that's what I thought, and weather the plan worked or not, 3 things will happen if she did planned it: 1) she'll likely get caught if someone noticed loud screaming and crying, 2) if she wasn't caught from the loud volume, she'll likely take the baby, without realizing that she'll get with a newborn baby that's covered in that Amniotic fluid residue, and 3) she won't have the newborn for long cause of the air being full bacteria and viruses that the baby's new immune system will not be able to protect it, even from Covid, so yeah that 'friend"'s plan of taken the baby is doom to fail anyway if her friend didn't let her use the phone for help, and yeah i'm well aware that pregnancy can make a female feeling really vulnerable, which is why it's important to make sure your with someone that can be trusted(which is normally the male mate in nature), while gestating.
There are so many more reasonable thought processes than literal kidnap. Perhaps the friend didn't want the hassle of taking her to a hospital, and potentially feeling compelled to stay with her for several hours. Perhaps the friend has a phobia connected to hospitals, but was uncomfortable addressing that, and was looking for a way to not have to drive to a hospital. Maybe the friend wanted the plaudits of having the baby born in their house. The friend may have had a dislike or fear associated with hospital births, and was trying to force an at home birth because of that - it isn't like anti-vaxxers and anti-medical people are a recent phenomena. (Bearing in mind we don't have a time frame for this, but "decades ago", before mobiles phones, but late enough to have planned hospital birth be common place probably puts this in the 1970s, 80s, or very early 90s. Particularly if this was in the 70s or 80s, a distrust of hospital births would not be especially uncommon.) But to go from zero to thinking the friend may have been entertaining the idea of kidnap... Well, I just have to ask, are you okay? That is a seriously extreme conclusion to jump to from the information provided.
My next door neighbour many years ago had a record of giving birth quickly. My wife and I were sitting having a cup of tea and a biccy with her when her water broke. I was astounded that my wife knew exactly what to do, since she in no way had any training as a midwife. Ordered me to phone an ambulance, then the hospital, then to grab as many clean white sheets I could find. 15 mins after the waters broke, the daughter was born. Hell my wife even knew how to tie off the chord and cut it! She helped with the removal of the afterbirth, putting it into a trashbag, then we both set about cleaning up the scene (I am not shy about that kind of thing). I was so proud of her it was almost heartbursting. We kept her other two kids at our house for a couple of days while the mother was in the hospital, till her hubby got back from working abroad, and her parents arrived charging to the rescue. An amazing experience that has stuck with me to this day. My neighbour used my wifes first name as her daughters middle name.
Not only is the wife "in love" with a fantasy image of the former roommate, she only has a fantasy view of love. Married with a kid is hard work. She remembers the excitement of cheating and believes those feelings are love. It's time to end it because she doesn't have a realistic view of life and love.
Story 1: That sounds like a lawsuit Story 2: I hope they can get to a therapist soon but I agree with you, he needed a lawyer like... yesterday. I would recommend this guy to hope for the better but to be prepared for the worst. Story 3: Just cut that friend off for f's sake. Nothing good is gonna come out of you all trying to intervene. You are just prolonging the obvious and inevitable smh Story 4: Not everyone is lucky to say "I found someone who I'm wiiling to share my life with, my passions, mys truggles and my love" So if OP found someone like that, that respects them, loves them, and is willing to commit to that relationship... screw the family's opinion. They are not the ones getting married.
Story 1: You should sue her, she basically put you and your child at serious risk and endangering a child (especially a newborn) is a one way ticket to staying behind bars (hopefully for years)
1: Guaranteed the friend tried to force her to have the baby at her house so she would be "indebted" to her for life. She would have used the "I let you have your baby in my house..." line for life and broadcast to all her friends what she did.
Wow, that entitled ‘friend’ almost cost the life of the mother to be and her baby, This really enraged me because not only the entitled woman knew absolutely nothing about birthing, she almost certainly risk losing the friendship of this mother to be, and to deny her the right to go to the hospital makes me think that the mother to be should have had an ambulance directed to the location which was the store so she would not get a ride to the entitled woman’s house which I thought was a huge mistake. Since the water broke while in the store, should she asked for immediate assistance from any shoppers or staff members of the store .
First person mom Is a hero and the neighbor is a legend and a cool guy imagine forcing someone to give birth at your house in front of their husband and holding them hostage in front of her children 💀
I think the friend should be arrested that is cruel. The best thing to get the toxic friend problem solved is cut them off. The family is being toxic just because some married someone who has money doesn't mean someone should do the something the OP and her boyfriend love each other and that's what matters also I think the OP should tell her boyfriend.
Story 1: That friend needs a good slap across the back of the head. Even home births have midwives who knows how to deliver babies and help if there are issues. Story 2: Record everything that she does, especially with your child. Have every dirt written down within a day or two of when it happens. So, in case it comes up in court for custody, you have date and examples ready. If anything, it can bring you peace of mind that you have some ammo to fight for your child if you two actually do get a divorce.
Ok what the actual heck is wrong with the OP’s friend, the women literally held her friend, who was in labor, hostage, and was just so casual about it! Like seriously that is not ok!!
I'm surprised she didn't try to call the cops on them for holding them at their house against their will... Thet's literally a crime. I wonder if doing that to a pregnant woman is a specific variation of that crime as well.
Story #5. If I was that OP, that day would be burned into my EX's memory as the most regrettable day she ever had. Loudly tell her and her sorry friends to get out of my life after I spoil the whole surprise about the proposal in meanest way I could think of.
First off how do you see your friend going into labor and come to the conclusion that forcing them to give birth in your house is the way to go!? And for the second to last story that reminds me of something my father told me, never assume because when you do you make an ass of yourself and those around you.
In the fifth story imagine her and her fiance out in public after this happens and a random stranger asks them about their relationship: "So, how'd you get engaged?" "Oh, I thought he was cheating on me, so I accused him, my girlfriends went after him and he proposed."
First story, The karen is an absolute jerk. Imagine this. If the baby was stuck it would probably die due to no doctor being around to make an operation.
I remember when I had my second daughter. I was 3 weeks overdue and went into labor and wasn’t sure if that’s what it was, I was induced with the first one. We made it in time . I was 8 centimeters when we got to the hospital. She was 8 lbs and 14 once’s.
Story 2: shame on the wife mainly but also the friend that told her that ex roommate was head over heels over her. Should’ve minded her own fing business.
Story 3: My sister had the exact thing happen to her with one of her closest of friends. This friend would make up lies about herself and others, would invalidate my sisters feelings, and was definitely very toxic. My advice would be to cut her off, if she’s telling serious lies about you, and being a terrible person to you, it’s honestly not worth it anymore.
did she think having a baby was like laying an egg? 1. house isn't sterile, or even clean. 2. many, many things can go wrong for mother and baby. 3. no medical training. If she was some Karen of a nurse that liked the idea of births at home, then i could (barely) understand 4. that's kidnapping
that first story - i hope she pressed charges for kidnapping. holy buckets! home births without a midwife and proper precautions are high-risk and cat literally kill the mom and baby. there's a reason most kids didn't make it to 5yo in the middle ages!
*Story 1:* What the hell is wrong with this entitled karen? Doesn't she know how important it is to be at a hospital with a doktor there to help safely deliver a baby? How are hospitals *"evil"?*
With the last story, can I make a suggestion? Approach this in a way where paranoia can't become an issue, and you do this by asking "what have you done/tried so far". At this she would have to think and you would already know what she has tried, so you suggest things she hasn't yet tried. That's how I would approach it... and just so you don't think I don't know what I'm talking about my wife has paranoia and entertain her thoughts just to put her mind at ease, which is not easy for me having depression and anxiety.
story 1 the friend invited you to her house and holds you hostage and tells you this how your birth is going down that friend sounds insane she probably planned this to take your baby she is a sycophantic thank god for your mother and the neighbour I’m sorry you had to go through that and thank god you moved away from that sycophant and congratulations on your baby boy or girl 😠🤬😡☹️🫣🤔😲
Umm that first lady could’ve and should’ve been charged with false imprisonment (maybe child endangerment?) bc I have no doubt had she caught on to what op was doing with the phone when op asked she would’ve said no or while she was on phone with mom she would’ve taken it from her hands and hung up before op could tell mom where she was. Idk what her problem was. Could she not be bothered? Did she have at home births so she thought she knew what was best for every birth? Or did she wanna be special and apart of this pregnancy/birth by getting to say “oh the baby was born at my house”? On the last one she would’ve been extra nuts if she thought op wouldn’t have exposed her and told everyone what she did.
Don't usually comment, but going to. Third story. I was in your shoes before, OP. There was a toxic friend I kept giving chances to, but only because...I let her win every argument. She never believed she was wrong cause she suffered more than I did apparently. And if she gaslights people like that, she is not worth it. Find better friends than her. You don't need her in her life. Admittedly, it was hard for me because my ex-friend gaslit me into believing I hurt her, and it was only when I told the truth and fully cut her out of my life that I lived happier. Trust me, you'll be happier with the right people.
For the first story, I have several kids, one of which was a planned home birth and was the best birthing experience out of all of them for my wife. It's very possible to safely birth outside a hospital. When using a hospital, the doctors often tried to rush things, and she had some serious complications after a couple of them due to the bad actions of the doctors. That said, I 100% side with the OP in the story. While possible do, an unplanned birth outside the hospital isn't something to toy around with. Besides, it's the mom's birth to handle as she sees fit.
Exactly! It’s her pregnancy, her birth and her child she knows what’s best for her body and her child and that “friend” had no right to try and steal that experience from her
It wasn't even like an arranged home birth. There was no midwife. The friend is completely untrained, all she can do was give some towels. It's completely unsanitary and dangerous.
The last story about the sensitive girlfriend is sad as she is clearly traumatised by what happened. You will need to be patient but if she loves you she will not hide behind it but try to soften its blade. As for the brother remove him now and children you have can't go near him or her parents. They are dangerous.
Story 1: good thing it went over smoothly Story 2: OP and his wife deserve each other. They cheat on each other and then don't understand why their life is miserable
I know what the 1st one is, it's a tradition in my country where if you want to be born you need to have someone look after you and they do it in the most horrible way it's happened a decade ago everyone knows about it so yeah I don't know why back then don't trust people in the hospital yes that what thay call it the doctor of the nurse back then The elderly they don't trust them we all don't know why they just decide it would be more traditional that way. oh And a lot of mother and the children die back then lake a lot I believe in one town is around 2000.
Story 5 - I mean, all the signs were there. Only problem was the friends not letting him explain nor pausing when seeing him all dressed up. That should have been a sign that this may be something else. Be on guard, but don't be inflexible
story 4: i remember i wanted to get married to this girl (same girl who turned out crazy manipulative before she was like that again) but i told her i want to be financially stable before then but i have not been having a great tie getting a job and she wanted me to get a super expensive ring that i would have to pay off. i told her lets wait and the rest of the story i have posted.
The second story. I do agree that they should go to therapy. However my gut is saying that a therapist might not say to go talk to him from the explanation. It sounds more like that she is suggesting that to go sleep with him. Again explanation that I am feeling that seeing as he didn't say that he would go to talk as well.
Story 2- This sounds like a 'grass is greener on the other side' scenario. There is somethinb wrong in hour marriage and she is wishing she had gone with the other.
The wife admiting that she is in love with someone else is the ideal situation. They said they cheated but if it's not physical then it's not considered cheating. Admiting you love someone else more is far better than cheating. It's actually what you should do. The husband, if he really loves her and wants her to be happy needs to let her go. A mutual divorce is best for both. She will never stop wanting the other man and the husband knowing that will always cause him pain and have him not trust her. A pleasant mutual and friendly divorce never hurts the kids. Divorce in general doesn't affect kids in any serious way. The kids just decided who they want to live with and visit the other if they want to.
The last story seems like the girls brother gas lighting her has caused mental struggles. She needs therapy to help her work through it. I know my therapist helped me start to heal from my ex doing a number on me. Narcissist cause SO much damage and if you’ve never experienced it. I don’t think you’ll ever be able to fully comprehend what it does to you and your mental state. I felt like everyone looked down on me and didn’t like me, just tolerated me because of my ex conditioning me to think that and other things. So maybe she feels like he really does think she’s dumb even tho that’s not the case, because that’s what was done to her before. I’m not saying it’s ok, just something a therapist could help her cope with and work on moving past it…
story 3: A lot of people who do this do not realize they are doing anything wrong. She is quite literally painting herself in a better light so she assumes people view her that way. She will be shocked and surprised when they tell her they actually think the exact opposite. Wanting to salvage the relationship is noble of OP but it is a lost cause. Even if they get her to believe she is the problem, then what? She will forever feel like a second class member of their friend group because she got ganged up on. It does not matter if what they said is true. She will always have it hanging over her that if she gets too problematic again they will either leave her of sit her down and scold her again. Their relationship will never be the same.
With the last story, you came off as a bit insensitive. It was stated that she experienced serious emotional abuse, and it takes time for trauma to heal. Of course, this does not mean that her actions are right or that she's in a place to be in a relationship, but to dismiss it as her overreacting minimizes the core issue--her trauma and fear of being emotionally abused again. The boyfriend can attempt a sit down conversation and ask if they should do couples and individual counseling. If she agrees, that starts the healing process. If she doesn't, then the boyfriend did what he could and is entitled to leave, especially if it's affecting his own mental health--it isn't his responsibility to make decisions for her outside of a gentle support towards getting therapy.
The wife from the second story she literally contradict herself By saying she’s in love with her husband ex roommate and that she trust him more than her own husband yet at the same time she said she will never leave her husband for him what the fuck
Story #3 trust me this woman is not your friend. Take it from a 71 yr old woman who has had a lot of "friends". When s friendship is not mutual and physically, emotionally and mentally draining it's not friendship but in servitude to you. You've all become her pawns. Please for all your sakes drop her from your life. You'll all be a lot happier and have peace of mind, which you don't have now. Good luck and God Bless you all.
Story #3 8:09, This story is really really true. One of my Pre-k friends 10 years ago started becoming toxic and more and everything showed in Story #3, 8:09.
22:01. Read this comment if you wish. I had a sibling with this same issue of emotional neglect, being manipulated and gossiped about, etc. And I have found that for them, going to see a good therapist and actually just starting a long conversation where you go "Hey, I'm not trying to hurt you, it's okay, your fine, I just want to talk about how we can communicate more effectively.", will actually most likely work. P.S. The brother who abused his sister in this story sounds like an absolute F*ckwit.
18:30 You've said before that the ops should be worried about a partner acting like that. Yet this op is jumping to conclusions and "needs to work on themselves." smh🤦♀
Accusing me of cheating would have ended the relationship. Especially if all you evidence is online bullshit. Means you dont trust me and instead of being reasonable and communicating your thoughts to me directly your just gonna make assumptions and accusations. Would have said was planinng our anniversary and proposal and shown the ring but that im breaking up with you for stated reasons hope you grow up.
same. I dont care how long it has been. The moment I get accused of cheating, I wouldnt even fight it. I would be like,"okay well if that is what you think then its over." Like how insecure can someone be?
Plenty of people have home births but it's usually with a midwife did she just expect she was going to help deliver the baby. Like if your going to have a home birth you need to have some professional experience and or help
"Very religious" just because someone mentions God or a verse here and there doesn't make them religious! They also have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Being toxic in the name of religion needs to stop.أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
The Karen could've had a really good mask. Toxic people wear their "friendly" masks really well. They don't take it off until much later on or if they're caught for being 2-faced
Yea theirs no point in talking to the man your wife cheated on you with no therapist would recommend that either because of the dangers of the husband or the other guy feeaking out at some point LIKE JUST GET A DIVORCE SHE ISNT WORTH BEING WITH WHEN SHE IS MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU NEED HELP ASWELL WHEN YOU DONT YOU DIDNT CHEAT AND ITS NATURAL TO FEEL THE WAY YOU DO AFTER ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY STILL HANG OUT WITH THE GUY THAT SHE CHEATED ON YOU WITH AND MOST LIKELY STILL IS CHEATING ON YOU WITH
Story 5: honestly I do think you are the jerk and especially think that you are very lucky because most people would leave right then and there plus you should get of your "friends".
That first story. I'm guessing that friend was trying to save her from the hospital bills, if they don't have the savings for that. But if the mother wants to go to the hospital, that's her body, her choice. And before any socialists & communists make fun of the US healthcare system. This isn't a pure Capitalist country because of government interference. They are the reason why things are so expensive. What Martin Shkreli did with Daraprim, is a prime example of this. And I'd rather pay for my own medicare, then have some corrupt authority steal from everyone else, through taxes, to pay for whatever the authority & who bribes them wants, instead of us directly & efficiently paying for what we ACTUALLY use & support. And with government dead & gone, there will be no government power for anyone to buy, no government to screw our economy, no government to devalue my labor by devaluing the dollar.
Story no 4 has one the most f society I ever heard and the boyfriend say her family very Religious? It most be just a fecade , it's sound like atheist talk about marriage
the second story is probably the only time I have or will ever disagree with you on that just cause people can't control who they love, much like being gay or lesbian or the sort. It's like tearing a baby chick away from its mother, the baby will still think about and love the mother but over time and with proper treatment of the situation the baby could eventually be able to think of someone else as its parent or caregiver. The fact that she's even MENTIONING counselling shows that she cares about the op and maybe if the op would just trust her one more time and go to counselling they could get their shit sorted out.
He has trusted her A LOT and she keeps going behind his back and keeps looking the guy up, etc. If she really cares about her husband, she wouldn't let herself look the guy up on social media and listen to songs that remind her of him, she would do everything she could to avoid thinking about the guy since thinking about him only makes her distant from her husband. It would be one thing if she hadn't talked to the guy behind her husband's back multiple times, and then if, when she dreamt about the guy, she had decided she needs therapy. Instead, she looks the guy up, stalks him on social media, listened to songs that reminded her of him, and talked to a mutual friend about him. She sought him out, even knowing her feelings about him. I can almost garuntee that if her and her husband have a fight (and they will, cuz people that are married have fights) she will rationalize to herself that is okay to go talk to the guy, and probably cheat on her husband when she does. She hasn't shown herself to be trustworthy when it comes to this guy, at all!
Sounds like the first person was planning on keeping the baby.
that's what I thought, and weather the plan worked or not, 3 things will happen if she did planned it: 1) she'll likely get caught if someone noticed loud screaming and crying, 2) if she wasn't caught from the loud volume, she'll likely take the baby, without realizing that she'll get with a newborn baby that's covered in that Amniotic fluid residue, and 3) she won't have the newborn for long cause of the air being full bacteria and viruses that the baby's new immune system will not be able to protect it, even from Covid, so yeah that 'friend"'s plan of taken the baby is doom to fail anyway if her friend didn't let her use the phone for help, and yeah i'm well aware that pregnancy can make a female feeling really vulnerable, which is why it's important to make sure your with someone that can be trusted(which is normally the male mate in nature), while gestating.
A true crime podcast waiting to happen 🕵🏼🚔
What she thought the pregnant lady was doing a abortion
Dang this was awful for her. How scary! Kidnapping comes to mind. And what the hell was that Karen's husband doing allowing that!
There are so many more reasonable thought processes than literal kidnap.
Perhaps the friend didn't want the hassle of taking her to a hospital, and potentially feeling compelled to stay with her for several hours. Perhaps the friend has a phobia connected to hospitals, but was uncomfortable addressing that, and was looking for a way to not have to drive to a hospital. Maybe the friend wanted the plaudits of having the baby born in their house. The friend may have had a dislike or fear associated with hospital births, and was trying to force an at home birth because of that - it isn't like anti-vaxxers and anti-medical people are a recent phenomena.
(Bearing in mind we don't have a time frame for this, but "decades ago", before mobiles phones, but late enough to have planned hospital birth be common place probably puts this in the 1970s, 80s, or very early 90s. Particularly if this was in the 70s or 80s, a distrust of hospital births would not be especially uncommon.)
But to go from zero to thinking the friend may have been entertaining the idea of kidnap... Well, I just have to ask, are you okay? That is a seriously extreme conclusion to jump to from the information provided.
My next door neighbour many years ago had a record of giving birth quickly. My wife and I were sitting having a cup of tea and a biccy with her when her water broke. I was astounded that my wife knew exactly what to do, since she in no way had any training as a midwife. Ordered me to phone an ambulance, then the hospital, then to grab as many clean white sheets I could find. 15 mins after the waters broke, the daughter was born. Hell my wife even knew how to tie off the chord and cut it! She helped with the removal of the afterbirth, putting it into a trashbag, then we both set about cleaning up the scene (I am not shy about that kind of thing). I was so proud of her it was almost heartbursting. We kept her other two kids at our house for a couple of days while the mother was in the hospital, till her hubby got back from working abroad, and her parents arrived charging to the rescue. An amazing experience that has stuck with me to this day. My neighbour used my wifes first name as her daughters middle name.
That’s actually weirdly sweet
your wife is amazing i hope you guys are in a happy relationship.
@@java00006 Unfortunately, I lost her to cancer in 2012 after nearly 37 years of marriage. I miss her every day.
@@stoopingfalcon891 oh thats sad hope you can cope with the sadness because you have a child and your son/daughter needs you.
@@stoopingfalcon891 I am so very sorry for your loss. Your wife sounds like an angel.
Not only is the wife "in love" with a fantasy image of the former roommate, she only has a fantasy view of love. Married with a kid is hard work. She remembers the excitement of cheating and believes those feelings are love. It's time to end it because she doesn't have a realistic view of life and love.
Story 1: That sounds like a lawsuit
Story 2: I hope they can get to a therapist soon but I agree with you, he needed a lawyer like... yesterday. I would recommend this guy to hope for the better but to be prepared for the worst.
Story 3: Just cut that friend off for f's sake. Nothing good is gonna come out of you all trying to intervene. You are just prolonging the obvious and inevitable smh
Story 4: Not everyone is lucky to say "I found someone who I'm wiiling to share my life with, my passions, mys truggles and my love" So if OP found someone like that, that respects them, loves them, and is willing to commit to that relationship... screw the family's opinion. They are not the ones getting married.
Forget lawsuit. That psycho should be in the nut house for what she did.
Story 1: You should sue her, she basically put you and your child at serious risk and endangering a child (especially a newborn) is a one way ticket to staying behind bars (hopefully for years)
1: Guaranteed the friend tried to force her to have the baby at her house so she would be "indebted" to her for life. She would have used the "I let you have your baby in my house..." line for life and broadcast to all her friends what she did.
Wow, that entitled ‘friend’ almost cost the life of the mother to be and her baby, This really enraged me because not only the entitled woman knew absolutely nothing about birthing, she almost certainly risk losing the friendship of this mother to be, and to deny her the right to go to the hospital makes me think that the mother to be should have had an ambulance directed to the location which was the store so she would not get a ride to the entitled woman’s house which I thought was a huge mistake. Since the water broke while in the store, should she asked for immediate assistance from any shoppers or staff members of the store .
First person mom Is a hero and the neighbor is a legend and a cool guy imagine forcing someone to give birth at your house in front of their husband and holding them hostage in front of her children 💀
some were thinking that her "friend" was planning on taking the baby for herself.
I think the friend should be arrested that is cruel. The best thing to get the toxic friend problem solved is cut them off. The family is being toxic just because some married someone who has money doesn't mean someone should do the something the OP and her boyfriend love each other and that's what matters also I think the OP should tell her boyfriend.
Story 1: That friend needs a good slap across the back of the head. Even home births have midwives who knows how to deliver babies and help if there are issues.
Story 2: Record everything that she does, especially with your child. Have every dirt written down within a day or two of when it happens. So, in case it comes up in court for custody, you have date and examples ready. If anything, it can bring you peace of mind that you have some ammo to fight for your child if you two actually do get a divorce.
Back of the head, that's a proper slap worth
First story, I seriously wonder if the "friend" actually intended to steal the baby...
Ok what the actual heck is wrong with the OP’s friend, the women literally held her friend, who was in labor, hostage, and was just so casual about it! Like seriously that is not ok!!
I'm surprised she didn't try to call the cops on them for holding them at their house against their will... Thet's literally a crime. I wonder if doing that to a pregnant woman is a specific variation of that crime as well.
Story #5. If I was that OP, that day would be burned into my EX's memory as the most regrettable day she ever had. Loudly tell her and her sorry friends to get out of my life after I spoil the whole surprise about the proposal in meanest way I could think of.
First off how do you see your friend going into labor and come to the conclusion that forcing them to give birth in your house is the way to go!? And for the second to last story that reminds me of something my father told me, never assume because when you do you make an ass of yourself and those around you.
Never assume, if you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME
guarantee that friend just wanted to be able to brag about hosting a "home birth"
@@lilithr254 that's an oddly specific thing to say
@@dutchvanderbilt9969 true, but that's where my brain went lol
@@lilithr254 is there something you wanna talk about?
In the fifth story imagine her and her fiance out in public after this happens and a random stranger asks them about their relationship:
"So, how'd you get engaged?"
"Oh, I thought he was cheating on me, so I accused him, my girlfriends went after him and he proposed."
First story, The karen is an absolute jerk. Imagine this. If the baby was stuck it would probably die due to no doctor being around to make an operation.
Wow, she has to be arrested
I remember when I had my second daughter. I was 3 weeks overdue and went into labor and wasn’t sure if that’s what it was, I was induced with the first one. We made it in time . I was 8 centimeters when we got to the hospital. She was 8 lbs and 14 once’s.
Story 1: it sounds like ops former friend was from a new age crazy cult plus it sounded like they were going to take the baby and toss her out
my thoughts on that story as well
Story 2: shame on the wife mainly but also the friend that told her that ex roommate was head over heels over her. Should’ve minded her own fing business.
1st story with friends like that who needs enemies
Story 3: My sister had the exact thing happen to her with one of her closest of friends. This friend would make up lies about herself and others, would invalidate my sisters feelings, and was definitely very toxic. My advice would be to cut her off, if she’s telling serious lies about you, and being a terrible person to you, it’s honestly not worth it anymore.
did she think having a baby was like laying an egg?
1. house isn't sterile, or even clean.
2. many, many things can go wrong for mother and baby.
3. no medical training. If she was some Karen of a nurse that liked the idea of births at home, then i could (barely) understand
4. that's kidnapping
Congratulations for story 1
that first story - i hope she pressed charges for kidnapping. holy buckets! home births without a midwife and proper precautions are high-risk and cat literally kill the mom and baby. there's a reason most kids didn't make it to 5yo in the middle ages!
*Story 1:* What the hell is wrong with this entitled karen? Doesn't she know how important it is to be at a hospital with a doktor there to help safely deliver a baby? How are hospitals *"evil"?*
Sounds like it was a potential baby kidnapping.
@@QuickManEXE It's possible. It's insane!
With the last story, can I make a suggestion? Approach this in a way where paranoia can't become an issue, and you do this by asking "what have you done/tried so far". At this she would have to think and you would already know what she has tried, so you suggest things she hasn't yet tried. That's how I would approach it... and just so you don't think I don't know what I'm talking about my wife has paranoia and entertain her thoughts just to put her mind at ease, which is not easy for me having depression and anxiety.
Such a bad friend..-
story 1 the friend invited you to her house and holds you hostage and tells you this how your birth is going down that friend sounds insane she probably planned this to take your baby she is a sycophantic thank god for your mother and the neighbour I’m sorry you had to go through that and thank god you moved away from that sycophant and congratulations on your baby boy or girl 😠🤬😡☹️🫣🤔😲
Umm that first lady could’ve and should’ve been charged with false imprisonment (maybe child endangerment?) bc I have no doubt had she caught on to what op was doing with the phone when op asked she would’ve said no or while she was on phone with mom she would’ve taken it from her hands and hung up before op could tell mom where she was. Idk what her problem was. Could she not be bothered? Did she have at home births so she thought she knew what was best for every birth? Or did she wanna be special and apart of this pregnancy/birth by getting to say “oh the baby was born at my house”? On the last one she would’ve been extra nuts if she thought op wouldn’t have exposed her and told everyone what she did.
These ladies never heard about: "innocent until proven guilty"?
18:05 damn that guys hella smooth.
Don't usually comment, but going to.
Third story. I was in your shoes before, OP. There was a toxic friend I kept giving chances to, but only because...I let her win every argument. She never believed she was wrong cause she suffered more than I did apparently. And if she gaslights people like that, she is not worth it. Find better friends than her. You don't need her in her life.
Admittedly, it was hard for me because my ex-friend gaslit me into believing I hurt her, and it was only when I told the truth and fully cut her out of my life that I lived happier. Trust me, you'll be happier with the right people.
I'm glad with the first one that everything turned out okay. Because bad things have happened. I watched too many CSI etc programs
For the first story, I have several kids, one of which was a planned home birth and was the best birthing experience out of all of them for my wife. It's very possible to safely birth outside a hospital. When using a hospital, the doctors often tried to rush things, and she had some serious complications after a couple of them due to the bad actions of the doctors.
That said, I 100% side with the OP in the story. While possible do, an unplanned birth outside the hospital isn't something to toy around with. Besides, it's the mom's birth to handle as she sees fit.
Exactly! It’s her pregnancy, her birth and her child she knows what’s best for her body and her child and that “friend” had no right to try and steal that experience from her
It wasn't even like an arranged home birth. There was no midwife. The friend is completely untrained, all she can do was give some towels. It's completely unsanitary and dangerous.
The last story about the sensitive girlfriend is sad as she is clearly traumatised by what happened. You will need to be patient but if she loves you she will not hide behind it but try to soften its blade. As for the brother remove him now and children you have can't go near him or her parents. They are dangerous.
Trauma or not, that doesn't excuse her for her abusive behavior.
@@LunaP1 absolutely correct but it is a starting point for treatment so if she cooperates we have a chance
Story 1: good thing it went over smoothly
Story 2: OP and his wife deserve each other. They cheat on each other and then don't understand why their life is miserable
Hopefully this friend is NO LONGER!!
Shocked 😲
Story one WHY DIDN’T YOU CALL THE POLICE TOO
cause they might've taken longer then the op's mother and good neighbor did to rescue her
Sounds like the friend was going to take the baby either to sell or keep for herself
Last story, OP needs to bounce!
Story 2, she's asking the husband to leave her without saying it because she doesn't want the guilt
You know you could have her arrested for attempted kidnapping for refusing to allow you to leave the house to get medical treatment
I know what the 1st one is, it's a tradition in my country where if you want to be born you need to have someone look after you and they do it in the most horrible way it's happened a decade ago everyone knows about it so yeah I don't know why back then don't trust people in the hospital yes that what thay call it the doctor of the nurse back then The elderly they don't trust them we all don't know why they just decide it would be more traditional that way. oh And a lot of mother and the children die back then lake a lot I believe in one town is around 2000.
Story 5 - I mean, all the signs were there. Only problem was the friends not letting him explain nor pausing when seeing him all dressed up. That should have been a sign that this may be something else. Be on guard, but don't be inflexible
story 4: i remember i wanted to get married to this girl (same girl who turned out crazy manipulative before she was like that again) but i told her i want to be financially stable before then but i have not been having a great tie getting a job and she wanted me to get a super expensive ring that i would have to pay off. i told her lets wait and the rest of the story i have posted.
What the friends deal? Why was she so dead set on taking Op to the hospital?
The second story. I do agree that they should go to therapy. However my gut is saying that a therapist might not say to go talk to him from the explanation. It sounds more like that she is suggesting that to go sleep with him. Again explanation that I am feeling that seeing as he didn't say that he would go to talk as well.
Story 2- This sounds like a 'grass is greener on the other side' scenario. There is somethinb wrong in hour marriage and she is wishing she had gone with the other.
The moment she says that he was a literally a man how was he supposed to get pregnant
The wife admiting that she is in love with someone else is the ideal situation. They said they cheated but if it's not physical then it's not considered cheating. Admiting you love someone else more is far better than cheating. It's actually what you should do. The husband, if he really loves her and wants her to be happy needs to let her go. A mutual divorce is best for both. She will never stop wanting the other man and the husband knowing that will always cause him pain and have him not trust her. A pleasant mutual and friendly divorce never hurts the kids. Divorce in general doesn't affect kids in any serious way. The kids just decided who they want to live with and visit the other if they want to.
sue her :D
The last story seems like the girls brother gas lighting her has caused mental struggles. She needs therapy to help her work through it. I know my therapist helped me start to heal from my ex doing a number on me. Narcissist cause SO much damage and if you’ve never experienced it. I don’t think you’ll ever be able to fully comprehend what it does to you and your mental state. I felt like everyone looked down on me and didn’t like me, just tolerated me because of my ex conditioning me to think that and other things. So maybe she feels like he really does think she’s dumb even tho that’s not the case, because that’s what was done to her before. I’m not saying it’s ok, just something a therapist could help her cope with and work on moving past it…
story 3: A lot of people who do this do not realize they are doing anything wrong. She is quite literally painting herself in a better light so she assumes people view her that way. She will be shocked and surprised when they tell her they actually think the exact opposite. Wanting to salvage the relationship is noble of OP but it is a lost cause. Even if they get her to believe she is the problem, then what? She will forever feel like a second class member of their friend group because she got ganged up on. It does not matter if what they said is true. She will always have it hanging over her that if she gets too problematic again they will either leave her of sit her down and scold her again. Their relationship will never be the same.
She's going back to monke the wrong way!
(About story 1)
*scoffs* no dog gone freaking heck sherlock
With the last story, you came off as a bit insensitive. It was stated that she experienced serious emotional abuse, and it takes time for trauma to heal. Of course, this does not mean that her actions are right or that she's in a place to be in a relationship, but to dismiss it as her overreacting minimizes the core issue--her trauma and fear of being emotionally abused again. The boyfriend can attempt a sit down conversation and ask if they should do couples and individual counseling. If she agrees, that starts the healing process. If she doesn't, then the boyfriend did what he could and is entitled to leave, especially if it's affecting his own mental health--it isn't his responsibility to make decisions for her outside of a gentle support towards getting therapy.
Very evil Karen refuses to her take me to the Hospital . Story 1 .
The wife from the second story she literally contradict herself By saying she’s in love with her husband ex roommate and that she trust him more than her own husband yet at the same time she said she will never leave her husband for him what the fuck
Marrying for love is actually a fairly recent concept and to be honest, divorce statistics don't bear it out as a lasting reason.
The first story, I don’t think the woman is a Karen so much as a possible human trafficking scammer? Also, why not just call 911 instead of mom?
911 would’ve taken too long, her mom was just down the road
Story #3 trust me this woman is not your friend. Take it from a 71 yr old woman who has had a lot of "friends". When s friendship is not mutual and physically, emotionally and mentally draining it's not friendship but in servitude to you. You've all become her pawns. Please for all your sakes drop her from your life. You'll all be a lot happier and have peace of mind, which you don't have now. Good luck and God Bless you all.
Story #3 8:09, This story is really really true. One of my Pre-k friends 10 years ago started becoming toxic and more and everything showed in Story #3, 8:09.
22:01. Read this comment if you wish. I had a sibling with this same issue of emotional neglect, being manipulated and gossiped about, etc. And I have found that for them, going to see a good therapist and actually just starting a long conversation where you go "Hey, I'm not trying to hurt you, it's okay, your fine, I just want to talk about how we can communicate more effectively.", will actually most likely work.
P.S. The brother who abused his sister in this story sounds like an absolute F*ckwit.
Hello guys! Today we are gonna cook a very entitled friend that isn't mine
Story 2: shes definitely cheating
Story 5 all I’m going to say is the boyfriend is so much better then men because I would have taken the ring back
18:30 You've said before that the ops should be worried about a partner acting like that. Yet this op is jumping to conclusions and "needs to work on themselves." smh🤦♀
Accusing me of cheating would have ended the relationship. Especially if all you evidence is online bullshit. Means you dont trust me and instead of being reasonable and communicating your thoughts to me directly your just gonna make assumptions and accusations. Would have said was planinng our anniversary and proposal and shown the ring but that im breaking up with you for stated reasons hope you grow up.
same. I dont care how long it has been. The moment I get accused of cheating, I wouldnt even fight it. I would be like,"okay well if that is what you think then its over." Like how insecure can someone be?
She’s not good
Show proof that you are not cheating? I'll be saying where's your proof that I am cheating
The first two stories get rid of them, their not worth in your life , i really don't understand the problem with cutting toxic people from your life
so that's what the pads are used for...
gross
Why are family and friends so toxic
Well some lol
She has an emotional affair. And should stop this asps
Plenty of people have home births but it's usually with a midwife did she just expect she was going to help deliver the baby. Like if your going to have a home birth you need to have some professional experience and or help
For the algorithm 🙏
This may be the last amithejerk I watch thanks to RUclips if you look at the most recent video you will know what’s happening 😢
People who can't stand up to their up to their parents are weak and pathetic
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Well all of this would be fine if she didn't already have a doctor ready at any moment and if it was at her house cause ibwas born in my moms bathtub
September 12th is my anniversary with my boyfriend 💕
"Very religious" just because someone mentions God or a verse here and there doesn't make them religious! They also have to talk the talk and walk the walk. Being toxic in the name of religion needs to stop.أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
Story 1: That's on you for choosing wrong friends.
The Karen could've had a really good mask. Toxic people wear their "friendly" masks really well. They don't take it off until much later on or if they're caught for being 2-faced
Personally, I would marry OP. That's such a reach. Plus the toxic sister and friends.
The BF should run.
Yeah someone being shoved in their OWN HOUSE. Is beyond unforgivable i'd tell the little body guards to kick rocks
Where did you get this story from?
Yea theirs no point in talking to the man your wife cheated on you with no therapist would recommend that either because of the dangers of the husband or the other guy feeaking out at some point LIKE JUST GET A DIVORCE SHE ISNT WORTH BEING WITH WHEN SHE IS MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU NEED HELP ASWELL WHEN YOU DONT YOU DIDNT CHEAT AND ITS NATURAL TO FEEL THE WAY YOU DO AFTER ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY STILL HANG OUT WITH THE GUY THAT SHE CHEATED ON YOU WITH AND MOST LIKELY STILL IS CHEATING ON YOU WITH
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Its normal in the netherlands... i live there
Story 5: honestly I do think you are the jerk and especially think that you are very lucky because most people would leave right then and there plus you should get of your "friends".
Do anyone see there is two to in the title
12hrslate
15:35 girlfriends?
Liek friends I don’t think she is cheating on him with any of them and they definitely are not ina open relationship
@@LeviAckerman-ky8cp ok, fair i guess
Look.at.the.title.
That first story. I'm guessing that friend was trying to save her from the hospital bills, if they don't have the savings for that. But if the mother wants to go to the hospital, that's her body, her choice. And before any socialists & communists make fun of the US healthcare system. This isn't a pure Capitalist country because of government interference. They are the reason why things are so expensive. What Martin Shkreli did with Daraprim, is a prime example of this. And I'd rather pay for my own medicare, then have some corrupt authority steal from everyone else, through taxes, to pay for whatever the authority & who bribes them wants, instead of us directly & efficiently paying for what we ACTUALLY use & support.
And with government dead & gone, there will be no government power for anyone to buy, no government to screw our economy, no government to devalue my labor by devaluing the dollar.
Story no 4 has one the most f society I ever heard and the boyfriend say her family very Religious? It most be just a fecade , it's sound like atheist talk about marriage
the second story is probably the only time I have or will ever disagree with you on that
just cause people can't control who they love, much like being gay or lesbian or the sort. It's like tearing a baby chick away from its mother, the baby will still think about and love the mother but over time and with proper treatment of the situation the baby could eventually be able to think of someone else as its parent or caregiver. The fact that she's even MENTIONING counselling shows that she cares about the op and maybe if the op would just trust her one more time and go to counselling they could get their shit sorted out.
He has trusted her A LOT and she keeps going behind his back and keeps looking the guy up, etc. If she really cares about her husband, she wouldn't let herself look the guy up on social media and listen to songs that remind her of him, she would do everything she could to avoid thinking about the guy since thinking about him only makes her distant from her husband. It would be one thing if she hadn't talked to the guy behind her husband's back multiple times, and then if, when she dreamt about the guy, she had decided she needs therapy. Instead, she looks the guy up, stalks him on social media, listened to songs that reminded her of him, and talked to a mutual friend about him. She sought him out, even knowing her feelings about him. I can almost garuntee that if her and her husband have a fight (and they will, cuz people that are married have fights) she will rationalize to herself that is okay to go talk to the guy, and probably cheat on her husband when she does. She hasn't shown herself to be trustworthy when it comes to this guy, at all!
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