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theres sodium everywhere and iron everywhere on planet so eventually it will probably be some kind of sodium or iron battery that dominates but not necessarily in this phase
Seems everybody with a working brain realises the EVs are a load of rubbish and the sales have fallen due to a total lack of people wanting them... but there are those slow fools who still push the bandwagon.
Thanks for the info Sam. We have some smart people in Australia. Most give them no credit and have no idea what is going on with Technology and Innovation, just drift along mocking and knocking anything new until it has mainstream acceptance.
I’m in Australia. We are good at research but poor at local manufacturing. No one is willing to invest. So all our good ideas are taken elsewhere to be manufactured. The best example is the high quality solar panels developed at UNSW in Sydney. A Chinese PhD student was allowed to take the technology to China where the panels are now manufactured. Politicians and business people fail us over and over again. Sad.
According to Toney Sega [ world renowned futurist , economist etc] , the issue with bringing a new battery to the market , is that it takes around 9 years from concept to retail use . and that Lithium batteries have an average price drop of 16% per annum from there original development , and an average increase of energy density of 4% a year since there original development . So whatever you invent and develop today has to be better and cheaper than a lithium battery in 9 years time.
He's right about brand new inventions and technologies. However, batteries are not a new technology. And the markets well established. This invention might very well contribute to the average 4% improvement of battery technologies.
You're right!... Prototyping is easy. Manufacturing at a competitive cost is hard. According to estimates, just 5% of inventions progressed to the manufacturing stage.
Most of them disappear completely within that 5 years. But a few, just one or two,make it through and move things on. We already have batteries which were beyond my wildest dreams a decade or two ago, so I'm happy to run with them, until the game is truly changed.
@@nickwinn7812 Only one has to make it to the market. Thats the silicon valley model. Fund 1 billion into 100 tech innovations in hopes that one of them will make 10 billion profit with a net income of 9 billion.
The game has dramatically changed - battery life, safety, charge speed and power density have all improved significantly over the past decade- there will be a similar improvement over the next 10 years - a definite contrast to what happened with ICE cars over the last 50 years 😂
@@Car-crazy remember that what is happening today is a result of years of research. So if the pace picks up, the i believe the next 10years will be exciting. Last, right now there is an influx of new battery tech in research. Break through is imminent.
@@Car-crazyClock time is not everything. EVs have jumbo sized the battery market, and that is driving investments in research and engineering. Now what is true, is there are a lot of people trying to get attention, and most "breakthroughs" will never get to market, or will never be important, but there have been advances, and I don't think we are done yet. For one, not all use cases value the same properties equally. Aircraft need high energy density, cars want pretty good energy density and pretty good price and pretty good C-rate. Grid storage wants high cycle life, and low cost. Longer term storage wiuld need to be very cheap and low self discharge rate. Tiny batteries used to power turbo's on gas cars need high C-rate and good cycle life. A new battery only needs to be better in one of those use cases to be viable. It doesn't have to take over the whole market.
Even with this improvement the equivalent amount of diesel (for the weight) still has about three times as much energy. With diesel you can at least burn off the weight.
If................ If it is even as energy dense as claimed, if it has at least equal cycling properties to existing chemistries, If it will charge/discharge over a reasonable temperature range, if someone even takes it out of the lab and into production. If.................... such a small word eh?
@@mbak7801 Actually, the metric system is highly versatile and supports divisibility by 3 more effectively than you might think. While a single meter can't be evenly divided by 3 in whole numbers, the beauty of the metric system is that it introduces smaller units that make such divisions precise and simple. For example: 1 meter = 1000 millimeters. Divide that by 3, and you get exactly 333.333... millimeters. Because metric units scale by powers of 10, you can always express fractional divisions cleanly using decimals. Compare that to, say, the imperial system, where dividing a yard (36 inches) by 3 gives you 12 inches, which is nice-until you need smaller fractions. Dividing those inches further can result in awkward fractions like 3 3/8. If the goal is precision and simplicity, the metric system wins. It might not make 1 meter perfectly divisible by 3, but it lets you achieve the same thing more practically across its units. No system is perfect, but the metric system was clearly designed with flexibility in mind.
Ive heard a ton of hype about all these different chemistries, such as lithium sulphur and also aluminium, but the main issues that need addressing are longevity and charge cycles, etc. Will still be some way away before these come to the market, but hopefully more R&D that goes into this will being these products to the market quicker.
Just wondering if you understand the restrictions for energy transfer using electricity. It is great to have high capacity batteries, however it is the restriction, of the electricity grid, which stops them from being quickly recharged.
You're probably correct. My daughter lives in Los Angeles and does not have a driveway nor garage. She would have to go to power stations which is inconvenient. Maybe once the battery range improves EVs might become an option for her.
Once super fast charging becomes ubiquitous, they will only need 200 to 300 miles range at the absolute max, so basically it means they will simply put these smaller lighter batteries into EVs to make them more efficient. This will also improve EV vehicle performance.
Many internal combustion engine (ICE) cars offer a range of around 300 km on a full tank, which is comparable to the expected range of many electric vehicles (EVs) once super-fast charging becomes ubiquitous.
Any further update on the Graphene Aluminium batteries that QLD UNIVERSITY and GMC were testing and making into button cell style rechargeable batteries.
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At the 7:09 mark he mentions cobalt in LiFePo batteries. Are there LiFePo battery technologies with cobalt? I thought the main promise/merit of LiFePo was that it was a bypass to such cobalt requirements.
Lithium-ion batteries will be dominant for mobile applications, for stationary power storage natrium-ion batteries would be very reasonable option, once they hit the market.
Part of the takeoff power issue with electric aircraft could be solved with a runway that has a mechanism to accelerate the plane like they do on aircraft carriers. Added excitement for passengers too!
@@emceeboogieboots1608 It's fine to have a battery that can charge at extremely high speeds. Great, even. But the infrastructure has to be there to support not only your vehicle charging at that speed but multiple vehicles at a time, all day. There isn't the electricity grid structure to do that. And without going nuclear, where are you going to get the power - renewables? How are you going to store that energy and get it from the power creation point to the power consuming point (your vehicle being charged)? There's an incredible amount of infrastructure questions that a) have to be answered and b) have to be paid for and built for large scale adoption of electrical vehicles to be broadly feasible. And then you go off the main routes, not even into the back of beyond...
@@damianwright3690 You speak like every car is going to be electric. And as far as infrastructure goes, we waste a truckload of power that is generated as it is. I myself am wasting often over 5kW of power generation capacity, not at home, 10kW system with a max of 1.5kW export. A smart grid will allow the wasted generation capacity to use pricing mechanisms to encourage those without solar to access this power when it is cheap, and use the full capacity of generation potential. Not every car on holiday is going to drive through Ballarat at the same time. People will already drive well out of their way to save 10c per litre. If they can charge their car for half price between 9 and 4 pm, many will make that happen. And most will charge at home if possible, using their own solar, or cheaper night time tariffs using smart chargers. And if manufacturers and network operators allow VTG, those with full batteries will be able to get good returns for exporting some power when they may not need it We need to think of those 10's of thousands of batteries as part of the infrastructure too
Electric car battery’s were slow burning even in the early days it might be the hybrids that still have the issue because of the explosive nature of petrol , I know BYD fixed a problem with their steering leakage that used to cause fire most these problems have been resolved , the average petrol vehicle is likely to more likely to explode if the outside gets near 40 degrees
I live in the southwest U.S. and although distances can be 500 miles between destinations like Australia,many towns lack recharge facilities between point A and point B. I would like a car with 1000 mile range so i do not have to plan my trip by where there are recharge stations. Gas stations are all over the place.
There’s always a new battery breakthrough that will never see production, but I’m hoping slowly we will see a 2x gain in energy density (or better!). Realistically nobody needs more than 400-500mi of range, so anything beyond that just means you need less battery and hence less cost.
This is great news. However doing things under the scope of research is one thing. The bigger question to ask is, can they the Australians put this in production and more importantly make this available to products at prices that consumers can actually afford to pay?
We have been seen these technology jumps many times . Very few if any have been brought to market . Battery scientists and climate scientists seem to come from the same school .
Don't blame the scientists, blame the "journalists" who constantly exaggerate lab results into "game changing" BS which is "just around the corner". Fortunately battery tech is making good progress, and it is likely that we will see affordable batteries of double the energy density we have today, at an affordable price within the next ten years or so. In the meantime we have batteries available today which meet 90% of peoples needs 90% of the time.
I think the 1000 mile range is the way to go. Family of 4 cant all charge every day at home. Not enough amps available in the panel. If each car had it's own charge day a typical home panel would do.
Leased standardised battery packs that can be quickly swapped out by a machine might be a way to go if the energy density gets high enough to make them more compact. Would also solve the problem of the car being worthless when the battery loses capacity.
sodium is my battery . if they give it the research lithiums had should progress. aluminium iron seems to be there . i quite liked the nuclear battery idea that seems to have gone silent. probably all get caught out with the potatoe sulphate battery
I would like to see the failure rates of the development batteries and their comparison with liph if you want to comment to people don't tell us show us what's better
Tesla has no monopoly. There's nothing stopping another company from competing. It's simply that Tesla is a smarter, faster and better run company than most others.
Northvolt is the victim of market forces, €350 million revenue but €5 billion of debt. Battery tech is not currently fit for purpose in terms of cost per energy delivey and consumers are seeing through the claims. Hydrogen FCEV engines will overtake the battery EV in the near future.
I am quite skeptical about fast charging and the new sulphur battery even if it become possible. 1. Australia has an Electrical power supply that hasn’t progressed very much from when Nikola Tesla invented it. If a few 0.6MW charges were turn on at once the whole grid would collapse. That is how bad it is here. 2. I have in the past 40 years heard of so many new battery technology say they are going to revolutionize the world and never see the light of day. Universities need to sell their ideas to get research funding, companies need to sell their research to get investors. They all have the motivation the spruik their research.
Game changer alert #3754! Game changing is expected imminently! Maybe next year (or the year after, or maybe in a decade or so, if they progress from the lab to the manufacturing line).
Well hopefully they won't burn. Especially ially now that we are stopping burning the sulphur in coal and oil that we have been burning for the last 200 uears
So if you believe sulphur is bad, just like cobalt, why the hell would you put it in a battery that may suffer thermal runaway and produce a toxic cloud so poisonous just one breath will kill you?
Double Trouble It should be plainly obvious that the problem with LIon batteries is that they are TOO energy dense. And yeah, lets throw a bit of sulphur into the mix. Burning sulphur never hurt anyone right.
Thanks. It makes zero sense to talk aout AI predicting technology though - all AI (really just LLMs) do is summarise existing research on the Internet. It has no real ability to assess which is most likely to bear fruit
I think I’m right in saying that a solar panel is roughly 24 too 30 % efficient due to resistance so makes one wonder why this has not been looked into more , lots of innovations in regards to make the batteries more efficient be it’s mix of materials used the list is endless , so one wonders why the solar panel has not really changed in years from an efficiency standpoint point , has anyone looked at let’s say would smaller solar panels be more efficient than larger ones , would a vibration censor added to the solar panel help with efficiency so the vibration of the rain hitting the panels generate or help with efficiency along with the sun help overall with efficiency, would a small fan at the back of the panels help to pick up some energy from the wind help with efficiency, it’s more or less the same panel that only picks up from one source yet other elements around the panel which are on hand each day are somewhat not thought of , maybe it’s a rubbish idea that’s why others haven’t thought of it , like creating another element to the periodic table , if it was possible to create another element I would call it surprise = the element of surprise.
Regarding cars it's wh/l that's the important figure. Lithium sulfur are 5 times lighter. So, this is not big news. Where are you supposed to put 5 times the volume of batteries???
I don't know if the information was available at the time this video was made but again there was no mention of how this battery chemistry works in cold temperatures. If it loses 80% of its efficiency or charge at temperatures below freezing or would if these batteries would freeze and become severely damaged at subzero temperatures, this chemistry is a no-go for EVs in a sizeable portion of the world. I know you live in Australia, Sam, and probably never think about living in a colder climate but a sizeable percentage of the people in this world do so it's important to address the issue of temperature range and performance in cold climates in these reports.
@@nickwinn7812 If those battery can serve the "sizeable" 50% in the not cold climate, it is a major win for Australia. Why only talk about those in the cold? Can you present a shirt and say it's not going to work because a sizeable number of people are living in the cold and they'll freeze to death?
@@FrankiePo89 Who is talking about only those who live in a cold climate? I see you don't have a reasoned response to the original comment, only letting your emotions and irrational feeling, that those who live in cold climates (which you equate irrationally to the western hemisphere) somehow want to do you down, guide your thinking.
@@nickwinn7812 Op "this chemistry is a no-go for EVs in a sizeable portion of the world". I'm countering with there's still 4 billions living in the warmer area and it's a win for Australia if they can get it going. What part of it is emotional and irrational?
There were many wonder lab technology that made the current mass production Li batteries obsolete. But all of them were just newsworthy stories and never made it to the commercialization. Australia has its fare share of news too. Comparing to American super capacitor, and Toyota's water ICE, it seems Aussies try to earn fame with honest work.
You could also put a smaller and thus lighter battery into the car. That will be cheaper and give you more km per kwh. Besides that, a higher density battery will be much better in trucks.
I've been hearing about lithium sulfure batteries for ages Every time the company says it has solve the remaining problem then we hear nothing Let see if someone can mass produce it at a reasonable price.
The fact people actually take batteries in pickup trucks seriously like it’s gonna happen and people (especially men who actually need them for work) will be considering them an option, tells me it’s mostly women and men who might as well be women are behind this push!
I can’t drive more than 2 hours without taking a break, or about 140 miles. My legs get too restless and I need to stretch . For me, a 230-250 mile battery car is not a problem.
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Dude, here’s some perspective for you: 260 ÷ 1000 = 0.26 watts per gram of battery, 400 ÷ 1000 = 0.40 watts per gram of battery and 33333.333 ÷ 1000 = 33.333 watts per gram of hydrogen. No kind of battery is ever going to reach that level of energy density.
Have you calculated the cost of producing Green Hydrogen and compressing it sufficiently to use in vehicles? Then of course there's the problem off the specialised materials needed for storage and transport? Google it!
I really dont need or want a 1000 km battery. Lighter and cheaper yes. The problem with aeroplanes need for big start power will be solved with dual type battery or condensator/battery
Too much dreaming about what could be done with these batteries hypothetically, but too little information regarding the actual parameters of the mentioned "new" batteries.
As for using electricity for aircraft. Have you actually done the energy numbers? Well I have, as I know the energy required to propel an aircraft. Do you know the energy transfer rate required to recharge them on a turnaround? Bet you don’t know either of these answers. Well without going into details, I can tell you it is unfeasible within 20 years. Also unfeasible without massive base power availability, i.e. coal or nuclear fired power stations.
Petrol has over 13KWH/KG. That's 13,000WH. Jet fuel has 12KWH/KG or 12,000WH/KG, which is 30X more energy dense than this 400WH/KG battery. This is why electric planes won't work, yet.
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theres sodium everywhere and iron everywhere on planet so eventually it will probably be some kind of sodium or iron battery that dominates but not necessarily in this phase
Seems everybody with a working brain realises the EVs are a load of rubbish and the sales have fallen due to a total lack of people wanting them... but there are those slow fools who still push the bandwagon.
You're getting an echo from the room you're in. You need more fabric on the walls or a different mic
Thanks for the info Sam. We have some smart people in Australia. Most give them no credit and have no idea what is going on with Technology and Innovation, just drift along mocking and knocking anything new until it has mainstream acceptance.
thousands of smart physicists doing SFA... its a crime.
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Deakin university associate Li-s energy Ltd is far ahead of the Monash group. Energy density of more than 450Wh/kg. Currently used in trial UAV.
doesn't negate this report
I hope so because their share price collapsed from a few years ago. Nanotubes are hard.
Day by day, new battery tech is being made.
I’m in Australia. We are good at research but poor at local manufacturing. No one is willing to invest. So all our good ideas are taken elsewhere to be manufactured. The best example is the high quality solar panels developed at UNSW in Sydney. A Chinese PhD student was allowed to take the technology to China where the panels are now manufactured. Politicians and business people fail us over and over again. Sad.
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I imagine the energy density of vegemite is actually pretty high :)
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According to Toney Sega [ world renowned futurist , economist etc] , the issue with bringing a new battery to the market , is that it takes around 9 years from concept to retail use .
and that Lithium batteries have an average price drop of 16% per annum from there original development , and an average increase of energy density of 4% a year since there original development . So whatever you invent and develop today has to be better and cheaper than a lithium battery in 9 years time.
Well he's not much of futurist 😂..CATL need 6 months..
He's right about brand new inventions and technologies. However, batteries are not a new technology. And the markets well established. This invention might very well contribute to the average 4% improvement of battery technologies.
You're right!... Prototyping is easy. Manufacturing at a competitive cost is hard.
According to estimates, just 5% of inventions progressed to the manufacturing stage.
@@appl2597 Thankyou.
@appl2597 tell me about it .spend years building prototype off highway machinery.... 😂
I hope we can get these built in Oz. Could be a big advantage for Savic Motorcycles
Problem is that all of these game changer cells are always 5 years away.
Most of them disappear completely within that 5 years. But a few, just one or two,make it through and move things on. We already have batteries which were beyond my wildest dreams a decade or two ago, so I'm happy to run with them, until the game is truly changed.
@@nickwinn7812 Only one has to make it to the market. Thats the silicon valley model. Fund 1 billion into 100 tech innovations in hopes that one of them will make 10 billion profit with a net income of 9 billion.
And that my friend is when the game will be changed
The game has dramatically changed - battery life, safety, charge speed and power density have all improved significantly over the past decade- there will be a similar improvement over the next 10 years - a definite contrast to what happened with ICE cars over the last 50 years 😂
And yet sometimes something sticks
So much will happen within 10 years regarding battery tech. Very exciting!
I absolutely bet it will not. In the past 20 years battery tech has hardly improved. Physics and the chemical make up of batteries determine that.
@@Car-crazy remember that what is happening today is a result of years of research. So if the pace picks up, the i believe the next 10years will be exciting. Last, right now there is an influx of new battery tech in research. Break through is imminent.
@@Car-crazyClock time is not everything. EVs have jumbo sized the battery market, and that is driving investments in research and engineering. Now what is true, is there are a lot of people trying to get attention, and most "breakthroughs" will never get to market, or will never be important, but there have been advances, and I don't think we are done yet. For one, not all use cases value the same properties equally. Aircraft need high energy density, cars want pretty good energy density and pretty good price and pretty good C-rate. Grid storage wants high cycle life, and low cost. Longer term storage wiuld need to be very cheap and low self discharge rate. Tiny batteries used to power turbo's on gas cars need high C-rate and good cycle life. A new battery only needs to be better in one of those use cases to be viable. It doesn't have to take over the whole market.
True dat
@@Car-crazybs
Ever been near burning sulphur ? Needless to say I wouldn't want to be anywhere near one of these batteries if it caught on fire.
Even with this improvement the equivalent amount of diesel (for the weight) still has about three times as much energy. With diesel you can at least burn off the weight.
Wow. Astonishing energy density. If this could be rolled out quickly it would make an absolute fortune.
If................ If it is even as energy dense as claimed, if it has at least equal cycling properties to existing chemistries, If it will charge/discharge over a reasonable temperature range, if someone even takes it out of the lab and into production. If.................... such a small word eh?
@ correct
Jet fuel is over 30x more energy dense per Kg
@ But it’s not renewable
@@johnfrancis4401 neither are batteries, they need replacing. How long does your phone, laptop or cordless drill battery last, not long.
Sam, they havent made Jumbo Jets for decades.
Please use metric units :)
Watts are a metric unit. 1000WATTS= 1KILOWATT 1000KILOWATTS= 1MEGAWATT
No! Come back when a meter can be exactly divided by 3. What idiot would design a measurement system where you cannot divide by 3. Broken by design.
@@mbak7801 the metric system is divided/multipled by 10s. That is much better than 3 because it is a nice round number
@@mbak7801 Actually, the metric system is highly versatile and supports divisibility by 3 more effectively than you might think. While a single meter can't be evenly divided by 3 in whole numbers, the beauty of the metric system is that it introduces smaller units that make such divisions precise and simple. For example:
1 meter = 1000 millimeters. Divide that by 3, and you get exactly 333.333... millimeters.
Because metric units scale by powers of 10, you can always express fractional divisions cleanly using decimals.
Compare that to, say, the imperial system, where dividing a yard (36 inches) by 3 gives you 12 inches, which is nice-until you need smaller fractions. Dividing those inches further can result in awkward fractions like 3 3/8.
If the goal is precision and simplicity, the metric system wins. It might not make 1 meter perfectly divisible by 3, but it lets you achieve the same thing more practically across its units. No system is perfect, but the metric system was clearly designed with flexibility in mind.
@@mbak7801 Come back when you can divide your units by 5 and 10.
There is a reason Americans can't do Maths. Besides the obvious problem.
Ive heard a ton of hype about all these different chemistries, such as lithium sulphur and also aluminium, but the main issues that need addressing are longevity and charge cycles, etc. Will still be some way away before these come to the market, but hopefully more R&D that goes into this will being these products to the market quicker.
Fantastic new tech maybe. But. Who the hell makes those machines that make the batteries? I'd love to see a video on design and building of those.
Construction would be very similar and use the same machinery with some modifications made.
@@nzoomed It is the MACHINERY I was commenting about.
The University where Sam's sister went for several years,has potential.
Just wondering if you understand the restrictions for energy transfer using electricity. It is great to have high capacity batteries, however it is the restriction, of the electricity grid, which stops them from being quickly recharged.
You're probably correct. My daughter lives in Los Angeles and does not have a driveway nor garage. She would have to go to power stations which is inconvenient. Maybe once the battery range improves EVs might become an option for her.
Which Aircraft?
Once super fast charging becomes ubiquitous, they will only need 200 to 300 miles range at the absolute max, so basically it means they will simply put these smaller lighter batteries into EVs to make them more efficient. This will also improve EV vehicle performance.
Many internal combustion engine (ICE) cars offer a range of around 300 km on a full tank, which is comparable to the expected range of many electric vehicles (EVs) once super-fast charging becomes ubiquitous.
Sodium batteries will eventually dominate the market once super-fast charging becomes ubiquitousand EV range becomes less important.
500 IMO until ubiquity, then 400
Any further update on the Graphene Aluminium batteries that QLD UNIVERSITY and GMC were testing and making into button cell style rechargeable batteries.
US has a company called Lyten and are already in the race.
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At the 7:09 mark he mentions cobalt in LiFePo batteries. Are there LiFePo battery technologies with cobalt? I thought the main promise/merit of LiFePo was that it was a bypass to such cobalt requirements.
Lithium-ion batteries will be dominant for mobile applications, for stationary power storage natrium-ion batteries would be very reasonable option, once they hit the market.
Yeah. Great breakthrough. Are we able to scale up to industrial level?
Did some research and found that LFP batteries do not contain cobalt unlike Nickel base batteries.
Part of the takeoff power issue with electric aircraft could be solved with a runway that has a mechanism to accelerate the plane like they do on aircraft carriers. Added excitement for passengers too!
How many charge cycles compared to LFP?
"Put a smaller and lighter battery in there." Why would I want a multi-hour stop halfway between Melbourne and Sydney on a commute?
He mentioned Melbourne to Sydney on one charge. But with the faster charging he mentioned, a smaller and cheaper battery would be fine for most people
@@emceeboogieboots1608 It's fine to have a battery that can charge at extremely high speeds. Great, even. But the infrastructure has to be there to support not only your vehicle charging at that speed but multiple vehicles at a time, all day.
There isn't the electricity grid structure to do that. And without going nuclear, where are you going to get the power - renewables? How are you going to store that energy and get it from the power creation point to the power consuming point (your vehicle being charged)?
There's an incredible amount of infrastructure questions that a) have to be answered and b) have to be paid for and built for large scale adoption of electrical vehicles to be broadly feasible.
And then you go off the main routes, not even into the back of beyond...
@@damianwright3690 You speak like every car is going to be electric. And as far as infrastructure goes, we waste a truckload of power that is generated as it is. I myself am wasting often over 5kW of power generation capacity, not at home, 10kW system with a max of 1.5kW export. A smart grid will allow the wasted generation capacity to use pricing mechanisms to encourage those without solar to access this power when it is cheap, and use the full capacity of generation potential. Not every car on holiday is going to drive through Ballarat at the same time. People will already drive well out of their way to save 10c per litre. If they can charge their car for half price between 9 and 4 pm, many will make that happen. And most will charge at home if possible, using their own solar, or cheaper night time tariffs using smart chargers. And if manufacturers and network operators allow VTG, those with full batteries will be able to get good returns for exporting some power when they may not need it
We need to think of those 10's of thousands of batteries as part of the infrastructure too
Does that double the explosive power of one of the current batteries
Electric car battery’s were slow burning even in the early days it might be the hybrids that still have the issue because of the explosive nature of petrol , I know BYD fixed a problem with their steering leakage that used to cause fire most these problems have been resolved , the average petrol vehicle is likely to more likely to explode if the outside gets near 40 degrees
I live in the southwest U.S. and although distances can be 500 miles between destinations like Australia,many towns lack recharge facilities between point A and point B. I would like a car with 1000 mile range so i do not have to plan my trip by where there are recharge stations. Gas stations are all over the place.
It's taken over 100 years to have that kind of coverage, give it time and EV changing stations will be the same.
Did you mention who is mining sulpher?
There’s always a new battery breakthrough that will never see production, but I’m hoping slowly we will see a 2x gain in energy density (or better!). Realistically nobody needs more than 400-500mi of range, so anything beyond that just means you need less battery and hence less cost.
Aviation batteries are getting every closer on a commercial scale.
in other words are lithium polymer battery like the ones in RC drones, but with longer lifespan , interesting !
You stated that LFP batteries had cobalt in them I did not think that was the case?
Are the patents enforceable , or will the tech just be copied overseas
This is great news. However doing things under the scope of research is one thing. The bigger question to ask is, can they the Australians put this in production and more importantly make this available to products at prices that consumers can actually afford to pay?
The answer is most probably no. Super expensive labor and manufacturing costs here and hopeless government support. Hope to be proved wrong of course!
Yes you need more power density for trucks
We have been seen these technology jumps many times .
Very few if any have been brought to market .
Battery scientists and climate scientists seem to come from the same school .
Don't blame the scientists, blame the "journalists" who constantly exaggerate lab results into "game changing" BS which is "just around the corner".
Fortunately battery tech is making good progress, and it is likely that we will see affordable batteries of double the energy density we have today, at an affordable price within the next ten years or so.
In the meantime we have batteries available today which meet 90% of peoples needs 90% of the time.
can u imagine the car chases with a range of over 1000kms
Ha “ the university that my sister went to” never heard of that !!
I think the 1000 mile range is the way to go. Family of 4 cant all charge every day at home. Not enough amps available in the panel. If each car had it's own charge day a typical home panel would do.
We can't keep our Amps in a panel, they just pass right through!
Leased standardised battery packs that can be quickly swapped out by a machine might be a way to go if the energy density gets high enough to make them more compact. Would also solve the problem of the car being worthless when the battery loses capacity.
sodium is my battery . if they give it the research lithiums had should progress. aluminium iron seems to be there . i quite liked the nuclear battery idea that seems to have gone silent. probably all get caught out with the potatoe sulphate battery
Lyten is already producing Sodium-Sulfur batteries in the US and have handed them off for automotive testings.
More info on lifespan when discussing this kind of breakthrough, this level of power density is not new for lithium sulfur batteries.
Still at University level, way behind Catl then.
Sam read the whole article. Less than 200wh/kg. They say they might get to 400
Ah yes, but The Electric Viking would not have a channel without a large dose of hyperbole.
@nickwinn7812 not a lot of data on this channel I've noticed, just news articles
Viking...Could you do anything on Silver content in energy cells 😂
A new battery that will never come to market. They will work on presentation only
Today's breakthrough ;)
All you need is 400 miles / 634,000 meters of range.
It needs to recharge 0 to 100% in one hour.
Anything more that that is over kill.
Or maybee 20% - 80% in like 20 min on a normal charger!
Do they still blow up when damaged ?
Byd and catl test there batteries by puncturing them and if they don’t blow , there fine
I would like to see the failure rates of the development batteries and their comparison with liph if you want to comment to people don't tell us show us what's better
I want to see a sodium chloride battery. Should be less expensive and more powerful than most batteries.
Amazing,anything that can break the tesla manopoly
Tesla has no monopoly. There's nothing stopping another company from competing. It's simply that Tesla is a smarter, faster and better run company than most others.
What happened to Northvolt?!?!
Northvolt is the victim of market forces, €350 million revenue but €5 billion of debt. Battery tech is not currently fit for purpose in terms of cost per energy delivey and consumers are seeing through the claims. Hydrogen FCEV engines will overtake the battery EV in the near future.
Did it go south by any chance?
@@nickwinn7812 Chapter 7 bankruptcy last week (Thu 21st Nov)
Make video on new mahindra BE 6e and xev 9e 😊
I am quite skeptical about fast charging and the new sulphur battery even if it become possible.
1. Australia has an Electrical power supply that hasn’t progressed very much from when Nikola Tesla invented it. If a few 0.6MW charges were turn on at once the whole grid would collapse. That is how bad it is here.
2. I have in the past 40 years heard of so many new battery technology say they are going to revolutionize the world and never see the light of day. Universities need to sell their ideas to get research funding, companies need to sell their research to get investors. They all have the motivation the spruik their research.
Game changer alert #3754! Game changing is expected imminently! Maybe next year (or the year after, or maybe in a decade or so, if they progress from the lab to the manufacturing line).
Wow sulphur. When that battery burns it will be more effective than sarin.
Well hopefully they won't burn. Especially ially now that we are stopping burning the sulphur in coal and oil that we have been burning for the last 200 uears
So if you believe sulphur is bad, just like cobalt, why the hell would you put it in a battery that may suffer thermal runaway and produce a toxic cloud so poisonous just one breath will kill you?
I pray for the day, but I keep seeing promise but no product.
Its like watching carbon engines getting fuel injectors to oomph power, or adding ethonal to boost range
00:26 No they are not being used in Jumbo Jets. What is this nonsense. 🤡🤡🤡
They need to crack the longevity problem for them to be viable in cars.
By then Hydrogen fuel cell technology will be streets ahead and 1 ton batteries will be obsolete for mobility.
Not going to be the death of ice because most people cant afford the costs.
Double Trouble
It should be plainly obvious that the problem with LIon batteries is that they are TOO energy dense.
And yeah, lets throw a bit of sulphur into the mix. Burning sulphur never hurt anyone right.
Thanks. It makes zero sense to talk aout AI predicting technology though - all AI (really just LLMs) do is summarise existing research on the Internet. It has no real ability to assess which is most likely to bear fruit
I think I’m right in saying that a solar panel is roughly 24 too 30 % efficient due to resistance so makes one wonder why this has not been looked into more , lots of innovations in regards to make the batteries more efficient be it’s mix of materials used the list is endless , so one wonders why the solar panel has not really changed in years from an efficiency standpoint point , has anyone looked at let’s say would smaller solar panels be more efficient than larger ones , would a vibration censor added to the solar panel help with efficiency so the vibration of the rain hitting the panels generate or help with efficiency along with the sun help overall with efficiency, would a small fan at the back of the panels help to pick up some energy from the wind help with efficiency, it’s more or less the same panel that only picks up from one source yet other elements around the panel which are on hand each day are somewhat not thought of , maybe it’s a rubbish idea that’s why others haven’t thought of it , like creating another element to the periodic table , if it was possible to create another element I would call it surprise = the element of surprise.
Read the paper not the article
Regarding cars it's wh/l that's the important figure. Lithium sulfur are 5 times lighter. So, this is not big news.
Where are you supposed to put 5 times the volume of batteries???
I don't know if the information was available at the time this video was made but again there was no mention of how this battery chemistry works in cold temperatures. If it loses 80% of its efficiency or charge at temperatures below freezing or would if these batteries would freeze and become severely damaged at subzero temperatures, this chemistry is a no-go for EVs in a sizeable portion of the world. I know you live in Australia, Sam, and probably never think about living in a colder climate but a sizeable percentage of the people in this world do so it's important to address the issue of temperature range and performance in cold climates in these reports.
People living in the cooler climate vs the warmer is a 50:50 split.
Or do you think the western hemisphere is the whole world?
@@FrankiePo89 Well, he said "a sizeable portion of the world". I would say 50% is a sizeable portion. What's your rational counter to his comment?
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If those battery can serve the "sizeable" 50% in the not cold climate, it is a major win for Australia. Why only talk about those in the cold? Can you present a shirt and say it's not going to work because a sizeable number of people are living in the cold and they'll freeze to death?
@@FrankiePo89 Who is talking about only those who live in a cold climate? I see you don't have a reasoned response to the original comment, only letting your emotions and irrational feeling, that those who live in cold climates (which you equate irrationally to the western hemisphere) somehow want to do you down, guide your thinking.
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Op "this chemistry is a no-go for EVs in a sizeable portion of the world".
I'm countering with there's still 4 billions living in the warmer area and it's a win for Australia if they can get it going.
What part of it is emotional and irrational?
There were many wonder lab technology that made the current mass production Li batteries obsolete. But all of them were just newsworthy stories and never made it to the commercialization. Australia has its fare share of news too.
Comparing to American super capacitor, and Toyota's water ICE, it seems Aussies try to earn fame with honest work.
Researchers can researcher anything. The real question is: Australia have plants that manufacture batteries? Has plants that manufacture solar panels?
A lot of EV owners wouldn't see the need for such things as you'd never drive 600 miles straight without a break.😉
tell that to Australian drivers. I've gone 700+ with a 5 min loo break on more than one occasion
You could also put a smaller and thus lighter battery into the car. That will be cheaper and give you more km per kwh. Besides that, a higher density battery will be much better in trucks.
@@olepetersen3554 lighter==better acceleration and lower cost
People also drive drunk but they shouldn't.
@@Alantj22 Didn't say it was a good idea. Just that it's not universal that no-one does it. :P
I've been hearing about lithium sulfure batteries for ages
Every time the company says it has solve the remaining problem then we hear nothing
Let see if someone can mass produce it at a reasonable price.
The fact people actually take batteries in pickup trucks seriously like it’s gonna happen and people (especially men who actually need them for work) will be considering them an option, tells me it’s mostly women and men who might as well be women are behind this push!
has you make a call to agent thrump?????????
I can’t drive more than 2 hours without taking a break, or about 140 miles. My legs get too restless and I need to stretch . For me, a 230-250 mile battery car is not a problem.
First generation lithium sulphur batteries ran to hot to be safe .
Queensland solar power farms summary..
Summary of capacity
Status Capacity (MW)
Operating 1609.5
Under construction 1726.9
Approved 7904.3
Announced 2852
Total 14092.7
Maryborough announced to build battery plant funded by Australian and Queensland governments.
Hopefully they don’t sell the invention overseas
Dude, here’s some perspective for you: 260 ÷ 1000 = 0.26 watts per gram of battery, 400 ÷ 1000 = 0.40 watts per gram of battery and 33333.333 ÷ 1000 = 33.333 watts per gram of hydrogen. No kind of battery is ever going to reach that level of energy density.
Have you calculated the cost of producing Green Hydrogen and compressing it sufficiently to use in vehicles? Then of course there's the problem off the specialised materials needed for storage and transport? Google it!
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400 kms is enough range for 95 percent of people.
Why do you assume I know what C-rate means?
Charge rate come on get in the game
Clearly you're sponsored by Xpeng
Does Australia have any automobile company, or does he thinks byd is Aussie.
Only ten times less energy density than liquid fuel.
I really dont need or want a 1000 km battery. Lighter and cheaper yes. The problem with aeroplanes need for big start power will be solved with dual type battery or condensator/battery
Too much dreaming about what could be done with these batteries hypothetically, but too little information regarding the actual parameters of the mentioned "new" batteries.
Next up, batteries made with Vegemite...
The reality of this is quite different.
More random incinerations and massive toxic waste.
As for using electricity for aircraft. Have you actually done the energy numbers? Well I have, as I know the energy required to propel an aircraft. Do you know the energy transfer rate required to recharge them on a turnaround? Bet you don’t know either of these answers.
Well without going into details, I can tell you it is unfeasible within 20 years. Also unfeasible without massive base power availability, i.e. coal or nuclear fired power stations.
China is already manufacturing electric planes.
Cheaper and lighter is not as important as more power for heating and cooling. You are not familiar with the US market.
Petrol has over 13KWH/KG. That's 13,000WH. Jet fuel has 12KWH/KG or 12,000WH/KG, which is 30X more energy dense than this 400WH/KG battery. This is why electric planes won't work, yet.
It's not even worth discussing the possibility of electric planes at the current state of technology.