1000 engineers were involved in creating this battery over three years!! It is 15% cheaper than comparable batteries. When subjected to severe crushing and pinpricks when fully charged it did not catch fire or explode. The production of the batteries started this week and will be in the 007 car on December the 7th! What an awesome battery!
Compete with Tesla you say? Dude Tesla is Chinese rebranded EV... Elon has been outsourcing from china since he stated doing business with china@@steveperreira5850
@@whowhy9023if you took the time you spent writing your reply to fact check you’d realize that this is on major news outlets around the world and it is indeed a Zeeker battery. Imagine that, if you decided to research before attacking someone online you’d have saved yourself from looking foolish.
Compared to the money spent in developing ICEs in the past hundred years EV battery technology is still in its toddler year, I expect more "shocking" news going forward. RIP ICE. 🎉
They will. For now, what we have are really those early day market "hares" showing their perceived force... Till the day, the biggies do appear with their real innovations. Toyota is on the go. Stellantis is on the go as well. Even Ford with advances and setbacks is on the go as well. And now let us to await what Mitsubishi, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Philips or LG will come aboard from the true established first world consumer electronics world whom are most of them on the battery market as well will have to say on the market. They've been quite silent for a reason: It's not their time to shake the market with their new solutions. In due time they'll to come across on the road. For now let us to have those "2nd round" entities to show their little advances... They're the base from where the biggies will to start the competition. BUT, and there is a huge BUT we have to notice: We won't have miracle batteries for tomorrow. Till 2030 we'll only to see small, incremental gains at the battery front, helped with small, incremental gains over the engines efficiency front... Nothing out of this world extraordinary. From 2030 onward, then yes. That is more or less when most of the new generation factories will be ready elsewhere to provide the wonderful news... Till then we'll need to be patient.
I think the current state of EV sales says all you need to know. All the morally dubious people who are ok with child slavery, and massive environmental damage associated with mining the minerals required for production, have bought into another of Elon's great scams, everyone else aren't falling for the dumbassery and lies. Good luck getting your deathtrap insured suckers. Nevermind that a national grid capable of supporting mass switch over to EV's doesn't exist. You've all been mugged off.
@@gregdean8441 Are you assuming that EVs would never be better than ICEs in your lifetime? If not, why the need to wait for 99 years? Technological improvements never stops whatever your expectation.
@gregdean8441 Why are you so attached to fossil fuel and ICE vehicles? Whatever happened to those who were attached to horse & buggy technology? There's a good chance that fossil fuels will still be useful. To power homes instead of vehicles Producing plastics and... Providing power for the generators that charge EVs, so fossil fuel can still coexist with battery technology. You'll still have your favorite pet to dote on. Cheer up!..😊.
I recently sat in a Zeekr One. Oh boy, is that a car..! The Chinese seem to innovating on all BEV headline fronts at, what Sandy Munro calls, the speed of thought. And he attributes that to Tesla. Elon Musk says that Chinese BEV and battery companies are true competition. Says it all really.
Some online news outlets say that Geely are planning on doing that but who knows. With the US tariffs they have less incentive to do so now that Europe is selling other Geely brands. The flip side is that it reportedly will cut manufacturing costs by almost 15%, which would help with US market adoption.
Geely owns Volvo which owns Polestar, don’t they? So the magic “golden battery” should logically debut there. If it actually exists, which is doubtful.
If this new Geely LFP battery is indeed as good as claimed, then I won't be surprised Geely might allow a bunch of battery manufacturers all over the world to license produce it. As far as I know, Geely currently don't have much battery manufacturing capacity. With 500kw charging, this battery is essentially future proofed. There is no practical need to be better than 500 kw.
@@fractalelf7760 Long range plus charging in 15min with the added benefits of being able to charge at home for pennies, that sounds better than a gas car.
Thanks very much again for your honest assessment of the latest battery technology from Geely. What a pity that we in the US may never have the opportunity of availing ourselves of this. As it stands, the tarrifs make it prohibitively expensive for China OEMS to sell any of their EV's. I suppose that so called "national security risk" is always the justification. I can only dream.
INCREDIBLE ! ! GOLDEN ! ! THANK YOU 🙏🏽 ELECTRIC VIKING ! I’m confused, I’m wondering how they keep the insulation around the electronics from melting or catching fire. Amazing
You wonder is this the reason why the Volvo EX30, which uses the Geely-developed Sustainable Exprerienc Architecture (SEA), is being delayed so Geely could incorporate this new battery type into the EX30?
If Geely could get these batteries into their London taxi and dump the ICE side of this hybrid, that'd be an amazing show case for them. And in a fairly compact area - Greater London mainly - so easy to control and a few thousand highly visible and used cars. And being LFP should mean taxis last a couple of decades at least.
@@BarryObaminableLFP is the cheapest format so it makes most sense, quick charge speeds are a massive plus for somebody who earns a living from the vehicle
I don't normally get too excited by these things, but this is impressive to me. And it's not actually the battery density; it's the OTHER stuff surrounding these batteries. Inevitably, density will improve as well, and when you put them BOTH together, that is a huge step forwards. I think we also need to see the charging infrastructure capable of delivering these higher speed fast chargers. But thats coming too, and the Tesla v4 chargers are already in the marketplace, which would be great if they were everywhere, but they're getting more widespread.
it would be impressive... if it were true. Anything coming from china is to be taken with much skepticism. This kind of sudden leap in capability within the same battery chemistry is incredibly unlikely. Incredibly unlikely. Practically impossible. especially without the rest of the industry knowing about it and already developing it simultaneously.
@@squirts1 Well, there are plenty of things coming from China, including iPhones. Basically everything we have here in Australia is made in China, and we Aussies understand that China is pretty much the manufacturer of the world. They have big tech companies, and are being banned from all sorts of things due to their advancing competition with western technologies. And not only iPhones, but Chinese factories also make various Tesla models, which get exported around the world as well. It wouldn't surprise me if you looked at your own computer, phone, or wifi router, and it was made in China as well. As far as battery chemistry advances, I dont know. I've seen some advances from Amprius, which seem to be quite a bit more dense than current commercial batteries from CATL et al, so I wouldnt have an issue with new tech making its way into commercialisation. To be honest, what we see in production today (version n) is already obsolete. In the lab, CATL will have n+1 ready to go NOW, and they're working on n+2 and pathways to commercialisation. All of this is part of planned obsolescence, and how to maximise their return on investment, versus competition in the marketplace.
@@bigrobsydney Your cute little monologue has absolutely no relevance to this. Who cares where products are made? That's got nothing to do with anything. Any... *information*... coming from china is to be taken with much skepticism. I assumed you understood that's what we are talking about. The second paragraph is a bunch of nonsense. Lab claims and commercial viability are VERY different things and your opinion at the end is not even worth addressing. It's not a "chemistry advance." The (LFP) battery chemistry is what it is. There would only be incremental improvements going forward. Primarily from manufacturing improvements. They are talking about 870km range (540mi) out of a 100kwh battery. Ya... ok. Those numbers would indicate their car (not battery) is 25% more efficient than a tesla (and every other car). Nope. Their current car with a 140kwh battery managed 536 miles of range which translates to about 325 miles out of a 100kwh battery. The testing for the Zeekr I've seen has shown the car to be "thirsty" to use the driver's words (inefficient). They also claim these batteries are FAR more energy dense... if that is the case, then why is it still only 100kwh?
@@squirts1 Oh dear, now you are contradicting yourself and coming off like a fool. Contradiction: You said: "Anything coming from china" Then you said: "Who cares where products are made?" And "What we are talking about? Sorry, but you responded to MY point. I know what my point is, thanks very much. If you want to start a new point, by all means go ahead. Based on your current level of stupidity, I wont bother reading it. If you dont understand the pathway to commercialisation, that's great. I'm not going to spend any time explaining it to a moron. Have a nice day.
Let's just wait and see. I also don't really believe it. I don't wait to buy a car with this tech, maybe the next one in 5 years would have the 3rd improved stable version of it. Or not.
-45 for two whole days! My home town is regularly -45 for a month straight and will go down to -60. And yes we drive in those conditions every year with out issue. Got to love Canada! And no one needs another 100000= car before we get -25000 cars.
You can store a battery at -45c, just don’t try to use it while that cold. Going from that to a 1,000 degree environment is a time game. Make sure you pull it out before the cells reach 200C.
This could be the first battery to survive Canadian climate. But currently, you’re going to have a difficult time finding an EV on the Road where I live.
@@ZoomZoomMX3Why do you assume chineses cars are garbage when a large part of the quality products you use today are made in China. Remember when japanese things were crap? And Korean?
Fascinating stuff Vik! Expect game changing Solid State bats that will be smaller, lighter, higher energy density, faster charging times, fire proof than these....hold those horses.
Expect all you want, but not wise to wait for some future "solid state" breakthrough." Battery advancements will come, maybe solid state, maybe other tech like LFP, M3P, Na-ion, LiS, etc. In the meantime today's batteries are already very good for automobile use.
My KIA Niro EV lives in -45c 3 months of the year. No issue. As I live in Saskatchewan. It does lose range at that temperature but it doesn't have any long term degradation
Geely is the bomb. Only Chinese access to North America w Volvo, Polestar, Lotus, British Cabs in UK, Volvo and Smart in Europe. Global EV Zeekr And large and growing Geely Galaxy in portfolio in China, Proton in Malaysia. Geely sold 10,000 ICE cars in freezing Russia last month, Boyle Coolray brands etc , now they beaten CATL cheeerin battery! its a behemoth
Quite interesting but I’d be more interested in seeing the battery actually functioning in a loaded situation with 200C temperature as that’s a true stress test. The thermal runaway conditions occur *inside* the battery. I’m also wondering if the 25% faster charging speed at -10 is _relative_ to an older battery model rather than compared against itself at say +25C.
Assuming these are for real - Geely should split the battery pack in two and put a charging port on each side of the car. That way, you could plug a charger into each side to double up the charging speed.
The average age of a light vehicle registered in the USA is 12.5 years, according to S&P Global Mobility in May 2023. So, that's how long we can expect every new ICE vehicle bought instead of an EV today to stick around. The sooner we can develop batteries that alleviate challenges of range anxiety, charging rate and combustibility, the more auto buyers will feel confident in transitioning to an EV over an ICEV - and the more effectively we can facilitate cutting CO2 and other pollutants from the transportation sector. Let's hope that this technology and its benefits truly pan out.
500kw+ charging is the future and will make range anxiety a memory. Cars are one thing and have battery management systems for safety and if they do go up in flames nothing else is affected (if its parked outside) but electric scooters that are safe and that can be taken on trains again without the insurance costs exploding would make personal mobility so easy for anyone within a couple of miles of a train station that cars would be needed a lot less. I hope Geely gets these batteries into scooters and all the dangerous ones are recalled so those without a car can benefit too.
I am very much onside with EV's et al. Love the tech (I am a retired mainframe computer engineer with 49 years in the industry). So, having said that I see two problems. 1: the minus 45 degree then into a 100 degree fire test. How long was the battery in the fire? After two days at minus 45 degrees, I would imagine thermal intertia would enable the battery pack to survive in a 1000 degree fire for a while. 2: When will ANCAP start testing EV's and battery packs? I would like to see how and EV battery would survive (or, more impportantly, not self destruct) after a head on at 60+ k's into a solid concrete block.
My prediction still stands. Three new types of batteries per year for the next decade. All researchers are on notice, you don't get years anymore to get to production, you have months before something better is out. The big question for anyone investing in lithium is how many more years will it be that batteries still use lithium? That is not known but I'm thinking 10 years from now almost no lithium will be used in batteries.
@@bozo5632 That would be the cheapest and most available material to use. Even if other batteries worked better sodium batteries might be used in less expensive vehicles.
Unfortunately, sodium is more than three times as heavy as lithium. That doesn't translate into a battery that's three times as heavy, but there is a significant weight increase for sodium batteries.
@jeffreyquinn3820 But lithium batteries could theoretically reach the energy density of gasoline, sodium should also reach very high numbers eventually yes?
@@Apjooz Or something new we don't even know about yet is better than both. It's not normal for products to be secret until they are introduced by some companies may still do that.
Hi Sam, there are 18.4 million vehicles on Australian roads. We typically sell 1 million new cars a year - sounds very much to me, like we'll have ICE vehicles in varying degrees for at least another 18 years! Ooops.
Take what you hear with a grain of salt. Zeekr battery charging curve is typically characterized with a high peak for a very short duration, and followed by a very steep drop. I think that Zeekr designs the charging system this way for marketing purpose. By the end of the day, it is the amount of time you spend at charging stations that matters, not the peak charging power.
He mentioned that the Battery was kept at -45 degrees Celsius for two days. Following this, it was placed in a fire, although he did not specify the exact time it remained there. It's likely that it was only in the fire for a brief period, just enough to allow it to reach a warmer temperature again.
Internet search tells me that Chinese standard is 130 sec in 700C fire. This battery lasted 240 sec and survived. Not sure if that is the actual end limit or just where they ended the test.
If you listen again he says they held it at -45 degrees Celsius for two days Then they put it in the fire but he doesn't say how long it was in the Fire for i'm guessing just seconds Long enough for it to warm back up again
Internet search told @TJPavey that Chinese standard is 130 sec in 700C fire. This battery lasted 240 sec and survived. Not sure if that is the actual end limit or just where they ended the test.
No way can the battery withstand 1000°C. It was a publicity stunt to immerse the battery pack in 1000° fire bath for a period of time, that time certainly not being long enough to bring the interior of the battery structure up to 1000° C. Just in case I’m wrong, this would be sort of a miracle !!
But seriously, lithium in elementary form has a melting point of 180°C. Chargeable in -10°C tho is impressive and useful! Less or practically no wasted energy on keeping the battery warm, good!
The charging rate is rated 500 KW then at a home voltage of 240 vac that would take over 200 A to charge at that rate. Most modern homes in USA have a 240 vac, 200 A service which would take all the amperage available. Of course if you stepped up the 240 vac to 800 vac then that would reduce the amps to about 50 A to 60 A to get to 500 KW charge rate.
Worth remembering too that all the ICE Lambo supercars getting beaten by Teslas don't actually have the same range as your frugal ICE car. They are about 300-400 miles. Electric cars are the future, just a matter of how quickly
Technology is one thing. Even it is superior in technical asepct, there is something call the econsystem. If there is no econsystem, than it cant take off. We shall see How Geely and CATl build the eco system around this tech.
Here is interesting new Sam should comment on “on Monday in Oslo, Norway about 50 city buses were cancelled and taken out of service. The bus company Ruter reported that the range of the electric buses was not as good as usual because of the cold weather”.
I live in the Canadian prairies. Close to 20% of peak-time diesel bus routes are cancelled in the coldest weather because the bus either breaks down or can't be started. No vehicle runs well below minus 30 Celsius.
@@LaBamba690 but are using NCM chemistry, which degrades faster and can pose a fire risk if the temperature is not carefully managed, unlike LFP batteries.
The problem now moves to the charging infrastructure. Home charging is not a problem. But motorway charging and charging away from flats/apartment blocks is a few years away. It will happen. Extremely positive improvement. 300Kw needs a local substation
I believe it's "game over" for the electric car. No matter how good the car or the battery is there isn't enough infrastructure and what you buy today is worthless in one to two years because of the so-called technological advances. Imagine a charging station being able to cope simultaneously with 10 vehicles charging and those vehicles being filled to at least 80% capacity in minutes? You can't imagine this scenario. No matter how many wind turbines or solar panels are "planted", those means will never cope with cities, industries and thousands upon thousands of electric vehicles wanting power.
Cities in the north of the United States and Canada can already withstand the vast majority of cars having plug-in block heaters. Yes, that's only the equivalent of granny-cord charging, but realistically, most home-charging only needs granny-cord speed.
LFP is amazing for charge cycles and retention of capacity. If this is equivalent to other LFP you shouldn’t worry. 1000 cycles without much loss. Figure in the bigger capacity (meaning fewer cycles) and the pack should outlast the car.
AWESOME! With this new safer battery technology we will have a much clearer environment. Hope they can share this newer safer batteries technology to the world ? 😉💖🌞🔋💖⚡️🌏💯👍
Great videos Sam. But I can't bring myself to believe the 1000⁰c claim. The battery would have to have no copper connectors/ cables, aluminium, zinc, plastics, sealants, etc. Most substances are degraded at 1000⁰c There's a typo somewhere.
Capacitors charge like that but you will need a really big capacitor battery bank connected to the grid charging all of the time then when a car is connected it can dump a extremely large amount of current to the car to recharge it. A capacitor will dump 90% of its charge in the first second and another 90% of what’s left in the next second and it chargers the same way that’s why they are used to take the ripples out of ac voltage to make it DC they will also use a coil of wire because it tries to stop the voltage drop and the capacitor will add current to keep the voltage up and if you put a big capacitor on each side of the coil it will take a pulsing voltage and smooth it out and make it a steady DC voltage. I realize that since IC’s came out people don’t seem to know anything about basics electronics anymore but till the 1970’s it was a big deal we even made vibrators to change DC back into AC to use with tubes and people use to make there own tubes using wire and screen wire and sealed them in old cigar tubes along with making there own capacitor’s we made some really big ones with things like a bottle filled with mercury sitting on a metal plate and things like a diode made from a rusty old razor blade with a wire attached to it. But now days everything is digital so we don’t make thing anymore. It cracks me up watching stuff these days like how complicated things like making tea are these days requiring so much equipment to do you dump tea leaves in water and let it soak for a while then take it out now if you use hot water it will get bitter after a couple of minutes it doesn’t do that in cold water and you don’t need to set it in the sun either anything over a couple of hours or even a day is ok then you can take out the tea bag or strainer or pore it through a screen coffee is the same and it never gets bitter if you don’t try to rush it by getting it hotter I’m assuming the same thing goes for batteries trying to heat everything up to hot causes problems. I just was watching one of the engineers from Tesla and he was talking bout there batteries keeping them on a charger and there’s cut the power when they start heating up because the batteries start to crystallize above 70 degrees so they have to cut the power before they get hot if it crystallizes all the way to the other plate it shorts out and has a runaway
That's pretty cool. I wonder what they did . I mean about the only thing that will kill my lfp that run my house is charging them below freezing. And they figured out a way that not only does it not destroy the battery but makes it charge faster.
I've heard rumblings about this, but I don't follow it as closely as some of you who listen here. I was going maybe until the very end, and then I realized somebody's being overenthusiastic at least in one area. If the battery is 100 kilowatt hours they're testing, that determines the range. Period. It doesn't determine the speed of charge, the temperature envelope, etc but once you have the electricity in there, that quantity is going to determine how far the vehicle can go. Which is going to be highly vehicle and application dependent. Streamlining and the speeds most of the driving will be done at make a huge difference. So does weight. The efficiency of the electric motors makes a difference, but I haven't heard of anything groundbreaking on that. So I don't see how you are going to get 800+ kilometer range with a 100kW battery.
Hi Sam, we have a few, very few, 400kW chargers in Spain. I always thought it was too much for current EV's. However, from now on they may have a competitive advantage.
The large majority of EV users mostly charge their batteries at home, ( an expensive but important conveince) and already paid a heavy price for a required charger upgrade. In most weatern nations the grid, already burdoned by non steady state wind and solar, simply cannot handle a substainal large percentage of EV cars. (Simple fact) Imagine 50 percent of the homes in your neighborhood pluging in 100 KW batteries. There are other large issues with the resources required to substain such a wholesale tranformation. Hybrids like the Rav 4 prime that require zero upgrade to home elect, pull about 12 amps, are a very practical alternative. If the transition allowed 3rd and 4th generation nuclear then this could happen. Until then what cant happen, wont.
I get your point but that is not a situation likely to happen as it is not either going every diesel or gasoline vehicles to refill their tanks at the same time. In my country there are over 33millions of combustion vehicles and around 12.800 gas stations. This means, considering your same approach of the sizing of current electrical network, that there should be over 2.500 cars waiting for refueling in every gas station. Is this happening? Check it in your country, in mine is not because we don't go at the same time. Same for electrics.
@@anderd333I have to disagree with you there. Charging from home is probably the cheapest option anywhere in the world, more so if you have your own solar panels. Also the grid is capable of supplying much more power for charging already. The grid supplies its maximum in the evening and after that peak, the operators start switching off generation capacity until a minimum requirement is reached. Simply keep the generators running overnight to provide all the charging required. In the UK the average car does about 22 miles a day. This means 2 hours charging at 3 kw already easily covered by existing generation capacity. Just because an ev has a massive range and charging capacity it will still be doing average journeys and will be charged accordingly. If I am in bed for 8 hours I don't care if the car is charged in 10 mins or 8 hours. If I am on the road I would prefer 10 mins
If 100 percent of my neighbours were charging, the neighbourhood would still be charging on average for 22 miles per car per day. The tech to handle this is already built in to chargers
If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. It is highly improbable that one battery manufacturer would make such a gigantic leap in front of everybody else, even more so without multiple hype-busting caveats. As for the future or ICEs, there will always be a market for things that aren't entirely dependent on grid power no matter how much more batteries may improve. Large-scale power outages are a thing and fuel is far more convenient to shuttle around than batteries when they happen.
Much as I hate to agree with you ... I agree with you. On the one hand, it IS Geely-Volvo. On the other hand, love Sam's channel dearly as I do he does tend to get overenthusiastic (just a tad! 😂 ). HOW real is this "breakthrough"? Where did the data he is using come from? Can it be trusted? How did they get ahead of Elon (that one's simple, he's busy playing god on "X" and hobnobbing with the worst examples of the human species - so he wasn't paying attention). PLUS, these are in China ... how many decades before the US Congress (which is pretty much OWNED by the deep-pocketed criminals in the Auto Dealers Association) will let them into the US (so our mindless sycophants in Ottawa will allow us to buy them)?
You have to know that it's a Chinese company. Do you know how many amazing technology breakthroughs Chinese companies announce each year that later turn out to be duds? That's how they get the government to subsidise them.
@@mikethespike7579 Yes, I've heard quite a bit about China's infamous "tofu dregs" projects - millions/billions of dollars sunk in projects that either fail spectacularly or don't even get to delivery. Tesla's FSD feels a bit like that, closing in on 10 years of promising FSD next year. SpaceX is doing a lot of that over-promising, over-budget under-delivering too.
This looks like an interesting development, but I don't share your confident that ICE is dead. Not while the battery tech doesn't meets the needs of all mobile applications. And there could still be competing ICE/alternate fuel technology improvements that could outrun the battery technology. Examples include solid state hydrogen, synthetic fuels and ammonia.
you’re wishful thinking will not age well. I promise you, the hydrogen is not going to save you. There is too much bullshit out there in the main stream media field trying to sell people on the idea of miracle improvement in internal combustion engine technology. Big oil and other interests promote it, such as auto unions. Way more labor and ice cars…
Frankly, they don’t know what to do. These big legacy companies are a collection of Second rate college graduates At the management level. They are not engineers and scientists, they are business majors with the useless MBA degree. They have no chance against any company that focuses on science and engineering and that means they are doomed agsinst Tesla and China
The problem is that any EV battery should be capable of being frozen, then put into a 1000°C fire without catching fire if the it's only a short time in the fire.
the problem isn’t using a frozen battery to discharge…its the charging….LFP chemistry still needs the cells to be above 0°C before they can be charged…that means heating the batteries by other means, the crutch in northern climates. Kills efficiency, using energy to make heat, before you can charge the cells
@@kittyhawk9886People are not worrying about their internal combustion cars combusting on their own. Apart from some bad models, there is decades of history and use covering not just road transport, but marine and air also. Submarine design is rarely incorporating lithium batteries due to safety concerns. The potential danger that these large battery packs are to the general public is under rated.
I believe electronic / battery will progress much faster than we expect. However, there is no way that current electricity grid can handle such kind of current. Once can when charging its battery, it can use nearly 100 home's average electricity. Imagine if tomorrow we all swapped our ICE to EV, then no body will be able to drive his/ her car at all! the grid simply run out of capacity. For Australia, unless the country has upgrade its electricity supply system with many times more capacity than what we have today, the EV future is very limited.
This is not about cells, it is about the case. And -45 is not a problem unless you are charging it frozen. So, warming it with fire is actually not that crazy. And of course the cell temperature was not 1000C, likely not more than 100C. And the outer case was probably not much more than 100C but the surface was max 200C. Also the insulation likely is maylar that quite temperature resilient. Still it looks like the very tech and the marketing too ))
1000 °C, What is this made from? Polyimide / Kapton is good to 400°C Soft solder typically has a melting point range of 90 to 450 °C Aluminum is usually good to 650°C depending on the alloy
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1000 engineers were involved in creating this battery over three years!! It is 15% cheaper than comparable batteries. When subjected to severe crushing and pinpricks when fully charged it did not catch fire or explode. The production of the batteries started this week and will be in the 007 car on December the 7th! What an awesome battery!
Very impressive. Finally I’ve seen something to Compete with Tesla. And I am a Tesla fan boy.
What about exposure to water?
Compete with Tesla you say? Dude Tesla is Chinese rebranded EV... Elon has been outsourcing from china since he stated doing business with china@@steveperreira5850
@@JoeyBlogs007ipx level 8, tested 48 hours under water
Don't believe it marketing 1500 degree and the wires don't melt please. big marketing stunt......😅
Hoping they update all of the Volvo models with this breakthrough. As you point out, this is an amazing breakthrough.
Yes! I hope that too! 😀
Can you imagine the New EX30 69kWH with this new battery,things are getting very exciting 👍
😂😂😂
He announces breakthroughs all the time.
It’s usually just BS.
Gely doesn’t even make batteries…😂😂
Assuming they are the latest CATL batteries ?
@@whowhy9023Go read some real news perhaps? Look up Geely Technology Group.
@@whowhy9023if you took the time you spent writing your reply to fact check you’d realize that this is on major news outlets around the world and it is indeed a Zeeker battery. Imagine that, if you decided to research before attacking someone online you’d have saved yourself from looking foolish.
Compared to the money spent in developing ICEs in the past hundred years EV battery technology is still in its toddler year, I expect more "shocking" news going forward. RIP ICE. 🎉
They will. For now, what we have are really those early day market "hares" showing their perceived force... Till the day, the biggies do appear with their real innovations. Toyota is on the go. Stellantis is on the go as well. Even Ford with advances and setbacks is on the go as well. And now let us to await what Mitsubishi, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Philips or LG will come aboard from the true established first world consumer electronics world whom are most of them on the battery market as well will have to say on the market. They've been quite silent for a reason: It's not their time to shake the market with their new solutions. In due time they'll to come across on the road. For now let us to have those "2nd round" entities to show their little advances... They're the base from where the biggies will to start the competition. BUT, and there is a huge BUT we have to notice: We won't have miracle batteries for tomorrow. Till 2030 we'll only to see small, incremental gains at the battery front, helped with small, incremental gains over the engines efficiency front... Nothing out of this world extraordinary. From 2030 onward, then yes. That is more or less when most of the new generation factories will be ready elsewhere to provide the wonderful news... Till then we'll need to be patient.
I think the current state of EV sales says all you need to know. All the morally dubious people who are ok with child slavery, and massive environmental damage associated with mining the minerals required for production, have bought into another of Elon's great scams, everyone else aren't falling for the dumbassery and lies. Good luck getting your deathtrap insured suckers. Nevermind that a national grid capable of supporting mass switch over to EV's doesn't exist. You've all been mugged off.
So your expecting to live another 99 years good luck !
We will not ditch fossil fuels in your lifetime get over it !
@@gregdean8441 Are you assuming that EVs would never be better than ICEs in your lifetime? If not, why the need to wait for 99 years? Technological improvements never stops whatever your expectation.
@gregdean8441
Why are you so attached to fossil fuel and ICE vehicles?
Whatever happened to those who were attached to horse & buggy technology?
There's a good chance that fossil fuels will still be useful.
To power homes instead of vehicles
Producing plastics and...
Providing power for the generators that charge EVs, so fossil fuel can still coexist with battery technology.
You'll still have your favorite pet to dote on. Cheer up!..😊.
I recently sat in a Zeekr One. Oh boy, is that a car..!
The Chinese seem to innovating on all BEV headline fronts at, what Sandy Munro calls, the speed of thought. And he attributes that to Tesla. Elon Musk says that Chinese BEV and battery companies are true competition. Says it all really.
Seems promising. Looking forward to them coming to europe.
I hope Volvo and Polestar also get this battery
Some online news outlets say that Geely are planning on doing that but who knows. With the US tariffs they have less incentive to do so now that Europe is selling other Geely brands. The flip side is that it reportedly will cut manufacturing costs by almost 15%, which would help with US market adoption.
Geely owns Volvo which owns Polestar, don’t they? So the magic “golden battery” should logically debut there. If it actually exists, which is doubtful.
If this new Geely LFP battery is indeed as good as claimed, then I won't be surprised Geely might allow a bunch of battery manufacturers all over the world to license produce it. As far as I know, Geely currently don't have much battery manufacturing capacity. With 500kw charging, this battery is essentially future proofed. There is no practical need to be better than 500 kw.
Possibly. They plan to use it across their multiple makes. This could be huge for allowing polestar and Volvo to take a big US market share.
@@TJPaveyNo way. Not saying that to be mean but Volvo would need to really do something amazing to capture US market share…. This is not it.
@@fractalelf7760 Long range plus charging in 15min with the added benefits of being able to charge at home for pennies, that sounds better than a gas car.
@@antoniocruz8083 It is but it’s no enough. Volvo is a good product but literally off the U.S. radar…
@@antoniocruz8083 It is, the problem is that’s not enough to change the US attitude towards Volvos.
Don't forget, Geely owns Volvo and Polestar!!
Yes, that is interesting.
good luck charging them we dont have enough power in sydney for homes today already a few substations tripped off couldnt handle load
Finally! Battery tech that will work well for us here in Alaska!
Thanks very much again for your honest assessment of the latest battery technology from Geely. What a pity that we in the US may never have the opportunity of availing ourselves of this. As it stands, the tarrifs make it prohibitively expensive for China OEMS to sell any of their EV's. I suppose that so called "national security risk" is always the justification. I can only dream.
What's Leon,...Sorry, Elon going to say about this. Has he got an Ace to Trump this Geely mob??
We do get Polestar and Volvo EVs here in the US. IIRC they are made in China, by Geely. It would be nice if they bring the Zeeker cars here someday.
All the US OEMs have to do is invest in start ups and get busy, but no, they are in denial and just want to protect their old tech and profits.
INCREDIBLE ! !
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ELECTRIC VIKING !
I’m confused, I’m wondering how they keep the insulation around the electronics from melting or catching fire. Amazing
You wonder is this the reason why the Volvo EX30, which uses the Geely-developed Sustainable Exprerienc Architecture (SEA), is being delayed so Geely could incorporate this new battery type into the EX30?
Nope. The EX30 is up and running.
The EX30 and Zeekr 007 are both based on SEA architecture so maybe
If Geely could get these batteries into their London taxi and dump the ICE side of this hybrid, that'd be an amazing show case for them. And in a fairly compact area - Greater London mainly - so easy to control and a few thousand highly visible and used cars. And being LFP should mean taxis last a couple of decades at least.
Smart
taxis can basically use any lithium. city traffic barely makes batteries sweat. going 70 mph does.
@@BarryObaminableLFP is the cheapest format so it makes most sense, quick charge speeds are a massive plus for somebody who earns a living from the vehicle
Too good to be true. I'd bet on it but hope I'm wrong
I bought a Geely made car two months ago. Geely is the new VW group. Volvo, Polestar, Zeekr, Smart, Lotus.
@@stevenjones916 Google says.. Geely's net profit in the first half of 2023 rose 1.2 per cent year on year to 1.57 billion yuan (US$215.9 million).23
I don't normally get too excited by these things, but this is impressive to me. And it's not actually the battery density; it's the OTHER stuff surrounding these batteries. Inevitably, density will improve as well, and when you put them BOTH together, that is a huge step forwards. I think we also need to see the charging infrastructure capable of delivering these higher speed fast chargers. But thats coming too, and the Tesla v4 chargers are already in the marketplace, which would be great if they were everywhere, but they're getting more widespread.
it would be impressive... if it were true. Anything coming from china is to be taken with much skepticism. This kind of sudden leap in capability within the same battery chemistry is incredibly unlikely. Incredibly unlikely. Practically impossible. especially without the rest of the industry knowing about it and already developing it simultaneously.
@@squirts1 Well, there are plenty of things coming from China, including iPhones. Basically everything we have here in Australia is made in China, and we Aussies understand that China is pretty much the manufacturer of the world. They have big tech companies, and are being banned from all sorts of things due to their advancing competition with western technologies. And not only iPhones, but Chinese factories also make various Tesla models, which get exported around the world as well. It wouldn't surprise me if you looked at your own computer, phone, or wifi router, and it was made in China as well.
As far as battery chemistry advances, I dont know. I've seen some advances from Amprius, which seem to be quite a bit more dense than current commercial batteries from CATL et al, so I wouldnt have an issue with new tech making its way into commercialisation. To be honest, what we see in production today (version n) is already obsolete. In the lab, CATL will have n+1 ready to go NOW, and they're working on n+2 and pathways to commercialisation. All of this is part of planned obsolescence, and how to maximise their return on investment, versus competition in the marketplace.
@@bigrobsydney Your cute little monologue has absolutely no relevance to this. Who cares where products are made? That's got nothing to do with anything.
Any... *information*... coming from china is to be taken with much skepticism. I assumed you understood that's what we are talking about.
The second paragraph is a bunch of nonsense. Lab claims and commercial viability are VERY different things and your opinion at the end is not even worth addressing.
It's not a "chemistry advance." The (LFP) battery chemistry is what it is. There would only be incremental improvements going forward. Primarily from manufacturing improvements.
They are talking about 870km range (540mi) out of a 100kwh battery. Ya... ok. Those numbers would indicate their car (not battery) is 25% more efficient than a tesla (and every other car). Nope. Their current car with a 140kwh battery managed 536 miles of range which translates to about 325 miles out of a 100kwh battery. The testing for the Zeekr I've seen has shown the car to be "thirsty" to use the driver's words (inefficient).
They also claim these batteries are FAR more energy dense... if that is the case, then why is it still only 100kwh?
@@squirts1 Oh dear, now you are contradicting yourself and coming off like a fool.
Contradiction:
You said: "Anything coming from china"
Then you said: "Who cares where products are made?"
And "What we are talking about? Sorry, but you responded to MY point. I know what my point is, thanks very much. If you want to start a new point, by all means go ahead. Based on your current level of stupidity, I wont bother reading it.
If you dont understand the pathway to commercialisation, that's great. I'm not going to spend any time explaining it to a moron.
Have a nice day.
@@squirts1Do your fact checks.
Get back to us...
That's an invitation..😊
We must have read the same article. I would like to know what the battery degregation is and how fast charging affects them.
🎉Technology is improving.
This is a game over moment for ice
Has he verified this from other sources? He was stoked about the room temp super conductors and some other perpetual motion machines.
What other sources? It's a manufacturer new product announcement. The only "spin" might be he said Geely didn't have a history of exaggerated claims.
Let's just wait and see. I also don't really believe it. I don't wait to buy a car with this tech, maybe the next one in 5 years would have the 3rd improved stable version of it. Or not.
@@richard--s I’m sceptical about this too. All the same it will be interesting to watch and I hope my scepticism is unfounded.
Amen V
There are no other sources yet, it’s just company announcement like what Apple does or any else with new tech. So far it is what Geely said…
-45 for two whole days! My home town is regularly -45 for a month straight and will go down to -60. And yes we drive in those conditions every year with out issue. Got to love Canada! And no one needs another 100000= car before we get -25000 cars.
Good to see you excited.
Another day another miracle battery that is promised to be available soon...
I know there's a lot of ICE lovers here angry about change. It's difficult to part with old ways. But this is the future calling. I love this channel!
Hi, Xpeng 4c battery also has 480kw not lfp battery as well. Lfp is maybe safer. Good news
Thanks
You can store a battery at -45c, just don’t try to use it while that cold. Going from that to a 1,000 degree environment is a time game. Make sure you pull it out before the cells reach 200C.
This could be the first battery to survive Canadian climate. But currently, you’re going to have a difficult time finding an EV on the Road where I live.
Really doubt any dollar store Chinese product would pass quality requirements of Canada people here don't usually want garbage that doesn't last
@@ZoomZoomMX3if you want to pay 100 dollars for a 65’ TV, what quality do you expect? Please buy 1500 dollar one.
New lfp batteries and sodium ion batteries will kill the ICE market
@@ZoomZoomMX3Why do you assume chineses cars are garbage when a large part of the quality products you use today are made in China. Remember when japanese things were crap? And Korean?
@@ZoomZoomMX3Chinese EV's are much higher quality than any German EV's
Fascinating stuff Vik!
Expect game changing Solid State bats that will be smaller, lighter, higher energy density, faster charging times, fire proof than these....hold those horses.
Lots of innovation seems to be coming on all fronts regarding batteries. It’s the holy Grail.
Expect all you want, but not wise to wait for some future "solid state" breakthrough." Battery advancements will come, maybe solid state, maybe other tech like LFP, M3P, Na-ion, LiS, etc. In the meantime today's batteries are already very good for automobile use.
My KIA Niro EV lives in -45c 3 months of the year. No issue. As I live in Saskatchewan. It does lose range at that temperature but it doesn't have any long term degradation
Sounds incredible. My dream becoming reality.
Geely is the bomb. Only Chinese access to North America w Volvo, Polestar, Lotus, British Cabs in UK, Volvo and Smart in Europe. Global EV Zeekr And large and growing Geely Galaxy in portfolio in China, Proton in Malaysia. Geely sold 10,000 ICE cars in freezing Russia last month, Boyle Coolray brands etc , now they beaten CATL cheeerin battery! its a behemoth
That's really a game changer! Thank you, Sam, for the updates. It seems that James Bond's car (007) will be quite promising :)
Sam in Australia it’s all about the charging network in Rural and regional area we need to talk about it more!
Quite interesting but I’d be more interested in seeing the battery actually functioning in a loaded situation with 200C temperature as that’s a true stress test. The thermal runaway conditions occur *inside* the battery. I’m also wondering if the 25% faster charging speed at -10 is _relative_ to an older battery model rather than compared against itself at say +25C.
It’s been “Game Over” since I started watching years ago. And you know, some day it will be.
Assuming these are for real - Geely should split the battery pack in two and put a charging port on each side of the car. That way, you could plug a charger into each side to double up the charging speed.
Isn't that more or less how they make Hummers, asides from both charging ports being side-by-side?
Wow!! Go ZeekR!! This is awesome news. Thanks for sharing this Sam. I love what your doing keep it up!
The average age of a light vehicle registered in the USA is 12.5 years, according to S&P Global Mobility in May 2023. So, that's how long we can expect every new ICE vehicle bought instead of an EV today to stick around. The sooner we can develop batteries that alleviate challenges of range anxiety, charging rate and combustibility, the more auto buyers will feel confident in transitioning to an EV over an ICEV - and the more effectively we can facilitate cutting CO2 and other pollutants from the transportation sector. Let's hope that this technology and its benefits truly pan out.
Mind blown , if true, "end of ICE with one throw of the dice" .
Crazy how far Geely have come....they used to be a company that made mopeds
500kw+ charging is the future and will make range anxiety a memory. Cars are one thing and have battery management systems for safety and if they do go up in flames nothing else is affected (if its parked outside) but electric scooters that are safe and that can be taken on trains again without the insurance costs exploding would make personal mobility so easy for anyone within a couple of miles of a train station that cars would be needed a lot less. I hope Geely gets these batteries into scooters and all the dangerous ones are recalled so those without a car can benefit too.
Been waiting for zeekr for years. Best I seen that appeals to my taste. So far
I am very much onside with EV's et al. Love the tech (I am a retired mainframe computer engineer with 49 years in the industry).
So, having said that I see two problems.
1: the minus 45 degree then into a 100 degree fire test. How long was the battery in the fire? After two days at minus 45 degrees, I would imagine thermal intertia would enable the battery pack to survive in a 1000 degree fire for a while.
2: When will ANCAP start testing EV's and battery packs? I would like to see how and EV battery would survive (or, more impportantly, not self destruct) after a head on at 60+ k's into a solid concrete block.
My prediction still stands. Three new types of batteries per year for the next decade. All researchers are on notice, you don't get years anymore to get to production, you have months before something better is out. The big question for anyone investing in lithium is how many more years will it be that batteries still use lithium? That is not known but I'm thinking 10 years from now almost no lithium will be used in batteries.
I might bet on sodium.
@@bozo5632 That would be the cheapest and most available material to use. Even if other batteries worked better sodium batteries might be used in less expensive vehicles.
Unfortunately, sodium is more than three times as heavy as lithium. That doesn't translate into a battery that's three times as heavy, but there is a significant weight increase for sodium batteries.
@jeffreyquinn3820
But lithium batteries could theoretically reach the energy density of gasoline, sodium should also reach very high numbers eventually yes?
@@Apjooz Or something new we don't even know about yet is better than both. It's not normal for products to be secret until they are introduced by some companies may still do that.
Hi Sam, there are 18.4 million vehicles on Australian roads. We typically sell 1 million new cars a year - sounds very much to me, like we'll have ICE vehicles in varying degrees for at least another 18 years! Ooops.
Take what you hear with a grain of salt. Zeekr battery charging curve is typically characterized with a high peak for a very short duration, and followed by a very steep drop. I think that Zeekr designs the charging system this way for marketing purpose. By the end of the day, it is the amount of time you spend at charging stations that matters, not the peak charging power.
It's all over the news. Mainstream and otherwise.
Fact-check my claim for yourself, please...
I could be wrong...😊
He mentioned that the Battery was kept at -45 degrees Celsius for two days. Following this, it was placed in a fire, although he did not specify the exact time it remained there. It's likely that it was only in the fire for a brief period, just enough to allow it to reach a warmer temperature again.
Internet search tells me that Chinese standard is 130 sec in 700C fire. This battery lasted 240 sec and survived. Not sure if that is the actual end limit or just where they ended the test.
amazing tech for a greener planet
Sounds too good to be true and you know what they say about that.
bring the Zeekr here to Oz, I will definitely seriously consider it for my next car.
The future is Bright 🌞😎🎉
Cheers mate
What material was the battery container made from to withstand 1000C???
If you listen again he says they held it at -45 degrees Celsius for two days Then they put it in the fire but he doesn't say how long it was in the Fire for i'm guessing just seconds Long enough for it to warm back up again
Internet search told @TJPavey that Chinese standard is 130 sec in 700C fire. This battery lasted 240 sec and survived. Not sure if that is the actual end limit or just where they ended the test.
@@adus123 Are you assuming that they are cheats?
No way can the battery withstand 1000°C. It was a publicity stunt to immerse the battery pack in 1000° fire bath for a period of time, that time certainly not being long enough to bring the interior of the battery structure up to 1000° C. Just in case I’m wrong, this would be sort of a miracle !!
It doesn’t. It looks like other people are saying that is a timed immersion in a fire bath. Not sustained, for a couple of minutes I suppose.
But seriously, lithium in elementary form has a melting point of 180°C. Chargeable in -10°C tho is impressive and useful! Less or practically no wasted energy on keeping the battery warm, good!
The charging rate is rated 500 KW then at a home voltage of 240 vac that would take over 200 A to charge at that rate. Most modern homes in USA have a 240 vac, 200 A service which would take all the amperage available. Of course if you stepped up the 240 vac to 800 vac then that would reduce the amps to about 50 A to 60 A to get to 500 KW charge rate.
Worth remembering too that all the ICE Lambo supercars getting beaten by Teslas don't actually have the same range as your frugal ICE car. They are about 300-400 miles.
Electric cars are the future, just a matter of how quickly
Technology is one thing. Even it is superior in technical asepct, there is something call the econsystem. If there is no econsystem, than it cant take off. We shall see How Geely and CATl build the eco system around this tech.
Love to hear a CATL take on this news if it’s all true. I have doubts.
I'll believe it when I see them on the road.
Here is interesting new Sam should comment on “on Monday in Oslo, Norway about 50 city buses were cancelled and taken out of service. The bus company Ruter reported that the range of the electric buses was not as good as usual because of the cold weather”.
Oh, that's bad, just researched that these electric buses from Solaris are just 8 months old.
@@cheekhenliew7628Sounds like someone at the bus company didn't do their homework.
I live in the Canadian prairies. Close to 20% of peak-time diesel bus routes are cancelled in the coldest weather because the bus either breaks down or can't be started. No vehicle runs well below minus 30 Celsius.
Did I miss the Wh per KG battery density spec? Sounds great, but without a density rating it's tough to get excited.
25% denser than current LFP batteries
No there where no
Reportedly 200-240 Wh/kg
@@downix For comparison, Tesla's new 4680 cells have an energy density of 272-296 Wh/kg.
@@LaBamba690 but are using NCM chemistry, which degrades faster and can pose a fire risk if the temperature is not carefully managed, unlike LFP batteries.
This is ***GAME CHANGING***!
Great stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it
The problem now moves to the charging infrastructure. Home charging is not a problem. But motorway charging and charging away from flats/apartment blocks is a few years away. It will happen. Extremely positive improvement. 300Kw needs a local substation
Ah. This is EV land. 300kwh. is nothing. It just appears magically out of thin air. A couple more solar panels on the roof... that should do it!
I believe it's "game over" for the electric car. No matter how good the car or the battery is there isn't enough infrastructure and what you buy today is worthless in one to two years because of the so-called technological advances. Imagine a charging station being able to cope simultaneously with 10 vehicles charging and those vehicles being filled to at least 80% capacity in minutes? You can't imagine this scenario. No matter how many wind turbines or solar panels are "planted", those means will never cope with cities, industries and thousands upon thousands of electric vehicles wanting power.
Cities in the north of the United States and Canada can already withstand the vast majority of cars having plug-in block heaters. Yes, that's only the equivalent of granny-cord charging, but realistically, most home-charging only needs granny-cord speed.
What about charge cycles? I rather have a battery that lasts a long time than charging faster..
LFP is amazing for charge cycles and retention of capacity. If this is equivalent to other LFP you shouldn’t worry. 1000 cycles without much loss. Figure in the bigger capacity (meaning fewer cycles) and the pack should outlast the car.
@@TJPavey I just googled and it says LFP has 3000 to 10000 cycles
@@Arkane11710000 is what I meant to type. Missed a zero. Yeah. LFP cells are pretty awesome.
AWESOME!
With this new safer battery technology we will have a much clearer environment.
Hope they can share this newer safer batteries technology to the world ?
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2 new coal power plants every week are probably going to offset some of that.
Amazing
Wow! Exciting times!!
Great videos Sam. But I can't bring myself to believe the 1000⁰c claim. The battery would have to have no copper connectors/ cables, aluminium, zinc, plastics, sealants, etc. Most substances are degraded at 1000⁰c There's a typo somewhere.
2024 is likely to see massive improvements in lithium ion battery technologies, largely driven by BEV OEMs like Geely, BYD, and Tesla.
Also they showed a demonstration on making the batteries but I can't remember where I seen this but it was a few months back.
Capacitors charge like that but you will need a really big capacitor battery bank connected to the grid charging all of the time then when a car is connected it can dump a extremely large amount of current to the car to recharge it. A capacitor will dump 90% of its charge in the first second and another 90% of what’s left in the next second and it chargers the same way that’s why they are used to take the ripples out of ac voltage to make it DC they will also use a coil of wire because it tries to stop the voltage drop and the capacitor will add current to keep the voltage up and if you put a big capacitor on each side of the coil it will take a pulsing voltage and smooth it out and make it a steady DC voltage. I realize that since IC’s came out people don’t seem to know anything about basics electronics anymore but till the 1970’s it was a big deal we even made vibrators to change DC back into AC to use with tubes and people use to make there own tubes using wire and screen wire and sealed them in old cigar tubes along with making there own capacitor’s we made some really big ones with things like a bottle filled with mercury sitting on a metal plate and things like a diode made from a rusty old razor blade with a wire attached to it. But now days everything is digital so we don’t make thing anymore. It cracks me up watching stuff these days like how complicated things like making tea are these days requiring so much equipment to do you dump tea leaves in water and let it soak for a while then take it out now if you use hot water it will get bitter after a couple of minutes it doesn’t do that in cold water and you don’t need to set it in the sun either anything over a couple of hours or even a day is ok then you can take out the tea bag or strainer or pore it through a screen coffee is the same and it never gets bitter if you don’t try to rush it by getting it hotter I’m assuming the same thing goes for batteries trying to heat everything up to hot causes problems. I just was watching one of the engineers from Tesla and he was talking bout there batteries keeping them on a charger and there’s cut the power when they start heating up because the batteries start to crystallize above 70 degrees so they have to cut the power before they get hot if it crystallizes all the way to the other plate it shorts out and has a runaway
That's pretty cool. I wonder what they did . I mean about the only thing that will kill my lfp that run my house is charging them below freezing. And they figured out a way that not only does it not destroy the battery but makes it charge faster.
haha great show. it's over for ICE. done. i agree with you.
I've heard rumblings about this, but I don't follow it as closely as some of you who listen here. I was going maybe until the very end, and then I realized somebody's being overenthusiastic at least in one area.
If the battery is 100 kilowatt hours they're testing, that determines the range. Period. It doesn't determine the speed of charge, the temperature envelope, etc but once you have the electricity in there, that quantity is going to determine how far the vehicle can go.
Which is going to be highly vehicle and application dependent. Streamlining and the speeds most of the driving will be done at make a huge difference. So does weight. The efficiency of the electric motors makes a difference, but I haven't heard of anything groundbreaking on that. So I don't see how you are going to get 800+ kilometer range with a 100kW battery.
Hi Sam, we have a few, very few, 400kW chargers in Spain. I always thought it was too much for current EV's. However, from now on they may have a competitive advantage.
The large majority of EV users mostly charge their batteries at home, ( an expensive but important conveince) and already paid a heavy price for a required charger upgrade. In most weatern nations the grid, already burdoned by non steady state wind and solar, simply cannot handle a substainal large percentage of EV cars. (Simple fact) Imagine 50 percent of the homes in your neighborhood pluging in 100 KW batteries. There are other large issues with the resources required to substain such a wholesale tranformation. Hybrids like the Rav 4 prime that require zero upgrade to home elect, pull about 12 amps, are a very practical alternative.
If the transition allowed 3rd and 4th generation nuclear then this could happen. Until then what cant happen, wont.
I get your point but that is not a situation likely to happen as it is not either going every diesel or gasoline vehicles to refill their tanks at the same time. In my country there are over 33millions of combustion vehicles and around 12.800 gas stations. This means, considering your same approach of the sizing of current electrical network, that there should be over 2.500 cars waiting for refueling in every gas station. Is this happening? Check it in your country, in mine is not because we don't go at the same time. Same for electrics.
@@anderd333I have to disagree with you there. Charging from home is probably the cheapest option anywhere in the world, more so if you have your own solar panels.
Also the grid is capable of supplying much more power for charging already. The grid supplies its maximum in the evening and after that peak, the operators start switching off generation capacity until a minimum requirement is reached. Simply keep the generators running overnight to provide all the charging required.
In the UK the average car does about 22 miles a day. This means 2 hours charging at 3 kw already easily covered by existing generation capacity.
Just because an ev has a massive range and charging capacity it will still be doing average journeys and will be charged accordingly. If I am in bed for 8 hours I don't care if the car is charged in 10 mins or 8 hours. If I am on the road I would prefer 10 mins
If 100 percent of my neighbours were charging, the neighbourhood would still be charging on average for 22 miles per car per day. The tech to handle this is already built in to chargers
If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. It is highly improbable that one battery manufacturer would make such a gigantic leap in front of everybody else, even more so without multiple hype-busting caveats.
As for the future or ICEs, there will always be a market for things that aren't entirely dependent on grid power no matter how much more batteries may improve. Large-scale power outages are a thing and fuel is far more convenient to shuttle around than batteries when they happen.
Much as I hate to agree with you ... I agree with you.
On the one hand, it IS Geely-Volvo. On the other hand, love Sam's channel dearly as I do he does tend to get overenthusiastic (just a tad! 😂 ). HOW real is this "breakthrough"? Where did the data he is using come from? Can it be trusted? How did they get ahead of Elon (that one's simple, he's busy playing god on "X" and hobnobbing with the worst examples of the human species - so he wasn't paying attention).
PLUS, these are in China ... how many decades before the US Congress (which is pretty much OWNED by the deep-pocketed criminals in the Auto Dealers Association) will let them into the US (so our mindless sycophants in Ottawa will allow us to buy them)?
You have to know that it's a Chinese company. Do you know how many amazing technology breakthroughs Chinese companies announce each year that later turn out to be duds? That's how they get the government to subsidise them.
@@mikethespike7579 Yes, I've heard quite a bit about China's infamous "tofu dregs" projects - millions/billions of dollars sunk in projects that either fail spectacularly or don't even get to delivery. Tesla's FSD feels a bit like that, closing in on 10 years of promising FSD next year. SpaceX is doing a lot of that over-promising, over-budget under-delivering too.
This looks like an interesting development, but I don't share your confident that ICE is dead. Not while the battery tech doesn't meets the needs of all mobile applications. And there could still be competing ICE/alternate fuel technology improvements that could outrun the battery technology. Examples include solid state hydrogen, synthetic fuels and ammonia.
you’re wishful thinking will not age well. I promise you, the hydrogen is not going to save you. There is too much bullshit out there in the main stream media field trying to sell people on the idea of miracle improvement in internal combustion engine technology. Big oil and other interests promote it, such as auto unions. Way more labor and ice cars…
Now that explains why GM and Ford had literally given up their EV production business recently.
Frankly, they don’t know what to do. These big legacy companies are a collection of Second rate college graduates At the management level. They are not engineers and scientists, they are business majors with the useless MBA degree. They have no chance against any company that focuses on science and engineering and that means they are doomed agsinst Tesla and China
Sometimes marketing hype leaves out important details.
The problem is that any EV battery should be capable of being frozen, then put into a 1000°C fire without catching fire if the it's only a short time in the fire.
That's what I thought. If they put it in the fire for 48 hours then fair play. If it went in for 15 mins it basically just defrosted it.
the problem isn’t using a frozen battery to discharge…its the charging….LFP chemistry still needs the cells to be above 0°C before they can be charged…that means heating the batteries by other means, the crutch in northern climates. Kills efficiency, using energy to make heat, before you can charge the cells
Can ice cars pass this test?
@@kittyhawk9886People are not worrying about their internal combustion cars combusting on their own. Apart from some bad models, there is decades of history and use covering not just road transport, but marine and air also.
Submarine design is rarely incorporating lithium batteries due to safety concerns. The potential danger that these large battery packs are to the general public is under rated.
I want to see this first. Physics does not change over night....
I believe electronic / battery will progress much faster than we expect. However, there is no way that current electricity grid can handle such kind of current. Once can when charging its battery, it can use nearly 100 home's average electricity. Imagine if tomorrow we all swapped our ICE to EV, then no body will be able to drive his/ her car at all! the grid simply run out of capacity. For Australia, unless the country has upgrade its electricity supply system with many times more capacity than what we have today, the EV future is very limited.
Where I live Tesla has had a message pop up on their cars before asking people not to charge because the grid
This is crazy, I find the technology for battery's is changing every day. If this is true everything else is obsolete.
This is not about cells, it is about the case. And -45 is not a problem unless you are charging it frozen. So, warming it with fire is actually not that crazy.
And of course the cell temperature was not 1000C, likely not more than 100C. And the outer case was probably not much more than 100C but the surface was max 200C.
Also the insulation likely is maylar that quite temperature resilient.
Still it looks like the very tech and the marketing too ))
Shots fired CATL , Tesla, time to counter. So nice to see companies pushing themselves and others. And we all benefit.
We see no signs of Chinese auto’s in Canada. I’d buy a Zeekr in a heartbeat.
The ominous THEY! OMG
1000 °C, What is this made from?
Polyimide / Kapton is good to 400°C
Soft solder typically has a melting point range of 90 to 450 °C
Aluminum is usually good to 650°C depending on the alloy
Graphene maybe
@@wedmunds Perhaps they're from the same team that makes the 9900 mAh 18650 cells on eBay.
@@stevengpreston I don't think those batteries are even in the same ball park
How many cycles? Hadn't heard that part. Thanks
LFP is good for 3500 charging cycles before dropping to 80% capacity or 10 years everyday use, but these LFP's may be much more.
how long was it in the fire? Was it allowed to warm back up before putting in the fire?
Battery is the heart of EVs. Hopefully Tesla is aware of this.
Will there be enough copper for electric cars and other equipments of the energy transition?
Game Changer. Shame the west does not have this yet. This would overcome the phycological barrier to EVs on mass.
300km of range in 3 minutes is much closer to gasoline tank fill and range.
When the charging current is too high, cooling may become a bottleneck. Therefore the colder the higher the performance, maybe.
It sounds great, do we know if they are resistant to punctures as well? Like in a car crash.
You can puncture any LFP battery and it wont do nothing much.NMC batteries are the ones that go full fireworks when punctured.
If the crash causes temperature below 1000° c, There's no problem.
@@afunguynamedkawhi7959 below a 1000C !!!!! The only safe place for that temperature is in a reactor.
They give off a gas. If it enters the cabin you could still suffocate. Theres a video on RUclips somewhere of someones home LiFePo battery venting.
Evening mate