MAYDAY. Engine failure. Emergency return | Austrian Airlines Boeing 767-300 | Washington Dulles, ATC
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2022
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17-APR-2022. An Austrian Airlines Boeing 767-300 (B763), registration OE-LAE, performing flight AUA94 / OS94 from Washington Dulles International Airport, DC (USA) to Vienna International Airport (Austria) after departure, about at 14000 feet, declared MAYDAY, reported engine failure and decided to return back to Washington Dulles International Airport.
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COMMENTS: Austrian 94 was climbing out of Dulles Airport. In a moment the crew will contact Departure controller.
AUA94: MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY, Austrian 94 Heavy, we have an engine failure, request radar vectors to holding area.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, turn right heading 170.
AUA94: Right heading 190, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, amend the altitude, maintain 14000.
AUA94: Maintain 14000, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, when able, say intentions, number… amount of fuel remaining on board, passengers on board and the nature of the emergency.
AUA94: Austrian 94, stand by.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, turn right heading 190.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, turn right heading 190.
AUA94: Right heading 190, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, Potomac Departure.
AUA94: Go ahead, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, turn right heading 200.
AUA94: Right 200, Austrian 94 Heavy. …heading 200, confirm.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, affirmative, 200.
AUA94: 200 and request holding for about 10 minutes to…
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, roger, expect holding, when able just say your intentions.
AUA94: Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, do you want lower?
AUA94: …, Austrian 94 Heavy?
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, do you want lower?
AUA94: …, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, descend and maintain 13000… for right now, advise if you need lower.
AUA94: 13000, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94, are you gonna divert to Dulles or another airport?
AUA94: We’d like to divert to Dulles again, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, roger, you’re cleared to Dulles via radar vectors, maintain 13000.
AUA94: Maintain 13000, vectors for Dulles, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, turn right heading 270.
AUA94: 270, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, descend and maintain 11000.
AUA94: Descend and maintain 11000, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, when able say the fuel remaining in minutes and souls on board.
AUA94: Souls on board… 163, 163 souls on board, no dangerous goods and fuel remaining is 38 tons.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, how many pounds?
AUA94: 164 souls on board, negative 163, 163 souls on board, Austrian 94 Heavy.
DEPARTURE: Austrian 94 Heavy, the fuel. Turn right heading 270.
AUA94: Right heading 270, Austrian 94 Heavy.
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Holy sheep dip, luckily the pilots weren't busy flying the plane, the pilot told you everything you needed to know, Mayday.
Stop bothering them.
Well handled by the crew. US ATC can be a pain to work with - non-standard phraseology and no information being passed on from one sector to another. Let them fly & land the plane. Unneccessary interruptions on final ("get off at the taxiway . . ") included. A single-engine landing is no joke for anyone so let them do their job. Controllers sometimes really ought to be put in planes in emergency stations to better understand what's happening up there if you get the lights, bells an whistles blaring in your ear while sitting on a s***load of fuel.
These controllers ought to have a conversion table handy. They muddy up the radio for lack of basic multiplication skills.
Right. Because multiplying by 2 is so hard? 38 tons? 76,000 pounds... assuming short tons. Should be close enough and if there's an explosion the NTSB can do the accurate conversion.
Why? Americans are better than the rest of the world, everyone else should make things easier for us. We didn’t conquer the world to use metric.
Fuel onboard/remaining units can be specified as: Time, Pounds, Kilograms, Tonnes (tons is incorrect), and (US) Gallons. Of those, 'Time' is somewhat ambiguous, but it does help controllers better manage the emergency in their airspace.
ARFF prefers volume or weight, but can convert Time to approximate volume or weight if they have the aircraft info.
For weight, most of the world uses metric weights (Kilograms & Tonnes; One Tonne equals 1,000 Kilograms, not 2,000 pounds), yet America still uses Pounds. In aviation, either Kilos/Kilograms or Pounds are used for weight to avoid confusion, and if 'Tonnes' is used, it is *always* the metric tonne.
For volume, 'Gallons' is used, and is always the US gallon.
ATC controllers, especially here in America, need to be able to convert from metric weight to imperial weight ( i.e., pounds). This burden should be on the controllers, not pilots. The context for souls & fuel is almost *alway* an emergency, and pilots are busy managing the emergency, and are not likely able to convert.
At some point America will eventually catch up with the rest of the world and go metric. Until then, the FAA should require *every* controller here in America to be able to convert metric to imperial, and vice versra. Doing so would cut down unnecessary chatter, and better allow pilots to do what they need to do.
Yes, indeed, exactly. Thank you for adding this informations!
Edit: All airliners can display fuel onboard in terms of "time remaining" by accessing the performance or progress page on their CDU/MCDU.
Well said
Realistically though, he just left Washington for Austria - so his fuel remaining in minutes is "plenty" and the controller shouldn't waste his time in asking.
@@andydaniel2 totally agree.
For other readers, the crew are busy with handling the aircraft / coordinating the checklists. A third person in this communication loop at this stage adds unnecessary complication. Souls on board and fuel remaining should be well down the list of priorities. There’s a reason why nearly every response to this is ‘standby’, followed up by being pressed for it again.
Regarding the MCDU/CDU. In the event of failure, the MCDU should not be relied on in case of a failure (many manufacturers state this). The CDU is based on a lot of possible assumptions which are likely to be invalid, plus it does not know the technical state of the aircraft.
An assumption it has enough fuel for the flight it’s undertaking and once the crew states its intentions to land…then is a good time for souls on board and time remaining. By that time, the MCDU / CDU will be set up to give a more representative figure.
the legend says they are still asking for fuel in pounds to this day
And sometimes in minutes.
:-)
outdated American, whole world is following Metrics but they are still in imperials
Tons gallons liters kilos ect 😂
Gave FOB in tons already, as indicated on the FQI. Such questions for fuel in lbs are rather distracting when you are working the checklists, communicating with the cabin crew, notifying the company, preparing for relanding. I think, ATC could have done the math kgs to lbs.
bro i swear to god i was on this flight
it was so scary ngl, after the engine failed all the cabin lights cut off. if i remember correctly it was the left engine.
it’s amazing to see that the pilot was so calm during this. i was terrified lmao.
Fuel on board?
Plenty. We just left your airport and planned to fly to Europe... what do you honestly think?
If you are wondering about are endurance? We got enough to hold for hours of troubleshooting. Worried about overweight landing or fuel dumping? Let us worry about that.
If you are afraid of fireballs...well, there's a shit ton of fuel on board both in 3, 30 and even 300 mins, so you might want to have the fire brigade on standby...
Pilot: 38 tonnes of fuel
ATC: Uh, how many swimming pools is that ?
Pilot: We have about 9,500 gallons
ATC: How much in pounds ?
Pilot: We paid in Euros
ATC: Ok... so, 9,500 pounds of Euros ?
thank you for that laugh
HAHAHAHAHHA
Always baffles me that the controllers can't pull out their phone and google 38,000 KG to lbs.
It's like "Hey I know you're doing a red checklist but go ahead and do some math for me"
Or just learn kg x 2,2 = lbs 😂
Because America is the best country on earth.
It's been said before but not only do I think ATC should manage doing calculations like that on their own, in an emergency they should assist the pilots in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. Slightly worrying, in this situation they managed fine but there's plenty of examples where ATC distracted the pilots way too much in emergencies and it become more dangerous because of it.
Reminds me of that BAW 747 that took off from a US airport, bound for home. They had an engine issue and needed to go back. Controller asks for fuel in grains avoirdupois or something, is told “54 tonnes”. He then asks back, “5400 pounds?” 747. Going across the Atlantic. Yeah, 5400 lbs sounds about right.
Kudos for proper MAYDAY usage. On, and @ATC - get some goddamn conversion tables and stop bothering pilots in emergency who are using civilized metric units with such nonsense.
the world has lots of non metric units
Agreed. As if the pilots do not have enough to do during this emergency, ATC think they have the time to do the conversion as well, not only that they were being being bombarded with a lot of unimportant questions straight after their mayday call when they are busy re configuring the aircraft.
regarding the proper mayday use. The thing is controllers and pilots in europe stick to standard phraseology. I dont know why americans cant do that 😅 after all isnt that what they are taught?
Heard this being asked so many times. Asking the question of weight of ‘fuel remaining’ and insisting it being answered in pounds by ATC is ridiculous at a time why pilots are concentrating on the onboard emergency. Pilot…engine 1 down. ATC…fuel in pounds please? Pilot engine two down. ATC fuel in pounds? Pilot…ok, I’ll just get my calculator out, I’ve nothing else to be getting on with 🙄
Finding it interesting how the controller is not letting the pilots handle their emergency. Pilot said standby and controller keep on insisting what the nature is. Pilot requests a holding and no holding given and then the fuel situation… 😂 good Job from both sides of the microphone but US controllers should learn to let the pilot do their job and in the meanwhile their job is re-route other airplanes around the Mayday traffic
Pilot: "Mayday Mayday .. "
ATC: "Excuse me sir, can you solve this equation for me real quick? I'm a bit busy!"
Anyone else wanting to tell this initial controller to shutup and stop talking. Doesn't even understand the basics of 'standby'
Why are they so into the "fuel in pounds"?! Any ATC that can explain it to me? You have an aircraft with engine failure and they're running god knows how many checklist and getting everything together, now they have to do computations for you too? Google it the fucking thing.
It's too difficult for them to get the f****** phone and multiply 38000 by 2.2, you know? The pilots just have an engine failure and have to run who knows how many checklist and 163 people on board... so yes, basically doing nothing 🤦♂️
May ATC have some extra tasks more for the crew during an emergency!? 😵💫
Evidently when passed off to different controllers they don't transfer the info. Each one wanted to know souls on board, how much fuel, and the nature of the emergency. Very inefficient! The pilot(s) are very busy so why not pass on the info?
I don’t know if this will help but ATC Controllers should have 3hrs observation seat in a commercial airplane simulator per year to observe the workload associated with various emergencies for a departing aircraft. This is a mayday, give the flight crew a direct heading to fix as soon as requested where they can hold and move other aircraft away. One pilot will fly, navigate and talk to you while the other addresses the emergency, runs the checklist and both will troubleshoot. By giving turns left, right, descents or climbs, ATC interrupts either an emergency checklist being performed or a troubleshooting sometimes long happening in the cockpit, increasing the workload of the flight crew in an already hazardous situation.
This whole video felt like people were stepping on the radio! Jesus.
I've listened to many ATC videos involving international flights in the US, when they say Kilos Most ATC accept that answer in Kilos, i've heard a few say for pounds but most don't.
Why can't ATC find a fifth grader to find pounds from tons.
I guess the neurons of ATCs in the USA short-circuit when they use the international system. It's not like they can find that out getting the phone and multiplying 38000 by 2.2. Too difficult.
@@javiTests Unfortunately, '2.2" happens to trigger deep stupor in us Americans... damn, that took me the entire day to write...
To ATC: 38 tonnes = 83 775 lbs ..... or approx. 277 bath tubs of water / 160 848 cups of coffee / 40.5 Narwhals.
... now, let the pilots land their plane! lol. they have enough on their plate here I'm sure.
For simplification purposes, all amounts of fuel should from now on be communicated in swimming pools, all distances in football fields and all heights in Empire State Buildings
Can you please do CLX9592, ORD-LUX? Departed ORD at approx 0625Z (01:25 CST) 20APR2022. False fire warning indication in one or more of the main landing gear wells, dumped fuel over Lake Michigan, and landed heavy at ORD. No ground crew was available to park them for about 30 minutes as we had all gone home for the night and had to go back.
Thank you!
Okay, thank you.
@@YouCanSeeATC THANK YOU!!!
Fuel in peeaounds please.
Oupsy jeb brooks just made a nice video about this plane ✈️
Wow. The obsession with fuel in lbs, someone tell ATC to just x2.2 and add the zeros!
On June 8th, OE-LAE agian departed as OS 94 but returned to Dulles shortly after departure. It returned to Vienna one day later. Do you know what happened this time?
It was airspeed disagree as i remember. But they didn't declare. Just returned.
@@YouCanSeeATC thanks!
Was the controller asking the pilots to convert units for them? lol.
I am so glad, America decided to use the same time system, 24h 60 min 60 sec, as the rest of the world. 🙂
I was on that flight
My gosh, are those two frequencies mixed into eachother?
That was the best quality i got. Somehow another frequency was recorded on frequency we need.
@@YouCanSeeATC normally those recordings are stereo in this case and you have to split the channels to two mono channels and select the one you want :)
I tried to do that. Unfortunately there were two frequencies on both mono.
@@YouCanSeeATC okay, weird maybe the operator of this scanner made a mistake setting it up. Maybe shoot em an email? 🤔
Or the receiver suffers from a really bad case of break-in.
Are they not able to multiply by 2.205?
Apparently, no!
Controllers are either idiots or ATC needs to do better training if they are not capable of converting fuel 38 tons to pounds ...the pilots are having an emergency ...controllers are sitting on their chairs...
Is US atc still understaffed as in no assistant controllers to do all the coordinating etc, even at major airports? There are at least 3 pilots ;-p
I wonder how many fuel in ounces.
How many teaspoons is that?
how many football fields is that?
Avoirdupois or Troy ounces?
Controllers not that bright. Asked for fuel in pounds. Both should have realized that this aircraft uses metric weights and should have used readily available resources to convert "38 [metric] tons" (38,000 kilos) to pounds instead of bothering this busy crew. Dunces.
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Pilot: Mayday. Engine failure. Request vectors to holding area.
ATC: Say intentions. Say nature of emergency. 🤦♂️🤦
Those good old 767's are just that.. good and old.. they are getting long in the tooth.
This specific aircraft was delivered in November 2000, so it´s now aged a little bit more then 21 years.
He just doesn't want to give them the fuel in pounds :D
Another one returned yesterday! 6/8/22
Yup, there was airspeed disagree. But they didn't declared an emergency.
17th April or 18th????
17
what is april in pounds?
@@YouCanSeeATC Fr24 says 18th of April
@@EVE101Patt lmao dude
ATC wanting fuel in pounds is quite shameful considering that only 5% of the world uses pounds. Seems Americans are too ignorant to understand that America is the country stopping standardisation even in something as important as flight safety
ATC likely is asking for the remaining fuel on board to help determine if a fuel dump is necessary for an emergency landing within the weight limits of the jet. The workload is heavy during an emergency for the pilots. Fuel dumps should occur at higher altitudes. Everyone is just doing their job....even if it means that they ask the same question over and over.
Except they said 38 tonnes remaining… so that’s not what is happening. The workload is heavy and atc is increasing it by asking questions they already have the answer to and repeating questions when they’ve been asked to standby.
Or primarily for the fire department to know what kind of fire to expect - if things go sour. But it's not that difficult to convert 38t to 38.000kg and then to whatever US / imperial unit you want to use.
Nope buddy only the pilots take that decision based on maximum landing weight. They have the data Fuel , pax , cargo and can judge if the plane can land or if they need to dump
Yeah everyone is doing there job, but the ATC is doing it poorly.
If that was the case, the two questions from ATC should have been: "fuel?"- "38t", "Will this be an overweight landing?"
wie bescheuert ist dass denn.
what's 34 X 2000lbs = Z
Do you know which engine? Duh
Wow, the traffic controlers dont know how to convert tons to pounds or gallons, thas basic math!!! Ufff!!!
AUA94: We have 38 tons.... ATC: Say in Pounds.... Typical American ATC.... Should be able to calculate it by hisself :)
i think the pilot was drunken
I wander, when Americans learn to use metric system, used everywhere else in a world? Asking for a friend.
They tried. It was too difficult.
the whole world uses time, 60, 12, 24 e.t.c, that's not metric. there's lots of non metric units
Im American and we learn the metric system more than the imperial system in schools. It’s weird because at least I can convert the metric system better but only really know what the imperial system looks like
@@jamescollier3 Actually time defined in metric system. Metric system cover all units of measurement. Metric system does not mean decimal system.
Are we going to start using meters instead of feet for altitude? What about knots..is that more like mph or kph? I'm fine with lbs or kg.. but I don't get why people are so triggered by it. I agree that atc should be able to convert tho.. but actually they asked for time, but instead of repeating that request he than wanted the pilots to convert.
waste of time