Surprised as I listen to this talk! Just sitting with the "I am," it eventually disappears and one is left in that vast emptiness/vastness...... the Absolute. Maharaj emphasizes the earnestness that is necessary for stabilizing in this understanding. That is all. The practice is simple and takes us to the Absolute. Stabilizing depends on each one us honoring / prioritizing the understanding. Indeed, NOTHING ELSE matters. He has helped thousands on the journey. I am one of them. Eternally grateful.
Also about the 'hard and solid, solid mass, rock hard...' awareness...' statements.. In Buddhism you can see bellow every picture of a Buddha there is aDharma wheel or a double Vajra (double diamond) symbol. Also Buddha Sakyamuni many times has a touching earth hand mudra gesture on the pictures.... All these state in symbolical way the solid as a diamond, as Earth... state of perfect Awakening or Enlightenment. A feeling of that when you reach it.... Buddhism uses diamond hardness, a double diamond, an Earth for this solideness while Maharaja in his language uses a solid stone... Maharaj is an amazing teacher! Certainly knows what he is talking about and what real awakening is.
So very grateful to you my new friend. You are showing (pointing : ) to a more precise manner into the actual “how” of sitting with the I AM…I know I was directed to find you, because my heart 🔥 wants this more than anything else in life.
Mark, I am same as you. I don't care about anything more than this. A teacher with very direct directions on what to do to see for yourself is Helen Hamilton (here on RUclips). No flowery ambiguous talks. Just direct exercises that have rocketed me forward in this endeavor. I spent may years listening to other very good teachers, but still struggled. Helen is simple and direct. Great for bypassing confusion. ❤ ❤
My first time at this channel and must say i really enjoyed the insightful talk and discussion. For several months i've been studying the teaching of Nisargadatta by videos, books and practice... At times i felt that i was on to something that would eliminate the "seeker" and the resting in the "sense of I am" felt so effortless, natural and refreshing... A sense of silent presence seemed to be growing in consciousness that permeated activities... At 72 yrs of age was surprised that i was witnessing how this sense of Source appeared to guide me doing ordinary things such as cooking or doing simple householder chores... The "person" that i always thought i was asked why these new short cuts suddenly were being revealed and the old dog was learning new tricks, but something was just nodding inwardly and accepting it as being in harmony with nature and the "natural Self". Yet i'm not 100% convinced that as followers of Nisargadatta claim there is no reincarnation... Seems to me he admitted in so many words that the mind and desire to continue as a "person" would be what could create a seeming continuity in the dream we call life. Same for "karma", it would be created by the mind using memory, guilt, sense of deserving, etc... Not dealt out by God or the source but a product of the mind and false self, feelings of "deserving" be so called good or bad karma. As far as the appearance mentioned of N.M. not having any students who "got it", there is one i had heard of but only recently found on youtube.. Sailor Bob Adamson in Melbourne Australia who spent a year in what was then Bombay with N.M . Bob today is 92 or 93 yrs of age and in 1974 when he was with N.M. he was older than most of those who attended the lectures... He seems to have "got it" in my opinion but in recent years due to physical body aging, his voice has become faint... This one video from 2015 however has good audio if anyone wants to listen he describes in his own way what he "got" (although he never admits to having got it) from his time with N.M. It has CC if his accent is a problem and he does sort of mumble, but somehow he gets the points across better than most... It appears that he never charged for meetings he has conducted 3 times per week for years nor for private sessions but simply wanted to share the pointings... Total time is 34 minutes. He has many videos his channel (shown below the video) but as mentioned this is one of the clearest to understand his pronunciation imo. You can also slow the speed down to 0.75 if that helps. ruclips.net/video/YvRCF0nBWIw/видео.html
Thank you for your moving testimony. I completely agree with your comments about Karma and reincarnation. As for reincarnation I think he was referring to what we might call "the enlightened". NM is not coming back, that is for sure, but then again he never left and I think that is what he meant about reincarnation -- never born, never died. Wollinsky misunderstands him in this because he is very pedantic and he takes one sentence and makes a meal of it. I also agree NM talks about karma in many different ways and he looked at karma as something universal the same way he looked at the whole universe "causing" everything that happened to happen. Less stress on individual karma because, again, less stress on the individual but traditional Hindu teachings do consider the karma of the samskaras, not so much the direct cause and effect of a human's conduct or accomplishments, which is obviously reasonable interpretation. It takes our own Self to make the world turn just as the world turns us. That is advaita vedanta without all the Western accommodations. Namaste. See you there.
@@garypuckettmuse Thanks... Just trying to reconcile the discrepancy between, say Ramana M. who stated that the cow that would come to the ashram to just be close to him daily (name was Laksmi i believe) was a reincarnation from his past.. He also stated she and his mother were the only 2 that were free from future incarnations... Then i come across so many spin offs of Nisargadatta's teaching, mostly from those who liked the Ramesh version, who flat out claim there is no reincarnation whatsoever... Yet they really can't seem to prove it other to themselves and what they want to believe to fit the narrative... i see it as a way of just tossing all responsibility to the wind and living as if there are no consequences... After all, we are not the do-er, Source is and we are like puppets just watching thoughts arise and actions play out... That may be true but on one level but this jiva needs a bridge... No wonder non-duality isn't recommended for those with depression... All they hear is life is meaningless and when you die it's over... "Life is hard and then you die." lol
@@Avisado Hmmm . . .thanks for the response. I personally am not so moved by Ramana as many are but the main thing I wanted to say here is that Ramesh is pretty close to despised by people who consider themselves real students of Nisargadatta as being a fake and a fraud and using Nisargadatta's name. When he translated for Nisargadatta he did a terrible job -- but understand Nisargadatta was basically getting free translators for two or three sessions every day and he spoke Marathi which not everyone does, so . . .at any rate, people who talked to Ramesh when he was translating for Niz said he always basically said "I'm just here to translate I don't know what's going on . . .(sort of thing)." His "interpretations" of Nisargadatta have nothing at all to do with his teachings, IMHO. He grabbed half a phrase out of a Christian Bible "Thy will be done" and that is his calling card but he leaves off "on Earth as it is in Heaven." Ramesh has turned that into some sort of nihiliam and that was not Niz at all! Niz preached living a very clean life and preparing oneself -- he was very traditional vedanta. No "party on" thing at all. In fact he was very serious about how people should basically stop doing everything except what they were obligated to do which I considered his bow to burning up karma. But I digress . . .Ramesh talks gibberish IMHO And none of it has a whit to do with Niz anyway. He's a smooth talker; I listened to some of his talks but slowly realized "hey wait a minute what am I listening to", you know how you do . All preachers have the gift of gab (except the silent ones, haha) but then one starts to hear what they are actually saying. Nisargadatta doesn't need any interpreters IMHO. He said what he intended to convey and he left no "successors" per se and his lineage was wandering mendicants who preached to householders and when one dropped off the area someone else picked it up. So who is Ramesh? He's just a guy who gets dinner invitations because he knew a celebrity, IMHO. I don't take him for a serious person. And, yes, people do talk about transmission by in-person contact but that's not something that is passed through people. You either got that gift or not so . . .For me, I saw Nisargadatta on video and I instantly fell in love with him, real guru love. At 70 years old having never sought out a guru or even wanted a teacher in fifty years. I always followed my own instincts. Then Nisargadatta! When he talks he is singing the song of my self.
Both Ramana and Nisargadatta still live. They are both the absolute but they continue as individual souls grounded in the absolute. Many do not know that the individual consciousness, that is sometimes called the soul, does not die. It transforms and matures, and develops further capacities and ways of realization. For the awakened, the absolute is home but one can roam the spiritual universe discovering new secrets and benefiting beings in many places. I am not sure whether Nisargadatta was familiar with the individual soul, which is the vicegerent of the absolute, its organ of experience. But I think Ramana was. They probably have already met, and learnt from each other. For each has a unique realization of the absolute. The soul is not the separate individual, but an expression of the absolute nature as an individual being, not separate from the absolute.
Point of light is a single point in the space which is having extremely bright white (but soothing) light filling entire space by moon light. This is my experience.
@@aquietsky "PERFECT BRILLIANT STILLNESS by David Carse" 12 hour video on youtube. Watch it and nothing exists that is known. Absolute IS "I Silenced" Stillness is no thought, no time, no space, or Parabrahman.
The more someone tries to explain the infinite the more people become confused .This is why Ramana Maharshi kept things very simple and child like and had very little to say.He knew that mentally ,man would never get it. Reminds me of the saying ,"ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth". Ramanas suggestion is simply to hold on to the one thought,"I am that" ,merge into it and be done with it. And realize it or not, You are "That" and there is nothing more to do .No further teaching is necessary.
At 48:15 it is written that M. Frydman had been recognized as having fully realized the teachings, but I do not see how Nisargadatta had indicated that. If F had fully realized, would he have needed to be told that he did? Hardly likely. I would agree he had partially realized, to be prudent. Nor, did Nis. appoint him to continue the lineage; why not, if he had fully realized? I do not mean to diminish Frydman's nobility, which is incontrovertible. He never taught, or wrote in his own name, to my knowledge.
He mentioned of a Canadian who realized his teaching. We don't know who he was. It does work otherwise he wouldn't have bothered! Sat sang = communion of Truth
Maharaj's teaching is closely related to nondual Shaiva tantra, in fact uses a similar view. So is Bhagavan Ramana's teaching, in some different respects, though both are intertwined with the Shaiva view. Ramana is closer to Adi Shankaracharya's approach. Look into TantrAloka or Vijnana-bhairava tantra, or Shiva sutra texts for closer understanding of these similarities.
This video really helped me understand some of the subtle points of this great man. Would you ever consider giving us your take on Ken Wilber and Huang Po?
Saat-Chitt-Ananda mentioned in Dialogues as I AM THAT. Saat = Existence - Existing (Here & Now) ; Chitta = Consciousness - Knowing ; Ananda = Bliss - Happiness (Loving-Kindness) Sanskrit meaning of Saat-Chitt-Ananda.
Aum, Sri Nisargadatta, master. Like DMT plants amid ordinary plants. Nothing ever happens . Anger is a body concept; when ignorance confronts Reality, ignorance reflects emotion; but they belong to the listener. Abidance in the Absolute ( even Awareness gets dissolved ) ; my home, my Birthplace. That point of light IS what occurs before the pressure that creates diamonds happens: you are not the diamond ( the body) nor the pressure ( the I am ); prior to that. From That Point of view see the Waking & deep sleep states. Beyond all states. Jai Guru.
Then why didn't they talk about a rapidly moving speck of intense light? Of course, they could got the teaching, but Its like that they don't explain the teaching to people perfectly.
@@theonenessoftime330 can you be sure ‘they’ don’t talk about the light? I have heard Nirgun John talk about it in one of his videos. Also what do you mean by they don’t teach people perfectly?
@@catherinepalmer6955 Most of the spiritual traditions and teachers talk about light. In Buddhism, there is Nimitta. In my country, there are so many methods talking about light. But there is a difference between 'a rapidly moving speck of intense light' and others. I will appreciate if you show the video to us.
@@catherinepalmer6955 If the important factor in spiritual practice is missing, how can we say he or she teaches properly. If his disciples teach the light properly then its good 👍
@@theonenessoftime330 ultimately whether there’s a rapidly moving light or not Nisagardatta Maharaj describes the Absolute as ‘Nothing perceivable or Conceivable’. If there’s a perceiver, that’s not it.
I assume that NM meant with the solidity of awareness the fact that it is an uninterrupted “medium”. It goes through all matter, animate or inanimate matter. It cannot (be) split. And all objects and subjects take on a certain shape within this uninterrupted medium. This medium penetrates everything and everybody, is just another way of explaining it. Another analogy is that this awareness is like the ocean and all the objects and subjects have a particular shape in this ocean, but when one has an enlightenment experience, one sees that all is made of the same medium/essence. But it doesn’t look like the water in the ocean. The medium of Reality cannot be described. One can only experience Reality when one is one with Reality, in the state of Samadhi.
@@DiamondApproach I am not criticizing your look at what NM might have meant. I only wanted to add my own look at it, because I had the experience, now three times in my life, or I have at least come close three times. The feeling of oneness with everything and the vanishing of the sensations of the physical body is - in my case - always the starting point. Where I do have some criticism or call it frustration, with people who have been known as sages, saints or even permanently realized people is that what they have said or what they have told (and written down by other people) is a amalgamation of knowledge that has to be taken as literally as possible while on the other hand they have also said things that are meant metaphorically or even they just used strong terms in an attempt to drive their point home how wonderfully (different) the state is from regular life (maya). I wish that they or their writers would have been a lot clearer on that. If I talk about my own account, I sometimes emphasize that I am not talking metaphorically, that my words should be interpreted as literally as possible, although they remain pointers. But, I can also imagine that if you are permanently enlightened that the desirelessness doesn’t allow the enlightened person to put in much effort to explain, despite their life long help. I continue to have doubts on whether being permanently enlightenment is possible or not. Even Ramana Maharshi was “afraid” when two of his devotees approached him, because their devotion was so deep, he could not resist their pleas… that is what I heard David Godman explains once. And you explain that Nisargadatta Maharaj felt or seemed to feel frustration because he couldn’t get his message across or couldn’t make people experience the state he was in or he couldn’t convince people of what he said, which to him understanding-with-conviction was enough to reach enlightenment. Let me end with another take on why NM might have called his awareness rock-solid. So in my own understanding there could be two reasons. I personally think this is a possible better explanation than the first one that I gave. When I started doing what NM (but also similarly Ramana Maharshi) prescribed as the method to reach enlightenment, there were times that when I focused on this sense of “I Am” that I was so anchored in on that sense, I could be doing anything, the overwhelming part of my attention would go to the sense of being. I will add that I was in no means in a state of Samadhi. In my limited experience with samadhi, I am incapable of doing anything. I am just nailed to the ground basically and I understand why people would be incapable or far less capable/inclined of responding to their environment. It is an interesting topic and I could go on. So I hope I cleared some things up and where I have - as an ego - criticism on these gurus or the people who wrote down what a guru said without further questioning the meaning of his/her words. But since we are not making up our own thoughts, this is how it is supposed to have happened :-). Everything is perfect … at all times … even if the understanding or the explanation doesn’t properly convey what was meant. We are in a process whereby we experience change, but when we arrive at the end, at enlightenment, we experience with full conviction we have never made any progress. The beginning and the end (of our real nature) has never been improved by our lives (in the mind). Our real nature is so perfect, nothing about it can be improved, not even the experience of life. The “beginning and end of our real nature” is an example of how my mind attempts to explain that there is no change/improvement whatsoever by whatever we do. Doing is not being and our beingness will be forever Perfect or timelessly Perfect if you prefer that word. That is why there is no real reason to anything we are doing. Meaning only has value in the mind, in our not-enlightened lives. Looking for meaning is similar to judgment. The enlightened state is freedom from EVERYTHING, every notion of morality. But let me add: in the enlightened state: everything is “judged/experienced” as complete full perfection, even wars, people’s heads being cut off. It is all part of the one big perfect show that is played out so that we realize what we are. Just as NM said: the manifested universe - while not being able to represent our true unfathomable nature - is nevertheless of the utmost importance, because it shows us what we are. I will try to end :-) with the following because I feel it is very important and I never really read it somewhere as an example of the non-duality part also. So the oneness of everything is experienced because you see/feel (experience) everything is made of the same essence, but the part I would like to add which to me is also an aspect of non-duality is that an enlightenment experience allows you to experience two opposite insights with equal conviction. You could experience “total-knowing” and a few seconds later you are in a “total not-knowing” state. Both experiences, no matter how opposing they are, are equally convincing and true. To me, this is one of the examples that Reality is omnipotent. Omnipotency allows for Omniscience but also Total Oblivion. But you could equally say that Omniscience allows for Omnipotency but of course also Total Oblivion. There is no cause and effect. Everything is a cause and everything is an effect. But you can put holes in my words because there are at the final verdict, just words, just attempts at expressing the oneness of everything. In the end, the mind is made to choose, to judge and that is why it experiences life the way it does. Awareness experiences life in its perfect fullness, free from all desires, therefore free from all fears, and therefore full of love.Where there is fear, there can’t be (pure) love. And yet, I still have a lot of questions … and I remain amazed and feel utterly stupid despite my own experiences … because I returned to my ego (mind) with only has questions after questions … Questions lead only to misunderstanding, so I agree wholeheartedly with the teaching “be quiet”. In silence there is no misunderstanding and we just have to trust these teachers that the silence will provide all answers, because it removes mind/doubts. Unlearning is what happens. New learnings from the right gurus removes old (classic) teachings and finally the guru’s teachings have to be thrown in the garbage as well, because they were also just merely attempts of expressing the inexpressible true nature of ourselves
To understand the rocklike solidity that NM talked about as the usual ocean of consciousness shortchanges him. He really meant rocklike hardness. It is one way of experiencing pure awareness. the more common way as a medium of transparent light. But this has no density or hardness. The rocklike hardness is another way of recognizing the indestructibility of the absolute. It is actually when the absolute is non conceptual in a more fundamental way, that we don't even have the concept of awareness. I see this immense density of his experience of himself as the absolute as behind the fierceness that characterized his communications.
@@AbdulAli-rf1iv that is what I meant earlier when I said, that it cannot be split. That was one of my ways of saying it is indestructible. You bring back a memory of my last experience. In this state of oneness, there is no need to move your-true-essence, because “everything else” is just the same. “What you are made of” and what the rest is made of, is just the same. That essence is everywhere, so how could there be a concept as movement IF we talk about the one overall Reality? Movement can only become a concept or an experience, when a “part of the whole Reality” is introduced, so when a part can shift itself from point A to point B. But the whole of Reality has no means/no desire/no need to move the whole. It is like an endless ocean, there are no shores (metaphor!). I am going to finish with a quote from NM: without words, what is there to understand. And I will add to it: with words, there is only misunderstanding. Like this conversation thread is showing (partially) :-)
No, both analogies are wrong. Unmoved or solid or impenetrable means no further movement, every thing come to the end, nothing (experience or consciousness observation) can go beyond that which is like to see another side of a wall who another side is not there at all.
Hello, you are doing a nice work. It certainly is helpful for some people to get some sense of spirituality.and inspiration. I like it too. But although it is obvious you have experiences and your interpretations are a wonderful breakdown of teachings, you still might be unaware of saying some very wrong things. Energy of study is there but experience of deep studied knowledge you have might not be there yet to do some claims. For example Buddhism does not speak of being aware of awareness. This is completely wrong. Teaching of Non-self or of emptiness is exactly there to guide through this thinking. Not to think this way. Also have you heard the answer of a highly Buddhist accomplished master to a question "who are you?".He said "I do not know". Meaning if I analyse or step out of pure awareness and look into it I am already in awareness of this ultimate awareness. Means I am in consciousness, means I am in Duality... By the way Maharaj teaching reflect a lot what Buddha was teaching except the concept 'I am' which is more of his tool at this stage
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Surprised as I listen to this talk!
Just sitting with the "I am," it eventually disappears and one is left in that vast emptiness/vastness...... the Absolute.
Maharaj emphasizes the earnestness that is necessary for stabilizing in this understanding. That is all.
The practice is simple and takes us to the Absolute.
Stabilizing depends on each one us honoring / prioritizing the understanding.
Indeed, NOTHING ELSE matters.
He has helped thousands on the journey.
I am one of them.
Eternally grateful.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas reverend which kingdom did big bearded man up in the sky rule?
@@ReverendDr.Thomas I am vegan
@@ReverendDr.Thomas one who does not consume animal/animal products...
As the Para brahman God cannot see Himself; choiceless awareness is Supreme.
Also about the 'hard and solid, solid mass, rock hard...' awareness...' statements.. In Buddhism you can see bellow every picture of a Buddha there is aDharma wheel or a double Vajra (double diamond) symbol. Also Buddha Sakyamuni many times has a touching earth hand mudra gesture on the pictures....
All these state in symbolical way the solid as a diamond, as Earth... state of perfect Awakening or Enlightenment. A feeling of that when you reach it....
Buddhism uses diamond hardness, a double diamond, an Earth for this solideness while Maharaja in his language uses a solid stone...
Maharaj is an amazing teacher! Certainly knows what he is talking about and what real awakening is.
Namaste thankyou Thankyou Thankyou
So very grateful to you my new friend. You are showing (pointing : ) to a more precise manner into the actual “how” of sitting with the I AM…I know I was directed to find you, because my heart 🔥 wants this more than anything else in life.
जय सद्गुरू
Mark, I am same as you. I don't care about anything more than this. A teacher with very direct directions on what to do to see for yourself is Helen Hamilton (here on RUclips). No flowery ambiguous talks. Just direct exercises that have rocketed me forward in this endeavor. I spent may years listening to other very good teachers, but still struggled. Helen is simple and direct. Great for bypassing confusion. ❤
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My first time at this channel and must say i really enjoyed the insightful talk and discussion. For several months i've been studying the teaching of Nisargadatta by videos, books and practice... At times i felt that i was on to something that would eliminate the "seeker" and the resting in the "sense of I am" felt so effortless, natural and refreshing... A sense of silent presence seemed to be growing in consciousness that permeated activities...
At 72 yrs of age was surprised that i was witnessing how this sense of Source appeared to guide me doing ordinary things such as cooking or doing simple householder chores... The "person" that i always thought i was asked why these new short cuts suddenly were being revealed and the old dog was learning new tricks, but something was just nodding inwardly and accepting it as being in harmony with nature and the "natural Self". Yet i'm not 100% convinced that as followers of Nisargadatta claim there is no reincarnation... Seems to me he admitted in so many words that the mind and desire to continue as a "person" would be what could create a seeming continuity in the dream we call life.
Same for "karma", it would be created by the mind using memory, guilt, sense of deserving, etc... Not dealt out by God or the source but a product of the mind and false self, feelings of "deserving" be so called good or bad karma. As far as the appearance mentioned of N.M. not having any students who "got it", there is one i had heard of but only recently found on youtube.. Sailor Bob Adamson in Melbourne Australia who spent a year in what was then Bombay with N.M . Bob today is 92 or 93 yrs of age and in 1974 when he was with N.M. he was older than most of those who attended the lectures... He seems to have "got it" in my opinion but in recent years due to physical body aging, his voice has become faint... This one video from 2015 however has good audio if anyone wants to listen he describes in his own way what he "got" (although he never admits to having got it) from his time with N.M.
It has CC if his accent is a problem and he does sort of mumble, but somehow he gets the points across better than most... It appears that he never charged for meetings he has conducted 3 times per week for years nor for private sessions but simply wanted to share the pointings... Total time is 34 minutes. He has many videos his channel (shown below the video) but as mentioned this is one of the clearest to understand his pronunciation imo. You can also slow the speed down to 0.75 if that helps.
ruclips.net/video/YvRCF0nBWIw/видео.html
Thank you for your moving testimony. I completely agree with your comments about Karma and reincarnation. As for reincarnation I think he was referring to what we might call "the enlightened". NM is not coming back, that is for sure, but then again he never left and I think that is what he meant about reincarnation -- never born, never died. Wollinsky misunderstands him in this because he is very pedantic and he takes one sentence and makes a meal of it. I also agree NM talks about karma in many different ways and he looked at karma as something universal the same way he looked at the whole universe "causing" everything that happened to happen. Less stress on individual karma because, again, less stress on the individual but traditional Hindu teachings do consider the karma of the samskaras, not so much the direct cause and effect of a human's conduct or accomplishments, which is obviously reasonable interpretation. It takes our own Self to make the world turn just as the world turns us. That is advaita vedanta without all the Western accommodations.
Namaste. See you there.
@@garypuckettmuse Thanks... Just trying to reconcile the discrepancy between, say Ramana M. who stated that the cow that would come to the ashram to just be close to him daily (name was Laksmi i believe) was a reincarnation from his past..
He also stated she and his mother were the only 2 that were free from future incarnations... Then i come across so many spin offs of Nisargadatta's teaching, mostly from those who liked the Ramesh version, who flat out claim there is no reincarnation whatsoever... Yet they really can't seem to prove it other to themselves and what they want to believe to fit the narrative...
i see it as a way of just tossing all responsibility to the wind and living as if there are no consequences... After all, we are not the do-er, Source is and we are like puppets just watching thoughts arise and actions play out... That may be true but on one level but this jiva needs a bridge... No wonder non-duality isn't recommended for those with depression... All they hear is life is meaningless and when you die it's over...
"Life is hard and then you die." lol
@@Avisado Hmmm . . .thanks for the response. I personally am not so moved by Ramana as many are but the main thing I wanted to say here is that Ramesh is pretty close to despised by people who consider themselves real students of Nisargadatta as being a fake and a fraud and using Nisargadatta's name. When he translated for Nisargadatta he did a terrible job -- but understand Nisargadatta was basically getting free translators for two or three sessions every day and he spoke Marathi which not everyone does, so . . .at any rate, people who talked to Ramesh when he was translating for Niz said he always basically said "I'm just here to translate I don't know what's going on . . .(sort of thing)." His "interpretations" of Nisargadatta have nothing at all to do with his teachings, IMHO. He grabbed half a phrase out of a Christian Bible "Thy will be done" and that is his calling card but he leaves off "on Earth as it is in Heaven." Ramesh has turned that into some sort of nihiliam and that was not Niz at all! Niz preached living a very clean life and preparing oneself -- he was very traditional vedanta. No "party on" thing at all. In fact he was very serious about how people should basically stop doing everything except what they were obligated to do which I considered his bow to burning up karma. But I digress . . .Ramesh talks gibberish IMHO And none of it has a whit to do with Niz anyway. He's a smooth talker; I listened to some of his talks but slowly realized "hey wait a minute what am I listening to", you know how you do . All preachers have the gift of gab (except the silent ones, haha) but then one starts to hear what they are actually saying. Nisargadatta doesn't need any interpreters IMHO. He said what he intended to convey and he left no "successors" per se and his lineage was wandering mendicants who preached to householders and when one dropped off the area someone else picked it up. So who is Ramesh? He's just a guy who gets dinner invitations because he knew a celebrity, IMHO. I don't take him for a serious person. And, yes, people do talk about transmission by in-person contact but that's not something that is passed through people. You either got that gift or not so . . .For me, I saw Nisargadatta on video and I instantly fell in love with him, real guru love. At 70 years old having never sought out a guru or even wanted a teacher in fifty years. I always followed my own instincts. Then Nisargadatta! When he talks he is singing the song of my self.
Both Ramana and Nisargadatta still live. They are both the absolute but they continue as individual souls grounded in the absolute. Many do not know that the individual consciousness, that is sometimes called the soul, does not die. It transforms and matures, and develops further capacities and ways of realization. For the awakened, the absolute is home but one can roam the spiritual universe discovering new secrets and benefiting beings in many places.
I am not sure whether Nisargadatta was familiar with the individual soul, which is the vicegerent of the absolute, its organ of experience. But I think Ramana was. They probably have already met, and learnt from each other. For each has a unique realization of the absolute. The soul is not the separate individual, but an expression of the absolute nature as an individual being, not separate from the absolute.
@@garypuckettmuse have you read the Nectar of immortality? Would be interested to know your thoughts on it if you have?
Thanks dear for the information about the new perspective of nissargadutta Maharaj
This is a great video for spiritual practitioners. Thank you for sharing.
Great Guru, Avadhut, Parabrahman, Trismegistus Sri Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, Lord ❤
Point of light is a single point in the space which is having extremely bright white (but soothing) light filling entire space by moon light. This is my experience.
Wow. Thank you so much for that. I am so glad I watched this. 🙏 ✨
I am appreciative. Good job!
Sending gratitude from a Daoist monastery near Seattle! 💙☯️
One may also benefit tremendously by reading the books of his guru Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj. 🙏
@@cristovaljesusamado8455 Master of Self-Realization and Amrut Laya.
Only the ignorant read books and watch videos. I am the Unborn.
@@aquietsky "PERFECT BRILLIANT STILLNESS by David Carse" 12 hour video on youtube. Watch it and nothing exists that is known. Absolute IS "I Silenced" Stillness is no thought, no time, no space, or Parabrahman.
Also very helpful is Stephen Wolinsky, his disciple
Just started it. It is cool to see the sayings of Nisargadatta from their source and described more fully.
I truly resonated with the lady at 50:27 and would love someday to speak with her.
The more someone tries to explain the infinite the more people become confused .This is why Ramana Maharshi kept things very simple and child like and had very little to say.He knew that mentally ,man would never get it. Reminds me of the saying ,"ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth". Ramanas suggestion is simply to hold on to the one thought,"I am that" ,merge into it and be done with it. And realize it or not, You are "That" and there is nothing more to do .No further teaching is necessary.
Buddhist Heart Sutra: "Form is Emptiness and emptiness is form..."
At 48:15 it is written that M. Frydman had been recognized as having fully realized the teachings, but I do not see how Nisargadatta had indicated that. If F had fully realized, would he have needed to be told that he did? Hardly likely. I would agree he had partially realized, to be prudent. Nor, did Nis. appoint him to continue the lineage; why not, if he had fully realized? I do not mean to diminish Frydman's nobility, which is incontrovertible. He never taught, or wrote in his own name, to my knowledge.
He mentioned of a Canadian who realized his teaching. We don't know who he was.
It does work otherwise he wouldn't have bothered! Sat sang = communion of Truth
Maharaj's teaching is closely related to nondual Shaiva tantra, in fact uses a similar view. So is Bhagavan Ramana's teaching, in some different respects, though both are intertwined with the Shaiva view. Ramana is closer to Adi Shankaracharya's approach. Look into TantrAloka or Vijnana-bhairava tantra, or Shiva sutra texts for closer understanding of these similarities.
This video really helped me understand some of the subtle points of this great man. Would you ever consider giving us your take on Ken Wilber and Huang Po?
please post your question to Hameed here: online.diamondapproach.org/nisargadatta-maharajs-neglected-teachings/
Nice to get other understands
Rock like consciousness referring to the" Phiilosophers Stone" or having a stable psyche.
Saat-Chitt-Ananda mentioned in Dialogues as I AM THAT.
Saat = Existence - Existing (Here & Now) ; Chitta = Consciousness - Knowing ; Ananda = Bliss - Happiness (Loving-Kindness)
Sanskrit meaning of Saat-Chitt-Ananda.
Aum, Sri Nisargadatta, master. Like DMT plants amid ordinary plants. Nothing ever happens . Anger is a body concept; when ignorance confronts Reality, ignorance reflects emotion; but they belong to the listener. Abidance in the Absolute ( even Awareness gets dissolved ) ; my home, my Birthplace. That point of light IS what occurs before the pressure that creates diamonds happens: you are not the diamond ( the body) nor the pressure ( the I am ); prior to that. From That Point of view see the Waking & deep sleep states. Beyond all states. Jai Guru.
Stephen Wolinsky got the teaching! And I am sure they are others too.
Then why didn't they talk about a rapidly moving speck of intense light? Of course, they could got the teaching, but Its like that they don't explain the teaching to people perfectly.
@@theonenessoftime330 can you be sure ‘they’ don’t talk about the light? I have heard Nirgun John talk about it in one of his videos. Also what do you mean by they don’t teach people perfectly?
@@catherinepalmer6955 Most of the spiritual traditions and teachers talk about light. In Buddhism, there is Nimitta. In my country, there are so many methods talking about light. But there is a difference between 'a rapidly moving speck of intense light' and others. I will appreciate if you show the video to us.
@@catherinepalmer6955 If the important factor in spiritual practice is missing, how can we say he or she teaches properly. If his disciples teach the light properly then its good 👍
@@theonenessoftime330 ultimately whether there’s a rapidly moving light or not Nisagardatta Maharaj describes the Absolute as ‘Nothing perceivable or Conceivable’. If there’s a perceiver, that’s not it.
At 99 like I AM clicked 100...I AM!
I assume that NM meant with the solidity of awareness the fact that it is an uninterrupted “medium”. It goes through all matter, animate or inanimate matter. It cannot (be) split. And all objects and subjects take on a certain shape within this uninterrupted medium. This medium penetrates everything and everybody, is just another way of explaining it. Another analogy is that this awareness is like the ocean and all the objects and subjects have a particular shape in this ocean, but when one has an enlightenment experience, one sees that all is made of the same medium/essence. But it doesn’t look like the water in the ocean. The medium of Reality cannot be described. One can only experience Reality when one is one with Reality, in the state of Samadhi.
What you said last. The other examples are not not incorrect... pointers.
@@DiamondApproach I am not criticizing your look at what NM might have meant. I only wanted to add my own look at it, because I had the experience, now three times in my life, or I have at least come close three times. The feeling of oneness with everything and the vanishing of the sensations of the physical body is - in my case - always the starting point. Where I do have some criticism or call it frustration, with people who have been known as sages, saints or even permanently realized people is that what they have said or what they have told (and written down by other people) is a amalgamation of knowledge that has to be taken as literally as possible while on the other hand they have also said things that are meant metaphorically or even they just used strong terms in an attempt to drive their point home how wonderfully (different) the state is from regular life (maya). I wish that they or their writers would have been a lot clearer on that. If I talk about my own account, I sometimes emphasize that I am not talking metaphorically, that my words should be interpreted as literally as possible, although they remain pointers. But, I can also imagine that if you are permanently enlightened that the desirelessness doesn’t allow the enlightened person to put in much effort to explain, despite their life long help. I continue to have doubts on whether being permanently enlightenment is possible or not. Even Ramana Maharshi was “afraid” when two of his devotees approached him, because their devotion was so deep, he could not resist their pleas… that is what I heard David Godman explains once. And you explain that Nisargadatta Maharaj felt or seemed to feel frustration because he couldn’t get his message across or couldn’t make people experience the state he was in or he couldn’t convince people of what he said, which to him understanding-with-conviction was enough to reach enlightenment. Let me end with another take on why NM might have called his awareness rock-solid. So in my own understanding there could be two reasons. I personally think this is a possible better explanation than the first one that I gave. When I started doing what NM (but also similarly Ramana Maharshi) prescribed as the method to reach enlightenment, there were times that when I focused on this sense of “I Am” that I was so anchored in on that sense, I could be doing anything, the overwhelming part of my attention would go to the sense of being. I will add that I was in no means in a state of Samadhi. In my limited experience with samadhi, I am incapable of doing anything. I am just nailed to the ground basically and I understand why people would be incapable or far less capable/inclined of responding to their environment. It is an interesting topic and I could go on. So I hope I cleared some things up and where I have - as an ego - criticism on these gurus or the people who wrote down what a guru said without further questioning the meaning of his/her words. But since we are not making up our own thoughts, this is how it is supposed to have happened :-). Everything is perfect … at all times … even if the understanding or the explanation doesn’t properly convey what was meant. We are in a process whereby we experience change, but when we arrive at the end, at enlightenment, we experience with full conviction we have never made any progress. The beginning and the end (of our real nature) has never been improved by our lives (in the mind). Our real nature is so perfect, nothing about it can be improved, not even the experience of life. The “beginning and end of our real nature” is an example of how my mind attempts to explain that there is no change/improvement whatsoever by whatever we do. Doing is not being and our beingness will be forever Perfect or timelessly Perfect if you prefer that word. That is why there is no real reason to anything we are doing. Meaning only has value in the mind, in our not-enlightened lives. Looking for meaning is similar to judgment. The enlightened state is freedom from EVERYTHING, every notion of morality. But let me add: in the enlightened state: everything is “judged/experienced” as complete full perfection, even wars, people’s heads being cut off. It is all part of the one big perfect show that is played out so that we realize what we are. Just as NM said: the manifested universe - while not being able to represent our true unfathomable nature - is nevertheless of the utmost importance, because it shows us what we are. I will try to end :-) with the following because I feel it is very important and I never really read it somewhere as an example of the non-duality part also. So the oneness of everything is experienced because you see/feel (experience) everything is made of the same essence, but the part I would like to add which to me is also an aspect of non-duality is that an enlightenment experience allows you to experience two opposite insights with equal conviction. You could experience “total-knowing” and a few seconds later you are in a “total not-knowing” state. Both experiences, no matter how opposing they are, are equally convincing and true. To me, this is one of the examples that Reality is omnipotent. Omnipotency allows for Omniscience but also Total Oblivion. But you could equally say that Omniscience allows for Omnipotency but of course also Total Oblivion. There is no cause and effect. Everything is a cause and everything is an effect. But you can put holes in my words because there are at the final verdict, just words, just attempts at expressing the oneness of everything. In the end, the mind is made to choose, to judge and that is why it experiences life the way it does. Awareness experiences life in its perfect fullness, free from all desires, therefore free from all fears, and therefore full of love.Where there is fear, there can’t be (pure) love. And yet, I still have a lot of questions … and I remain amazed and feel utterly stupid despite my own experiences … because I returned to my ego (mind) with only has questions after questions … Questions lead only to misunderstanding, so I agree wholeheartedly with the teaching “be quiet”. In silence there is no misunderstanding and we just have to trust these teachers that the silence will provide all answers, because it removes mind/doubts. Unlearning is what happens. New learnings from the right gurus removes old (classic) teachings and finally the guru’s teachings have to be thrown in the garbage as well, because they were also just merely attempts of expressing the inexpressible true nature of ourselves
To understand the rocklike solidity that NM talked about as the usual ocean of consciousness shortchanges him. He really meant rocklike hardness. It is one way of experiencing pure awareness. the more common way as a medium of transparent light. But this has no density or hardness. The rocklike hardness is another way of recognizing the indestructibility of the absolute. It is actually when the absolute is non conceptual in a more fundamental way, that we don't even have the concept of awareness. I see this immense density of his experience of himself as the absolute as behind the fierceness that characterized his communications.
@@AbdulAli-rf1iv that is what I meant earlier when I said, that it cannot be split. That was one of my ways of saying it is indestructible. You bring back a memory of my last experience. In this state of oneness, there is no need to move your-true-essence, because “everything else” is just the same. “What you are made of” and what the rest is made of, is just the same. That essence is everywhere, so how could there be a concept as movement IF we talk about the one overall Reality? Movement can only become a concept or an experience, when a “part of the whole Reality” is introduced, so when a part can shift itself from point A to point B. But the whole of Reality has no means/no desire/no need to move the whole. It is like an endless ocean, there are no shores (metaphor!). I am going to finish with a quote from NM: without words, what is there to understand. And I will add to it: with words, there is only misunderstanding. Like this conversation thread is showing (partially) :-)
No, both analogies are wrong. Unmoved or solid or impenetrable means no further movement, every thing come to the end, nothing (experience or consciousness observation) can go beyond that which is like to see another side of a wall who another side is not there at all.
Black hole kinda thing??
Anthony Garza
The Atman photon disappears beyond the supreme as the "I am" fades in death as God does no see his/herown face.
You did not get, did you!
Hello, you are doing a nice work. It certainly is helpful for some people to get some sense of spirituality.and inspiration. I like it too.
But although it is obvious you have experiences and your interpretations are a wonderful breakdown of teachings, you still might be unaware of saying some very wrong things. Energy of study is there but experience of deep studied knowledge you have might not be there yet to do some claims.
For example Buddhism does not speak of being aware of awareness. This is completely wrong. Teaching of Non-self or of emptiness is exactly there to guide through this thinking. Not to think this way. Also have you heard the answer of a highly Buddhist accomplished master to a question "who are you?".He said "I do not know". Meaning if I analyse or step out of pure awareness and look into it I am already in awareness of this ultimate awareness. Means I am in consciousness, means I am in Duality...
By the way Maharaj teaching reflect a lot what Buddha was teaching except the concept 'I am' which is more of his tool at this stage