I am a pensionist now. Started playing when I was 14. In south america, I was taught to use my ears. I was playing triads before I ever knew they existed. I am now serious about everything music theory. Now I can do my triads in all cage shapes and jump from any C scale to another and find all the C-E-G notes. I focus on the fingers I use to navigate. I consider the circle of fourth as the next step needed to get unstuck from C scales but its all the same once you understand how intervals work. Working slowly and intentionally has helped me in spades and all you RUclipsrs putting out so much love for us 😅 I can’t thank you enough.
I learned this from my guitar teacher the other day but you’ve taken the explanation to a much deeper level. What would be helpful is to get the scales for each using one key.
Oh man. This level of theory has been SO totally over my head in the past, and this lesson just landed it for me. I don’t know why. I’ve been battling to track changes for ages, but seeing it like this just make it all click. Excellent lesson, and thank you Charlie. Brilliant lesson. Much appreciated
Many times I’ve heard that practicing anything via the circle of 4ths is the way to go. Now I know for sure. Thanks! If I am not mistaken I believe that out of key E7 at 13:00 is also the secondary dominant to A. Very common add-in that can be used prior to any in key chord to jazz up the song vs just using key chords. Another way of looking at it.
This presentation is very informative, deep and wide. In my experience with guitar, and being self taught, you have to play with the changes, you have to play through (practice) the diatonic scales to find your (the song) direction. Actually, this is a great instructional lesson because it covers what you need to know, not what you like to do, not what you’d like to play, but to be able to find yourself and carry on. Like Charlie explained, you have to be thinking two or three chord moves ahead. Excellent presentation like I said, deep and wide lots of value here if the student will follow through as directed…
I have a bad habit of commenting early. I always learn something from your videos , even if it's just another way to view information. Your video on triads and cycling through all 7 in a key vertically? I'm like why didn't I think of that ? Lol. So thank you .
Great lesson…it’s all stuff I know I need to learn, but continually put off. Then I’m surprised at how slowly I progress 🤔. Love the examples of great songs that apply this stuff. The ii V I is everywhere, and we love the sound of that progression
Hmmm, as a hard working (normal job) guy, the best advice I ever got was to focus the limited time on things that really matter to you. Why should I spend time in keys other than the typical classic rock keys if thats what I love and play with my band?
I get you. For me this is playing and studying songs. If I have time left I do practice scales and triads/ arpeggios but always in function of a song. I don’t have 4 hours a day to practice these tedious exercises. I tried, but I always feel wasting my time and could have focused on improving a song. Lately I start with doing my repertoire every day and my playing and confidence in performing these increased tremendously. This is what matters to me as a non professional. Entertaining people and myself with confidence and beautiful playing.
I’m a normal job guy too. But a lesson like this is super helpful it illustrates aspirational stuff to work on. It is the correct thing to do even if I don’t have the time right now to work on it. But even just thinking on the circle of 4ths/5rhs is helpful. A very helpful video actually.
@@tomm5023 the great thing about music (and life) is we get to decide what makes us happy and then pursue it. To some people learning to cook means putting hot dogs on a grill. Others might want to become chefs. Some golfers are really happy being 20 handicappers; others aspire to be scratch golfers. And you know what?? All of that is ok!!
Charlie, great video! I have a question though: When your guitar teacher set you that task all those years ago, how did you approach it? From his original fret diagram, did you do it all in your head or did you have to sit down and laboriously make your own diagrams in sequence for all the 12 keys? I can see the benefit of being able to do it all in your head, and clearly that it the ultimate aim, but I reckon most people would struggle to start off working everything out that way. Thoughts?
Great question!!!! In my case, I took the original diagram and moved in half steps. Am, Bbm, Bm, Cm etc. It took a while for the “non guitar” keys like Ab or Db to sink in. Then I would randomly bounce around to different keys and patterns - almost like giving myself quizzes. A big key is awareness of where the root notes sit in the patterns. 🎶🎸🔥
@@CharlieLongGuitar Interesting! So at what point did the idea of using descending fourths occur to you as a stratagem? And is the choice of descending in fourths rather than, say, ascending in fifths putting extra demands on the brain given that the fourth interval doesn't appear in either the triad or the major pentatonic? (Just give me a metaphorical slap if you reckon I'm overthinking this)
@@TippitoWOW I have a couple of really great tube amps that I love so much. I practice with them when I can but they’re really loud. Much more convenient to practice with plugins - and they’ve gotten so good that I enjoy it. 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
@@GerryBlue that’s really cool - I’ve seen some of Ross’ videos and have a lot of respect for him. We’re from different sides of the globe, but seemed to have learned similar fundamentals. The circle of 4ths WILL make you better if you spend a little time with it! 🎶🔥🎸
Kind of confusing for me, you seem to go to the fourth not in each scale and then repeat starting at the note you landed on prior. Don't get what it has to do withe the circle of fourth's. Great lesson for learning the notes all over the fret board. I will watch again and see what I am missing. Keep up the good work and thanks for all your help. Now I get it, the fourth of each scale is the next key in the circle of fourths.
@@ivordavies-w4i good question…starting at 2:21 I explain the concept pretty clearly. The idea is to be able to move a practice concept (triads, pentatonics WHATEVER) and be able to immediately without stopping transpose it up a fourth until you’ve played it in all 12 keys. Most students I encounter usually practice things in the same key over and over…and are helpless if I ask them to play the same idea in a key they don’t normally play in
@ thanks I have been practicing it for a couple of days now and it is improving my ability to realize note location much quicker, I will go over video over again tonite
If I am only familiar with the circle of 5ths perspective how do I or can I apply this concept? Seems landing on the 4th so using the circle of 4ths is only way? FYI I don't know theory but do understand the circle of 5ths enough.
@@CharlieLongGuitar It's like being given the keys to a Ferrari I wasn't allowed to drive before. I'll commit to integrating this process over the next few weeks then it'll be time to burn the tires off this ferrari! Very cool stuff
I use this for pentatonic scales and diatonic scales. You could play all five positions of the pentatonic scale in one place without moving and you could do it with the seven diatonic scales as well
Helpful, focused exercise JIT. Thanks!
Thank you for the support!!! 🎸🎶🔥
I am a pensionist now. Started playing when I was 14. In south america, I was taught to use my ears. I was playing triads before I ever knew they existed. I am now serious about everything music theory. Now I can do my triads in all cage shapes and jump from any C scale to another and find all the C-E-G notes. I focus on the fingers I use to navigate. I consider the circle of fourth as the next step needed to get unstuck from C scales but its all the same once you understand how intervals work. Working slowly and intentionally has helped me in spades and all you RUclipsrs putting out so much love for us 😅 I can’t thank you enough.
@@claudiafrers8923 this is awesome! Wishing you all the best with your playing! 🎸🔥🎶
No one on you tube connects the dots CONSISTANTLY like you to Charlie Long. SOOO good. Thank you.
@@bobwassell wow!!! What a nice comment! Thank you 🎸🎶🔥
@@CharlieLongGuitar How can I be the man if you're the man 😀... You're welcome.
Perfect example of taking a complex topic and conveying it in an easy-to-understand way. Thank you so much!
@@Guitarcard this comment makes me happy - that’s what I’m trying to do with these videos!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
I learned this from my guitar teacher the other day but you’ve taken the explanation to a much deeper level. What would be helpful is to get the scales for each using one key.
Oh man. This level of theory has been SO totally over my head in the past, and this lesson just landed it for me. I don’t know why. I’ve been battling to track changes for ages, but seeing it like this just make it all click. Excellent lesson, and thank you Charlie. Brilliant lesson. Much appreciated
@@leimaniax makes me so happy to read this! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Absolutely brilliant
Many times I’ve heard that practicing anything via the circle of 4ths is the way to go. Now I know for sure. Thanks! If I am not mistaken I believe that out of key E7 at 13:00 is also the secondary dominant to A. Very common add-in that can be used prior to any in key chord to jazz up the song vs just using key chords. Another way of looking at it.
@@JunkYour925 right on!!!! 🎸🔥🎶
Your guitar knowledge never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for sharing, it is really appreciated.
@@martynspooner5822 I really appreciate the support. Hope you are enjoying your guitar!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Thanks for this information charlie ..........im a longtime fan........Paul from Ireland
@@paulkelly6853 Go raihb maith agat 🎸🎶🔥 🇮🇪
Ta failte romhat..........didnt know you could speak Irish
I’ve been stuck just messing around with pentatonic shapes this helps with understanding.
@@goffdroid that’s great! Thanks for letting me know and rock on! 🎸🔥🎶
*Really* enjoying your channel. Solid stuff!
Much appreciated! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
ive been searching for this for weeks. thank you
@@butchmandrake8965 glad it’s what you’re looking for!!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Great lesson, very helpful!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment!! 🎶🎸🔥🎸🎶
Just wow definitely will incorporate this daily, thank you!
@@Dabbidd awesome!! It will really change what you can do!!! 🎸🎶🔥
This is gold! Thx!
@@LegendandoM glad you liked it 🎸🎶🔥
Very nice video! Thank you. It just opens the mind for a lot of possibilities.
@@RodrigoSchwinden glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment! 🎶🎸🔥
This presentation is very informative, deep and wide. In my experience with guitar, and being self taught, you have to play with the changes, you have to play through (practice) the diatonic scales to find your (the song) direction. Actually, this is a great instructional lesson because it covers what you need to know, not what you like to do, not what you’d like to play, but to be able to find yourself and carry on. Like Charlie explained, you have to be thinking two or three chord moves ahead. Excellent presentation like I said, deep and wide lots of value here if the student will follow through as directed…
@@willabestorms6059 thanks so much for the comment! Wishing you all the best with your playing!
I have a bad habit of commenting early. I always learn something from your videos , even if it's just another way to view information. Your video on triads and cycling through all 7 in a key vertically? I'm like why didn't I think of that ? Lol. So thank you .
@@onemancarnage thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🙏
Great lesson…it’s all stuff I know I need to learn, but continually put off. Then I’m surprised at how slowly I progress 🤔. Love the examples of great songs that apply this stuff. The ii V I is everywhere, and we love the sound of that progression
Yes! Get in there and knock it out once and for all!!! 🎸🎶🔥
Excellent
Awesome content as usual Charlie, thanks.
@@dominicboldeman thanks for the nice comment! All the best with your playing 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
I’ve been playing for over 20 years now, I wish someone had shown me this year one.
@@allanbrockguitar take this and run with it!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Great lesson - thanks!
@@jackjustice1731 my pleasure!!! Thanks for taking time to comment! 🎸🎶🔥
This is exactly whrre im at. Grsst lesson i need to practice
@@wagonet love it! Thanks for taking time to comment!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Great tutorial!
Subscribed!
@@notwaiting Awesome and thanks 🎸🎶🔥
Sorry, I need to look for my head, it has exploded with this awesome lesson, gosh!!!!!! You aré amazing !!!!! Thanks!!!!!
@@andyjales thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it! 🎸🎶🔥
Good video,
Great job, I subscribed!
@@philipfontaine8964 thank you and glad to have you 🎸🔥🎶
Hmmm, as a hard working (normal job) guy, the best advice I ever got was to focus the limited time on things that really matter to you. Why should I spend time in keys other than the typical classic rock keys if thats what I love and play with my band?
@@LowdenOs to each his own brother. You do you, be happy, have fun and rock on!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
I get you. For me this is playing and studying songs. If I have time left I do practice scales and triads/ arpeggios but always in function of a song. I don’t have 4 hours a day to practice these tedious exercises. I tried, but I always feel wasting my time and could have focused on improving a song. Lately I start with doing my repertoire every day and my playing and confidence in performing these increased tremendously. This is what matters to me as a non professional. Entertaining people and myself with confidence and beautiful playing.
I’m a normal job guy too. But a lesson like this is super helpful it illustrates aspirational stuff to work on. It is the correct thing to do even if I don’t have the time right now to work on it. But even just thinking on the circle of 4ths/5rhs is helpful. A very helpful video actually.
@@doubled5383 thanks for the comment and - your perspective on learning is refreshing!! I wish you all the best with your playing!! 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
@@tomm5023 the great thing about music (and life) is we get to decide what makes us happy and then pursue it. To some people learning to cook means putting hot dogs on a grill. Others might want to become chefs. Some golfers are really happy being 20 handicappers; others aspire to be scratch golfers. And you know what?? All of that is ok!!
Charlie, great video! I have a question though: When your guitar teacher set you that task all those years ago, how did you approach it? From his original fret diagram, did you do it all in your head or did you have to sit down and laboriously make your own diagrams in sequence for all the 12 keys? I can see the benefit of being able to do it all in your head, and clearly that it the ultimate aim, but I reckon most people would struggle to start off working everything out that way. Thoughts?
Great question!!!! In my case, I took the original diagram and moved in half steps. Am, Bbm, Bm, Cm etc. It took a while for the “non guitar” keys like Ab or Db to sink in. Then I would randomly bounce around to different keys and patterns - almost like giving myself quizzes. A big key is awareness of where the root notes sit in the patterns. 🎶🎸🔥
@@CharlieLongGuitar Interesting! So at what point did the idea of using descending fourths occur to you as a stratagem? And is the choice of descending in fourths rather than, say, ascending in fifths putting extra demands on the brain given that the fourth interval doesn't appear in either the triad or the major pentatonic? (Just give me a metaphorical slap if you reckon I'm overthinking this)
Yes very nice
Thank you for watching and commenting 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
Great lesson in this video! This might be an off the wall question. What tool are you using to create your fret board diagrams?
@@rickcalvert4820 Neck Diagrams. Super easy to use! 🎶🎸🔥
@@CharlieLongGuitar Thank you for the quick reply. Looks great! gonna give it a try.
Hi Charlie, thanks for your words, help a lot! just one quick question, Do you use tube amps for practising? cheers
@@TippitoWOW I have a couple of really great tube amps that I love so much. I practice with them when I can but they’re really loud. Much more convenient to practice with plugins - and they’ve gotten so good that I enjoy it. 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
@@CharlieLongGuitar Thank you sir for your opinion !! God bless you
Ross Campbell teaches this in his course, he admits he learned it from another teacher, but also swears by the Circle of 4ths method
@@GerryBlue that’s really cool - I’ve seen some of Ross’ videos and have a lot of respect for him. We’re from different sides of the globe, but seemed to have learned similar fundamentals. The circle of 4ths WILL make you better if you spend a little time with it! 🎶🔥🎸
I watched Ross's video on this recently as well! Both have helped a lot
Kind of confusing for me, you seem to go to the fourth not in each scale and then repeat starting at the note you landed on prior. Don't get what it has to do withe the circle of fourth's. Great lesson for learning the notes all over the fret board. I will watch again and see what I am missing. Keep up the good work and thanks for all your help. Now I get it, the fourth of each scale is the next key in the circle of fourths.
@@ivordavies-w4i good question…starting at 2:21 I explain the concept pretty clearly. The idea is to be able to move a practice concept (triads, pentatonics WHATEVER) and be able to immediately without stopping transpose it up a fourth until you’ve played it in all 12 keys. Most students I encounter usually practice things in the same key over and over…and are helpless if I ask them to play the same idea in a key they don’t normally play in
@ thanks I have been practicing it for a couple of days now and it is improving my ability to realize note location much quicker, I will go over video over again tonite
How long did it take you to learn all that? Take me a life time lol
@@ScottWettstein-e7f it took a while LOL! But there was a time back in the day when I practiced for hours at a time so…. Take what you can from this!
If I am only familiar with the circle of 5ths perspective how do I or can I apply this concept? Seems landing on the 4th so using the circle of 4ths is only way? FYI I don't know theory but do understand the circle of 5ths enough.
@@cryptoking8060 it’s really the same concept; move downward in 5ths and it’s the same as moving upward in 4ths 🎸🎸
@@CharlieLongGuitar It's like being given the keys to a Ferrari I wasn't allowed to drive before. I'll commit to integrating this process over the next few weeks then it'll be time to burn the tires off this ferrari! Very cool stuff
Hey, I’m 82!
Are there any tabs on this lesson?
That would defeat the point right?
🤯👌🏼
Rock on 🎸🎶🔥
Hell I'm 61 let's play music I don't have much time left lol😂
@@ScottWettstein-e7f rock on 🎸🎶🔥🎶🎸
I use this for pentatonic scales and diatonic scales. You could play all five positions of the pentatonic scale in one place without moving and you could do it with the seven diatonic scales as well
@@onemancarnage absolutely! 🔥🎶🎸
This progression is the same as Spain from Chick Corea
@@saccomarcelo right on 👍 🎸🎶🔥
Woo you lost me