetectable by wards (including true sight) so long as you don't get within range of a tower or enemy hero.
Hey vandiril, I have found a not very convenient bug in ARAM, if you are using Neeko, you transform into any ally and send your clone (transformed into an ally) towards the heal that appears on the map, this when the lightning appears in the area that heals, this is canceled without healing anyone.
Greeting from Chile.
It also workes on your normal clone you dont need to be transformed. Reported it twice since last year through the bug report and posted/commented it on reddit multiple times but it seems like its not worth fixing. I think its because neeko clone counts as a champ so it can activate it but it despawns before the heal arrives wich causes the bug. You can also use it do deny the enemy team the heal by sending it into the relict and then running away invisible.
I thought rengar ult was scary but 3 invisible angry apes jumping at you without a warning is soul crushing.
Riot: We made changes to bring back Tahm Kench to the support role.
Also Riot: does this
Whats funny is this IS technically working as intended. Allies within sennas e are invisible, its only when they leave the e that theyre wraiths. And since tahm has eaten her, shes also invisible alongside her e, but since tahm is also in her e, it makes him invisible aswell. While it may not be the intended interaction between the two, on a technical level everything is working as it should.
Her shroud should disappear when eaten tho, so it isn’t working as intended. Displacements and being within range disassemble senna shroud. Since neither of those interactions are working as intended it’s not working as it should.
And by displacement I mean taking her off the map, eg, Morde ult. her team isn’t invis still because she isn’t there, same as tahm. It’s a bug through and through
@@TheSlayer2682 morde ult and tahm ult work completely differently. Iirc i remember a dev tweeting about this but morde ult transports you to a completely separate map (take that with a grain of salt my memory sucks). Tahms works similar to master yis q, while yes yi is not there (wouldnt know the exact term), all his effects still function such as immolate because he is still there, but he isnt if that makes sense. So yes sennas e still being around her while in tahm is working, its just not what they intended for it to do. Other abilities still function while inside tahm, notably mordekaiser passive, swain ult, brand passive, nasus and reneks ults etc and i believe nunu ult now works but that mightve been a bug.
Its just as Jinx says at 0:47
ALL PART OF THE PLAN
Aphelios missing the minion really hurts me in the soul
200 years of collective game design experience and the player still misses cannon
We don't think our champions have overloaded kits overall
Except Mundo
This isnt even invisibly, this is cutting through a different dimension of space
Im just about to start My ranked game with a Senna main while being a tahm main.. Then you see a RUclips video pops up while waiting for Q.
Now there’s two giggling villians in Voice chat
i feel sorry for the enemy team already
Harry potters invisibility cloak
Found a minor bug with Mordekaiser: If you're in practice tool and are full built with the following items: Zhonyas, Nashors tooth, Demonic embrace, Riftmaker, Rylais crystal scepter and plated steelcaps you can kill the training dummy with your Q while in Ult. All other abilities or aa dont kill
The suprise sounds of Birthday Amumu was a welcome touch
Now this is a stealth submarine.
To the people saying that this may be intentional. Senna Tahm Kench duo, was disabled in competitive for this very bug last month. You were not allowed to have these two champions on the same team due to this interaction. Not sure if this has been addressed yet but I don't think we have seen Senna Tahm in a while for this reason
I mean now the ping "signals that enemies are missing" makes sense^^
Certified Rito classic
I saw a clip where Renata R'd a Master Yi with red buff and he attacked his teammate, and after the berserk ended the red buff burned ticked and his teammate died, and it gave yi the kill. If Renata ulted Viego with red buff and Viego killed his teammate with red buff after berserk wore off, would Viego be able to steal his teammate's soul? Could a kill reset champ get a reset off of their own teammate? Would teammate kills stack eyeball, hunter runes, legend runes or rengars bonetooth necklace? Would lissandra's passive turn her teammate into the ice thing?
Whoa whoa whoa.
Hold up right there.
I am interested.
10 stacks of the "hunter" runes sounds intriguing.
Imagine 10 stacks ultimate hunter
Riot: We do not feel that invisibility in the game is a problem
Invisibility in the game:
Riot: *removes true stealth from Akali's W*
Tahm Kench and Senna: We're gonna do what is called a pro gamer move
Disabling ad block for my boi vandiril ❤️
Tahm al kench terrorising the rift 😳
Can we talk about how Aphelios miss the cannon.
Can u imagine playing againts Senna, Tham Kench, Yummi, Shen and Galio?
That is whole nightmare become once.
who would be the jg? the yummi? :))
@@boiya9327 yuumi top, river shen, galio mid, tk senna bot
Seems like a decent-ish comp to me
I've been doing this for a hot second. Very unfair.
Senna and Kench gonna be like
"We were hiding"
I died with draven yesterday in ranked after casting his ultimate...
I had the Recast ability of Whirling Death as my Ultimate from that point on for the rest of the game...
League is in a healthy state!
It actually is. This happened to one player once now. You think a game with that many assets can ever be 100% bug free? Stop being delusional.
So glad they removed the dot that showed where champs are in senna's stealth
Imagine your minding your business suddenly the boogey duo came knocking at your door
So happy I don't waste my life playing this game anymore. The amount of stuff that has broken this game is unreal, but this???? This is fucking ridiculous. The literal fix is that when displaced by anything the Senna skill goes on cooldown automatically. No questions asked.
yeah i only play botgames now. used to play rankeds and normals 2 but the gamestate is just horrible. the company is full of idiots and the community keeps abusing such things and shitting on good mentality. they dont know sportsmanship. idiots playing the game and idiots allowing it. best combo xD
Perfectly ballanced like all things should be.
Ryze Mains watching this: "Why....Are...We...Still.......Here?"
"Just....Too...Suffer?"
Fun fact: In Mobile Legends there is a roaming/support spell called Conceal that can make your whole team invisible for 5 seconds
I wrote an email to you talking about this. So glad you finally show it up to be fixed
200 years of invisible fish monsters
That is the single most broken thing I have ever seen hands down
its just like every other invisibility. except for pink wards not working on it. but the way you suddenly die stays the same.
"The unseen invisibility is the deadliest"
Dota: has smoke of deceit
League: has something similar ft. vandiril
This is a certified hood classic drive by
Tahm with Kalista does this trick too, plus Ryze it will randomly teleport to enemy's face with unstoppable cc chain
it also works if Senna is in a bush with no vision
which makes no sense at all I had a Surprise Nasus to the face like 30 meters away from the bush XD
So Ivern + Senna also work?
@@gilmulth probably
Finally, invisible Annie.
this has been in the game since tahms rework, and it has made me break my keyboard.
Soo this is what 200 years of game design experience made ??
This hapenned to me and my friend around a month ago. We both reported it to Riot Support but never got a response.
Jinx: All according to plan I just made up
"all part of the plan i just made up"
- Rito probably
This reminds me of Paragon where one champ had an ultimate to turn his own team invisible
In dota there's a fuck all cost gold consumable that turns everyone invis
@@bigrarkz7465 limited in stock though. There's Mirana ult, I guess.
Riot: Someone said they were missing chemtech drake. Here you go!
The rock that hits you the hardest is the one you didn't see coming.
Yuumi and Evelynn: Finally worthy opponent
i got an idea if with an eeko and renata ult if ekko were to get caugh at the start of it then were to ult back 4 seconds do we think he would get caugh again?
You mean, can Renata ult hit someone twice Just like maokai R? I dont thinks so
Nah.
@@matipedi4507 I think (okay, this is what *I* think) he meant, theoretically, Ekko's ult returns him in back in time. So, theoretically, he wasn't ult'd by Renata 4 seconds ago, but he will be 4 seconds after. After turning back time, would Ekko still be ult'd by Renata "again".
@@Why_Do_I_Need_A_Handle_Name that's not how any of this work
Ekko ult is just a displacement and a heal, it has no interaction with "going back in time", items don't go back on cd nor hiw own abilities, and timed effects are not backward either
@@lucasvivante8988 i think he means if ekko is caught point blank, waits for berserk to finish, then travels back to the new location of the renata ult to be hit again, since it is so slow.
0:03 i died inside when i saw he missed cannon, then i got buried 6 feet under when that bs happened
me 2, vandrill really did that aphelios dirty with that
lmao
0:04 the price of missing cannon
We just have to wait until someone tried this on a rioter for them to finally notice.
then theyll say theyll fix it themselves to then never fix it. because they are good at programming and thinking what interactions could cause problems.
this is working as intended
Someone must have- they told LCS players on 2/25/22 to not draft Senna and Tahm on the same team
That's a jumpscare if I ever saw one.
Riot games - Its not a glitch, its a feature.
just fought this as healing morde support, they both went 0/6, lost lane completely, then they ffed
absolute chad over here, morde > senna + tahm
200 years moment.
*Tahm Kench support playrate spikes*
Starving Senna + Kench bot
Holy shit that's so funny and frustrating at the same time. I hope IT DOESN'T get removed and instead the gameplay get's enriched by adding counterplay or stuff like that
50sec of utter madnes created by riot
Jinx: "Oh part of the plan? I think not..."
So basically getting eaten by Tahm hides all Senna shroud VFXs...
I'm wondering if it applies to other effects that are attached to champions AND are not interrupted by Tahm R
I would imagine this also affecte Kennen and Fiddle's ults
we've seen nunun ult on tahm kench belly exploding everyone
That's the most disgusting spaghetti I've ever seen and I have one word: Cool
this is for sure newly discovered
I am really curious... does oracle lens work against this? I mean they are camouflaged but I am not sure if they would be revealed with this thing.
yes its just normal comoflage so red trinket would work
@@Onefishygal ohh thank god. Thank you for the answer!
That recent Senna buff working as intended I see.
Imagine a Rengar jumping from nowhere...
especially crazy since it's ALREADY a good combo
Invisible Nunu first, now invisible Senna and Tahm. Can we make all champs go invisible to balance it all out?
DotA: **Laughing in Lothar's Edge**
Shaco: "Impossible".
Something gives me the feeling that classical music might get the Fortnite effect, by becoming known as the Vandiril music xD
0:47 yes sweetheart yes
Wow, seems like a really cool video game to get invested in.
you just gave riot the next champions passive
That's actually an interesting interaction, even if it's totally broken
this seems to be working as intended
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that aphelios missed the cannon ?