I'm not too familiar with freestyle but from what I've been reading I think it has to do with keeping your butt towards the center of the mat versus towards the outside. Not necessarily the action
The crowd has no idea what they’re even watching, just screaming passives when both guys are working. This isn’t a gd entertainment sport, it’s a physical chess match..
@@Bjorlin1 I understand the rules of freestyle wrestling, my point is that both wrestlers were actively fighting for position but somebody in the crowd just kept screaming "RED PASSIVE" over and over until the ref caved, even though Chamizo didn't even attempt to attack for almost the entire match.
I agree it would turn into a boring ride out and if you went by NCAA rules riding time would apply but it's too slow, folk style, that is. If you recall these rules of 1 point push-outs, 1 point passivity / shot clock, and if tied score at regulation then whoever scores last or whoever scored on moves that had higher points wins for all meant to speed the game up and favor the offensive wrestler, and it was also meant to make it more interesting so that wrestling would not be cut from the Olympic games
Damn. Nice match. Whoever is yelling passive the entire time needed to stop. Lots of action and great wrestling here. The new passive rules suck. Please change them back!
Those calls of passivity are stupid i saw no more aggression from chamizo than i did from burroughs did they just expect burroughs to shoot the entire time or what?
I dont understand why Burroughs was on the shot clock twice, but Chamizo wasnt on it once. If anything, it seemed as if he was stalling and never tried to take Burroughs down.
Bc Chamizo had control of the center. He made it appear, by taking control of the center, that he wasn’t being passive. By constantly pressuring Jordan to the edge, Jordan couldn’t look anything but passive.
Реально так и есть. Никогда я не занимался борьбой, но видел несколько поединков Барроуза, и даже я считаю его очень предсказуемым борцом, другое дело его физика на уровне...
I once heard the commentator say the shot clock has more to do with lack of scoring than passivity. And since Chamizo scored first... Could be totally wrong though.
Burroughs is studied up and down, not so much to show- only a few moves. Outstanding physical conditions and steroids. Ah sorry he had already said the same about Geduev. This time Chamizo should have been on steroids
I'm just going to say what I saw and heard. From the sounds of the crowd, it seems like they have a heavy bias against Burroughs. Only 5-10 seconds after they start wrestling against, and each time you hear people yelling loudly "RED PASSIVE", even though Chamizo is only trying to push Burroughs out of bounds. Looks like the ref caved in to the yelling almost each time too. Burroughs wasn't being passive; just let both of these men wrestle, and if there is negative wrestling, then you call passive (not when you hear the crowd yelling getting louder).
Watched with the sound off. These judges are buggin. You lose for being the aggressor and staying busy taking shots, trying to work and advance? While the opponent just holds and defends????? This was clearly rigged.
@@alikhanurusov6396 зачем ты так брат? ну разрешили или нет, не тебе судить, то, что сборная России участвовала там частично, спору нет. Но спортсмены же не просто пролежали на матах все отведённое время.
Chamizo didn't take a single shot, unless I missed something. He's a great wrestler but this was a bit of a robbery. As people were saying, Burroughs was never passive.
How didnt Jordan get the point at the 5:40 mark, chamizo deliberately ran out bounds and the only reason Jordan got off his back was because he clearly thought it was stopped and was ready to reset
Самый титулованный всем титулованным это бесспорно Садуллаев (ТАНК) из Дагестана. А вот эти два ЧЕЛОВЕКА борятся как то без стержня! Это наверное из за того, что у этой рассы нет в крови борцовских способностей, А вот когда борятся борцы из Средней Азии, Кавказ то это сразу вызывает восхищение, схватки интересные, красивые, сразу поднимают давление на 220 и переполняются эмоции от их приёмов, сразу понятно что борьба это СУННА! Ассаламу алейкум из Кыргызстана, держитесь там
Где качерга где подхват где мельница где борьба где ???? у етих америских борцов где приемы ???? А тут дела россияских борцов разная школа разные приемы драка интрига короче борррба чемпионат России интереснее на много чем олимпийские игры.
This is one instance the home town crowd swaying judgement of the referee to the Italian. Burroughs didn't go after him like he has in the past though so... this one was tough to watch.
Jb is doing something known as negative wrestling which is when you're constantly clearing ties. Even though he was pressuring he was doing negative wrestling so he got a stall call.
Gave Chamizo a point for Burroughs being passive? Burroughs shot and touched his leg three times in the 30 second shot clock? What match is this ref watching?
No se los demas pero siempre supe que Chamizo era, es y sigue siendo mejor luchador que Burroughs pero el subir de categoria lo hizo mas pesado y lento aunque adquirio mas fuerza Es mi humilde comentario : )
When pro box be like this i will be happy. This is the truth. Two real monster dont put as stars by promoters:a 4 weight divition medallist and two time world champion (Chamizo) fighting vs a two time olympic champion and world champion too (Jordan).
Wait, is this an upload of an old match? I thought these two wrestled eachother a few years ago? Can someone please tell me?😕 Both these guys are AMAZING! I wish this sport was more popular in the U.S. 😁👍🏾🤼🏾♂️
@@vladumirberoza3899 Пам-мам не знаю.Но однообразная борьба Сидакова-проход в правую ногу и назад-НЕ-ИН-ТЕРЕС-НА! У кого он выграл,у этих же обоих-Чамизо,Барроуз,такие же как Сидаков?! Победы и поражения от АЛЛАХА-БОГА! ЖАМАЛОВ-МИРОВОЙ СУПЕРВУНДЕРКИНД! Его интересно смотреть,техничный,яркий,атакующий,своя уникальная техника.Жамалов вернул интерес к борьбе.Опыта не хватает,слишком азартный и любит атаковать,но ничего,наберается! ЭРА ЖАМАЛОВА НАСТУПАЕТ. Из российских борцов такой же интересный Цаболов.Кроме ЖАМАЛОВА,в школе братьев Сайтиевых еще один интересно борец в этой категории,Умар Муталиев,Чемпион России 2020 по юношам,тоже чеченец. Еще более интересно в этой же весе ХЬАМЗАТ ЭЛЬДАРОВ из Чечни,Чемпион России по молодежи 2020 г.
@@beslantovsultanov2189 сколько много слов, всё проще, я вынужден повторится: ковёр покажет. На счёт Разамбека я согласен с вами отличный борец, желаю ему удачи, но при этом считаю, (это моё мнение), что Сидаков в этом весе лучший в мире на данный момент.
Так этот проход он делал отменно, благодаря своей коронке он добился больших успехов, но его арсенал оказался немного скудным для конкуренции на самом высоком уровне. Сейчас одного прохода недостаточно для того чтобы конкурировать за первое место, соперники(начиная с Царгуша) уже давно подстроились на его манеру проведения боя!
Refereeing needs improvement, but I like that he stayed aggressive with passivity. Refs should never have focus on a single athlete and it did show here. There was a poor judgment call at the match start in which resulted in Burroughs being forced to chase points. USA could of thrown a challenge brick. Also, this is freestyle wrestling and not sumo wrestling. I really would like to see some change in our international rules with it. Chamizo and others expose this and it’s not fulfilling to watch as a former athlete and fan. Also, Burroughs needs more practice on this mat type. He wasn’t comfortable with his feet catching on it.
@Андрей Семёнов Они своих земляков и в глаза то не видели ни разу.Не говоря о том,чтоб рублем помочь в их трудные времена.А туда же-в личные менеджеры известных борцов😀!
They are both great wrestlers, we love them both in Iran. ❤❤
I thought Jordan would take him down at the end but credit to Chamizo, a two time world champ in his own right.
Wtf? JB firing off shots, working his head, changing levels, motion. How is that passive?
JB was crawling on his knees. Please.
@@Monscent you don't like jordan?
Jordan was not at his best this match thb
I'm not too familiar with freestyle but from what I've been reading I think it has to do with keeping your butt towards the center of the mat versus towards the outside. Not necessarily the action
@Kevin,,, it's just another way on how the United States wrestlers are getting screwed in international competition. 😠
I’m just discovering wrestling now but my word it’s amazing. Wish it was a big thing here
where is here?
Where are you from?
@@mrt445 NZ maybe, that's where I from and if you look up wrestling clubs here all you get is WWE shit.
I wasn't aware that the crowd could scream "RED PASSIVE" and the blue wrestler would get points for it. Is that a new rule in freestyle or what?
The crowd has no idea what they’re even watching, just screaming passives when both guys are working. This isn’t a gd entertainment sport, it’s a physical chess match..
I think JB was getting hit because, even tho he was working to set up attacks, he was walking backward all match
Gotta hold center in freestyle.
No, if you're passive to long other wrestler gets a point and you get down in parterre position.
@@Bjorlin1 I understand the rules of freestyle wrestling, my point is that both wrestlers were actively fighting for position but somebody in the crowd just kept screaming "RED PASSIVE" over and over until the ref caved, even though Chamizo didn't even attempt to attack for almost the entire match.
another example of why folkstyle is a better format. this match turned into a game of push your opponent out of the circle. they both can do better.
If this was folk score would be 0-0. And go to a boring ride out in overtime.
I agree it would turn into a boring ride out and if you went by NCAA rules riding time would apply but it's too slow, folk style, that is. If you recall these rules of 1 point push-outs, 1 point passivity / shot clock, and if tied score at regulation then whoever scores last or whoever scored on moves that had higher points wins for all meant to speed the game up and favor the offensive wrestler, and it was also meant to make it more interesting so that wrestling would not be cut from the Olympic games
Jordan was literally crawling towards his opponent. Embarrassing.
Hard to beat the opponent and the refs, I hear.
Damn. Nice match. Whoever is yelling passive the entire time needed to stop. Lots of action and great wrestling here. The new passive rules suck. Please change them back!
chamizo just playing sumo and running away. He touched a leg like 3 times
FACTS how tf did jordan get put on the shot clock 2 times when he took more shots?!?!?!?
@@ericwatts6161 so basically Jordan should have had the win right?
@@theamazing10yearold65 no he shouldn’t have been on the shot clock twice ??
@@ericwatts6161 so with a different ref was doing it fairly Jordan would have won that match right?
I thought the exact same thing!
So much defensive game ..not single take down..but chamizo improve alot
Really incredible defense at 1:46. Very impressive.
You gotta remember they train together
Those calls of passivity are stupid i saw no more aggression from chamizo than i did from burroughs did they just expect burroughs to shoot the entire time or what?
Who knew jimmy butler was such a good wrestler
I dont understand why Burroughs was on the shot clock twice, but Chamizo wasnt on it once. If anything, it seemed as if he was stalling and never tried to take Burroughs down.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that felt this way
@@paulbustos- can you explain why Jordan didn’t have 2 in the exchange that happened in the first 10 seconds?
Bc Chamizo had control of the center. He made it appear, by taking control of the center, that he wasn’t being passive. By constantly pressuring Jordan to the edge, Jordan couldn’t look anything but passive.
Very interesting that neither was able to score a takedown
Wow. A lot to unpack there... didn't come off to me as a 100% effort match
Jordan was literally crawling towards his opponent. Embarrassing.
Барроуз давно изучен!!проход или ползок в обе ноги и все и максимум это проход назад и скручивание!!!вот три действия и вся его борьба !!
Реально так и есть. Никогда я не занимался борьбой, но видел несколько поединков Барроуза, и даже я считаю его очень предсказуемым борцом, другое дело его физика на уровне...
Разамбек Джамалов и Заур Сидаков)
Нет бусик и махьач
Нет путин и байден
So Jordan was out on a shot clock while the other guy literally never took a single shot and ran the last 20 seconds... Seems legit
lol fuck off. Jordan 100% lost this match
I once heard the commentator say the shot clock has more to do with lack of scoring than passivity. And since Chamizo scored first... Could be totally wrong though.
kdödöe et millet millet ki işçili cad yy. cad on da buy k.kö et millet ki işçili eeöpöwkdöx ı cad
Exactly Jordan took probably 10-20 shots. Chamizo took like 1
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Really happy for Chamizo but Burroughs definitely looked off didn’t seem his normal explosive self at all
Exactly. I was looking for this comment
Burroughs is studied up and down, not so much to show- only a few moves. Outstanding physical conditions and steroids. Ah sorry he had already said the same about Geduev. This time Chamizo should have been on steroids
@@archibald6712 salty
@@archibald6712 so these foreign non english speaking opponents along with their coaches study him and talk strategies?
@@bacbou939 did jb get 3rd place?
Оба на равном уровне как по мне👍🏻 Чамизо чуть больше дает искры ⚡️
I'm just going to say what I saw and heard. From the sounds of the crowd, it seems like they have a heavy bias against Burroughs. Only 5-10 seconds after they start wrestling against, and each time you hear people yelling loudly "RED PASSIVE", even though Chamizo is only trying to push Burroughs out of bounds. Looks like the ref caved in to the yelling almost each time too. Burroughs wasn't being passive; just let both of these men wrestle, and if there is negative wrestling, then you call passive (not when you hear the crowd yelling getting louder).
Vedere Chamizo-Burroughs è sempre uno spettacolo! Grande Italia!
È un mostro, troppo bello da guardare
74 кг это просто пушка в мире борьбы
That hurt JBs heart. I love that dude!
Или Барроуз уже ни тот, или Чамизо стал настолько крут!
Чамизо смотрелся высококлассно!
Есть ещё порох..!!
...даа!!..Чамизо на пике формы!!..сегодня он лучше чем когда либо!..может олимпиаду взять если она состоится..
Watched with the sound off. These judges are buggin. You lose for being the aggressor and staying busy taking shots, trying to work and advance? While the opponent just holds and defends????? This was clearly rigged.
hat off to chamizo but borroughs seemed to not be wrestling at his full potential for some reason, maybe the pressure just got to him
I noticed the same, he looked sluggish
What kind of wrestlers does Frank have in this fight?
I will never understand new freestyle. One wrestler takes two shots the entire match and the other guy gets put on the shot clock twice? Sigh.
Hate it
Burroughs used to show another wrestling in past, he wrestled up to the end, never gave up
JB seems thin. Not as bulky as years past. Still fast smart
максимум вам серебро или бронза, ушел век барроуза и чамизо
Жамалов Чемп
Сидаков😉
матчевую встречу в республике Дагестан 100 раз интереснее посмотреть чем этот финал!!!обоим дизлайк,ровным счетом ничего не сделали!!!!
Сборная Казахстана взяла 3 золотых медали на этом чемпионате 👍🏻
Куттуктайм баурм .🇰🇬🇰🇿
2 общекомандное!)
Я бы сказал Вам разрешили взять эти три медали
@@alikhanurusov6396 зачем ты так брат? ну разрешили или нет, не тебе судить, то, что сборная России участвовала там частично, спору нет. Но спортсмены же не просто пролежали на матах все отведённое время.
@@Fisher007Almaty Брат деп кимге болсада жазуларынды койындарсай, ойыншык кылдындарго кунды созди
Chamizo didn't take a single shot, unless I missed something. He's a great wrestler but this was a bit of a robbery. As people were saying, Burroughs was never passive.
Passive or not, JB lost this fair and square. Every exchange went to Chamizo, and JB was crawling on his knees at the end.
How didnt Jordan get the point at the 5:40 mark, chamizo deliberately ran out bounds and the only reason Jordan got off his back was because he clearly thought it was stopped and was ready to reset
Notice how chamizo wins matches but it's never because he got a takedown.
Что бы не говорили насчет Барроуза,он является самым титулованным борцом из ныне выступающих!
По моему Садулаев титулованнее на сегодня
Нытик Борроуз
Самый титулованный всем титулованным это бесспорно Садуллаев (ТАНК) из Дагестана.
А вот эти два ЧЕЛОВЕКА борятся как то без стержня! Это наверное из за того, что у этой рассы нет в крови борцовских способностей, А вот когда борятся борцы из Средней Азии, Кавказ то это сразу вызывает восхищение, схватки интересные, красивые, сразу поднимают давление на 220 и переполняются эмоции от их приёмов, сразу понятно что борьба это СУННА! Ассаламу алейкум из Кыргызстана, держитесь там
Отдыхают от Разамбека))
Согласен)
ну да , особенно Барроуз
@@sport3991 это какой турнир
@@Kruglyu турнир Яшар Догу
@@sport3991 спасибо
Да-да, и сейчас Барроуз проиграл, потому что чамисо на стероидах:D. Как он сказал на Интервью о Гедуеве
Finally Chamizo won
Чамизо Натренирован Кавказцами где был Барроуз
They already look tired before starting the fight ! How s that ! They are better than this...
Chamizo definitely brought a different beast this time around against Burroughs. He did not disappoint
He didn't even take a single shot
Wow Jordan had that 2. Can't leave no doubt with some refs
Chamizo as always on the defencive and jordan gets called for passivity just great
JB is the best us wrestler ever.
IDK what was poorer quality, the ref or the mat they were on.
Anyone one know the overall score for JB vs Chamizo?
Борроуз постарше стал выглядеть!
Ну да, возраст берет свое
Силен
Бухает)))
Grande Chamizo 🤞🇮🇹👍
Что за турнир?
Где качерга где подхват где мельница где борьба где ???? у етих америских борцов где приемы ???? А тут дела россияских борцов разная школа разные приемы драка интрига короче борррба чемпионат России интереснее на много чем олимпийские игры.
100%
Ятоже хотел так написать и увидел твой
Razambek 🔥
Андрей Семёнов надеюсь скоро увидим реванш 🔥
@Андрей Семёнов Это твоё мнение? Разамбек под конец два балла взял. А эти по одному баллу за сумо взяли
This is one instance the home town crowd swaying judgement of the referee to the Italian. Burroughs didn't go after him like he has in the past though so... this one was tough to watch.
Chami not stalling? But JB hit? Wow
Jb is doing something known as negative wrestling which is when you're constantly clearing ties. Even though he was pressuring he was doing negative wrestling so he got a stall call.
@@beater4742 good explanation. thanks
That ref is horrid...
Both are on an equal level as for me, just Chamizo gives more sparks 💥
Gave Chamizo a point for Burroughs being passive? Burroughs shot and touched his leg three times in the 30 second shot clock? What match is this ref watching?
This passive warning is ridiculous
No se los demas pero siempre supe que Chamizo era, es y sigue siendo mejor luchador que Burroughs pero el subir de categoria lo hizo mas pesado y lento aunque adquirio mas fuerza
Es mi humilde comentario : )
Tienes razón ,si chamizo se hubiera quedado en 65 o 70 kg nadie le ganaría ,era una fiera
Борроуз неочем. Только проходы в ноги умеет и все. Давно все поняли уже как ппотив него бороться. Не разносторонии борец. Чамизо красавчик
Снял с языка ,стал пленником своей коронки...
Ведь праход ему помогло стать 4кратном чемпиона Мира и в олимпиаде 2012г
Chamizo was the man!
When pro box be like this i will be happy.
This is the truth.
Two real monster dont put as stars by promoters:a 4 weight divition medallist and two time world champion (Chamizo) fighting vs a two time olympic champion and world champion too (Jordan).
Старый лев со временем, вытесняется из прайда более молодыми "коллегами"! В борьбе такая же фигня...
Только Сайтиева убрать ни кто не мог!
А Махач?
wait, the first takedown wasn't 2?? dang haha
Wait, is this an upload of an old match? I thought these two wrestled eachother a few years ago? Can someone please tell me?😕 Both these guys are AMAZING! I wish this sport was more popular in the U.S. 😁👍🏾🤼🏾♂️
This sport is very popular in the US
It’s literally the most popular in the US and Russia
@@Jaxcashit is definitely not the most popular sport in the United States
Tough match jordan!.. we all know you can beat him and your a better wrestler... that just the breaks sometimes!
Про них скоро фильм снимут👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Вот интересно Сослан Ромонов и Burroughs они уже боролись??
Вряд ли. Всё-таки они выступают в разных весовых категориях.
Борроуз уже не тот. Свое время он был бульдозером.
Сидакова нет, вот они как в финал оба прошли, а то я подумал за бронзу борются.
Сидаков? Сидаков не в теме, за рулем разамбек
@@tomadf6528 на этой неделе ковёр покажет, кто в доме папа.
@@vladumirberoza3899 Пам-мам не знаю.Но однообразная борьба Сидакова-проход в правую ногу и назад-НЕ-ИН-ТЕРЕС-НА! У кого он выграл,у этих же обоих-Чамизо,Барроуз,такие же как Сидаков?! Победы и поражения от АЛЛАХА-БОГА! ЖАМАЛОВ-МИРОВОЙ СУПЕРВУНДЕРКИНД! Его интересно смотреть,техничный,яркий,атакующий,своя уникальная техника.Жамалов вернул интерес к борьбе.Опыта не хватает,слишком азартный и любит атаковать,но ничего,наберается! ЭРА ЖАМАЛОВА НАСТУПАЕТ.
Из российских борцов такой же интересный Цаболов.Кроме ЖАМАЛОВА,в школе братьев Сайтиевых еще один интересно борец в этой категории,Умар Муталиев,Чемпион России 2020 по юношам,тоже чеченец.
Еще более интересно в этой же весе ХЬАМЗАТ ЭЛЬДАРОВ из Чечни,Чемпион России по молодежи 2020 г.
@@beslantovsultanov2189 сколько много слов, всё проще, я вынужден повторится: ковёр покажет. На счёт Разамбека я согласен с вами отличный борец, желаю ему удачи, но при этом считаю, (это моё мнение), что Сидаков в этом весе лучший в мире на данный момент.
@@tomadf6528 за рулём Розамбек, а на ковре Сидаков!!!
wasn't this a long time ago?
hint: look at the fucking stupid ass face shield on the ref
Not one call against the Italian. One sided as hell! Put The American on the shot clock twice? What the fuck!! He shot like 20 times!!!
that first extange wasn't a takedown for boroughs???
How tf was that not a takedown in the beginning?
This 2 guys are a wrestling school
Берроуз вообще что нить умеет кроме прохода ?
Ты знаешь кому это говоришь
Так этот проход он делал отменно, благодаря своей коронке он добился больших успехов, но его арсенал оказался немного скудным для конкуренции на самом высоком уровне. Сейчас одного прохода недостаточно для того чтобы конкурировать за первое место, соперники(начиная с Царгуша) уже давно подстроились на его манеру проведения боя!
The judges was about diversity on the calling.
Almost in impossible to takedown a defense wrestler like chamizo with the American style
Also i didnt know you can get points for a push-out by using open palms to the face/eyes
Chamizo es cuban 🇨🇺💪🏻
Чамизо не провел ни одного атакующего действия, всё время защищался, это не борьба
Burroughs looked super labored, fatigued
Damn I don’t remember this match
JB won. Control at the beginning was not scored properly.
Два демона 💪💪💪💪
Это когда они боролись?
2 дня назад
Негр из Дагестана красава)))
Когда это было??
В субботу
Is there any wrestler to beat khabib?
Bravo,süper gladyatoren
Not the same wout manning in JB corner
Who’s in JBs corner?
@@floridaman8136 usually mark manning his coach from college is in his corner.
Капец, у нас школьники лучше приёмы проводят. А тут только выталкивания...
Refereeing needs improvement, but I like that he stayed aggressive with passivity. Refs should never have focus on a single athlete and it did show here. There was a poor judgment call at the match start in which resulted in Burroughs being forced to chase points. USA could of thrown a challenge brick. Also, this is freestyle wrestling and not sumo wrestling. I really would like to see some change in our international rules with it. Chamizo and others expose this and it’s not fulfilling to watch as a former athlete and fan. Also, Burroughs needs more practice on this mat type. He wasn’t comfortable with his feet catching on it.
Just watched a guy get robbed of a match. Ima Chamizo and Burroughs fan I hope Chamizo didn’t have anything to do with this officiating
JB seems to not be able to finish shots like he used to. Still dangerous and fun to watch though.
Wow that was 2 .... no doubt ‼️
Их всех ждет классик веса, Заур Сидаков. Это их страшный сон!
Он не страшный
Согласен , Заур это 💪
@Андрей Семёнов Они своих земляков и в глаза то не видели ни разу.Не говоря о том,чтоб рублем помочь в их трудные времена.А туда же-в личные менеджеры известных борцов😀!
..сегодня Чамизо лучший!..