I'm an American who lived in London in 1981, I got to see the 4 Skins at some venue in the East End, only to have it shut down by the police and all of us run off the premises, despite no sign of trouble. My impression of skinheads is that they were no more or less "disaffected" than anybody else, they just were young and had an attitude that bothered some. However, I never observed them making any trouble. They seemed to mind their own business and keep to themselves.
Lol, I'm an Aussie dual citizen. Witnessed my skin step bro defending himself at least once. Seen a bit of bother and public toilet destroyed just walking round London on holidays with my mum and dad in 81. To say skins never started or got in trouble back then is very naive..
I was there we picked up a broken copper who ten mins ago had locked us in a burning pub and carried him to an ambulance, then I got run over by the SPG...... Best night of my life till I joined the paras
3.38 - Lyrics from Criminal Class - Blood On The Street taken completely out of context, other verses say exactly the same thing about white youth, ie saying black and white youth are both against the police. A completely one-sided report, I bet even the John Peel section was out of context.
Fuck right and left. Its only made by the elite. Real is only the criminal elite above and the people down. Now its all over the west digital dictatership from lying left side
An unprovoked attack unpressidented at the time on innocent young music fans enjoying a night out in a London pub the police entering the premises were the first indication of any trouble ordering everyone to leave just as bricks took out the windows followed by petrol bombs intent on murder outside we were were showered with more bricks and bombs out of the frying pan into the fire we had no option but to fight even alongside the police who were getting it bad trying to hold the line with a plastic sheild bricks broken paving petrol bombs raining down then the cavalry arrived the S.P.G in riotvans and we the victim's got the blame an injustice that needs to be addressed to this day..
I'm 58 from Hammersmith and Chelsea FC..I was there as a 17 year old skinhead..we was the victims 800 skinheads Vs over 5000 bud bud ding dings..and we held out own us Chelsea FC skin's and Westham ICF
The fault for the riot lies with whoever organized that gig in that place. I know some of those bands not to be racist but an element of their followers were so bringing that gig to Southall was always going to be like red rag to a bull where the Asians were concerned
That's basically truth, and how it went down. Talked to more than 2 eye witnesses that were there. One skinhead girl that was at gig on the night at least. There were at least 4 black skinheads/oiboys that were there at the gig. Stuck in the pub getting Molotov cocktails thrown through the windows from the local Asians, who had been fired up by local hard left. Tbh none of the bands that played gig were racist. Was 4skins, the Business, and Last Resort i heard? All of them non racist Oi.
4:27 - "The man on the cover" was Nicky Crane, an infamous NF recruiter and Skrewdriver's cover artist! He was also a closeted gay who frequented homosexual S&M clubs. He pass away from AIDS in the early 90s...
Those lyrics have nothing to do with racism. The lyrics have more to do with how to confront what at the time were real threats from the police state and militant marxists. In that context, the lyrics, granted, promoted violent extremes that one must adopt as part of inculcating a warrior way of life. However, anyone who was naive would take it as a trend of violence to follow and try to be cool in doing so, and not as a necessary means to defend oneself in the face of real threats from the predominant political classes at the time. Hence, such naive and spoiled kids were just giving the rather more seminal oi! bands, with exception of Screwdriver pf course, a rather bad name in the press. Though many skinheads who were fans of The 4 Skins also listened to Screwdriver, Their politics and, ethics, and aesthetics were not entirely the same. Both stood starkly apart on issues of violence as a means to agitate for change in the face of oppression or opposition.
this is the great single they released after the Southhall shit. ruclips.net/video/ZxAoXMr-NH0/видео.html.....a testament to their perseverance. All haters can go play in traffic
***** well that's a very cynical attitude, he (not them, the reunion was only Gary Hodges) perhaps just wanted to play the old songs and what I've heard was very good.
How can these people go about saying they are proud to be british when they are throwing nazi salutes and drawing swaztikas on the walls. English people united to fight that evil. England being a multicultural society is one of the things that makes it a great place to live. If you don't see that you're living in the past.
even nowdays they still all claim no violence, yet if i wanted to walk past by a group of skins in an english alleyway i wouldn´t make it out of there without collecting my teeth off the ground with broken fingers o.O
An entertaining watch, but so goddamn inaccurate. How the 4 Skins could get associated with nazis is beyond me. All you have to do is listen to "The Good, The Bad..." to know this. Everything is twisted and slanted, even John Peel's segment.
True as fuck. British tabloid media at the time were absolute whores for controversy. Any thing to sell a story, the controversy sells better than the truth in their eyes
I'm an American who lived in London in 1981, I got to see the 4 Skins at some venue in the East End, only to have it shut down by the police and all of us run off the premises, despite no sign of trouble. My impression of skinheads is that they were no more or less "disaffected" than anybody else, they just were young and had an attitude that bothered some. However, I never observed them making any trouble. They seemed to mind their own business and keep to themselves.
I agree with you
Lol, I'm an Aussie dual citizen. Witnessed my skin step bro defending himself at least once. Seen a bit of bother and public toilet destroyed just walking round London on holidays with my mum and dad in 81. To say skins never started or got in trouble back then is very naive..
Which venue was that then????
What other bands did you get to see? Driver?
He’s lying
I was there we picked up a broken copper who ten mins ago had locked us in a burning pub and carried him to an ambulance, then I got run over by the SPG...... Best night of my life till I joined the paras
When you joined the paras did the Provos shoot you in the balls.
@@pauldunneska I hope so!
Smash the ira scum
@@nichloasrich5293 IRA freedom fighters taking on the butchers apron.
one of the best skin bands ever
When Roi was there , starting w 2nd album.
@@kookadams85but gary hodges is real voice of 4skins
Real life .... 2022 . Not even a thousand suburban English skinhead nobody's could walk down any high street anyfuckenwhere ..... love the provos
3.38 - Lyrics from Criminal Class - Blood On The Street taken completely out of context, other verses say exactly the same thing about white youth, ie saying black and white youth are both against the police. A completely one-sided report, I bet even the John Peel section was out of context.
MorphineStockbroker was about to write the same myself. The songs about white and black youth both getting a hard time off the real enemy.
Governments will never learn and never understand the youth from one decade to another..
Chaos chaos don't give a toss.
What is the date of the broadcast?
Fascinating stuff.
Fascinating propaganda is what it is. Pure bullshit slander against the national front.
Oi bands? Nazi?! Haven't these middle class hacks at the BBC heard of Angelic Upstarts?
Fuck right and left. Its only made by the elite. Real is only the criminal elite above and the people down. Now its all over the west digital dictatership from lying left side
An unprovoked attack unpressidented at the time on innocent young music fans enjoying a night out in a London pub the police entering the premises were the first indication of any trouble ordering everyone to leave just as bricks took out the windows followed by petrol bombs intent on murder outside we were were showered with more bricks and bombs out of the frying pan into the fire we had no option but to fight even alongside the police who were getting it bad trying to hold the line with a plastic sheild bricks broken paving petrol bombs raining down then the cavalry arrived the S.P.G in riotvans and we the victim's got the blame an injustice that needs to be addressed to this day..
I'm 58 from Hammersmith and Chelsea FC..I was there as a 17 year old skinhead..we was the victims 800 skinheads Vs over 5000 bud bud ding dings..and we held out own us Chelsea FC skin's and Westham ICF
pretty sure the 2nd lyrics he read were backing the black rioters and were anti police not racist
John Peel knew better about Joy Division and New Order. What a joke this is.
R.A.R. 's first reason were comments from a drunk Eric Clapton on immigration.
cant we all go play pinball?
The new young tories
mr obergefreiter1, not being nosey, but have evidence of this ?
Street punk Oi punk none of the press will ever understand they just want headlines
The fault for the riot lies with whoever organized that gig in that place. I know some of those bands not to be racist but an element of their followers were so bringing that gig to Southall was always going to be like red rag to a bull where the Asians were concerned
That's basically truth, and how it went down. Talked to more than 2 eye witnesses that were there. One skinhead girl that was at gig on the night at least. There were at least 4 black skinheads/oiboys that were there at the gig. Stuck in the pub getting Molotov cocktails thrown through the windows from the local Asians, who had been fired up by local hard left. Tbh none of the bands that played gig were racist. Was 4skins, the Business, and Last Resort i heard? All of them non racist Oi.
I have a copy of that NME with the burnt out car in a drawer.
How the hell did you manage to fit a burnt-out car in your drawer?!?
Great question 😂
4:27 - "The man on the cover" was Nicky Crane, an infamous NF recruiter and Skrewdriver's cover artist! He was also a closeted gay who frequented homosexual S&M clubs. He pass away from AIDS in the early 90s...
LOL. And none of his crew magically didn't know he was gay 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@talonanthony Why, is there a problem with him being gay?
Not to mention,I wore that t shirt in college. So, they passed of nazi stuff without all of the nazi symbols!
Those lyrics have nothing to do with racism. The lyrics have more to do with how to confront what at the time were real threats from the police state and militant marxists. In that context, the lyrics, granted, promoted violent extremes that one must adopt as part of inculcating a warrior way of life. However, anyone who was naive would take it as a trend of violence to follow and try to be cool in doing so, and not as a necessary means to defend oneself in the face of real threats from the predominant political classes at the time. Hence, such naive and spoiled kids were just giving the rather more seminal oi! bands, with exception of Screwdriver pf course, a rather bad name in the press. Though many skinheads who were fans of The 4 Skins also listened to Screwdriver, Their politics and, ethics, and aesthetics were not entirely the same. Both stood starkly apart on issues of violence as a means to agitate for change in the face of oppression or opposition.
oi ! oi !
what the fuck is that reporter reading for songs? x)
LIES
That is not all true 4 skins were never racists it bands like skerwdriver & blood& honour
this is the great single they released after the Southhall shit. ruclips.net/video/ZxAoXMr-NH0/видео.html.....a testament to their perseverance. All haters can go play in traffic
Mugs the lot of them. Working class?!ask Hodges how much he was asking promoters for to play recently.
ken mclellan is that you
***** well that's a very cynical attitude, he (not them, the reunion was only Gary Hodges) perhaps just wanted to play the old songs and what I've heard was very good.
Get a grip on reality? Pretty rich coming from you.
Give them National Service-make even better Men and Women of them than what they already are.
How can these people go about saying they are proud to be british when they are throwing nazi salutes and drawing swaztikas on the walls. English people united to fight that evil. England being a multicultural society is one of the things that makes it a great place to live. If you don't see that you're living in the past.
PuNks & Skins oi 🧷oi🧷oi🧷
even nowdays they still all claim no violence, yet if i wanted to walk past by a group of skins in an english alleyway i wouldn´t make it out of there without collecting my teeth off the ground with broken fingers o.O
well if you look like a wigger perhaps I'd like to join in
Really? Proof?
An entertaining watch, but so goddamn inaccurate. How the 4 Skins could get associated with nazis is beyond me. All you have to do is listen to "The Good, The Bad..." to know this. Everything is twisted and slanted, even John Peel's segment.
True as fuck. British tabloid media at the time were absolute whores for controversy. Any thing to sell a story, the controversy sells better than the truth in their eyes
oioioi fuck the nazis
ruclips.net/video/bm5Y-UYo_hg/видео.html
Paul Swain???😉
🙋🤚
Trite.
Classic BBC propoganda
Oi! is Punk and Punk is Oi!. Nevermind the politics,keep it simple 👿
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