Lies , instead of uniting most blacks went on Marches to get him out of presidency due to him trying to bring nuclear to South Africa from Russia due to his close relationship with Putin
instead of uniting many marched to take him of out of presidency because he was trying to bring nuclear from Russia to South Africa due to his relationship with Putin ……The problem with you guys is your looking at Zuma as a problem only because people are deciding to go to his party …..You should be asking yourself why prominent leaders like floyd are deciding to leave their parties and join MK because at the end of the day it’s they choice , maybe Theys something they know that we don’t know
As a 58 years old EEF voter I am going to graduate to being and EFF member and I'm bringing my whole family with. This old man's shenanigans need to be met toe to toe. This glorious movement is here to stay. Once bitten twice shy....Viva EFF Viva 💪
What position are you guys talking about when people gave up parliament? Nithanda ukhuluma udoti. People are free to affiliate with whoever they want. Anisiyekeni!
I'm trolley porter here in mall of Africa and I all of you to my words I'm coming to EFF and to show you that there's always a replacement things will happen
You are missing the point! Those people joined EFF because at the time, EFF was the best viable alternative to ANC, irrespective of whatever misgivings they might have had about it. Times have changed. They now find that MK is a far better alternative to ANC than EFF is. Secondly, many more people might leave EFF sooner than later because of the way they are currently treated inside EFF. Since MK came around, EFF leadership has openly treated certain members with suspicion, disdain, and paranoia. Thirdly, it's not EFF members only that have jumped ship and joined MK. Many more have come from other parties, especially ANC.
Ppl must look at Malema behavior in public and Zuma behavior before calling ppl names. Zuma suffered and all those ppl suffered. Malema was there he voted out all this ppl together ANC and DA in some instances to removed them can málem be trusted?
They choose to ignore this truth. Silky people! The country is in this mess because of Malema. Malema is very dangerous! Just recently he pretended as if the votes were free n fair with evidence flying all over than there was discrepancy. Malema is in the pockets os some dark forces.
It's funny , Busisiwe Mkhwebane verbalised the same words when EFF took her to Parliament out of pity since she was being abused by the Ramaphosa cabal , and to wipe her tears EFF took her to Parliament and as a reward she sung for the EFF Leaders the same song. Was Busisiwe Mkhwebane not able to LIBERATE THE BLACK PEOPLE being in the EFF ? This woman should not be TRUSTED. She use the same slogan to thank the Party that gifts her a space to shine. Iyo ! A TRUE CITIZEN THAT SHOULDNT BE TRUSTED. EFF must never join the MKP. How on earth do you join an old man who compete with young citizens and hurts them so much.
GUPTAS became South Africans, the rand collapsed because our country was sold to Guptas, what is Zuma gonna do for South Africans which he failed to achieve in 10 yrs at the helm? What changes did he make, except looting from the public purse?
@kokoelias9695 Hatred is a sickness, sorry we can't help no medicine for that 🤣🤣🤣🤣 uyagwaza umkhonto. EFF and Mk we are one family, soon you'll realize that
My chat is they are joining the same party with a leader that failed to give land to black people nationalize banks and grow the economy in the 9 years he had 😅😅😮
Being align with any political party's constitution doesn't mean you change your mind. You can do so while you still at other party. Remember "Freedom of Association'. I'm not a Nazareth Church but their laws makes a sense to me and I align with them
Duduzani Zuma will jump in the ship to claim as a successor to her father. She is pulling the strings and calling the shorts in that MKP. All of those who left EFF will be hurt when JZ is departed. They will miss being members of the EFF because I doubt if thier move has to do will Malema's behaviour.
I'm not surprised about the Departure of Mkhwebane, from EFF to MKP, she was Zuma's proxy from day 1, when she took the office of the public protector, she came to Eff so that the Eff fights her battles, as she failed in all the battles she came across, as an EFf voter, I'm that she left, she was not an Eff material in any casè EFf leadership is, EFF leadership is caused of strong strong ppk mantaly
The only blindside was Floyd, everyone else, CIC told us to expect them to leave we even expect more to leave after the NPA when they don't get position. Even though im a fighter but MK should be vary careful recruiting politicians who jump from on party to the other especially in their foundation phase, they need really MK loyalists.
My question is why is MK is doing this. I thought them and EFF are one and are fighting for one thing. But it seems like MK is destroying the EFF slowly 😢
Ask yourself why prominent leaders like floyd are deciding to leave EFF instead of making it seem like MK forced them , That’s the real question why are members so comfortable to leave the EFF
All EFF will join MK, but they can't just say members lets join MK, because they will lose a lots of members, you know tribalism, so Malema will remain ku EFF until they succeed ku Plan yabo. Yingakho bethi lets respect EFF members, because we are one family
Politics of SA are unpredictable as people we must just work hard for ourselves never trust politicians they can't get along from the ANC even outside the ANC , Malema must be humble and call that guy who was replaced by Mkhwebane because fighting Ramaphosa is failing especially using Other people like Mkhwebane to settle scores if EFF fails MK will fail even before 5 years
Instead of blaming MK , EFF must look within and ask themselves why people are leaving because it’s not like their former members who left the EFF had a gun to their head and were forced to leave , They took a decision as grown people and decided to leave ……..The easy thing to do is to blame Mk but then you need to ask yourself as EFF why a high ranking like floyd decided to leave EFF ……I feel Theys something that we don’t know because people wouldn’t just leave a party if they trusted it to fulfill its mission of freedom
Its not true. The EFF leadership and Malema were blindsided by media fame, Nakyema arrogance, Pan Africanism which stand against the interests of South Africa and Flip flopping tendencies. Don't blame your enemies for been smart and talented. Its also untrue that the ANC gave birth to the MKP and EFF. How can you claim that without reflecting on the fact that the ANC invested nothing in the creation of the EFF and MKP. Listen to yourself before speaking. The only organs that the ANC gave birth to was the original Umkhondi Wesizwe and ANCYL. Malema and Zuma were not instructed by the ANC to form EFF and MKP. They broke away and chartered a new path for themselves. If i work for a company and later i start my own company it doesn't mean my previous company gave birth to my company. Sort out your analysis
My brother you are not presenting the events as they happened, you are making wrong assumption to tell us that Zuma shared his plans with Malema that he is forming the MK. That is not factual: Let me remind you of Julius Malema’s speech addressing the news conference before the elections, this will be paraphrased: Malema said that he went to ask Zuma to endorse the EFF, because he knew that people like Zuma and Winnie will not leave the ANC, they grew up in it, but Zuma decided to endorse a non-existent party( Malema would not have called MKP a non-existant party if Zuma shared with him his plan with him that he was forming a party). Malema was caught by suprise like Ace and Carl were, Zuma would not have told Malema his secret because he knows that Julius likes to break news and he holds no one’s secrets, ukhatywe esifubeni ngesiXhosa. So your assertions are not factual, we have no reason to believe you that Zuma when having a tea with Malema would have opened up to his well guarded secret. There is no poaching in politics, unless you tell us that people in political parties have no right to change their minds and applying the freedom of choice. If the EFF is the best then people will leave the MKP and you won’t call that poaching. Malema himself recruited Ace and many others to his party that is not poaching, if people are convinced that the EFF is the future, they will not leave it, just as with COPE, even when it was crambling, when Mlambo-Ngcuka, Mluleki George, Bishop Mvume Dandala and his son, Prof. JJ Tabane, minister Leonard Ramatlakane and many more left COPE, many remained and are dying with it, because they believe it is the only route to their freedom, in their minds. So stop claiming that the Progressive Caucus was build on a premise that members of each other’s parties must reliquish the right to leave one party for the other. You cannot blame AZAPO’s challenges to the ANC, and you cannot blame the challenges of the EFF to the MKP. The EFF must fix its house and stop blaming the MKP, no political party owns the rights of its members from leaving it for another party.
Pod cast report has problem of analysing some things: what is wrong if someone moves from party A to Party B and pledging allegiance to the new home. 2ndly all parties come to existence because of some unhappiness within the circles of power, what is wrong with that if those in power are thick headed. 3rdly there in no universal norm on how to start a Party that is to be followed...so blavk people must stop to talk like "clever blacks" abasentjeziswa abelungu
Why Malema never speak openly the truth with the members about GNU what his understanding other than willing work with ANC join gnu but not with DA Malema can't be trusted sometimes . Why he always fight Zuma more than can fight ANC? When both black freedom fighters?
Good morning all. Only one thing Mr. Malema must have to dd just take EFF members to ANC and stopped his ego s of his grandmother promise or the fighters going to running awa and Joining Mr. Zuma who's was a president and failed to unite Or give south African majority land just going build for himself a village with corruption money, people's still following him with blinders eyes . He's already cause division with the members started the party just same like Mr. Malema done with the members using his power appointment for those who been found outside of their work jumping his loyal members. South African smile coffee and understand politicians just same all over the world is.
EFF is strong and stable we know now who is Zuma..he failed to unite blacks when he was having a power
Lies , instead of uniting most blacks went on Marches to get him out of presidency due to him trying to bring nuclear to South Africa from Russia due to his close relationship with Putin
You know sometimes i don't know how can people trust Zuma nxa
instead of uniting many marched to take him of out of presidency because he was trying to bring nuclear from Russia to South Africa due to his relationship with Putin ……The problem with you guys is your looking at Zuma as a problem only because people are deciding to go to his party …..You should be asking yourself why prominent leaders like floyd are deciding to leave their parties and join MK because at the end of the day it’s they choice , maybe Theys something they know that we don’t know
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As a 58 years old EEF voter I am going to graduate to being and EFF member and I'm bringing my whole family with. This old man's shenanigans need to be met toe to toe. This glorious movement is here to stay. Once bitten twice shy....Viva EFF Viva 💪
Mkhwebana should not be taken seriously as a politician. She said it herself that she followed the husband. There is not political about that.
Good analysis
EFF should continue guiding young people to the right direction and forget about these retired soldiers who just wants to get positions at all cost
What position are you guys talking about when people gave up parliament? Nithanda ukhuluma udoti. People are free to affiliate with whoever they want. Anisiyekeni!
Foolish people will fall into the trap of people create hatred and animosity between EFF and MKP.
I'm trolley porter here in mall of Africa and I all of you to my words I'm coming to EFF and to show you that there's always a replacement things will happen
Fighters and your Leadership you deserve utmost commendations for the decision to welcome Ms Mokwele back!!!
You are missing the point! Those people joined EFF because at the time, EFF was the best viable alternative to ANC, irrespective of whatever misgivings they might have had about it. Times have changed. They now find that MK is a far better alternative to ANC than EFF is. Secondly, many more people might leave EFF sooner than later because of the way they are currently treated inside EFF. Since MK came around, EFF leadership has openly treated certain members with suspicion, disdain, and paranoia. Thirdly, it's not EFF members only that have jumped ship and joined MK. Many more have come from other parties, especially ANC.
Guys! This should be expected. Her husband is an MKP official member. Where did anyone think she will go? She's following her husband.
Ppl must look at Malema behavior in public and Zuma behavior before calling ppl names. Zuma suffered and all those ppl suffered. Malema was there he voted out all this ppl together ANC and DA in some instances to removed them can málem be trusted?
They choose to ignore this truth. Silky people! The country is in this mess because of Malema. Malema is very dangerous! Just recently he pretended as if the votes were free n fair with evidence flying all over than there was discrepancy. Malema is in the pockets os some dark forces.
It's funny , Busisiwe Mkhwebane verbalised the same words when EFF took her to Parliament out of pity since she was being abused by the Ramaphosa cabal , and to wipe her tears EFF took her to Parliament and as a reward she sung for the EFF Leaders the same song. Was Busisiwe Mkhwebane not able to LIBERATE THE BLACK PEOPLE being in the EFF ? This woman should not be TRUSTED. She use the same slogan to thank the Party that gifts her a space to shine. Iyo ! A TRUE CITIZEN THAT SHOULDNT BE TRUSTED. EFF must never join the MKP. How on earth do you join an old man who compete with young citizens and hurts them so much.
Viva Julius Sello Malema viva ❤️🖤💚✊🏿
EFF is for African BUT MKP is for South African people. Let us consider our nation first before we look outsiders
GUPTAS became South Africans, the rand collapsed because our country was sold to Guptas, what is Zuma gonna do for South Africans which he failed to achieve in 10 yrs at the helm? What changes did he make, except looting from the public purse?
Some politicians can so easily lie with a smile in a manner that comes over as the truth.
Let's go back to ANC and disrupt this old man
Why have you left in the first place?
@kokoelias9695 Hatred is a sickness, sorry we can't help no medicine for that 🤣🤣🤣🤣 uyagwaza umkhonto. EFF and Mk we are one family, soon you'll realize that
What is the problem exactly? So this is NOT about black people it's about individuals?
Obviously it will look like she's a flip flopper but no, she's following the head of the house.
My chat is they are joining the same party with a leader that failed to give land to black people nationalize banks and grow the economy in the 9 years he had 😅😅😮
He is not on the ANC now he is the the MK leader.
Peoples start protesting in that party already let wait and see
Keep on waiting 😂😂😂
Being align with any political party's constitution doesn't mean you change your mind. You can do so while you still at other party. Remember "Freedom of Association'. I'm not a Nazareth Church but their laws makes a sense to me and I align with them
Duduzani Zuma will jump in the ship to claim as a successor to her father. She is pulling the strings and calling the shorts in that MKP. All of those who left EFF will be hurt when JZ is departed. They will miss being members of the EFF because I doubt if thier move has to do will Malema's behaviour.
All the incompetent thieves gathering
Well ssid😅
I'm not surprised about the Departure of Mkhwebane, from EFF to MKP, she was Zuma's proxy from day 1, when she took the office of the public protector, she came to Eff so that the Eff fights her battles, as she failed in all the battles she came across, as an EFf voter, I'm that she left, she was not an Eff material in any casè EFf leadership is, EFF leadership is caused of strong strong ppk mantaly
The only blindside was Floyd, everyone else, CIC told us to expect them to leave we even expect more to leave after the NPA when they don't get position.
Even though im a fighter but MK should be vary careful recruiting politicians who jump from on party to the other especially in their foundation phase, they need really MK loyalists.
Politicians are a disgrace in south Africa
Go home
Well said my brother. I fail to disagree. 👉🏿
Why perecute people exercising their right to belong to a party they so wishes South Africa needs both the MK and EFF
Wena awazilutho nge politics yasemzansi umkhonto wesizwe uzonqoba nithanda ningathandi ayibuye i Africa gwaza mkhonto wesizwe gwaza viva M.K.P 🖤💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤🇿🇦✊🏻
My question is why is MK is doing this.
I thought them and EFF are one and are fighting for one thing.
But it seems like MK is destroying the EFF slowly 😢
Ask yourself why prominent leaders like floyd are deciding to leave EFF instead of making it seem like MK forced them , That’s the real question why are members so comfortable to leave the EFF
Zuma is still bitter about what EFF did to him baba ka duduzani, ZUPTA, I still don't understand why malema trust him
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But the very same people who were calling him baba ka Duduzane are joining his party people like Floyd
All EFF will join MK, but they can't just say members lets join MK, because they will lose a lots of members, you know tribalism, so Malema will remain ku EFF until they succeed ku Plan yabo. Yingakho bethi lets respect EFF members, because we are one family
Im so glad i can spell and read properly.
What's to be glad about? Grade one does spelling and reading test every Fridays...
Ka sepedi ke "kgeke" or sefebe sa mosadi wa le Polotiki
Viva Anc vivaaaaaaaaaah✊✊✊
Politics of SA are unpredictable as people we must just work hard for ourselves never trust politicians they can't get along from the ANC even outside the ANC , Malema must be humble and call that guy who was replaced by Mkhwebane because fighting Ramaphosa is failing especially using Other people like Mkhwebane to settle scores if EFF fails MK will fail even before 5 years
Instead of blaming MK , EFF must look within and ask themselves why people are leaving because it’s not like their former members who left the EFF had a gun to their head and were forced to leave , They took a decision as grown people and decided to leave ……..The easy thing to do is to blame Mk but then you need to ask yourself as EFF why a high ranking like floyd decided to leave EFF ……I feel Theys something that we don’t know because people wouldn’t just leave a party if they trusted it to fulfill its mission of freedom
EFF did nothing wrong and shouldn't blame anyone for people's exit. The honeymoon phase will pass at MK too and people will leave.
Its not true. The EFF leadership and Malema were blindsided by media fame, Nakyema arrogance, Pan Africanism which stand against the interests of South Africa and Flip flopping tendencies. Don't blame your enemies for been smart and talented.
Its also untrue that the ANC gave birth to the MKP and EFF. How can you claim that without reflecting on the fact that the ANC invested nothing in the creation of the EFF and MKP. Listen to yourself before speaking.
The only organs that the ANC gave birth to was the original Umkhondi Wesizwe and ANCYL.
Malema and Zuma were not instructed by the ANC to form EFF and MKP. They broke away and chartered a new path for themselves.
If i work for a company and later i start my own company it doesn't mean my previous company gave birth to my company.
Sort out your analysis
EFF for the youth for futer generation
Tea party haunted someone now😅
Why is Malema quite?
She fighting tooth and nail to get that R10m
We need direction
My brother you are not presenting the events as they happened, you are making wrong assumption to tell us that Zuma shared his plans with Malema that he is forming the MK. That is not factual:
Let me remind you of Julius Malema’s speech addressing the news conference before the elections, this will be paraphrased:
Malema said that he went to ask Zuma to endorse the EFF, because he knew that people like Zuma and Winnie will not leave the ANC, they grew up in it, but Zuma decided to endorse a non-existent party( Malema would not have called MKP a non-existant party if Zuma shared with him his plan with him that he was forming a party).
Malema was caught by suprise like Ace and Carl were, Zuma would not have told Malema his secret because he knows that Julius likes to break news and he holds no one’s secrets, ukhatywe esifubeni ngesiXhosa.
So your assertions are not factual, we have no reason to believe you that Zuma when having a tea with Malema would have opened up to his well guarded secret.
There is no poaching in politics, unless you tell us that people in political parties have no right to change their minds and applying the freedom of choice.
If the EFF is the best then people will leave the MKP and you won’t call that poaching.
Malema himself recruited Ace and many others to his party that is not poaching, if people are convinced that the EFF is the future, they will not leave it, just as with COPE, even when it was crambling, when Mlambo-Ngcuka, Mluleki George, Bishop Mvume Dandala and his son, Prof. JJ Tabane, minister Leonard Ramatlakane and many more left COPE, many remained and are dying with it, because they believe it is the only route to their freedom, in their minds.
So stop claiming that the Progressive Caucus was build on a premise that members of each other’s parties must reliquish the right to leave one party for the other.
You cannot blame AZAPO’s challenges to the ANC, and you cannot blame the challenges of the EFF to the MKP.
The EFF must fix its house and stop blaming the MKP, no political party owns the rights of its members from leaving it for another party.
Pod cast report has problem of analysing some things: what is wrong if someone moves from party A to Party B and pledging allegiance to the new home. 2ndly all parties come to existence because of some unhappiness within the circles of power, what is wrong with that if those in power are thick headed. 3rdly there in no universal norm on how to start a Party that is to be followed...so blavk people must stop to talk like "clever blacks" abasentjeziswa abelungu
The tea party😅
Why is Malema quiet
He did say that more will be leaving Let them go and take pregnant young girls to Robben Island... good riddance to bad rubbish
You don't have to entertain political pr**stitute as a leader
Why Malema never speak openly the truth with the members about GNU what his understanding other than willing work with ANC join gnu but not with DA Malema can't be trusted sometimes . Why he always fight Zuma more than can fight ANC? When both black freedom fighters?
Malema said long back that moany ll live
Good morning all. Only one thing Mr. Malema must have to dd just take EFF members to ANC and stopped his ego s of his grandmother promise or the fighters going to running awa and Joining Mr. Zuma who's was a president and failed to unite Or give south African majority land just going build for himself a village with corruption money, people's still following him with blinders eyes . He's already cause division with the members started the party just same like Mr. Malema done with the members using his power appointment for those who been found outside of their work jumping his loyal members. South African smile coffee and understand politicians just same all over the world is.
Good analysis