I don’t know the corner of the world you’re from, all I see is Embiid haters, 30 years from now, the way people talk about him, new fans are gonna think he was some bumbling idiot that always gets injured
@@JayTeeAyy If all you see is one side then you have to widen your perspective, respectfully. All players have haters and Embiid has been polarizing for years. All I meant by my original comment was that the hate of Jxmys title and thumbnail was an overreaction.
@@tobiaskent6939 The hate was warranted. Click bait is designed to capture that reaction before clicks. This is literally a natural reaction to normal clickbait situations lol. Jimmy knows that too, and the fact it's a topic right now blows me away
@@tobiaskent6939 it's no different than any other clickbait scenario. It's just Joel Embiid on the thumbnail. If the fans get defensive before watching, they at least identify the flaws with him. But it's just clickbait tho lol
i actually disagree because hes not accounting for actual injuries 19:16 im assuming these are the 50 players hes talking about. how many of these are load management and how many are injureis? Zion? injury, JJJ? injury, AD, KAT, etc.
As Legend of Winning pointed out, there's only been 1 guy to win MVP who played less than 65 in a non-shortened season in NBA history, and that was Bill Walton when he played 58 games, so even without the rule, its always been there as a sort of unwritten rule
@@BIGAMBERFAN26/12/9 in 52 games vs 35/11/6 in 34 games. 9ppg vs 3ast 1reb and playing already 18 more games and the season isn't even over yet. Jokic clears
@@simple45679 9 points is a massive difference, not really something to just gloss over in the same breath as “1 rebound.” not to mention embiid is a much more dominant defender if you wanted to argue that jokic got robbed last year i would have agreed with you, i don’t think embiid deserved that mvp. but this is not last year, it’s this year. and if embiid wasn’t having health issues this would have been the first year he actually deserved it.
just a reminder. players' union agreed to this, and im sure somebody as injury prone as Embiid had a look at this cba agreement. shit happens sometimes, its a risk you take by choosing this job.
THIS. And the players, when presented with the new CBA which included these stipulations, voted for it. But suddenly now it's a "bad rule"? Lol...okay.
Add context, we agreed with yo uguys on the Ben Simmons stuff, but we know Embiid more than anyone else out the orginasation and we see him get hurt, not just missing because he can but literally hurt and that is just unfair to say as you paint it like he doesn't want to work
As a veteran of the USN, I think this rule of 65 games is really effective towards things us fans don’t see. Things the most casual fans don’t think or care about…and that’s taking care of your body off the court. When you join the military, you sign a contract essentially stating that you are government property. You now have the added responsibility of taking care of yourself in a way that ensures you’re available to meet the mission, and that’s what we sign up for. The crazy thing is, we don’t get paid as much as athletes, but that sense of responsibility is there. The fact that you can sign a multi million dollar contract and not even be pushed to take care of yourself is crazy. Lebron has shown what longevity can look like if you really put resources behind taking care of your body. Yes, he’s a genetic freak, but on top of that, he’s done things off the court to stay in shape that other players just won’t do, and that’s a problem. The medical field can get more advanced, but if by that happening all the players get lazier, what’s the point. We’re supposed to be seeing an increase in availability over time, and I think it’s because players aren’t taking things serious off the court. This rule gives them more of a reason to. They’re spoiled, to be honest. But what else is new.
that's not the point tho, i agree with the rule and that you have to take care of your body but some people's bodies just can't hold up, just like Yao Ming, it's got nth to do with work ethic. For Embid it's a damned if u do, damned if u don't thing with him, and that's what's annoying cuz dude has been injury prone ever since he stepped foot into the league and he constantly tries to play through them especially in the playoffs which fans usually would appreciate but instead people say he's dumb for it and say oh he's just doing it to look good. Fact is no matter what he does people are just gonna hate on him.
@@jonnstewart2023 And I can agree with that. I think injury prone players are the exceptions to this rule, so long as they’re doing the best they can to stay in shape. Players like Zion have literally frustrated everyone because he’s even admitted he wasn’t doing the best he could. Anthony Davis is another interesting situation. He plays with Lebron and I thought for sure his availability would increase if he started doing Lebron Esque things off the court, but that didn’t happen. Although, this year looks amazing for him. Aside from injury prone players, however, I’m also looking at players who simply could perform better on the court if they worked on their bodies more. It’s one thing to increase endurance by staying in shape, but there’s also simply staying in shape to give the best product on the court. The latter is something most star players don’t have to worry about because they’re amazing players, but so many could take leaps if they did more, in my opinion. Availability is still one of those things though.
The question here is if the rule "made" Embiid force himself to play, producing a severe injury to a top player in the League, resulting in fact in such player actually missing even more than 17 games. But considering most stars are playing mroe than ever... this is just stupid and the rule is working (for whatever is worth)
@@edgardoMurnia The question you bring is completely irrelevant, it doesn't matter if the rule "forced" Embiid to play or not, he should've been playing at least 65 games even before this was ever a thing, this new rule was long overdue. NBA players are not only divas but they are also mega greedy, in the pandemic adam silver basically said "so since yall are not going to be playing because of this global issue then there is going to be a cut in payment due to the lack of revenue from the games lost, the players then promptly jumped out of their couches and were eager to play LOL. There is a reason the league is 82 games long, these players want to be paid for the total *possible* amount of games while only actually playing 40-50% of it (sometimes 0%). There is no argument to be made, this rule is good for everyone but the greedy divas
@edgardoMurnia "state playing me than ever..." What?!? On average, players are playing less minutes and less games per year. The active day roster is 15 as opposed to 12 which was the norm until about 2012 (I may be wrong in that year). It makes no sense that players can't play 82 games or even 80% of them. I get injuries happen but missing games for rest? C'mon. Your guaranteed your money at least show up or let someone else play and earn the bag.
@@Intr0verticalyeah but he wasted a bunch of the games he had to miss ducking certain teams and just taking games off when he wasn’t injured,like whenever the 76ers play jokic and the nuggets,only reason I don’t feel bad for bro,cuz the 65 game rule is trying to prevent exactly what he was doing.
True but he did the exact same thing in his previous vid. Title and thumbnail shitting on embiid, takes 5+ minutes pretending like he’s against embiid, and spends the rest of the video defending him. Just a weird trajectory he’s on with the baiting
@@salemstar3859I mean at the end of the day content creation is a business, it gets views🤷🏽♂️ Is it the most agreeable thing no, but you gotta put food on the table
At this point just change the reward, the post season shows who is who, if you're the best in the regular and play offs (doesn't mean you need to win example pre pippen MJ) then you are the most valuable person in the league
People dont realize even if there was no 65 game rule, HE WOULD STILL NOT WIN MVP. The only mvp to win playing less than 65 games was bill walton, and people criticized that mvp to hell
@@edgardoMurniaThat’s his fault. He’s obsessed with those awards because he knows he can’t make it through an entire post season. No one is forcing these players to do anything. Did he feel pressured? Sure.
Well, the league is forcing them to play 65 to get All Nba nods that influence the contracts. So yeah, the League is forcing the players@@Onechance_ngl
On the 65 game thing: the solution is to stop tying contracts to awards. You really shouldn't be eligible for winning something while missing 25% of the season. But player salaries should not be tied to individual accolades that are voted on by media/coaches.
I always thought requiring a player to hit a bunch of awards before a team can offer the max is dumb af. If the team wants to give a mid player the maximum salary then let them!
Just found this channel, just want to say you are unexpectedly well spoken for someone in the basketball space. Maybe i'm just so used to sports talking heads, but your opinions are well worded and thought out and I appreciate it as a listener
People always pull the millaionares not wanting to play but never the billionaries not wanting to pay, like if YOUR team stinks you are still gaurnteed a spot in the NBA , chunks of the revenue and even if you get kicked out and have to forcefully sell the team you'll get a cool few billion.
One thing about the 65 game rule also is that it benefits the fans Imagine saving up to go to a game just to see the best players in the league, and they sit out despite being fully healthy, or because the player doesn’t take care of themselves off the court If you sign a max extension, not a supermax but a max extension and you choose not to play what are you getting that money for? Playoffs or no playoffs, that’s still your job It’s like the difference between missing work because you cannot perform your job and choosing not to do so, even if you do a minutes restriction that’s still showing up in some sense And one last point I wanna make, nobody was winning MVP playing 50-60 games unless it was a lockout and that was the max number of games, it’s been over 50 years since somebody won it with that number of games, and that was the outlier When you get injured because you didn’t condition properly that’s on you because you’ve got the bread, the equipment and the personnel there specifically to help you
He was a shoe in for the award. Jokic has been great but he’s taking it kind of coasting. Doesn’t mean Embiid better than Jokic he’s just having a better overall regular season.
@@joelman1989 Jokic has still been better IMO. And apart from that, Embiid had missed way too many games even before the injury. MVP = Most VALUABLE Player and a player provides *zero* value every time they miss a game.
My only real issue with the 65 game rule is it’s a hard cutoff when I think it should be a sliding scale. Someone playing 66 games winning an award over someone playing 64 games would be BS, but I strongly agree with the availability impacting your value. Embiid on a per game basis is way more valuable than Bam Adebayo, but if you tell me I can have embiid for 45 games or bam for 75, well, I think I might prefer bam.
@@stefankilleyajones3018 for sure, but even then let’s say 61 games so just under the appeal compared to 66. Which probably will happen on occasion, giannis was 2 games off of no award and not being able to appeal last year and still got first team honors
I get that no matter what, losing out on money sucks for these players, especially if these players are clearly good enough to warrant a supermax, but the argument at 5:00 isn't actually the whole story. The argument that an otherwise healthy player can be ineligible for the supermax because, in their contract year, they got hurt is wrong, the guideline is, "Additional supermax eligibility conditions require that the player must have been named (i) to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, (ii) Defensive Player of the Year in the preceding season or in two seasons during the preceding three seasons, or (iii) NBA MVP during the three preceding seasons." This means that a player can have 2 good seasons and then have an unlucky injury in the final season and still be eligible. Add onto this that there is an appeal process when players play very close to but less than, the 65-game threshold, and this is nothing if not reasonable. If a player does not get a supermax because they were injured for 2 out of 3 seasons then is that really unfair?
There has beeen an unwritten rule that you must play 65 game for mvp only 2 players in post merger nba (since 1977) have won mvp playing less than 65 games bill Walton and Giannis . Lebron and pedo Malone have also played less than 65 before but those were shortened lockout seasons 50 playable games in ‘99 and 66 in 2012.
There is practically a 0% chance that 82 games is the optimal number of games that has been calculated by experts, since it is the amount of games that was chosen all the way back in 1967 and has never changed with any of the changes in technology, international interest and accessibility. The odds of them choosing a perfect unchanging number of games is effectively 0.
@@Red_Ryan_Red The 65 game rule is more beneficial to the fans overall. Either someone will have to fight through the whole season to maintain their awards or choose to pick postseason success. If a player pulls off both of these it's even more impressive now.
Jxmy has some of the worst takes on NBA RUclips. Legend of Winning might be his only competition for consistently not knowing what the hell theyre talking about
@30:00: don't sign contracts without guaranteed money then. stop gambling on your contracts. no one respects US womens soccer crying for more money when they took guaranteed contracts and the mens team didnt and no one should respect NBA players crying that their non guaranteed contracts dont pay out because they cant play more than 3 quarters of the season.
Not Kawhi ducking the smoke 💨 😂. He’s at 47 games played in the first half of the season all I heard for the past 3 years was boy couldn’t go fr. I’d love to think he truly was injured but now it’s looking more like a “he was hurt” ( as in 85%) but didn’t wanna risk it. I’m just saying i need to see more appreciation/smoke for Kawhi playing more.
ME TOO!!! And not just this "he's finally healthy" cop-out!! Coincidences happen.... but then I look at AD playing regularly too... and saying "I started taking care of my body" after ALMOST A DECADE in the league!!!
I think Covid did more harm to the league than the fans realized or cared to remember from the games becoming more compressed, the shortened off seasons, the covid restrictions, and long COVID symptoms. Also the playoff structure change with the playoffs means more teams are playing harder for longer to get in so there’s less off nights in the league where a game would be easier and the playoffs to win a championship you need 16 wins there’s no team just running through the league last playoffs three teams played in over 18 playoff games
Embiid has to stop flopping is all. His goofy movements to draw fouls make his landings awkward which take a toll on your legs, especially for a 7 footer. Klay used to spread out his legs to draw fouls on 3s, messing up his form. he ended up getting hurt for the doing that later in the season.
I still don't understand fans being mad at this rule. You can turn on a game and actually see stars play. People complained about the regular season not mattering and now the NBA is trying to change that with the in season tournament and actually making players play games. Just enjoy basketball fr
Even without the rule, depending on if/when he came back, he wouldn’t have won it anyways. Nobody is winning MVP being out from before all-star break through the rest of the season.
Thing with embiid getting injured is; thats his biggest weakness. For the most part, even his playoff drops are caused due to his health. If we are evaluating the most valuable player, you should factor in if they can stay healthy for 65 games. I do thing the 65 games thing WILL become an issue in the future but i dont think embiid is the case for it.
I never understood why the 65 game rule was an issue to begin with. These guys get paid millions to shoot a basketball not sit on the bench for 20+ games. No other profession can you just not show up to work or you do show up and do nothing. You’d be fired immediately
Players would never agree to less than 82 games their salary depends on 82 games. If the reg season is reduced by 20% then their entire salary is reduced by 20% Players making $50m would be making $40m if games are reduced from 82 to 65
This is completely made up wtf. Player salaries are dependent on league revenue. It is possible that when they renegotiate for less games the tv deals will be adjusted but it is not as simple as less games equals less salary
Its crazy to me that people still have this discussion without thinking about the medical staffs and sport science doctors that influence players "resting" or "sitting out" to avoid injury. I'm not saying that it's solely the medical staff or the players making decisions everytime, but nuance is never in this discussion. It's always the player’s fault or the medical staff's fault. At this point, idk who tf to believe.
About the perspective of the players: the players (or better players union) agreed to the rule. If they hadn't agreed to it, it would've been adjusted. Even without arguing about if the rule is good or not, you cannot argue that a rule is unfair if you literally voted for it (or at least said that it's ok).
I understand Joel was having a historic season but he gonna be out for the rest of the regular season and he only played 34 games he wouldn't deserve MVP anyways and 34 games isn't enough to have an all nba appearance either
the thing is even if there wasn't the 65 game limit nobody would be making the case for Embiid winning the MVP missing this many games anyway, no MVP has ever played less than 65 games it was always the case now it's just a written rule.
SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE PHRASE "when healthy"!!! It's like living in a fantasy land of "perfect scenarios". Meanwhile, IN REALITY, many good players are ignored despite being perfectly healthy... Games aren't won by "best roster" or "Vegas odds". They're won by your guys beating my guys - whoever was available/qualfied on THAT day!! Not last week, not 3 weeks from now and certainly not "when healthy", but on that particular day!! So let's talk about the healthy players. And not the imaginary versions of players in.
Lamelo would be the player your looking for I’m the biggest Melo fan but I’ll admit even tho when he is healthy he plays like a superstar but then gets injured the next game it hurts man I still think he can be great but theses injuries are getting crazy.
aye low-key I can understand why the timing and the context which each knows he was injured and cant make the 65 game rule but if he throws in sitting out a game as a reason or anything else its hate lol embiid was in the clear top 5 of players this year
The video was solely about injuries and the new rule. Being an. NBA fan in 2924 is so hard with the amount of 🍆🚴 and children with shit takes all over social media.
now in 2k by like 2030 my whole starting lineup is making 45m a year😂 my team also has like -3 billion in rev, but it dont matter cause we just won 70 games and the finals three seasons in a row
5:00-5:30 that’s tough I feel like people forget that basketball is their JOB. At a job you must show up for said work. They shouldn’t get special privileges. If anything making millions of dollars is that privilege. There are people who don’t get paid even close to a percentage of the revenue they generate for their company nd they get zero room to complain about their work schedule. The 82 game season is their work schedule
Craziest thing is you’re allowed to play less than the 65 games and still win awards. Kenny and Pierre talked about this, the rule was made to stop load management not punish players who are truly injured. The league has the ability to rescind the rule. The league ain’t going to let an Andrew Wiggins type of player make all NBA over KD if KD played 60 games while wiggins played 82. Now ofc u can’t play 30-50 games and expect an award but there is a grace area
They earn over 20 million dollars just to be pretty on the bench? If they can't play anymore why don't they retire? Oh right, because load management exists and they like money. Rule for 65 games was really needed, now we need some harsh flopping rule too!
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Jayson Tatum is better than Joel Embiid. Sure Embiid has better regular szn stats but his team is built for him to have these crazy performances. Tatum saves his for the playoffs
@@edgardoMurnia I wasn't necessarily talking about tv ratings although it does apply for watching games on tv as well (to a lesser degree). The only people that have an issue with the 82 game schedule are the fans, not because it's 2 much by default but if there is a 1/3 or 1/4 chance your favorite player(s) doesn't play. But as long as the fans keep watching the games with mediocre line ups and keep buying tickets for 'insane prices' the league has no issue keeping the schedule at 82
With less games, you'd get healthier players and more exciting level of competition. With more games, you get cheaper tickets and more opportunities to sell your product. There's huge payoffs for both sides. At the end of the day, I hate seeing players get hurt. Especially someone like Embiid.
I wouldnt say that availability is the best ability. For me its definetly consitency, wich also factors durability, like i want a dude that can score literally every night 20 with no effort put in and involves his teammates than someone that scores 40 one night and 10 the other.
MVP and DPOY should be the only rewards you have to play a minimum of 65 games for the others I wouldn’t be mad if they made it you had to play only 50 games or something
I'd take Tatum, he's basically an iron man and can do a good enough percentage of what Embiid can do. Plus I think it's easier to build around a Tatum than an Embiid (probably not by much but still)
The outrage of this video has spawned ONLY because people didn’t watch the video and judged it by its cover. In actuality, nothing negative was said about the big fella. While it is a tough pill to swallow for some Philly fans, Joel’s not winning any season awards after missing as many games as he has. All I can hope for as an Embiid fan, is that he is okay in time for the playoffs to beat the fraud allegations.
HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE WITH: "Availability is the best ability"?!?!? DEAD PEOPLE *CANNOT* PLAY!! I'm better than Wilt Chamberlain at basketball... BECAUSE I'M STILL ALIVE!! Michael Jordan - "greatest of all time" to many - has been retired for 20yrs!! So he's as useful to the Chicago Bulls as I am (though far more likely to get a 10-day contract) IF YOU CAN'T PLAY, YOU'RE USELESS!! Kawhi might be a good team mate/cheerleader/coach/extra set of eyes on the game... but if he's not playing, his actual basketball talents are of no use to anyone anywhere!! They PLAY the games. They're not awarded wins because "roster".
The video is clickbaity like all his video titles, that’s youtube unfortunately, the actual substance is a discussion about the league’s 65 game minimum for awards
As an AD fan this entire argument pisses me off. Y’all are biased af. AD’s legacy has been tampered with for years. Now that soft ass Embiid is under fire everyone is so concerned about it. Nah he’s not durable he’s too damn big to keep up, and can’t hang in the post season and that’s that.
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Nah Jxmy is fire and Embiid fans feel they gotta counter his haters by denouncing his flaws.
Yes...... Thats how it usually works lol
I don’t know the corner of the world you’re from, all I see is Embiid haters, 30 years from now, the way people talk about him, new fans are gonna think he was some bumbling idiot that always gets injured
@@JayTeeAyy If all you see is one side then you have to widen your perspective, respectfully. All players have haters and Embiid has been polarizing for years. All I meant by my original comment was that the hate of Jxmys title and thumbnail was an overreaction.
@@tobiaskent6939 The hate was warranted. Click bait is designed to capture that reaction before clicks. This is literally a natural reaction to normal clickbait situations lol. Jimmy knows that too, and the fact it's a topic right now blows me away
@@tobiaskent6939 it's no different than any other clickbait scenario. It's just Joel Embiid on the thumbnail. If the fans get defensive before watching, they at least identify the flaws with him.
But it's just clickbait tho lol
Everything Jimmy said is 100% right. It's just insecure people from Philly feeling called out for no reason
he was hyping up embid too he said it was sad
i actually disagree because hes not accounting for actual injuries 19:16 im assuming these are the 50 players hes talking about. how many of these are load management and how many are injureis? Zion? injury, JJJ? injury, AD, KAT, etc.
the question he sholdve looked to see if 2022 was an outlier because of injury luck
I’m from and currently live in the Philly area. Sixers fans do not care cuz. Internet kids do. 6ers just beat the cavs last night:
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As Legend of Winning pointed out, there's only been 1 guy to win MVP who played less than 65 in a non-shortened season in NBA history, and that was Bill Walton when he played 58 games, so even without the rule, its always been there as a sort of unwritten rule
i mean, a guy averaging 36 12 and 6 probably would have been the second one ever though
@BIGAMBERFAN Facts. It's hard to argue with that frfr
@@BIGAMBERFAN26/12/9 in 52 games vs 35/11/6 in 34 games. 9ppg vs 3ast 1reb and playing already 18 more games and the season isn't even over yet. Jokic clears
@@simple45679 9 points is a massive difference, not really something to just gloss over in the same breath as “1 rebound.” not to mention embiid is a much more dominant defender
if you wanted to argue that jokic got robbed last year i would have agreed with you, i don’t think embiid deserved that mvp. but this is not last year, it’s this year. and if embiid wasn’t having health issues this would have been the first year he actually deserved it.
@@BIGAMBERFANreally doesnt matter if he doesnt play he has 150 less total points than jokic
Embiid played 34 out of 48 games before he even got injured.
He been was injured
Embiid overrated ass wasn't even going to win mvp this season. Luka is the mvp this season. The stats speak for itself.
he was going to win mvp, he was averaging like 36, its a damn shame, kuminga dove onto his leg@@rektz2457
@@rektz2457yes he was 💀 front runner for mvp the entire season
@@rektz2457 Bros dropping 40 a night but now he's overrated😭 get a grip guy
just a reminder. players' union agreed to this, and im sure somebody as injury prone as Embiid had a look at this cba agreement. shit happens sometimes, its a risk you take by choosing this job.
THIS. And the players, when presented with the new CBA which included these stipulations, voted for it. But suddenly now it's a "bad rule"? Lol...okay.
76ers fans call everyone a snowflake until it's time for a multi-millionaire athlete to work 80% of the time and suddenly people be corny. BFFR.
Add context, we agreed with yo uguys on the Ben Simmons stuff, but we know Embiid more than anyone else out the orginasation and we see him get hurt, not just missing because he can but literally hurt and that is just unfair to say as you paint it like he doesn't want to work
@@cahrles2687I don’t get how people see how injury prone he is but act blind and say he’s missing games because he’s ducking
@@taj3618 People will actively dislike someone for something as so trivial as basketball it is genuinely crazy
As a veteran of the USN, I think this rule of 65 games is really effective towards things us fans don’t see. Things the most casual fans don’t think or care about…and that’s taking care of your body off the court.
When you join the military, you sign a contract essentially stating that you are government property. You now have the added responsibility of taking care of yourself in a way that ensures you’re available to meet the mission, and that’s what we sign up for. The crazy thing is, we don’t get paid as much as athletes, but that sense of responsibility is there.
The fact that you can sign a multi million dollar contract and not even be pushed to take care of yourself is crazy. Lebron has shown what longevity can look like if you really put resources behind taking care of your body. Yes, he’s a genetic freak, but on top of that, he’s done things off the court to stay in shape that other players just won’t do, and that’s a problem.
The medical field can get more advanced, but if by that happening all the players get lazier, what’s the point. We’re supposed to be seeing an increase in availability over time, and I think it’s because players aren’t taking things serious off the court.
This rule gives them more of a reason to. They’re spoiled, to be honest. But what else is new.
lot of fatties in the military
that's not the point tho, i agree with the rule and that you have to take care of your body but some people's bodies just can't hold up, just like Yao Ming, it's got nth to do with work ethic. For Embid it's a damned if u do, damned if u don't thing with him, and that's what's annoying cuz dude has been injury prone ever since he stepped foot into the league and he constantly tries to play through them especially in the playoffs which fans usually would appreciate but instead people say he's dumb for it and say oh he's just doing it to look good. Fact is no matter what he does people are just gonna hate on him.
@@jonnstewart2023 And I can agree with that. I think injury prone players are the exceptions to this rule, so long as they’re doing the best they can to stay in shape. Players like Zion have literally frustrated everyone because he’s even admitted he wasn’t doing the best he could.
Anthony Davis is another interesting situation. He plays with Lebron and I thought for sure his availability would increase if he started doing Lebron Esque things off the court, but that didn’t happen. Although, this year looks amazing for him.
Aside from injury prone players, however, I’m also looking at players who simply could perform better on the court if they worked on their bodies more. It’s one thing to increase endurance by staying in shape, but there’s also simply staying in shape to give the best product on the court. The latter is something most star players don’t have to worry about because they’re amazing players, but so many could take leaps if they did more, in my opinion. Availability is still one of those things though.
@@nobodyflowers totally agree, that's fair 🤝🏾
You realize that players are heavier than ever and jumping higher than ever. How tf so you expect players to be more available
If Embiid can't play 78% of the games in a year that's a Embiid problem, not a rule/league problem.
*BRUH!!!*
The question here is if the rule "made" Embiid force himself to play, producing a severe injury to a top player in the League, resulting in fact in such player actually missing even more than 17 games.
But considering most stars are playing mroe than ever... this is just stupid and the rule is working (for whatever is worth)
@@edgardoMurnia The question you bring is completely irrelevant, it doesn't matter if the rule "forced" Embiid to play or not, he should've been playing at least 65 games even before this was ever a thing, this new rule was long overdue.
NBA players are not only divas but they are also mega greedy, in the pandemic adam silver basically said "so since yall are not going to be playing because of this global issue then there is going to be a cut in payment due to the lack of revenue from the games lost, the players then promptly jumped out of their couches and were eager to play LOL.
There is a reason the league is 82 games long, these players want to be paid for the total *possible* amount of games while only actually playing 40-50% of it (sometimes 0%). There is no argument to be made, this rule is good for everyone but the greedy divas
Im not reading your jelousy filled rant@@amai-w8f
@edgardoMurnia "state playing me than ever..." What?!? On average, players are playing less minutes and less games per year. The active day roster is 15 as opposed to 12 which was the norm until about 2012 (I may be wrong in that year). It makes no sense that players can't play 82 games or even 80% of them. I get injuries happen but missing games for rest? C'mon. Your guaranteed your money at least show up or let someone else play and earn the bag.
The title is weird 💀
People on Twitter are weird too maybe if joel didnt sit those games he would win mvp
What was original title?
@@NinaWithTheNina is jxmyhighroller is weird for this
Or he was genuinely injured
@@Intr0verticalyeah but he wasted a bunch of the games he had to miss ducking certain teams and just taking games off when he wasn’t injured,like whenever the 76ers play jokic and the nuggets,only reason I don’t feel bad for bro,cuz the 65 game rule is trying to prevent exactly what he was doing.
@@Myst1crobbiihe was clearly injured gang😭
the title could be better but he made solid points, great vid
I’m sayin. If anything title & thumbnail was jus super clickbait
True but he did the exact same thing in his previous vid. Title and thumbnail shitting on embiid, takes 5+ minutes pretending like he’s against embiid, and spends the rest of the video defending him. Just a weird trajectory he’s on with the baiting
@@salemstar3859 isnt he a 76ers fan? I didn’t see any hate in this video
@@salemstar3859I mean at the end of the day content creation is a business, it gets views🤷🏽♂️ Is it the most agreeable thing no, but you gotta put food on the table
Could be better? I found nothing wrong with the title at all. Y’all niggas so soft and sensitive nowadays 😂😂😂
“I disagree when you take into account the playoffs” while talking about a regular season award lol
At this point just change the reward, the post season shows who is who, if you're the best in the regular and play offs (doesn't mean you need to win example pre pippen MJ) then you are the most valuable person in the league
@@Himmyjewett facts
People dont realize even if there was no 65 game rule, HE WOULD STILL NOT WIN MVP. The only mvp to win playing less than 65 games was bill walton, and people criticized that mvp to hell
The question here is if the rule "forced" him to try to play to get "to 65" and ended up with a huge injurty to a top player in the League.
@@edgardoMurniaThat’s his fault. He’s obsessed with those awards because he knows he can’t make it through an entire post season. No one is forcing these players to do anything. Did he feel pressured? Sure.
Well, the league is forcing them to play 65 to get All Nba nods that influence the contracts. So yeah, the League is forcing the players@@Onechance_ngl
On the 65 game thing: the solution is to stop tying contracts to awards. You really shouldn't be eligible for winning something while missing 25% of the season. But player salaries should not be tied to individual accolades that are voted on by media/coaches.
It's to protect dumbass GMs from themselves
Player BONUSES!!
Awards are INCENTIVES; they get paid regardless of winning or losing or playoffs or lottery team!!!
I always thought requiring a player to hit a bunch of awards before a team can offer the max is dumb af. If the team wants to give a mid player the maximum salary then let them!
@@darrengordon-hill it also affects eligibility for max/supermax contracts
@@snoopraptortbf you shouldn't be getting a max if you aren't available or are not even worth it😂
Reminder: 76ers chose Fultz > Tatum.
In fact, they moved up to get him...
I mean who would have guessed that his shot would break? It was the right pick at the time.
Just found this channel, just want to say you are unexpectedly well spoken for someone in the basketball space. Maybe i'm just so used to sports talking heads, but your opinions are well worded and thought out and I appreciate it as a listener
People always pull the millaionares not wanting to play but never the billionaries not wanting to pay, like if YOUR team stinks you are still gaurnteed a spot in the NBA , chunks of the revenue and even if you get kicked out and have to forcefully sell the team you'll get a cool few billion.
One thing about the 65 game rule also is that it benefits the fans
Imagine saving up to go to a game just to see the best players in the league, and they sit out despite being fully healthy, or because the player doesn’t take care of themselves off the court
If you sign a max extension, not a supermax but a max extension and you choose not to play what are you getting that money for? Playoffs or no playoffs, that’s still your job
It’s like the difference between missing work because you cannot perform your job and choosing not to do so, even if you do a minutes restriction that’s still showing up in some sense
And one last point I wanna make, nobody was winning MVP playing 50-60 games unless it was a lockout and that was the max number of games, it’s been over 50 years since somebody won it with that number of games, and that was the outlier
When you get injured because you didn’t condition properly that’s on you because you’ve got the bread, the equipment and the personnel there specifically to help you
basketball fans try not to be stupid challenge.
Bsolz so underrated deadass top 5 nba RUclipsr
Name your top 5 then.
Embiid wasn’t the MVP before the injury anyways. It’s Jokic.
He was a shoe in for the award. Jokic has been great but he’s taking it kind of coasting. Doesn’t mean Embiid better than Jokic he’s just having a better overall regular season.
@@joelman1989 Jokic has still been better IMO. And apart from that, Embiid had missed way too many games even before the injury. MVP = Most VALUABLE Player and a player provides *zero* value every time they miss a game.
@@DynamicUnreal I agree with your second point which is why I also agree with the 65 game minimum.
Joel was literally the mvp favorite the entire season
@@Tellytooshoes It’s called a narrative.
In hindsight now, it’s wild to prematurely crown an MVP 34 games into the season when that’s all that player is going to play at the 70 game mark.
My only real issue with the 65 game rule is it’s a hard cutoff when I think it should be a sliding scale. Someone playing 66 games winning an award over someone playing 64 games would be BS, but I strongly agree with the availability impacting your value. Embiid on a per game basis is way more valuable than Bam Adebayo, but if you tell me I can have embiid for 45 games or bam for 75, well, I think I might prefer bam.
Teams can appeal if someone plays under 65 games because they were injured and not just resting
@@stefankilleyajones3018 for sure, but even then let’s say 61 games so just under the appeal compared to 66. Which probably will happen on occasion, giannis was 2 games off of no award and not being able to appeal last year and still got first team honors
I get that no matter what, losing out on money sucks for these players, especially if these players are clearly good enough to warrant a supermax, but the argument at 5:00 isn't actually the whole story. The argument that an otherwise healthy player can be ineligible for the supermax because, in their contract year, they got hurt is wrong, the guideline is,
"Additional supermax eligibility conditions require that the player must have been named (i) to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, (ii) Defensive Player of the Year in the preceding season or in two seasons during the preceding three seasons, or (iii) NBA MVP during the three preceding seasons."
This means that a player can have 2 good seasons and then have an unlucky injury in the final season and still be eligible. Add onto this that there is an appeal process when players play very close to but less than, the 65-game threshold, and this is nothing if not reasonable. If a player does not get a supermax because they were injured for 2 out of 3 seasons then is that really unfair?
“Is never this black and white” shows Kobe and Nash. I was hoping for bsolz to notice cause that probably would be funny af😂
There has beeen an unwritten rule that you must play 65 game for mvp only 2 players in post merger nba (since 1977) have won mvp playing less than 65 games bill Walton and Giannis . Lebron and pedo Malone have also played less than 65 before but those were shortened lockout seasons 50 playable games in ‘99 and 66 in 2012.
giannis was a 72 game season ?
@@Dan-dz9nnyes, because covid
@@Dan-dz9nn you’re right I forgot it was 73
@@josevitor7266 yea I forgot about that
Embid stole the MVP last year so the injury was karma catching up
Then when is Jokic going to get injured for robbing Giannis mvp ?
There is practically a 0% chance that 82 games is the optimal number of games that has been calculated by experts, since it is the amount of games that was chosen all the way back in 1967 and has never changed with any of the changes in technology, international interest and accessibility.
The odds of them choosing a perfect unchanging number of games is effectively 0.
I agree. I think it’s more of a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” type of thing. Them even changing it to 80 games will significantly lose them money
Fewer games would make individual games seem more important to the casual fan.
@@Red_Ryan_Red The 65 game rule is more beneficial to the fans overall. Either someone will have to fight through the whole season to maintain their awards or choose to pick postseason success. If a player pulls off both of these it's even more impressive now.
actually 2020-21 season was 72 games
It would make basically every record unbeatable@@Red_Ryan_Red
Jxmy has some of the worst takes on NBA RUclips. Legend of Winning might be his only competition for consistently not knowing what the hell theyre talking about
@30:00:
don't sign contracts without guaranteed money then. stop gambling on your contracts. no one respects US womens soccer crying for more money when they took guaranteed contracts and the mens team didnt and no one should respect NBA players crying that their non guaranteed contracts dont pay out because they cant play more than 3 quarters of the season.
Not Kawhi ducking the smoke 💨 😂. He’s at 47 games played in the first half of the season all I heard for the past 3 years was boy couldn’t go fr. I’d love to think he truly was injured but now it’s looking more like a “he was hurt” ( as in 85%) but didn’t wanna risk it. I’m just saying i need to see more appreciation/smoke for Kawhi playing more.
ME TOO!!!
And not just this "he's finally healthy" cop-out!!
Coincidences happen.... but then I look at AD playing regularly too... and saying "I started taking care of my body" after ALMOST A DECADE in the league!!!
Title almost gave me an aneurysm
Love the extra commentary from u solz
“Let me not go through that tangent again” (right after going on that tangent before )
I think Covid did more harm to the league than the fans realized or cared to remember from the games becoming more compressed, the shortened off seasons, the covid restrictions, and long COVID symptoms.
Also the playoff structure change with the playoffs means more teams are playing harder for longer to get in so there’s less off nights in the league where a game would be easier and the playoffs to win a championship you need 16 wins there’s no team just running through the league last playoffs three teams played in over 18 playoff games
What the hell are you talking about? Injuries are just as random as ever. Nothing changed.
The internet is so braindead. A trillion mfs saw the thumbnail and title of the Jxmy video and took it and ran. Didn't even watch the video
Embiid has to stop flopping is all. His goofy movements to draw fouls make his landings awkward which take a toll on your legs, especially for a 7 footer. Klay used to spread out his legs to draw fouls on 3s, messing up his form.
he ended up getting hurt for the doing that later in the season.
I still don't understand fans being mad at this rule. You can turn on a game and actually see stars play. People complained about the regular season not mattering and now the NBA is trying to change that with the in season tournament and actually making players play games. Just enjoy basketball fr
Who is complaining about the rule other than Embiid fans?
27:07 thats my golden age baby, our stars played when i was a kid! 😤😤
Even without the rule, depending on if/when he came back, he wouldn’t have won it anyways. Nobody is winning MVP being out from before all-star break through the rest of the season.
Thing with embiid getting injured is; thats his biggest weakness. For the most part, even his playoff drops are caused due to his health. If we are evaluating the most valuable player, you should factor in if they can stay healthy for 65 games.
I do thing the 65 games thing WILL become an issue in the future but i dont think embiid is the case for it.
Bruh the picture/thumbnail is doing Embiid dirty that’s a sus pose I know he was injured but still😭
I never understood why the 65 game rule was an issue to begin with. These guys get paid millions to shoot a basketball not sit on the bench for 20+ games. No other profession can you just not show up to work or you do show up and do nothing. You’d be fired immediately
JT are rhinoceros, i'd pick him in a heartbeat for a league game stretch perspective
Players would never agree to less than 82 games their salary depends on 82 games. If the reg season is reduced by 20% then their entire salary is reduced by 20%
Players making $50m would be making $40m if games are reduced from 82 to 65
This is completely made up wtf. Player salaries are dependent on league revenue. It is possible that when they renegotiate for less games the tv deals will be adjusted but it is not as simple as less games equals less salary
@@jordanhelverson2198and the league will make 20% less revenue. What's so complicated about this that you don't get
@jordanhelverson2198 20% less games, 20% less total viewers, 20% less prime time slots, 20% less everything
@@jordanhelverson2198You’re failing to realize that part of that revenue comes from viewership, game attendance, and merchandise/concession sales.
@@TheMissiIethis is the most dumbed down simplified thinking possible, why does the NFL make so much money then?
Its crazy to me that people still have this discussion without thinking about the medical staffs and sport science doctors that influence players "resting" or "sitting out" to avoid injury. I'm not saying that it's solely the medical staff or the players making decisions everytime, but nuance is never in this discussion. It's always the player’s fault or the medical staff's fault. At this point, idk who tf to believe.
This dude just chatting
we all just chattin some are just on different levels, personally me, after a long day, ill take any.
About the perspective of the players: the players (or better players union) agreed to the rule. If they hadn't agreed to it, it would've been adjusted. Even without arguing about if the rule is good or not, you cannot argue that a rule is unfair if you literally voted for it (or at least said that it's ok).
Fuck a season award bonus, I’d give Embiid his 40 million if he made it through without getting he knee blown off
JXMY is 100% correct.
I understand Joel was having a historic season but he gonna be out for the rest of the regular season and he only played 34 games he wouldn't deserve MVP anyways and 34 games isn't enough to have an all nba appearance either
the thing is even if there wasn't the 65 game limit nobody would be making the case for Embiid winning the MVP missing this many games anyway, no MVP has ever played less than 65 games it was always the case now it's just a written rule.
He either a 6rs fan or Embiid fan, at the end of the day he doesn’t deserve this mvp, universe j keeping the balance
SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE PHRASE "when healthy"!!!
It's like living in a fantasy land of "perfect scenarios".
Meanwhile, IN REALITY, many good players are ignored despite being perfectly healthy...
Games aren't won by "best roster" or "Vegas odds".
They're won by your guys beating my guys - whoever was available/qualfied on THAT day!!
Not last week, not 3 weeks from now and certainly not "when healthy", but on that particular day!!
So let's talk about the healthy players.
And not the imaginary versions of players in.
Lamelo would be the player your looking for I’m the biggest Melo fan but I’ll admit even tho when he is healthy he plays like a superstar but then gets injured the next game it hurts man I still think he can be great but theses injuries are getting crazy.
saying that you have to play basketball games in order to win basketball awards shouldn't be a controversial topic
For the curry/Mitchell comparison, it wasn't taking into account playoffs.
How is Bsolz this dumb? Obviously Jimmy’s talking about the regular season only, that’s the whole fucking point of the video
Nah Jxmy has point People need to watch video before hating
The title is still an example of agenda pushing
I think Mr.mvp_doesnt_matter should have just sat his ass out when he knew he needed to
I remember Jimmy was acting very weird and butthurt during the mvp race last year
3:00 he forgot about Kobe. He just came off back to back championships and LeBron had none. Unanimously? Wow.
Its also the backlash Embiid is getting, he was out against nuggets cause he is injured, he heard those backlash and played the next game clearly hurt
aye low-key I can understand why the timing and the context which each knows he was injured and cant make the 65 game rule but if he throws in sitting out a game as a reason or anything else its hate lol embiid was in the clear top 5 of players this year
The video was solely about injuries and the new rule. Being an. NBA fan in 2924 is so hard with the amount of 🍆🚴 and children with shit takes all over social media.
now in 2k by like 2030 my whole starting lineup is making 45m a year😂 my team also has like -3 billion in rev, but it dont matter cause we just won 70 games and the finals three seasons in a row
5:00-5:30 that’s tough I feel like people forget that basketball is their JOB. At a job you must show up for said work. They shouldn’t get special privileges. If anything making millions of dollars is that privilege. There are people who don’t get paid even close to a percentage of the revenue they generate for their company nd they get zero room to complain about their work schedule. The 82 game season is their work schedule
Craziest thing is you’re allowed to play less than the 65 games and still win awards. Kenny and Pierre talked about this, the rule was made to stop load management not punish players who are truly injured. The league has the ability to rescind the rule. The league ain’t going to let an Andrew Wiggins type of player make all NBA over KD if KD played 60 games while wiggins played 82. Now ofc u can’t play 30-50 games and expect an award but there is a grace area
They earn over 20 million dollars just to be pretty on the bench? If they can't play anymore why don't they retire? Oh right, because load management exists and they like money.
Rule for 65 games was really needed, now we need some harsh flopping rule too!
Could you be more jelous? You are nothing, they are ELITE...
@@edgardoMurnia read my comment again
@@edgardoMurnia elite bench warmers before 65 game rule
your comment is pure jelousy@@Calaman228
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I’m a die hard Sixers fan and everything jxmy said was fax 🤷🏽♂️
Agreed but he knew what he was doing with that thumbnail/title 😂😂
Jayson Tatum is better than Joel Embiid. Sure Embiid has better regular szn stats but his team is built for him to have these crazy performances. Tatum saves his for the playoffs
Tatum is so inconsistent. You either get a good player or anthony bennett
@@zacharystreibelWho hasn't the one that never got out of the second round
@@astriddececco3005 His team is better lol. All i was saying is that he is either great or poop. Fix the grammar.
I mean as long as fans are ok with paying INSANE prices to watch their favorite player sitting on the bench that's on them
What the hell has "insane prices" to do with tv ratings?
@@edgardoMurnia I wasn't necessarily talking about tv ratings although it does apply for watching games on tv as well (to a lesser degree). The only people that have an issue with the 82 game schedule are the fans, not because it's 2 much by default but if there is a 1/3 or 1/4 chance your favorite player(s) doesn't play. But as long as the fans keep watching the games with mediocre line ups and keep buying tickets for 'insane prices' the league has no issue keeping the schedule at 82
Im not sure is that simple. Im pretty sure if every star played every game, ratings would still be similar.@@joshuakohn4408
With less games, you'd get healthier players and more exciting level of competition. With more games, you get cheaper tickets and more opportunities to sell your product. There's huge payoffs for both sides. At the end of the day, I hate seeing players get hurt. Especially someone like Embiid.
Why weird? Odd word choice
I wouldnt say that availability is the best ability. For me its definetly consitency, wich also factors durability, like i want a dude that can score literally every night 20 with no effort put in and involves his teammates than someone that scores 40 one night and 10 the other.
The main push back I can see is how it will affect the cities. How much will the arena and business around the cities lose if there wont be 82 games
MVP and DPOY should be the only rewards you have to play a minimum of 65 games for the others I wouldn’t be mad if they made it you had to play only 50 games or something
W vid. Why don't you use adblock when you record? YT rule?
tatum on the lakers
The amount of times the phrase “the best ability is availability “ was butchered in this video is crazy bruh
Love any Embiid hate I don't have to produce.
Not you struggling to play the video 5 seconds into it. Ill just watch it on my own 😂
My question, and I mean this sincerely, is can you make it through a single damn video without using the expression "this, that and the third"? jesus.
NEVER
I'd take Tatum, he's basically an iron man and can do a good enough percentage of what Embiid can do. Plus I think it's easier to build around a Tatum than an Embiid (probably not by much but still)
You had me until that Damr & Kyrie bs Dame is currently being exposed
Jimmy high roller is legendary
The outrage of this video has spawned ONLY because people didn’t watch the video and judged it by its cover. In actuality, nothing negative was said about the big fella. While it is a tough pill to swallow for some Philly fans, Joel’s not winning any season awards after missing as many games as he has. All I can hope for as an Embiid fan, is that he is okay in time for the playoffs to beat the fraud allegations.
I think it should be 65 games or 85% of available games
i haven't really fw jxmmy since i found out he was stealing video ideas from smaller youtubers allegedly
so if durability is now having such a big impact due to it being valuable then LeBron is 100% the goat
It only hurts because it’s TRUE 🤣
I like how you support the clickbait, then i realized you clickbaited me with this video
HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE WITH:
"Availability is the best ability"?!?!?
DEAD PEOPLE *CANNOT* PLAY!!
I'm better than Wilt Chamberlain at basketball... BECAUSE I'M STILL ALIVE!!
Michael Jordan - "greatest of all time" to many - has been retired for 20yrs!!
So he's as useful to the Chicago Bulls as I am (though far more likely to get a 10-day contract)
IF YOU CAN'T PLAY, YOU'RE USELESS!!
Kawhi might be a good team mate/cheerleader/coach/extra set of eyes on the game... but if he's not playing, his actual basketball talents are of no use to anyone anywhere!!
They PLAY the games.
They're not awarded wins because "roster".
Thumbnail and title reads like him celebrating an injury. Content itself is fine, presentation just got weird energy to it
I'd rather have Tatum, because I already have jokic lmao
The video is clickbaity like all his video titles, that’s youtube unfortunately, the actual substance is a discussion about the league’s 65 game minimum for awards
Jayson Tatum for sure, he’s only 19
As an AD fan this entire argument pisses me off. Y’all are biased af. AD’s legacy has been tampered with for years. Now that soft ass Embiid is under fire everyone is so concerned about it. Nah he’s not durable he’s too damn big to keep up, and can’t hang in the post season and that’s that.
26:03 why did he not consider luka in this convo
MVP awards I don’t see an issue, only like 3 players in history wouldnt have been mvp