Thanks for this insight. My E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown e-mountain/cargo bike (out of Pahrump, Nevada) has the Hall Effect (magnetic sensing) torque sensor with NINE pedal assist settings. It works very well on difficult trails and off-trail.
Hi Mikey, Is it possible to replace a cadence sensor with a torque sensor bottom bracket or does the Controller have to also be changed? (Bafang Hub Motor) Thank you.
My 2012 Stromer uses a TMM4 strain guage type torque sensor at the rear derailleur hanger. The sensor plate hanger is cracked and bent inward and the derailleur is also damaged but oddly enough the ebike works well. Replaced the plate and derailleur, PAS response became poor and sluggish. Reinstalled original parts, torque sensor works fine. Is there an adjustment to calibrate the sensor by trial and error? I really want to replace the defective parts.
Bosch has their own, I know that for sure. If you look around for a bikes with a throttle and a torque sensor, then you probably found a bike company using kclamber.
Hi Mikey. Would these units work as a retro-fit replacement for eBikes with PAS on the crank, or would the controller need changing too? I imagine with PAS only an OFF/ON state is detected while torque units would need to send a signal range (say 0.0 to 1.0).
The controller would need changing too. I know throttles often output 0-5kΩ, I don't know the range of the torque sensor output. It might be customizable...? I'll ask the engineer I work with, and see if I can distill an answer less than 10 minutes.
Can I ask a question I have a Juliet connector on my rear bike motor where do I look to see what type of battery connector do I need since I want to upgrade my battery ah can you help me with this info I have a shwinn sidewinder 26” 36v 10.4 ah 250w can you plz help me with this thank
The connector at the motor doesn't connect directly to the battery. Between the motor and battery is a device called the controller. If you find the connection from the battery to the controller, you can get an idea for what connection is needed. You can replace the 36v 10ah battery with anything 36v. 20ah, 30ah, 5ah... Any ah rating will do. The hard part is making it fit physically without flopping around, and yes, getting the connection correct.
Blue Monkey Bicycles i dnt see a external box like on other bikes so where would I have to look for my controller on my bike sorry for all the dumb question but I’m new to this and need your help and guidance and thank u so much for your time and response I know your very knowledgeable that’s why i watch and share your vids with my friends do I need to take off the battery to see the controller connection?
Do I have to take off the battery to find the connector and mine I think says it’s a thumb controller the name of it is (key disp) I’m so lost right now need help
The throttle or the display that tells you how fast you're going is sometimes called a controller, but the word controller is reserved for a different part of the bike. Both the battery and the motor connect to the controller Sometimes it's in an external box, sometimes it's hidden in the frame of the bike, under the bike or under the battery. Follow either the motor or the battery, and you'll find the controller. Don't skip over the wire if it goes inside the bike, it's easy to mistake other cables.
Blue Monkey Bicycles my bike is pedal assist only it only has power button and assist level view nothing fancy just 3 buttons I sent you the name of my bike figured you could have sorted it or knew more about it than a begginer like me I very new To this learn as I go lol how small can the controller be then because I dnt see a box outside the frame so I guess I’m going to have to take the batter fin box off and look there inside the frame also im about to get a battery with more amp hours is it hard to change the connectors from the old battery to the new one ? Is it best to cut and slice or take it apart and weld it (sauder) together no matter what your the best bro thx as always
Truth be told, we shot the video on a Saturday and all the workers were home for the weekend. The big wigs put on a suit and pretended to labor so we could try and illustrate what the factory looks like.
Great video. Torque sensors are essential for economical use of battery power. Thanks for explaining this.
Thanks for this insight. My E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown e-mountain/cargo bike (out of Pahrump, Nevada) has the Hall Effect (magnetic sensing) torque sensor with NINE pedal assist settings. It works very well on difficult trails and off-trail.
what would be a compatible with these torque sensors? Do they have 5 wires, like other torque sensors?
Hi Mikey, Is it possible to replace a cadence sensor with a torque sensor bottom bracket or does the Controller have to also be changed? (Bafang Hub Motor) Thank you.
It’s possible to install both types of sensors?
Thanks!
Can you install these torque sensors on a converted ebike using bafang mid-drive motor?
Probably not
Another awesome video, Mikey!
Thanks!
Thanks Mikey
My 2012 Stromer uses a TMM4 strain guage type torque sensor at the rear derailleur hanger. The sensor plate hanger is cracked and bent inward and the derailleur is also damaged but oddly enough the ebike works well. Replaced the plate and derailleur, PAS response became poor and sluggish. Reinstalled original parts, torque sensor works fine. Is there an adjustment to calibrate the sensor by trial and error? I really want to replace the defective parts.
Why does their site no longer exist?
Big thanks to Kclmber for their support of the channel!
www.kclamberele.com/
Thanks for the informative video.
Torque + cadence some says is better. I can understand the use of torque but why mess it up with cadence?
You can check out a video we did on torque vs cadence pedal assist
Yeah how does it work when you have both torque and cadence sensors? A switch?
A torque sensor in a bottom bracket would be a good idea if it wasn't a torque sensor in a bottom bracket...
Huh?
i see in this video you pedal with your heel?
Where can I buy a Kclamber torque-sensing bottom bracket? Do they make a freestanding unit, or do they only make integrated factory ebike units?
They sell to bike companies. Not so much the general public.
do you think, within a year or two, a pinion gearbox could be engineered and manufactured with a hall effect torque sensor ?
When there's a will, there's a way
Hey Mikey- Could you elaborate on which manufactures use these sensors. For example , does Bosch use them?
Bosch has their own, I know that for sure. If you look around for a bikes with a throttle and a torque sensor, then you probably found a bike company using kclamber.
@2:37 Why are you cycling with your heels?
There's a camera attached to the chain stay, and I didn't want to kick it.
How much is it please???
Hi Mikey, is it possible to use this torque sensor for torque measurement from a small engine?
You might want to use a pedal power meter
Thanks for the Vid. Is it possible to convert a cadence sensor on my ebike to a torque sensor? I have a a 2018 Halfords vengeance e
You'd have to switch out the controller, one that comes with a torque sensor bottom bracket
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles So...the original controller wouldn't read the variable signal from the torque sensor? Thinking of modifying after purchase.
Hi Mikey. Would these units work as a retro-fit replacement for eBikes with PAS on the crank, or would the controller need changing too? I imagine with PAS only an OFF/ON state is detected while torque units would need to send a signal range (say 0.0 to 1.0).
The controller would need changing too.
I know throttles often output 0-5kΩ, I don't know the range of the torque sensor output. It might be customizable...? I'll ask the engineer I work with, and see if I can distill an answer less than 10 minutes.
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles Hi, Mikey, what did you find out on this?
Can't remember
How can a person purchase a single unit?
You can reach out to them for a sample unit. The Hong email in the description is the guy who knows English.
Hi is it possible for a 72v ebike?
I believe so
Can I ask a question I have a Juliet connector on my rear bike motor where do I look to see what type of battery connector do I need since I want to upgrade my battery ah can you help me with this info I have a shwinn sidewinder 26” 36v 10.4 ah 250w can you plz help me with this thank
The connector at the motor doesn't connect directly to the battery. Between the motor and battery is a device called the controller.
If you find the connection from the battery to the controller, you can get an idea for what connection is needed.
You can replace the 36v 10ah battery with anything 36v. 20ah, 30ah, 5ah... Any ah rating will do. The hard part is making it fit physically without flopping around, and yes, getting the connection correct.
Blue Monkey Bicycles i dnt see a external box like on other bikes so where would I have to look for my controller on my bike sorry for all the dumb question but I’m new to this and need your help and guidance and thank u so much for your time and response I know your very knowledgeable that’s why i watch and share your vids with my friends do I need to take off the battery to see the controller connection?
Do I have to take off the battery to find the connector and mine I think says it’s a thumb controller the name of it is (key disp) I’m so lost right now need help
The throttle or the display that tells you how fast you're going is sometimes called a controller, but the word controller is reserved for a different part of the bike.
Both the battery and the motor connect to the controller
Sometimes it's in an external box, sometimes it's hidden in the frame of the bike, under the bike or under the battery. Follow either the motor or the battery, and you'll find the controller. Don't skip over the wire if it goes inside the bike, it's easy to mistake other cables.
Blue Monkey Bicycles my bike is pedal assist only it only has power button and assist level view nothing fancy just 3 buttons I sent you the name of my bike figured you could have sorted it or knew more about it than a begginer like me I very new To this learn as I go lol how small can the controller be then because I dnt see a box outside the frame so I guess I’m going to have to take the batter fin box off and look there inside the frame also im about to get a battery with more amp hours is it hard to change the connectors from the old battery to the new one ? Is it best to cut and slice or take it apart and weld it (sauder) together no matter what your the best bro thx as always
I need a new Kclamber TORG2B-68-C-148-150mm
sensor...where I can buy in canada?? thanks
No idea
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles I found no place in the world to buy those torque sensor... :(
No place in the world? Did you ask the company who makes it, Kclamber?
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles I write to two peoples at the company...still waiting for a reply....
Ecells five star torque sensor settings nobody can figure them out
Very informative, it didn’t feel like it was made with a soldier aiming at you like the stigma around Chinese/cheap labor pools
Truth be told, we shot the video on a Saturday and all the workers were home for the weekend. The big wigs put on a suit and pretended to labor so we could try and illustrate what the factory looks like.
Racist much?
The guy's comment was about the economy/government of China. Very different from commenting on the people. Criticizing government isn't racist.
Very sad Kclamber uses a Chinese copycat sensor. Go for the original TMM torque sensor from IDbike!
Why do you say that?
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles Because we have the patent on this technology!
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles Also the Chinese Patent. And kClamber knows about it, they just copied our original design! So it’s a clear infringement!
What can you do?
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles It is very hard to stop infringement in China, but we will stop it!