When Bayern Helped Dortmund Avoid Bankruptcy, And BOTH Teams Won Because of It - The Revival
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The Revival: When Bayern Helped Dortmund Avoid Bankruptcy, And BOTH Teams Won Because of It
Der Klassiker is easily the biggest matchup in the Bundesliga at this moment (Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund), but when Borussia Dortmund almost went bankrupt in 2003 and again in 2005, Bayern Munich loaned them €2 million to pay their wages, the rivalry was forgotten a bit. But, in a roundabout way, Borussia Dortmund paid Bayern Munich back even more so by becoming the German footballing power that they are today, thanks to the work of Jurgen Klopp and his Gegenpressing, trust in young players and their youth academy, and more. After Borussia Dortmund Embarrassed Bayern Munich in the 2011-2012 season, Bayern came back with a vengeance.
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Schalke and Dortmund are soooo inconsistent! Dortmund reached a UCL final! Schalke was close to taking out real Madrid in UCL some years ago. The potential is there but poor management. Schalke has produced some great players but they can never keep them
That's basically Dortmund's only problem. They got a great staff, wo work well and love the club. But imagine a XI with Lewandowski, Aubameyang, Gündogan, Götze (when he would'nt have left), Dembélé and so many more. Not even putting in those who stayed, like Reus and co.
Yea man! Don't forget Kagawa and Sahin were world class before they moved abroad and ruined their progression. The players that they have right now are good too and young!
That's all of Germany
@DIVYALATHA A/P SASIKUMAR - The problem isn't Bayern the problem is that those teams aren't rich enough to keep hold of quality players like that because of the 50+1 rule.
Schalke had players like Rakitic, Ozil, Neur, Draxler. Too bad they could not keep them. They were sold them for cheap too!
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Yeah I like hitc (sport a bit more) and also b/r football(champions obviously though the podcasts are good too ) and till recently I liked 442oons but now they have become wildly inconsistent and they aren't the same product as a couple of years ago
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Naah I don't know why I don't find they quite informative or funny though to me they feel lethargic.
Hey, but each to its own
If you name Jürgen Klopp you have to mention Hans Joachim Watzke and Michael Zorc too. They came 2005 to the club, Watzke as managing director and Zorc as part of the management and they turned the finances around. They signed Klopp, they signed the players. Debt free in 9 years is not that easy :)
Good coverage of the situation and thank you for mentioning, that the loan wasn't that big. Every time Dortmund wins against Bayern there are Bayern Fans calling themselves the saviors of Dortmund because of the 2 million. It was a nice gesture that helped, not gonna lie, but if the creditors haven't had faith it wouldn't have mattered at all.
Sven Mislintat also played a key role.
Rabona always only talks about something with half the facts that exist. thats why I downvot every video. He's a big hypocrit that tries making money with talking bullshit.
Spot on.
Bayern helped Dortmund out of debt by buying out all their top players yearly, Lmao.
Bayern only bought Hummels and Gotze from Dortmund and both are back at that shitty club.
@@brokyyy he wasn't bought, he was taken for free
@@TheTruthTalker_ Thank god you ignore any history
@Behizy never said it waz
Jan Frank Peter Koen bayern has a thing for buying players in there last year of there contract or getting them for free
Two things
1.Bayern has also helped out Eintracht Frankfurt financial when they were in debt.
2. Can you pls do either some Concacaf Champions League or Europa League coverage!
And 1860 Munich! And yeah I'll try. 😊
Bayern has helped save Kickers Offenbach, St Pauli, Chemnitz, Union Berlin, Darmstadt, Alemania Aachen, Hansa Rostock, Dyanamo Dresden, and Dortmund of course
@@RabonaTV Ah there it is!
@@lps2013 And ppl still hate our wonderful club :(
you have to admit bundesliga is quite underrated !
Nope. It's rated quite alright.
They have only Bayern and Dortmund and Dortmund haven't challenged them for 3-4 years till now it's a 2 team league
@DIVYALATHA A/P SASIKUMAR - hummels is from bayern academy who came back to his home.. Stuttgart is gonna relegated so it is obvious player like him will move to another club..kimmich came to bayern from 2nd Division as well..others are just like big teams do usually..like van dijk mane and lot more came Liverpool from Southampton
@DIVYALATHA A/P SASIKUMAR - i mean pavard from Stuttgart
@DIVYALATHA A/P SASIKUMAR - what is the problem of a club buying players?
Bayern Munich had a golden era in the late 90´s/ early 2000´s (With players like Kahn Elber Matthäus Scholl Effenberg and many more)
Bayern Munich had an average team with some exceptions from 2003 to 2007 (Lahm, Schweinsteiger establishing themselves, some great strikers like Makaay or Luca Toni)
Bayern Munich was revamping the team from 2007 to 2010 (Robbery incoming Klopp doing Klopp things with Dortmund, Bayern got "angry")
Bayern Munich adding a few key players to their Team from 2013 to 2017 (lewandowski, Thiago, Hummels, Alonso, Vidal, Kimmich, Coman)
Bayern Munich at the end of an era from 2017 to 2018 (Robbery way past their 30´s/ Lahm, Alonso, Schweinsteiger gone or retired)
Bayern Munich in transition from 2018 to 2019 (Robberys last seasons/ Hummels Vidal leaving the club)
Bayern Munich is the best team in the world from 2020 to XXXX (Davies, Gnabry, Sane, Süle, Pavard, Goretzka established in the team)
Championsleague History:
late 90´s/early 2000´s: Two finals, one Trophy
Mid/late 2000´s: Arsenal Level ("I want that French guy on the left and that Dutch guy on the right and we call it "Robbery" ... perfect")
2010 to 2013: Three finals, one Trophy
2014-2019: Four Semi-Finals, one 1/8, one 1/16
2020: XXXXX
More or less accurate history of the club from the late 90´s, u´re welcome! A Special thanks goes to Jürgen Klopp, he more or less single handedly pushed the Bayern board to build up a monster of a team.
Nice brief history of Bayern. Bayern is certainly a great club, very fan and player orientated , KHR and Uli Hoeness taking executive positions ( now Kahn)
Der klassiker is coming up!
Can we get that "roots of the rivarly" video now? 😂😂
I wrote this comment before finishing this video 😓
lmao
I am asking him for AGES!!
My opinion as a BVB-Fan from Germany since my childhood: The only mentionable rivalry which contains Borussia Dortmund is the rivalry with the once befriended FC Schalke 04 which turned into pure hatred. Schalke is called for example FC Meineid (in english: FC perjury) for a reason. Calling Schalke as Schalke is a "Lord Voldemort"-thing, because most BVB-Fans don't call Schalke Schalke and in most cases you will be seen as an honourless BVB-Fan. Even the 04 is avoided with 03+1. "Der Klassiker" is just a pure marketing-attempt to copy "El Clasico" (the name got popular in 2013, because of the CL-Final) and in some way a made up thing besides FC Bayern-Fans because there is no real "by-heart-rival" in Bundesliga since 1860 Munich got relegated in 2004.
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I see Dortmound vs Schalke as more of the Bundesliga classic game rather than this one but I guess there the closes to challenge Bayern?
Yes we are the closest team that can actually challenge Bayern in Bundesliga. We fall most of the time when we try to stand up but still never gonna give up. Let's hope for an exciting match tomorrow!
WE WILL WIN TOMORROW !!!!!!!
i hope
Dortmund vs Schalke is a Derby, this is a rivalry. There's a lot of other heated derbies
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@@SaskeR11 Rip, good luck tho I have major respect for dortmund
So we're not gonna call it roots to the rivalry but rather seeds to the competition, right?
we helped dortmund from bankrupt but we are still evil wow
Just a minor heads up - the "c" in Rosicky's name is pronounced like "ts" (in general that's how they pronounce this letter in Slavic languages unless there's a symbol above it or in case of Polish when it's together with "z", "cz", then it's "ch"). Either way it's definitely not "k", pretty much ever. Not gonna lie though, your pronunciation of player & club names is excellent in most cases. Must be that multi-lingual background!
Keep up the excellent content, I watch your vids as soon as I see them :)
An English speaking person who actually cares about the Bundesliga. Wow. Miracles do happen.
Soccer! I do too, I thought many would be interested in it
Mate I am a living example of an english speaking person caring about the bundesliga
He only cares about it because it's a part of his series "Roots of the Rivalry" and that he supports a team which is in a league that has produced only 5 to 6 winners throughout the History so occasionally looks into other leagues because of Boredom.😂
Red Devil No. I have a genuine interest in football history around the world. That's why I did a Roots of the Rivalry on India's biggest derby, Argentina's, and have more historic videos coming up on the fall of Nottingham Forest, etc.
Well... this comment wasn't received very well. I guess it was really ignorant. My bad.
FC Bayern has helped several clubs in Germany struggling financially. Most recently 1860 who got 30 million (THIRTY MILLION!) which freed them financially of their Allianz Arena ties and allowed them to return to the Grünwalder Stadion while making a handsome profit in the process. FCB
And there are still some who think we're evil smh 🤦♂️
Great video about this two giants, really shows how healthy competion and respect brings benefits to clubs and people.
Glad I could help you a little bit! :D
Come on, Dortmund! Make it 2 for 2 this season
I'm so happy coz my fav football club is DORTMUND :)
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Could you do a Roots a rivalry about Olympique Lyonnais and Saint-Etienne ?, it's probably the best French Rivalry before PSG-Marseille
Yet
No one cares about the farmers league.
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 Don’t generalise yourself as the whole world.
Anybody else just automatically smashes the like button before the video begins because you already know that Adrian just keeps releasing quality videos?
FC Bayern in Person of Ulli Höneß also helped St. Pauli and the local rival, 1860 München when the financial Situation was bad.
Sucsess is everything for Bayern but they have also an Obligation for diversity in German Football. Danke
Can we get rivalry in Mexico next
Altas vs Chivas is so strong that one year Chivas was destroying Altas that the goalkeeper asked for a magazine and was reading the for the rest of the game. The next game Altas defeats Chivas and the Altas fans throw magazine at the goalkeepers
when was this?
Hey Adrian, Guillem Ballague resently mentioned the agreement between UEFA and the club association that runs till 2024, and how this agreement running out would change the landscape of football. It would be an interesting topic for a video.
I would love to see Barca and Real fans treat each other like Bayern and dortmund fans do!
This is why I am in love with the bundesliga
Panathinaikos Olympiacos Greek biggest rivalry
Επιτέλους και ένας άλλος
late to clip but havent seen anyone mention about rivalry in names:
- Borussia - latin name for Prussia (German state in north)
- Bayern - german name for Bavario (German kingdom in south)
There was long history between those two etc.....
new sub, interesting story. insightful perspective
Exciting topic and a good way to show the new upcoming (approx. last 10-12 years) rivalry between these two clubs in Germany.
The big emotions developed during the period of Jürgen Klopp, before teams like Gladbach, Kaiserslautern or Werder Bremen had at least the same reivalry level to Bayern as well. There was no extra special relationship between Dortmund and Bayern Munich. The special emotions developed the last 10 years because Media also tried to hype that game. The german media also became proud to have one very special game like other countries. So they started to call it "German Classico" related to the spanish/argentinian Classico.
97's Champions League team was already very expensive and Borussia Dortmund spent already too much money to get some players like Reuter, Riedle, Sammer, Möller, Kohler back to Germany. They all played abroad (most of them in Italy) the years before. During that time the italian league was like the Premier League today. That cost a lot of money already and Ottmar Hitzfeld explained in a video once: "In the final 97 i felt already that the club spent more than they really had. There was so much internal pressure to win that game". At least they did :D
So financial challenges started already during that time and in 2004 (after they spent again a lot of money for the league title in 2002, [Rosicky, Amoroso, Evanilson, Ewerthon, Koller etc.) german public recognized that the club has a dept of approx. 125 Mio. Euros. During that time, that was a crazy amount of money.
Uli Hoeness nowadays talks about that loan of 2Mio. Euros and Watzke agreed that there were money transactions between Bayern and Dortmund within 2-3 months during that time. If it's 2 Mio. or less he never confirmed. During that time Dortmund wasn't able to pay the players salaries, so the teams also organized a friendly game between Bayern and Dortmund to create some extra money for the club. All the earnings they made during that game, Bayern Munich left for Borussia Dortmund.
Directly after a big Borussia Dortmund press-conference in german television in 2004, the club had huge challenges to survive in german professional football. But before Klopp started his dream period and reinvented the club, the dutch coach Bert van Marwijk helped Borussia Dortmund surviving in Bundesliga for 2-3 years by doing a great job with almost no good player :D Most of them were out of the youth academy but not because they liked to do it, there was no alternative. Afterwards Bernd Krauss and Thomas Doll had a very bad performance so that the club decided to start new with Jürgen Klopp in summer 2008.
Jürgen Klopp reinvented the whole attitutde and academy system of the club and together with new ambitious people and thoughts Borussia Dortmund went back to the top of the League. But the whole years between the bought and the believed success were very long.
Today there is a bigger rivalry but still Bayern Munich is much bigger than Borussia Dortmund. Bayern has twice the revenue of Borussia Dortmund and the city Munich offers much more financial support opportunities than the region of Northrhein-Westfalia and Dortmund. The only detail Bayern benefits from if Dortmund has a strong team, is that through the rivalry Bayern normally also gets a stronger team, is pushed by the enemy and in that way Bayern is also more successful in Europe. The next upcoming enemy for Bayern Munich in Germany will be RB Leipzig.
Nice video and the same style about the idealistic of Johann Cruyff, connected with his academy ideas of Ajax Amsterdam and La Masia in Barcelona would be amazing. How much Cruyff had an impact on these ideas. Or Alex Ferguson and his success in Aberdeen and Manchester :-) Go on and good luck :-)
Great video bro. Can you do a roots of rivalries on Chivas v america
You look like Matteo Darmian mate.
definitely enjoyed this video. i had no idea about this. To the point about dortmund helping bayern get better can clearly be seen by dortmund just handing some of there best players to bayern. ie lewandowski and a would be world cup winner gotze
Awesome video, as always 😉
Benfica with that plus 38 million
You'd think with the biggest population in Western Europe and biggest football attendances that Germany would have more competitive teams
Thanks for doing this video, really do appreciate it. But isn't there maybe perhaps more to the history and/or how the 2 teams started? Not complaining or anything I'm just trying to know more about these teams.
A lot of people think this is a roots of the rivalry video, but it's not. It's not part of the same series, it's just looking at how Dortmund almost went bankrupt, and from that point in time on. 🙂
Ultimate form of humiliation...
I didn’t know Adrian was on WatchMojo 😭
Ahh you really are spoiling us with content this week 😀 #weekofadrian
Somewhere around 2:00 you pronounced Angela wrong...
It's An-ga-la... Sort of
It's okay.. not slamming you for it.. your videos are great
you got a very good point there: a Rival for the Championship and the DFB-Pokal is very important for Bayern. Sadly Dortmund is the only one that can kinda keep up with Bayern. That is one reason why Bayern cant keep up with Europes finest clubs anymore. That.. and the S***load of money English clubs get from their TV-Deal!
Bayern makes me puke
pff yeah right, why?
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it's insane how many new supporters this season, all cuz they're having a good season ironically they were all Schalke fans last season and RB Liepzig 2 seasons ago. I wonder who's they'll support next season while we keep smashing the league, we're gonna win it this season believe me
Digging your videos. Keep up the good work.
Do chivas vs. Club America Roots of the rivalry edition
Please do a George Ucar Chitalu video, he is not recognised as a world top scorer in a year calendar. In the history of football.
PLZ EUROPA LEAGUE PREDICTIONS PLZ 😡. It’s not hard 😩. PLZ 😤
BTW ! Can u do the rivalry of PSG and Marseille 😇
I think Napoli, Villarreal, Frankfurt and Chelsea will go through.
Red Devil, I love you............. no homo : )
Unless ur a girl 😘👉🏾👌🏾
@@napolifanboy2061 Napoli are gonna get smacked lol🤣
Nayshawn Mcfarlane, Get smacked ! ARE U MAD 🤦🏾♂️ BOY WE GONNA KNOCK ARSENAL OUT 🤣
@@user-is8fw9pv1s No
Bayern cherry picked alot of Dortmunds talent later on. There was a clear motive behind their 'generosity' all along
i knew this from fifa 14s commentary
As a Bayern Fan I agree Dortmund has done a lot for us and even if I find their suppporters rather annoying I always want them to get better (obviosuly not as good as Bayern) and toute for them in Europe. German Football needs them if BVB is weak than Bayern automatically becomes weaker and League Triumphs become even more meaningless
Do Porto vs Benfica
The reason bvb fans hate munich is because munich fans and management are extremely arrogant.
The reason munich fans hate bvb fans and management is because some (in the bvb case not all) are hypocrites who always have a big mouth and say they're better and will win the bundesliga title.
Either way. Munich is one of the most hated clubs in germany, while bvb is one of the most loved ones(together with mönchengladbach and freiburg). I never meet a single munich fan who wasn't bragging and arrogant about munich and general football.
Great video you got a new fan 🙂
Welcome!
Love ur work
All this background is fascinating. Bayern recently signed a young Canadian from Edmonton Alberta where I live. His name is Alphonso Davies.
Amazing how many think Bayern saved Dortmund. Good gesture and all, but only a dent in the debt.
Please do a roots of the rivalry for the Revierderby BVB vs. Schalke.
@RabonaTV Could you do roots of the rivalry, but it's The Prague Derby? We've had three darbies this season only! And one more, the final match in this season, is coming at the end of the May! Long live Slavia, death to Sparta
Ayyy early squad!!
Quality video! I thought I remembered Bayern’s loan being public at the time, but I was like 7, so could totally have misremembered! I also don’t think Merkel is a Bayern fan, I think she’s just a smart politician who understands that the southern Bavaria region is here political base and the people there are pretty much universally Bayern fans. I also remember her proclaiming she was a Bayern fan after they hired Jürgen Klinsmann bc of what he did during the 06 World Cup, but obviously that only lasted 8 months
The Dortmund Bankruptcy Kinda Remember Me Of Benfica Bankruptcy
Like any rational human being, I hate Bayern but I have to admit them donating 2 mil without telling the public is amazing.
Good one bro
Hello Adrian.
Hi!
The Bundesliga is the only top league where a rival can help out another rival in that way. This would NEVER happen in England!
Loan 2 Million to Dortmund and later get Lewandowski without transfer fee? Sounds like an awesome Return on Investment for me
Bayern pulls the strings in Bundesliga since its inception, Juventus has now learned how.
You’re just too good
Notification squad 😀 👍🏻
Its Bayern vs. Borussia (lat. Prussia), but since noone knows what Borussia means noone sees this as the reason...
very short and no exact explanation
but many things are right 😉💪
Germany needs competition like EPL.
For a homosexual mexican this guy sure knows his stuff! Subscribed
Can You Do Liga MX Roots of the Rivalry?
Atlas vs Chivas
Chivas vs América
America vs Crúz Ázul
América vs Pumas
& even the smaller teams like
Monterrey vs Tigres 😂😂😂
❤️ 💛🖤
I'm a bayern fan but I want Dortmund to win
Blazer RAV Awful Bayern fan.
@@siphiwetshabalala3437 not awful, we want our league to be great again, its boring to watch our club winning the tittle in March, anyway this season is a complete disaster, so let be it throw the end xD. Hope we lose to Werder Bremen or Leipzig in the DFB Pokal as well, and we can finally hope for some world class transfers!
@@efrosvovelu9076 I love Bayern , i'd have traded this years Bundesliga title for the Champions League , i would've loved to see Bayern lift the CL and Dortmund lift the Bundesliga , but now since they're out of the toughest competition , Bayern need to secure both Bundesliga and the DFB Pokal , no room for compassion.
Bundesliga title is the most important to us german fans. What kind of bullshit is that.
NOTI GANG. WE OUT HEREEEEEEEE
For me personally the biggest game in the Bundesliga was Bremen vs Hamburg :3
Also known as the Nordderby.
yeah 'was' but now the clock isnt counting anymore :D
😂😅
angela merkel and bayern munich???? hahahahahahahahahaha that joke
Yes, there are political, cultural and religious differences between the two regions.
Make a video about HSV-St Pauli
6:16-6:23 one word Klopp
Best rivalry is AIK vs djurgården
Read the BVB book, there is the whole Story 💛👍💛🖤💛🖤💛🖤
Can you do a "roots of the rivalry" for al-ahly vs al-zamalek. It is quite possibly the biggest arab/african rivalry match. It doesn't get much recognition in the west
Susi Hoeneß the wife of club boss Uli Hoeneß still holds 5000 shares of Borussia Dortmund. And please don't call this game the "German Classico". It is emberassing😂
What most people forget to mention when they Talk about Dortmund is that BVB is the Club with the most right Wing Fans in the Bundesliga
Why no ajax - feyenoord in roots of
Guest only in Germany. Imagine Celtic helping Rangers or Barcalona pulling out Real Madrid. Even countries from lesser powerhouse like Turkey or Greece wouldn't be caught dead doing this.
Liverpool and City have helped United before.
German football is only represented by Bayern and Dortmund
RB Leipzig (may they burn into the ground) turned up in the Europa League and did somewhat well, sorta.
Night Fury Rb Leipzig got knocked out by Celtic and Rb Salzburg in the group stages
Merkel is a Dortmund fan
Hello!
Bavaria vs Prussia
You want some good roots of the rivalry involving german stuff, look up how one of Athletico Paranaense's former presidents blew the whistle on Coritiba's mostly German fan base operating as a Fifth Column during World War II in Brazil in the middle of a Atletiba hahahah.
Think, If this happen with Barcelona Madrid will help??
Angela Merkel a high profile conservative? She's as left wing as you can get
Wasn't she the leader of the CDU which is centre-right? That's what all of my research pointed towards, despite her shifting more recently.
Rabona TV Centre-right doesn't equate to conservative, the CDU is a liberal democratic party, much like the Democrats from the US, ie: Obama and Hillary, a good example of high profile conservative would be Donald Trump, someone Merkel didn't support both in beliefs and in political manners.
@@GStefanes_ Merkel isn't left wing. She still isn't supporting gay marriage for instance.
And Trump isn't conservative. He just says whatever pleases his supporters, who are right wing.
SoLazy100 Still being the key word, and like opening their borders for everyone isn't leftist enough, Trump is indeed a conservative, he just shows less of his actual views because some are considered to be too "extreme" by today standards
@@GStefanes_ She didn't really open the borders. They are open. That's what Schengen is. They still protect the european outside borders though.
Trump is about as conservative as Hillary Clinton and Angela Merkel. They are opportunists and not much else. Whatever secures power.
50+1 rule is a load of bullshit.
Bayern is a bavarian club, and it mostly is the only bavarian in the bundesliga, and it is a club based on culture and also has to do with catholicism and conservatism
Hey kudos to Rabona for building a great channel but in this video you are completely not in your topic. There are so many things at the beginning where you explain the history of the rivalry that just weird. Why do you mention Evanilson instead of Amoruso who was by then by far the most expensive transfer in Bundesliga history. Dortmund is not really a social democratic club. Many of their Ultra fans are known to be flat out Neo Nazis and Dortmund can not be seen as the representative of the state NRW. There are simply too many Bundesliga clubs from that state that it doesn’t matter anymore that they are in that state. A Leverkusen Or Gladbach Fans doesn’t give a damn that they are in the same state. But anyway you are doing a great job
I want to know why do they switch players so often?
hummels wanted to go back to his hometown,and go back to bvb after bayern signed pavard and hernandez.
lewandowski was a free transfer and bayern quickly signed him due to departure of mandzukic.
gotze,i don't really know why bayern signed him,because guardiola brought thiago..i feel bad for gotze tbh,imagine if he stay at bvb,they could win another bundesliga or ucl final again.
Basically 17 teams are feeder teams for Bayern, not surprising