I literally watched four other videos on this where it took them 15 minutes of talking and overly convoluted explanations to not even properly explain how to do this or what it was. This guy did it in literally a minute and a half. Thank you.
In the first example, when you came back on the first string, the first note will be upstroke...so different from the beginning. So what´s economy picking is?
Yep, happened to me too and a lot of other people. Synyster Gates also naturally developed economy picking and has said Alternate picking isn’t his strong suit, feels less natural. The “tone” difference isn’t as significant as people say it is and you can form your own music around it.
I'm an old school metal guitarist and I know that the shred community are big on economy picking. But did economy picking even exist in the early days of rock & metal ? In other words, did 70's & 80's rock and metal guitarist such as Richie Blackmore, Glen Tipton, KK Downing, Randy Rhoads, Rudolf Schenker, Dave Murray, Adrian Smith use this technique ? I'm going to guess that the answer is a hard No. And when you consider the multitudes of epic solos that were played using alternate picking, then I have to question, if alternate picking was good enough for them then why isn't it good enough for the rest of us ?
I am a natural economy picker, but my teacher is forcing me through some alternate picking exercise, I have tried very hard to alternate pick, but I mess up with the notes because I am focussing more on my right (picking) hand as I have to watch my fingers that they are picking alternately strictly , However I can do economy picking easily and my brain does not have to focus on the notes I am playing.. What should I do, I basically don't like alternate picking , It feels like one feels when someone plays guitar while singing, i.e focussing on two things at a same time, pls suggest
Simple, do what easy for you. If you don't like alternate you won't progress despite hours of practice. Also depends on what style of music you gonna play. If you're into fusion (Gambale-style) or a die hard Yngwie fan, economy will make you a champion.
Find a new teacher for one... he should be flexible with your play style and that’s what I love about guitar is everyone has there own way. So many different styles or picks people use, different shapes, sizes, and some only use there thumb and fingers in an unconventional way but it works for them. And I’m the same as you being a natural economy picker, feels right and makes more sense to me too
@@jordanfender3085 Exactly. A guitar teacher should introduce the concept of "alternate picking" (what we're really talking about here is outside string shifts), but--forcing it on a student? No. I came here to try to find an answer as to why I should bother with outside string shifts. I find them highly unnatural and slow. So what I've determined is that they are harder to learn and simply sound a bit different, and ... well, that's about it.
I thought I just did. :D LOL But seriously. I think you should check out Troy Grady's RUclips channel. He is way better at this stuff and has some incredible content on the topic of economy picking.
@@MusoraOfficial Hey Nate. Is there a chance that you could do a lesson on how to do harmonics? I'm finding it hard to do harmonics, especially pinched harmonics, and I have searched RUclips but that has proven to be futile.
Also, if you watch say, Guthrie Govan, Tom Quayle or Eric Johnson's right hands very carefully, you can often see where they might lightly use the second and possibly third fingers to pluck some of the notes, using not too much force, so that it balances in attack and volume with the pick, therefore eliminating twang from those notes, and making them sound picked too. Not only that, but during those super-fast picked-note passages, there can be some well-balanced hammer-ons and pull-offs that are maintained in a way so that they come across as sounding 'picked', depending on how hard they are hammered or pulled. Pat Metheny does some stuff like that too. Fairly tricky, but in the long run, makes playing really fast, much easier!
I am going to be making a video discussing the pitfalls of eco-picking and how to overcome them and there's no video like this on RUclips! If you are still eco picking then you well defo want to see this video! I hope to have it out by this week.
As a newbie with a pick, I should only do alternate picking... right? I've been playing for 17 years and play a lot of difficult fingerstyle songs... so not a newbie on guitar... but for about 6 months now have been only playing with a pick and it has definitely elevated the game. It's interesting how crisp the notes are.. and fun. Okay enough run-on sentences... alternate picking only in the beginning?
I remember looking up videos on how to alternate pick back when i was more of a beginner and after the video i had found, i kinda just messed with it and was like “why do i have to alternate pick anything what if i did what sweep picking players do and kinda just “sweep” thru the notes” and i found it was easier for my brain and fingers. I didn’t find out till later that thats the whole basis of economy picking lol
I am an "older" player that has picked things back up after 25 years of not playing, and I still need to get alternate picking down. To me, it seems more "automatic". I think you are saying to try to learn both at the same time, even though you personally did not "get" economy picking until years later. If you HAD to choose one to learn and get down first, would it be alternate or economy?
I was that forum post and this was a great video! I even use it on the caged style major scales where there is sometimes 2 notes per string. I am still trying to grasp the concept of using alternate and its hard. I have had to slow way down to get it.
I've got a problem where I can only do economy picking, and now I'm learning how to alternate pick. I can't help keeping the same down stroke while moving onto the next string. 🤪🤪
Also, you can absolutely get your economy picking to sound identical to alternate picking by adjusting your picking dynamics. Rick graham does this very well.
I'm an alternate picker and I have tried economy picking and its so hard lol, such a mind fuck lol my right hand wants to revert to alt. picking. I guess my brain needs to develop the neurological pathways
Actually alt picking + legato can solve the picking awkwardness in most songs. On the other hand, Eco picking is just a mini 2 or 3 string arpeggio. It comes in especially handy when playing some fast non 3-note-per-string set of notes because unlike alt picking, the way you pick will be all the same no matter where you start to pick. For slow stuffs, alt picking all the way if you want good control of dynamics at every note you pick. If you play smooth stuffs like Jazz, probably eco picking is more suitable for that tone.
I learned some very basic stuff with all the teachers I had but they always said I was doing something wrong and they always asked for strict alternate picking. Seems my head and hands somehow developed economy picking without me knowing what that was and I've been doing it this way ever since. Should I ditch alternate in favor of economy?
That's pretty cool. That's how eco picking creeped its way into my playing. I tried learning it intentionally with no luck. One day it creeped into my blues licks and I've been intentionally working on it here and there ever since.
I was practicing economy picking for few days and tried to alternate pick my scales but it messed up ..economy feels more natural and it was easy to learn and get used to it now can't go back to alternate picking
People in the 80’s started practising strict alternate picking because of Yngwie, who is an economy player. You don’t need to alternate pick for the tone. Even among legendary players, people find it difficult to tell the difference if you have good dynamic control. That being said, it is much easier to make alternate picking sound metronomic, although the basics of playing fast with it is harder.
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I literally watched four other videos on this where it took them 15 minutes of talking and overly convoluted explanations to not even properly explain how to do this or what it was.
This guy did it in literally a minute and a half. Thank you.
Thanks for watching Derrek. I'm glad it helped.
A great explanation 👌
In the first example, when you came back on the first string, the first note will be upstroke...so different from the beginning. So what´s economy picking is?
Don't you just love it when a 15s answer is drawn out to nearly 7 min?
I naturally developed Economy Picking without even knowing it was Economy Picking.
Now it's hard for me to Alternate pick.
same here!
Yep, happened to me too and a lot of other people. Synyster Gates also naturally developed economy picking and has said Alternate picking isn’t his strong suit, feels less natural. The “tone” difference isn’t as significant as people say it is and you can form your own music around it.
Economy picking feels just more natural to me. Great video
I am using economy picking now for years, but i think i am gonna try and go back to alternate.
A brilliantly concise, precise - and objective - explanation of this commonly misunderstood topic. Well done.
I'm an old school metal guitarist and I know that the shred community are big on economy picking. But did economy picking even exist in the early days of rock & metal ? In other words, did 70's & 80's rock and metal guitarist such as Richie Blackmore, Glen Tipton, KK Downing, Randy Rhoads, Rudolf Schenker, Dave Murray, Adrian Smith use this technique ? I'm going to guess that the answer is a hard No. And when you consider the multitudes of epic solos that were played using alternate picking, then I have to question, if alternate picking was good enough for them then why isn't it good enough for the rest of us ?
I learned alternate picking first and somehow I learned how to economy although I didn’t realize it at first. Both have their uses.🤘🏽
Great video! There IS a difference, and this shows it very well. Love it!
I actually find economy picking easier and alternate picking harder >.
I am a natural economy picker, but my teacher is forcing me through some alternate picking exercise, I have tried very hard to alternate pick, but I mess up with the notes because I am focussing more on my right (picking) hand as I have to watch my fingers that they are picking alternately strictly , However I can do economy picking easily and my brain does not have to focus on the notes I am playing.. What should I do, I basically don't like alternate picking , It feels like one feels when someone plays guitar while singing, i.e focussing on two things at a same time, pls suggest
Economy is far better than alternate bro...
Simple, do what easy for you. If you don't like alternate you won't progress despite hours of practice. Also depends on what style of music you gonna play. If you're into fusion (Gambale-style) or a die hard Yngwie fan, economy will make you a champion.
Find a new teacher for one... he should be flexible with your play style and that’s what I love about guitar is everyone has there own way. So many different styles or picks people use, different shapes, sizes, and some only use there thumb and fingers in an unconventional way but it works for them. And I’m the same as you being a natural economy picker, feels right and makes more sense to me too
@@jordanfender3085 Exactly. A guitar teacher should introduce the concept of "alternate picking" (what we're really talking about here is outside string shifts), but--forcing it on a student? No. I came here to try to find an answer as to why I should bother with outside string shifts. I find them highly unnatural and slow. So what I've determined is that they are harder to learn and simply sound a bit different, and ... well, that's about it.
@@censored7881 why do all the shredders out there emphasize on alternate picking ?
Economy picking and Legato for me 90% of the time. Great Topic!
Economy picking can save your life when it comes to fast odd time signatures.
Beginner guitarist here used to alternate picking
Struggling hard with not alternate picking in exercises
I like both techniques but I prefer Alt picking for that aggressive pick attack
Nate can you do a video focusing on economy picking??
I thought I just did. :D LOL But seriously. I think you should check out Troy Grady's RUclips channel. He is way better at this stuff and has some incredible content on the topic of economy picking.
@@MusoraOfficial Hey Nate. Is there a chance that you could do a lesson on how to do harmonics? I'm finding it hard to do harmonics, especially pinched harmonics, and I have searched RUclips but that has proven to be futile.
Thank you. Will start teaching again soon??
Also, if you watch say, Guthrie Govan, Tom Quayle or Eric Johnson's right hands very carefully, you can often see where they might lightly use the second and possibly third fingers to pluck some of the notes, using not too much force, so that it balances in attack and volume with the pick, therefore eliminating twang from those notes, and making them sound picked too. Not only that, but during those super-fast picked-note passages, there can be some well-balanced hammer-ons and pull-offs that are maintained in a way so that they come across as sounding 'picked', depending on how hard they are hammered or pulled. Pat Metheny does some stuff like that too. Fairly tricky, but in the long run, makes playing really fast, much easier!
To play lightning fast you need economy picking.. watch Rick Graham..
I use mostly alternate picking, some economy in some licks seems to happen naturally
I am going to be making a video discussing the pitfalls of eco-picking and how to overcome them and there's no video like this on RUclips! If you are still eco picking then you well defo want to see this video! I hope to have it out by this week.
Good work on the video, btw!
As a newbie with a pick, I should only do alternate picking... right? I've been playing for 17 years and play a lot of difficult fingerstyle songs... so not a newbie on guitar... but for about 6 months now have been only playing with a pick and it has definitely elevated the game. It's interesting how crisp the notes are.. and fun. Okay enough run-on sentences... alternate picking only in the beginning?
I remember looking up videos on how to alternate pick back when i was more of a beginner and after the video i had found, i kinda just messed with it and was like “why do i have to alternate pick anything what if i did what sweep picking players do and kinda just “sweep” thru the notes” and i found it was easier for my brain and fingers. I didn’t find out till later that thats the whole basis of economy picking lol
I am an "older" player that has picked things back up after 25 years of not playing, and I still need to get alternate picking down. To me, it seems more "automatic". I think you are saying to try to learn both at the same time, even though you personally did not "get" economy picking until years later. If you HAD to choose one to learn and get down first, would it be alternate or economy?
Personally I think working on alternate first is a good way to go. Jumping into eco once you have the basics of alternate down is great though.
I was that forum post and this was a great video! I even use it on the caged style major scales where there is sometimes 2 notes per string. I am still trying to grasp the concept of using alternate and its hard. I have had to slow way down to get it.
I've got a problem where I can only do economy picking, and now I'm learning how to alternate pick. I can't help keeping the same down stroke while moving onto the next string. 🤪🤪
Also, you can absolutely get your economy picking to sound identical to alternate picking by adjusting your picking dynamics. Rick graham does this very well.
I'm an alternate picker and I have tried economy picking and its so hard lol, such a mind fuck lol my right hand wants to revert to alt. picking. I guess my brain needs to develop the neurological pathways
I learn economy picking
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Actually alt picking + legato can solve the picking awkwardness in most songs. On the other hand, Eco picking is just a mini 2 or 3 string arpeggio. It comes in especially handy when playing some fast non 3-note-per-string set of notes because unlike alt picking, the way you pick will be all the same no matter where you start to pick. For slow stuffs, alt picking all the way if you want good control of dynamics at every note you pick. If you play smooth stuffs like Jazz, probably eco picking is more suitable for that tone.
I learned some very basic stuff with all the teachers I had but they always said I was doing something wrong and they always asked for strict alternate picking. Seems my head and hands somehow developed economy picking without me knowing what that was and I've been doing it this way ever since.
Should I ditch alternate in favor of economy?
That's pretty cool. That's how eco picking creeped its way into my playing. I tried learning it intentionally with no luck. One day it creeped into my blues licks and I've been intentionally working on it here and there ever since.
My hands won’t let me go from one string to another very fast.
That's alright, take it slow. ;)
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I was practicing economy picking for few days and tried to alternate pick my scales but it messed up ..economy feels more natural and it was easy to learn and get used to it now can't go back to alternate picking
People in the 80’s started practising strict alternate picking because of Yngwie, who is an economy player. You don’t need to alternate pick for the tone. Even among legendary players, people find it difficult to tell the difference if you have good dynamic control. That being said, it is much easier to make alternate picking sound metronomic, although the basics of playing fast with it is harder.
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