I know right, I'm so happy that he can have a happy ending without ever ascending. The initial ending where he just ran off pisses me off so much because it felt it all led to nothing but he can actually grow as a person even if you give him a good ending, it wasn't all for nothing after all 🥲 🥹
Breaking up with Astarion at this point is like stepping on your cat, you just feel terrible for it and go "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry 😭" and have to immediately reload 😅
I like to think he and Brynn, the custom origin character I romanced him with are off living their best life, setting off on a quest to find a way for him to walk in the sun again, but also, because of how much travelling their search has involved, they also do adventuring hero things along the way. She's a cleric of Ilmater selflessness and kindness is ingrained in her, and it rubbed off on him as well, and he gets to feed on the bad guys and kill them violently.
@@ikmkr I know, it makes using the divine intervention ability during the Cazador fight, to kill a bunch of his minions all at once so satisfying! Its only available to use once in an entire playthrough and I find it so fitting to use it then. I know they haven't listened before, but they're listening now, babe!
@@CristinaGarcia-xx4gy i saved mine with my cleric because in tabletop d&d it can be used to resurrect the dead - my cleric would 100% be the type to go “i will help you walk in the sun - i will raise you from undeath if you want me too”
I do love that astarion just burned cazadors palace down and watched while it collapsed. 😂 Though Im still a fan of him just grabbing the place including all the riches cazador ever had and settling down with his consort. Now THATS some disrespect 😂
You already know in my hc I’ve found a witch to make a daylight ring like from Vampire Diaries… mark my words me and spawn Astarion WILL frolick in the sun together forever
He suffered so much so i fullfilled his wish and let him ascend even though i did a good guy run with my Paladin. Sadly after that he became quite cold,selfish and kind of evil.
when he Ascends the parts of him that were the most "human" (or elf?), like empathy, compassion, love etc become points of weakness he is ashamed of so he masks them to such an extent they might as well be destroyed. In time he'd eventually become a monster like his old master.
Anyone know how to get the friendship epilogue where he leads the spawn in the underdark? I have freed the spawn but still got the one where he became an adventurer, I did get the letter from Sebastion about how the spawn are doing though but Astarion didn't say anything about them
Don’t know the answer to this either but I think after killing Cazador you can plant the idea of him leading in the Under dark & kinda nudge him in the direction of taking the responsibility, But i’m not sure what the exact trigger(s) could be; maybe it’s random?
hope i dont get too much hate for this, Still learning the lore dnd wise and i know its completely different; but i was wondering out of curiousity. does anyone know if elven society belief in marriage (in dnd) is similiar to lord of the rings lore? In lord of the rings They mention something along the lines that elven society views marriage as a super sacred thing, only choosing one partner and then nothing after that if thier spouse passes. The elves who have gone against that and have had multiple partners let alone slept outside of marriage are frowned down upon. If its similar, it make astarion's trauma that much more tragic caz then he'd be going against his heritage beliefs yes?
I assumed that it's based on whether the spawn were freed. But people have told me that they freed the spawn and they still got the adventurer ending so idk?? it might be bugged or it might depend on smth else that I haven't figured out
I cannot bring myself to not ascend him. He is so damn happy about his freedom and power. He can walk in the sun, enjoy normal meals, feel lust, love and everything in between. He feels alive. And taking that from him is something I couldnt do. I am aware that deep down inside he feels like a piece of shit for sacrificing his brethren. And he also doesnt feel worthy of a relationship. He is also terrified of the lonelyness that comes with such power, which is why he wont let you go when you try to break up in the epilogue. He is pissed, but will continue to provide the best life possible for you, in hopes to win you over again and to make himself feel better. He would however NEVER mistreat you like cazador would. Because he isnt cazador. However, if you play a strong, ambitious character yourself, ascended astarion is completely fine. He will ask for your wishes, make plans accordingly and accept you as a ruler of equal power. Oh and in case anyone wants to start a "spawn" discussion: He made you a Vampire bride/groom. Thats a full blown vampire lord with free will and access to all powers, given time. Astarion has a head start because of mephistopheles blessings, but your powers will kick in soon enough. Also, you are partially ascended, too: You can see your reflection in the mirror, dont have that ache for blood in your stomach (though you can still drink blood), can walk in the sun, feel lust (as evidenced by the sex scenes with the emperor, wylls devil and the orgy in the brothel) and eat normal food. Your skin also keeps its original tone, meaning your heart is pumping and your blood is kinda normal. Draconic bloodline sorcerers keep all of their powers when astarion turns them, even though he was supposed to drain you dry. Its amazing 😅
The happiness of Ascended Astarion is as superficial as Cazador happily torturing his spawn. Like, I get people being like 'aw, he deserves more power after what he's been through' or fulfilling some dark fantasies, or RPing bleak endings or somesuch - but the power of Ascended Vampire is pretty solidly established in-story and by the devs as one that destroys him and destroys any chance of growth. What's worse, he *will* get worse as time passes and will probably become something worse than Cazador, yet lose his identity as Astarion completely. So, in the end, we condemn Ascended Astarion to the same - or worse - ending as Cazador.
@@Mpoa11 Raphael: "The lusts of man will return to him" about cazadors ascension ritual in act 2 when you kill yurgir. Implying that vampires do not feel true lust anymore.
He says in the epilogue that he's surrounded by people, having banquets with nobles and hedonistic affairs in his new palace, but he slips in a line saying he still feels lonely. All of it is superficial.
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as much as i want him to find happiness and be an adventurer, astarion, hardworking single mother of thousands of spawn, kills me alskjdfalskjdfsdf
🤣🤣🤣🤣 best ending is if he was romanced and remained a spawn I guess
Ne, he left them with his siblings
My boy has had so much introspective growth!!! Whoever says he will live the rest of his life in misery was wrong! I love these!
I know right, I'm so happy that he can have a happy ending without ever ascending. The initial ending where he just ran off pisses me off so much because it felt it all led to nothing but he can actually grow as a person even if you give him a good ending, it wasn't all for nothing after all 🥲 🥹
i love how comfortable he is with the hug in the epilogue, it shows how much he went from beeing reserved to again enjoy human touch.
Breaking up with Astarion at this point is like stepping on your cat, you just feel terrible for it and go "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry 😭" and have to immediately reload 😅
This man really just asked “is that what you want?” Is amazing he asks even after all they went through together.
I like to think he and Brynn, the custom origin character I romanced him with are off living their best life, setting off on a quest to find a way for him to walk in the sun again, but also, because of how much travelling their search has involved, they also do adventuring hero things along the way. She's a cleric of Ilmater selflessness and kindness is ingrained in her, and it rubbed off on him as well, and he gets to feed on the bad guys and kill them violently.
cleric!!! your tav should hold their god at spear-end and demand a divine intervention, 5e d&d would let you
@@ikmkr I know, it makes using the divine intervention ability during the Cazador fight, to kill a bunch of his minions all at once so satisfying! Its only available to use once in an entire playthrough and I find it so fitting to use it then. I know they haven't listened before, but they're listening now, babe!
@@CristinaGarcia-xx4gy i saved mine with my cleric because in tabletop d&d it can be used to resurrect the dead - my cleric would 100% be the type to go “i will help you walk in the sun - i will raise you from undeath if you want me too”
My game bugged and Astarion forgot that we were together 😭😭
You had a slight disagreement with him before heading to the party and he’s insisting on being petty lmao
Did you go with karlach to avernus?
@@daniasparkle24 no, no i didn't
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I think this just about sums up the morality of the average DnD player
17:53 made me tear up a little.. :’)
I do love that astarion just burned cazadors palace down and watched while it collapsed. 😂
Though Im still a fan of him just grabbing the place including all the riches cazador ever had and settling down with his consort. Now THATS some disrespect 😂
You already know in my hc I’ve found a witch to make a daylight ring like from Vampire Diaries… mark my words me and spawn Astarion WILL frolick in the sun together forever
He suffered so much so i fullfilled his wish and let him ascend even though i did a good guy run with my Paladin. Sadly after that he became quite cold,selfish and kind of evil.
Ascending wipes away all the personal growth he went through from act 1. He is a wonderful spawn
when he Ascends the parts of him that were the most "human" (or elf?), like empathy, compassion, love etc become points of weakness he is ashamed of so he masks them to such an extent they might as well be destroyed. In time he'd eventually become a monster like his old master.
Omg he is such a theater kid. lol
Anyone know how to get the friendship epilogue where he leads the spawn in the underdark? I have freed the spawn but still got the one where he became an adventurer, I did get the letter from Sebastion about how the spawn are doing though but Astarion didn't say anything about them
Don’t know the answer to this either but I think after killing Cazador you can plant the idea of him leading in the Under dark & kinda nudge him in the direction of taking the responsibility, But i’m not sure what the exact trigger(s) could be; maybe it’s random?
hope i dont get too much hate for this, Still learning the lore dnd wise and i know its completely different; but i was wondering out of curiousity. does anyone know if elven society belief in marriage (in dnd) is similiar to lord of the rings lore? In lord of the rings They mention something along the lines that elven society views marriage as a super sacred thing, only choosing one partner and then nothing after that if thier spouse passes. The elves who have gone against that and have had multiple partners let alone slept outside of marriage are frowned down upon. If its similar, it make astarion's trauma that much more tragic caz then he'd be going against his heritage beliefs yes?
Does anybody know what decides whether he chooses to become an adventurer or leader of spawns?
I assumed that it's based on whether the spawn were freed. But people have told me that they freed the spawn and they still got the adventurer ending so idk?? it might be bugged or it might depend on smth else that I haven't figured out
He ask you in the end of game what do you wanna do.. Your anwser sets outcome
@@everlinett7803 In romance yes. If not romanced, that conversation doesn't happen.
What about settle down what happens there?
How did you get the first scene?
I cannot bring myself to not ascend him. He is so damn happy about his freedom and power. He can walk in the sun, enjoy normal meals, feel lust, love and everything in between. He feels alive. And taking that from him is something I couldnt do.
I am aware that deep down inside he feels like a piece of shit for sacrificing his brethren. And he also doesnt feel worthy of a relationship. He is also terrified of the lonelyness that comes with such power, which is why he wont let you go when you try to break up in the epilogue.
He is pissed, but will continue to provide the best life possible for you, in hopes to win you over again and to make himself feel better.
He would however NEVER mistreat you like cazador would. Because he isnt cazador.
However, if you play a strong, ambitious character yourself, ascended astarion is completely fine. He will ask for your wishes, make plans accordingly and accept you as a ruler of equal power.
Oh and in case anyone wants to start a "spawn" discussion: He made you a Vampire bride/groom. Thats a full blown vampire lord with free will and access to all powers, given time.
Astarion has a head start because of mephistopheles blessings, but your powers will kick in soon enough.
Also, you are partially ascended, too: You can see your reflection in the mirror, dont have that ache for blood in your stomach (though you can still drink blood), can walk in the sun, feel lust (as evidenced by the sex scenes with the emperor, wylls devil and the orgy in the brothel) and eat normal food.
Your skin also keeps its original tone, meaning your heart is pumping and your blood is kinda normal. Draconic bloodline sorcerers keep all of their powers when astarion turns them, even though he was supposed to drain you dry.
Its amazing 😅
The happiness of Ascended Astarion is as superficial as Cazador happily torturing his spawn.
Like, I get people being like 'aw, he deserves more power after what he's been through' or fulfilling some dark fantasies, or RPing bleak endings or somesuch - but the power of Ascended Vampire is pretty solidly established in-story and by the devs as one that destroys him and destroys any chance of growth. What's worse, he *will* get worse as time passes and will probably become something worse than Cazador, yet lose his identity as Astarion completely.
So, in the end, we condemn Ascended Astarion to the same - or worse - ending as Cazador.
Where in the world did you get that spawn doesn't feel lust. I swear you AA fans have reading comprehension problems 😢 AA does not feel love
@@Mpoa11 Raphael: "The lusts of man will return to him" about cazadors ascension ritual in act 2 when you kill yurgir. Implying that vampires do not feel true lust anymore.
He says in the epilogue that he's surrounded by people, having banquets with nobles and hedonistic affairs in his new palace, but he slips in a line saying he still feels lonely. All of it is superficial.
@@uwu-uv4mg of course he is. Having no actual friends makes you lonely af. Thats why he wont let you go if youre still partnered in the epilogue.