The Worlds Flattest Shooting Bullet

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • We've talked about the flattest shooting cartridge, but now it's time to find the world's flattest shooting bullet. Unlike cartridges, the bullet is actually the part that flys flat, or doesn't. So, it's time we figured this which is the flattest shooting bullet.
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    For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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  • @MLFreese
    @MLFreese Год назад +68

    This is literally the best channel on RUclips for cartridge specific info.

    • @Huckleberry_Hunter
      @Huckleberry_Hunter Год назад +1

      Check out the big game hunting blog and Alaskan Ballistics. They have great info also.

    • @ryleeestevez4633
      @ryleeestevez4633 Год назад +2

      I love this guy for experience content. I’m a facts guy but sometimes just listen to a dad who wants the best for you

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 Год назад

      ​@Rylee estevez no truer words

  • @gimpyRW
    @gimpyRW Год назад +5

    For lefty rifles my wife highly recommends the Tikka. They come in a variety of calibers and have a very smooth action and shoot at less then 1moa right out of the box.

  • @Snailz5
    @Snailz5 Год назад +2

    That’s why I like shooting copper. Tough construction allows for similar or better terminal performance with lighter faster bullets. The additional velocity typically wins out in most hunting situations.

  • @dankcincy
    @dankcincy Год назад +1

    Thank you for stretching the range out to be able to get an honest comparison.

  • @jacktrout5807
    @jacktrout5807 Год назад +1

    At long ranges bullet design is paramount. It's what the bullet does in the trans-sonic phase that determines accuracy beyond super-sonic speeds. One method is drive them really fast as to extend the supersonic phase. Another method is to design a projectile that remains stable through the trans- sonics phase.

  • @Paladin1873
    @Paladin1873 Год назад +3

    It's relatively easy to dial in bullet drop, but wind is often a WAG, so your point is well taken. One other factor is the penetration potential of the heavier projectile, but this only matters if you hit the target. At the ranges I shoot, any of these rounds will work, but I tend to favor the heaviest bullets thanks to decades of reading Elmer Keith.

  • @mr.skeptical3071
    @mr.skeptical3071 Год назад +2

    I'm a bow hunter and shoot very little with guns, but I absolutely love this channel!!!!

  • @Navigator-apex
    @Navigator-apex Год назад +12

    I guess if you are doing target shooting to crazy distances like 2Km then the high BC bullets are great.
    I use mine for hunting and never shot at anything further than 300m but mostly 100-250 metres.
    Great video by the way.

    • @Greyzonecompliant
      @Greyzonecompliant Год назад +2

      I agree. And i have not found a scope that can se through the trees.
      Nature sets the boundaries.
      But spray paint an old frying pan and place it 300+ meters away shoot it with the 22lr. That is my long range experience 👍
      And its the worst bc bullet i have.

    • @Navigator-apex
      @Navigator-apex Год назад

      @@Greyzonecompliant Once when I was at the range, sighting in my rifle for new cartridge I was convinced by a target shooter to try the gong at 500m. I did and after 6 bullets I hit it, but that is about it for long range.

  • @diggernash1
    @diggernash1 Год назад +1

    The older I get, the lighter I want my hunting rigs to be. Give me enough cartridge to do the job in a light package.

  • @mqeqeshe1
    @mqeqeshe1 Год назад +3

    Time of flight, or average velocity is all that matters when it comes to flat shooting. All bullets drop at the same rate so the one that hits the target first will be the one that drops least. Light bullets start out fast but slow down quickly. Long, sleek bullets start out a bit slower but maintain their speed better, giving them a better average velocity at long range. So to determine which bullet is shooting flattest you must know the distance involved.

    • @p39483
      @p39483 Год назад

      Velocity squared isn't a linear operation therefore the vertical and horizontal drag components do not vary independently with their respective component velocities. Greater horizontal velocities do aerodynamically damp drop velocity via drag. I don't want to write a vector drag equation here because people who read that are capable of writing it. The gist is that you can't factor velocity.x out of drag.y, and higher velocity.x results in higher drag.y

  • @tlloyd9325
    @tlloyd9325 Год назад +1

    I tend to the middle to light end of the scale with premium bullets. A coyote doesn’t matter much to me but a 150” whitetail buck does. Remember the CHEAPEST yet most IMPORTANT part of any hunt is the bullet you send down range. Make it a very good bullet! Personally I like Barnes.

  • @404nitro
    @404nitro Год назад +3

    Excellent as always Ron. One thing that I think is worth discussing when talking ballistics, and that is BC's and whether or not you are actually getting what the manu's claim. You can check that with a Lab Radar and a few of the other chrono's out now. Many will be surprised to find that the BC they think they are getting is not what they get in the real world. Too many variables to consider, not to mention variables that change with atmospheric conditions, elevation etc. IME bullets don't al change their BC's at the same rate due to conditions either, so what happens to one bullet doesn't necessarily translate over to the next fired on the same day etc.

  • @dalewells5880
    @dalewells5880 Год назад +1

    So within practical hunting ranges, a .257 Roberts with a 120 grain bullet or a .300 Win mag with a 150 grain bullet will kill a deer just as dead as a 6.5 creedmore with a super long, high BC bullet. Unless of course, you’re hunting in a wind storm.
    Very informative content, thank you sir.

  • @chrisaccashian4308
    @chrisaccashian4308 Год назад

    Ron, Thanks for all your videos and info on any and every cartridge out there. Your knowledge and advice is the gospel. Thanks again for all your shared wisdom.

  • @chrisp308
    @chrisp308 Год назад +3

    Space lasers designed to take out alien balloons will be next year's new hunting cartridge craze 🤣 we have become absolutely ridiculous...

  • @ryane6719
    @ryane6719 Год назад +1

    Wait till Ron finds out about the 9mm, it’ll blow the lungs out of any mammal.

  • @funkla65
    @funkla65 Год назад +1

    When I was a kid, rangefinders sucked. The Ranging 1000 was about the best portable RF available, and its accuracy diminished rapidly after a quarter mile. So, I got a .220 Swift.
    Different game nowadays.

  • @dmg4415
    @dmg4415 Год назад

    I have the recipe for the ultimate flat shooting round. A 6 feet barrel, a .50 BMG necked down to 6.5mm and a 200 grain boat tail solid bronze bullet.

  • @michaelrunnels7660
    @michaelrunnels7660 Год назад

    All bullets fall to the ground at 9.8 meters per second per second, whether they are not they are moving at all or going mach 5. A bullet fired from a level barrel at any speed on level ground will hit the ground at the precise instant that a bullet dropped from from the muzzle of the barrel by hand. That's assuming the bullet is dropped at the same instant that the other bullet is fired. If 2 bullets are fired at the same instant using the above scenario, the bullet with the faster muzzle velocity will always have a flatter trajectory.

  • @kennybrandow4994
    @kennybrandow4994 Год назад

    Wind deflection is a factor of mass . Length and density matters, dense and short will deflect less because of its minimal side profile.

  • @orr89rocz
    @orr89rocz Год назад

    Yup windage is more important than drop at long range. Wind calls are harder to make than a laser range finder. Plus, high bc will retain more velocity which helps in terminal performance. But if most of your hunting is below 500 yrds, it doesnt matter as much, shoot whatever is most accurate for you.

  • @TeensierPython
    @TeensierPython Год назад

    Love the thought experiment.
    It’s all about balancing out the characteristics you need to achieve the objective.

  • @Jeff_Seely
    @Jeff_Seely Год назад

    This is why I do not go out of my way to acquire a 190gr vld bullet. Because for it to benefit in bullet drop, my target must be beyond a mile and I don't have those distances available to me. These vld bullets are only beneficial for ELR enthusiasts. They really don't even give 90% of the shooters that I know many benefits in wind drift either. My go-to target bullets are decided by my groups at 400 yards max. This is really a great video Ron. You deserve ample credit for covering this topic. I hate seeing guys spending lots of money on products by making uninformed decisions. It happens a heck of a lot.

  • @judahlion5826
    @judahlion5826 Год назад

    Excellent video!

  • @CaptainCreampie69
    @CaptainCreampie69 Год назад +1

    Essentially at a mile (1760 yards) is when the heaviest is able to maintain a flatter trajectory. I am pretty sure most people who hunt ethically aren’t smacking elk that far. Now in a military setting or plinking steel it may be more applicable. I will stick to hog slapping at sub 100 yards with a 308, 6.5 creedmoor, 300 blackout supersonic and 223 monolithic bullets.

    • @Honkers716
      @Honkers716 Год назад

      Check out the 8.6 blackout for hogs

  • @wilrohan2985
    @wilrohan2985 Год назад +1

    I have noticed this with 6.5 Creedmoor and 130-grain Nosler RDF bullets. The high BC Nosler may not offer the wind deflection advantage of the 153-grain Hornady A-tip, but it is a flat shooter!

  • @Paul_305
    @Paul_305 Год назад

    Valuable for alpine and skittish plains game. I failed in africa with 140 frangible and wish i could take this video back to 22 years ago!

  • @Ohyeahcoolaid69
    @Ohyeahcoolaid69 Год назад

    Just seeing the intro leaves way for the 300 WM vs 300 prc if using new school ELR BT hybrids.

  • @dtheguy
    @dtheguy Год назад

    Hello Ron , it’s good to be back

  • @Clearanceman2
    @Clearanceman2 Год назад +159

    The president of the united states says the 5.56mm/.223 is five times faster than any other round in the world so that has to be the flattest shooting, right? LOL

    • @whiskeykilmer1866
      @whiskeykilmer1866 Год назад

      Hahaha, Dementia Joe lies just as much as the Orange-faced Buffoon.

    • @HarrisonCountyStudio
      @HarrisonCountyStudio Год назад +23

      Those people should be ashamed for abusing the elderly.

    • @theangrycanuck8331
      @theangrycanuck8331 Год назад +11

      I think I need a refund then, I don't seem to be getting this base level performance.

    • @igy648
      @igy648 Год назад

      The senile poopy pants in chief also said the 9 mm blows the lung right out of the body and advocates shooting criminals in the leg. 😒 Wtf

    • @iamnotpaulavery
      @iamnotpaulavery Год назад +23

      Na... I'll stick with the 9mm because the President says that bullet can literally *- literally blow both lungs completely out of the body!* That's the one to go with right there! LOL!

  • @Hollywood41642
    @Hollywood41642 Год назад +3

    55gr out of my 300 RUM.. 105grs of RL25.. 5,250 fps the bullets were machined out of Inconel 718. Good up to 1300 °F.

    • @lrac7751
      @lrac7751 Год назад

      But was it accurate?

    • @Liamisdead99
      @Liamisdead99 Год назад

      Bet that will go thru a 1/2 inch ar 500

    • @dundonrl
      @dundonrl Год назад +1

      I saw a guy who fired a 55 gr 22 cal out of a 30-378 Wby mag (sabot) not sure the velocity or accuracy but I'm sure it was absolutely SCREAMING!

    • @nt3523
      @nt3523 Год назад

      Gotta be a sabot.

    • @Hollywood41642
      @Hollywood41642 Год назад

      @@Liamisdead99 Don't kno ? the bullets where machined out of Inconel 718, Good up to 1300 °F ..

  • @jamesburnett7085
    @jamesburnett7085 Год назад

    So, if you are a professional sniper shooting military targets at combat distances, you that want that long bullet. But this was an eye-opener for me, as it applies to hunting situations. I can't even SEE a deer 1500 yards away!

  • @ricksshop
    @ricksshop Год назад

    I've found if you are setting up a rifle for MPBR, you need to pick a SPBT bullet that your rifle can drive above 3000 fps. For me, that's a .380 G1 bc at 3150 fps. Leave the high bc stuff for +400 yards.

  • @roccofortura2468
    @roccofortura2468 Год назад +2

    I wish I could spend one day with you...the questions you could answer

  • @johngoodwin2768
    @johngoodwin2768 Год назад

    Hi Ron, Love your presentations and tone, very soothing to listen to. I just wanted point out something that I am not sure of. I don't believe any of these rounds that you are using for your examples drop that much at 300 yards. Especially driving them at those speeds. My 308 with 155gr doing 2600 fps only drops 4.75" at 300 yards.

  • @toddpatik8834
    @toddpatik8834 Год назад

    As a kid I grew up in Wyoming and my dad used 30-06 for mule dear and 300win mag for elk and he said a 30 cal.bullit was the flatest shooting round, was he mistaken?

  • @adelarsen9776
    @adelarsen9776 Год назад +1

    6.5 Swede. Need I say more ?

  • @leeadams5941
    @leeadams5941 Год назад +2

    If you are hunting normal distances, all this is moot, what's normal, for me in the South probably not more than a couple of hundred yards, longer over a bean field maybe, and a Nosler Partition always works. A 30.06 will hunt anything Ill come across in the lower 48 so Ill go back to my grandfather's old saying, If it aint broke, don't fix it.

  • @WillyK51
    @WillyK51 Год назад +2

    Wouldn't go heavier than 180 Grns with a 7 MM. Surprised a the performance of the 140 Grns. 👍

    • @Honkers716
      @Honkers716 Год назад

      This has been my dilemma. 7mm goes to 180gr. 30cal goes to 200-220gr. Then a .338 is too much

  • @mopardoctor9966
    @mopardoctor9966 Год назад

    Just get a Weatherby 30-378 and end the argument of who is the top dog.

  • @untermench3502
    @untermench3502 Год назад

    It's all about BC and time to target. Unless you find a way to defeat the acceleration of gravity, all bullets have the same thing in common.

  • @michaelpcoffee
    @michaelpcoffee Год назад

    The flattest shooting is necessarily the fastest and most aerodynamic.

  • @tmurray1972
    @tmurray1972 Год назад +1

    Mr Spomer, what twist rate would you recommend for a 22-250? I know it will depend on bullet weights, but if you were to pick an all around good twist rate for a “one” and done rifle, what would choose. Thanks.👍🏻

  • @sbowyer525
    @sbowyer525 Год назад

    Since this channel is mostly about hunting, how about using hunting bullets like Swift Scirocco, Nosler Accubond, Barnes LRX, or Hornady CX - high BC, but bonded or monolithic?

  • @danielkearney3295
    @danielkearney3295 Год назад

    love this stuff!

  • @slackleashdogtraining3598
    @slackleashdogtraining3598 Год назад

    5.56 might be faster than superman; or maybe it was judged by a very slow mind.

  • @jimklemens5018
    @jimklemens5018 Год назад

    6.5 - 300 Weatherby with a 130 grain bullet is the flattest.

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 Год назад

    I think you're missing a couple of cartridges and bullets. 108 ygraine fired out of an 8 mm Remington Magnum approaching 3400 or more feet per second for the 180 grain round but probably better would be the same case neck down 27 mm and fired in the seven mm shooting times Westerner. I think that shooting times Westerner would take the cake from what you're discussing. As I believe that you would be able to drive 175 grain bullet upwards of four thousand feet per second.

  • @Suslord907
    @Suslord907 Год назад

    this videos about flattest shooting ones. i want to know what’s your opinion on which bullet type and grain is best for hunting with the 338 lapua magnum? i recently bought one for Alaskan Moose. honestly have no clue what bullet i should run. barrel has a 1-9.3 twist rate. thanks Ron your videos help out a lot.

  • @markbroad119
    @markbroad119 Год назад

    31yd drop at 1750yds out

  • @jacobmeyer1842
    @jacobmeyer1842 Год назад +4

    45-70 🤣

  • @drocfox9771
    @drocfox9771 Год назад +3

    22.250 270win is up there but I’d say the 22.250

    • @mehicanbls1526
      @mehicanbls1526 Год назад

      Need more weight to maintain velocity at distance

    • @mehicanbls1526
      @mehicanbls1526 Год назад

      243, 25-06 6.5-06 ll have much better sectional density than the 22-250

  • @blairsimpkins3505
    @blairsimpkins3505 Год назад

    I thing the .408 Cheytac destroys that with just as 2.11" at 300 yards and still making 6,800 ft/lbs.

  • @tylerchronister2940
    @tylerchronister2940 Год назад

    What about the crazy rounds like the .375CT and the .408CT?

  • @IHWKR
    @IHWKR Год назад

    Waiting for someone to put a .22lr chambered into a 700NE

  • @gearhead3125
    @gearhead3125 Год назад

    I could use some help deciding a caliber for white tail hunting I used a friend's 6.5 creedmoor this past year but I'm trying to decide what caliber I want but I don't want to damage to much meat any recommendations and do you think rib meat is worth it on kansas whitetail

  • @harperramsey1305
    @harperramsey1305 Год назад +2

    Is there much of a different between the
    7mm rum and the 7 mm stw ?

    • @nt3523
      @nt3523 Год назад

      The Rum has a bit more case capacity and the stw is belted.

  • @DSMattitude
    @DSMattitude Год назад

    Sooo i may need to do some of my own calculations. But i may be switching from a 180 to a 140 in my 284 win with a 29" barrel.

  • @easttexan2933
    @easttexan2933 Год назад

    I guess to marksmen that shoot competition those numbers actually mean something. Not sure how this applies in the hunting world.

  • @thomasdaum1927
    @thomasdaum1927 Год назад

    Well Ron you have proven that the truth is not always pleasant ! The 7 STW , 7 Ultra , 28 Nosler will shoot the pants off the 7 PRC with a 140 gr bullet ! We don’t need all these new cartridges !…… Thanks for running the numbers , now we know !

  • @samarth5381
    @samarth5381 Год назад

    All are 7mm bullet??

  • @z06ix
    @z06ix Год назад

    28 Nosler

  • @timeverett7828
    @timeverett7828 Год назад

    7mm STW

  • @rexsteel1094
    @rexsteel1094 Год назад +1

    Best not bring up flat earth

  • @thecheapshot1065
    @thecheapshot1065 Год назад

    What should I get guys and girls? Im getting ready to order a Remington 700 LR in 6.5prc or 7mm PRC it's a 26" barrel with a heavy contour or a Browning x bolt LR or western hunter one with a 26" other a 24" not the same heavy contour but both have a muzzle device. Again 6.5 PRC, 7 prc or 280AI. Ayhan load Samuel availability and cost is not really a concern and I'm going to need to use layaway so a 6-month weight isn't an issue either. All between 900 and 1200. Awesome thetic stocks which I'm not a big fan of a rather heavy grade a or better walnut but what are you going to do? It's a do everything target, varmint, elk rifle

    • @peterhert9350
      @peterhert9350 Год назад

      From Europe. I get in two weeks a danish rifle Schultz&Larsen in 6,5-284 with a second Barrel in 6XC. Easy to change.

  • @nihiluskarr2717
    @nihiluskarr2717 Год назад

    Out of curiosity. Do you have any preferred bonded bullets (especially in .30 cal)? If so, do you find it performs better, worse, or the same than a similar weight monolithic copper bullet at the 1800 to 2300 fps velocities? I'm curious because I have thought about getting some Barnes TTSX-BT bullets, but they don't seem to do as well as bonded lead bullets at lower velocities from what I'm finding online. Just figured I'd ask, since you're more experienced with the different brands and product lines than most.

  • @chrischiampo7647
    @chrischiampo7647 Год назад

    Gyrojet 😮😮😮😮

  • @patrickorear4987
    @patrickorear4987 11 месяцев назад

    I love your show and appreciate what you bring to us in education and entertainment, but ive got to ask, If its unethical to hunt past 400 yards like you say it is, why are you concerned with how flat a cartridge shoots at 400 yards and up. This melding of target cartridge ballistics with hunting cartridges has too many people thinking their tried and true hunting rifles need to be replaced. I personally believe that a larger diameter bullet bringing lots of energy is better for hunting than a high bc smaller bullet even if it drops more at distance. It tears a larger wound cavity. None of them drop enough to matter inside of 400 yards. I feel like this is just marketing garbage from the bullet manufacturers to sell people something they don't need.

  • @Michaeldpress14
    @Michaeldpress14 Год назад +1

    204

  • @robertlocke7711
    @robertlocke7711 Год назад

    Anything more than your size target wind deflection is too much. At the end of the day in the range you should be shooting. They all will work and when they start to win at distance. It's a mute point because none are sure things.

  • @nohandle257
    @nohandle257 Год назад +2

    " flat" 🙄

  • @Damidas
    @Damidas Год назад

    Now listen here chum..

  • @danielbell4007
    @danielbell4007 Год назад

    One of your other videos got me thinking about bullet weight and aerodynamics… with 3d printing advancing so rapidly, would it be feasible to 3d print an all copper bullet with a hollowed out honey comb pattern in the middle (for structural support, balance, and weight reduced, probably under vacuum so internal air doesn’t blow out the jacket when it heats up) to create a very lite bullet weight in a long sleek profile? I’m not an engineer so I can’t accurately estimate weights, but I imagine you could get a 90-100 grain bullet in that same sleek size as the 190 grain bullet. Lots of velocity, more aerodynamic. Anyway, just a thought I had.

    • @nymeriagloves3957
      @nymeriagloves3957 Год назад

      think mass is a factor of bc so you cant cheat and only lower mass and expect the bc to stay the same

    • @danielbell4007
      @danielbell4007 Год назад

      @@nymeriagloves3957 hmmm you’re right. Like a basketball vs a balloon. Disregard. 😂

  • @CJ-ty8sv
    @CJ-ty8sv Год назад

    I never understood the whole "fast and flat" hype. Drop is extremely predictable so who cares if it drops more just dial more or hold more. I'll take heavy high BC any and all days over a light fast bullet that has less drop for two reasons,
    1) as mentioned here, the lower wind deflection (wind is harder to accurately predict unlike gravity which is constant and a bullet that deflects less means the shooter is given are larger margin of error in his or her wind calls)
    2) the thing not mentioned in this video.... energy on target.
    Using the same bullets and same velocities and 300, 700, and 1500 yards since those were mentioned, the energies are as follows.
    120gn V-Max
    2287lb-ft @300
    1058lb-ft @700
    244lb/ft @1500
    140gn Berger VLD's
    2675lb-ft @300
    1544lb-ft @700
    444lb-ft @1500
    190 Berger LRHT's
    2916lb-ft @300
    2002lb-ft @700
    865lb-ft @1500
    So as we can see, despite being 800fps slower, the 190 kills the 120 at any and all distanced in terms of energy and as we already know, has the clear advantage in the wind.

  • @matt84712
    @matt84712 Год назад

    My 55 grain hornady 22-250 at 4200fps shoots flat out to 400yds from what I read

  • @johndoe3947
    @johndoe3947 Год назад

    Ron,how did bullet speed end up in FPS and not mph?

  • @Fister_of_Muppets
    @Fister_of_Muppets Год назад

    According to Brandon, a .22LR assault sniper weapon can shoot a submarine out of a cat's eye at 50 miles away.

  • @campsitez2355
    @campsitez2355 Год назад

    Everyone knows Lazzeroni makes the fastest shooting 7mm > 7.21 Firebird. You should know better half your video ideas come from old gun magazine articles kinda like paul harrell but then again you don't recognize the significance of how .007" makes 7mm better than .270 so maybe you didn't read enough.

  • @thecheapshot1065
    @thecheapshot1065 Год назад

    My wife and I got in an argument today because she was watching a video about the concert shooting in Las Vegas and when the parents of one of the dead young adults came onto the the screen and started talking about they were influential and getting bump stock ban and then they started using things like assault weapons weapons made for war and 10-round limits I said it look like Bloomberg people get to the shootings almost like one of those attorneys that chases car accidents. I said they all use the same verbage they all talk about the exact same things 10-round magazine assault weapons weapons of war don't belong and civil society they use the exact same verbage. The left is fantastic about getting their message on point and making sure everybody uses the same words over and over and over until we're all zombies and brainwashed. She said when one of these shootings happens to somebody I love then I'll change my mind and they at this point they were talking about going after the weapon manufacturers. I said no I'm not going to considerFord responsible and drunk drivers plowed into crowds I don't think that manufacturers should be responsible for the evil that people use their tools for when their tools are meant for something else. And she started talking about the Carnage of this in the Carnage of that but logic never overtake emotion and you have to be able to separate the two and that is the difference between a liberal and conservative

  • @xxxarmycop
    @xxxarmycop Год назад

    Term "flat shooting" always bugs me. All bullets drop at the same rate...it's simple gravity. It 's only matter of speed.

  • @ecleveland1
    @ecleveland1 Год назад +22

    Windage is always the variable that I want to defeat, because it can change multiple times the further you go. If you are only picking a bullet for hunting, go with one that has great terminal ballistics at the maximum distance you will be shooting and the one with the best ability to beat the wind. For me that's 500 yards for whitetail deer. Those two characteristics are going be a compromise in your bullet choice. Don't sweat the small numbers and don't choose a bullet based on some range you are never going to shoot.

    • @thecheapshot1065
      @thecheapshot1065 Год назад +3

      This is great advice. I have never shot past 4 so I'm buying a do everything rifle and I'm constantly reminding myself while selecting a cartridge. I'm set on 6.5prc, 280AI, 7prc. I hand load so as long as I can get a hundred cases of brass I'm not concerned with ammo available

    • @trevorkolmatycki4042
      @trevorkolmatycki4042 Год назад +1

      Agreed!
      To meet the criteria you speak of, I chose 270WIN with 129gr Barnes LRX at 3090fps MV @ 0degC
      Purrrfect whitetail load to 500m limit… with a 300m MPBR.
      The old 270WIN is just as relevant in 2023 as it was in 1925.

    • @ziggystardust1122
      @ziggystardust1122 Год назад +1

      500yds for whitetail...that places you in a category of maybe 5% or less of all whitetail hunters.
      At that range, with even the perfect cartridge choice, one shot one kill would be a difficult challenge for the majority of hunters. Getting it consistently right takes skills most hunters simply don't have.

    • @trevorkolmatycki4042
      @trevorkolmatycki4042 Год назад +1

      @@ziggystardust1122 Yes, 100% agreed. 500 is crazy long range. I have not yet harvested deer past 350yd. My longest harvest is a Cow Moose at 440yd. I have taken up long range target shooting practice out to 800m at the range so some of that skill building is rubbing off on the hunting side. Like now at the range, 400m first round hits in fair conditions on 8" targets is routine and first round hits on 12" targets at 500m is very reasonable, 300m feels like a chip shot now. But I must say... things are waay different in real hunting scenarios, like a 300m shot on a deer in last light conditions is no joke... And things get real squirrelly when the buck fever gets a hold of your endocrine system!
      I don't know if I will ever encounter an ethical opportunity to harvest game at 500m... conditions will have to be right, with solid support and high probability of recovery before I will take that on!... Meantime I will certainly set up the gear and train the skills for it... if nothing else just for fun. Getting first round hits at crazy long range on steel targets at the range with your regular hunting gear is pretty fun stuff... I really enjoy all the gear and math involved... I'm a bit of a nerd that way. Cheers.

    • @ziggystardust1122
      @ziggystardust1122 Год назад +1

      @@trevorkolmatycki4042 Well said Trevor.
      "Fair Chase", is not a static term. It changes from hunter to hunter and in scenario to scenario. Only the individual, in the moment, can know. IMO, few succeed.

  • @nicholassteffan9364
    @nicholassteffan9364 Год назад

    27 Nosler

  • @lifeanddaily6583
    @lifeanddaily6583 Год назад +8

    Flattest shooting is a great topic Mr.Spomer however you may be running a small risk of accidentally getting into a discussion about the "CORIOLIS EFFECT"... 😂... with all due respect brother...you are the best man...

    • @RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast
      @RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Год назад +9

      I doubt I'm the best, but at least I'm smart enough to not tackle coriolis again for awhile. Thanks Life and Daily!

  • @klingerwvu5253
    @klingerwvu5253 Год назад +1

    .177 American BB out of a red rider is the fastest....sorry that was my inner child blurring out

  • @googleeyeseyes4033
    @googleeyeseyes4033 Год назад +5

    Great episode Ron, thanks again for great content and education for new, non expert loader.

  • @lrac7751
    @lrac7751 Год назад +4

    The .243 pretty much covers all my rifle needs, so when I see things like “190 grains at 3000fps”. That’s an artillery piece lol, dam

    • @susquehannaoutdoorsman3804
      @susquehannaoutdoorsman3804 Год назад +1

      243 is a good rifle, I grew up shooting 30-30, but I bought a 308 because of availability of ammo, took two doe opening day with it and I was like well they can't get any deader than that haha, and that was only 150 grains, it's crazy to think about how much energy would be behind something bigger yet

    • @nmelkhunter1
      @nmelkhunter1 Год назад

      Think elk and mulies at extended ranges. Say 350 to 400 yards; especially in windy conditions.

    • @lrac7751
      @lrac7751 Год назад

      @@nmelkhunter1 I completely understand the need for a cartridge like that. I grew up in a state that did not allow center fire rifles for deer, only varmints, then moved to western Washington where I hunt for 150lb blacktail in an actual rainforest.
      So from my experience, that’s a howitzer

    • @nmelkhunter1
      @nmelkhunter1 Год назад +1

      @@lrac7751 Yep. Fire mission, fire mission! 🤠

  • @stefanocappella9612
    @stefanocappella9612 Год назад +2

    Here in Canada flat is elementary.... Kentucky windage and elevation is all I ever needed. Lol. I would absolutely love to do any hunt with you in alberta canada Mr. Spomer.

  • @dundonrl
    @dundonrl Год назад +1

    I looked up the 26 Nosler, loaded by Double Tap firing a 129 gr Accubond Long Range and with a muzzle velocity of 3604 fps (fired out of a Nosler M48 Patriot with 26" bbl) they are saying "The flattest flying round out to 1200yds in existence."

  • @jakejuvland5147
    @jakejuvland5147 Год назад +2

    Maintained velocity is also an advantage with higher bc bullets in an extended range hunting situation. Certain bullets need certain minimal velocity to reliability expand.

  • @Honkers716
    @Honkers716 Год назад +1

    So "the flattest" cartridge comes down to what range are you talking about.
    Just like a sub MOA rifle at how many rounds? 5 vs 500 will be a different MOA.
    The more I learn, The less I know.

  • @rogerbartels5223
    @rogerbartels5223 Год назад

    One half the velocity squared RULES!!! The highest velocity equals the flattest shooting. Gravity works the same on a 35 grain bullet or a 50 pound rock. Have a great day!!!

  • @nowherespecial6780
    @nowherespecial6780 Год назад

    Do you have any videos out on the 338. I purchased A338 ruger pdecision I absolutely love it. Recoil to me is next to I think knowing that you have a rifle that can shoot 2 miles with ease. With almost no recoil is very impressive. What's not impressive. A $120 for a Box of Hornady eld 285 grain .

  • @MrGsteele
    @MrGsteele Год назад

    Wind deflection is primarily a function of bullet mass; drop is a function of time in the air, and is independent of mass, as Galileo proved.
    So what we are measuring in drop is really time to a given distance - the first one there has dropped the least, period. As the lighter bullet's momentum is used up by aerodynamic drag, it slows until it takes longer to get out to the longer distances than the initially slower, but higher momentum heavy bullets, so it has been in the air longer, and has dropped more.
    Wind deflection, however, is a function of the mass of the bullet and its lateral coefficient of drag times area. Assuming the drag coefficients of the heavier and lighter bullets are ~identical when looked at from the side, then the surface area times the coefficient determines the area that the crosswind has to act on, against the mass of the bullet. If the mass is greater, it takes more force to move the bullet sideways. F=MA or in this case, A=F/M. More mass for a given force means less acceleration laterally.
    For a given sideways wind force, the heavier bullet resists being pushed more than the lighter bullet. Add to that the fact that at extreme distances the heavier bullet has been in the air for less time because it caught up and passed the lighter bullet, and the total force pushing it has also been less over the shorter time over which the heavier bullet has been pushed.
    Less force against a heavier mass means less drift. It's all Newtonian, and just arithmetic.

  • @jrd8640
    @jrd8640 Год назад +1

    So basically it comes down to the distance your shooting

  • @paulvandenberg5341
    @paulvandenberg5341 Год назад

    I’m a hunter. Most shots are under 100 meters. I’d be hard pressed to try and kill an animal at 300. One shot kill is my ethic.

  • @Magnum_Express
    @Magnum_Express Год назад +1

    As a hunter and not as much a "shooter" , retained energy is probably the only thing I concern myself with as far as ammo goes. I'm sure the bigger bullets have more energy at all ranges, but even then that's not always a given.

  • @omen1784
    @omen1784 Год назад

    The fastest bullet was me bolting out of my girls house when her daddy pulled up.

  • @jimbro650
    @jimbro650 Год назад +1

    Love all your videos Ron, been watching you for some time now especially when you where on those TV shows 👍🇺🇸🗽

  • @nymeriagloves3957
    @nymeriagloves3957 Год назад

    still kinda counter intuitive that a longer projectile with more surface area thats slower so in the wind even longer is the one that drifts less.

  • @phild9813
    @phild9813 Год назад +1

    The answer is always “it depends.” If your definition of long range is 300 yards, then a lighter for caliber bullet will be the flattest shooting. If your definition is 1000 yards, then a high BC bullet will be flatter shooting.

    • @Matthewzilla
      @Matthewzilla Год назад

      He literally just showed that at 1000 yards the faster bullets were still flatter.