Apparently Fincher instructed Lynch to play this scene like he believed he was totally innocent, and the more innocent he played it the guiltier he seemed.
I think it's suspicious how he has his excuses primed and ready, could just be smart as fuck though so, although the zodiac killer would probably be smart, but the total apathy and focus on himself sells the psychopathic characteristics for me.
If you're someone who hasn't seen the film, this scene might sound kind of boring if someone were to describe it to you. And then you watch it, and it's one of the most compelling and chilling scenes of the entire film. The direction and reaction shots are sharper than a blade. The irony is that John Carroll Lynch played the docile portrait painting husband of Marge Gunderson the detective in "Fargo." Talk about two ends of the spectrum. Acting greatness.
John Carroll Lynch is a rare actor, his portrayal as Arthur is just so damn riveting, it makes you wonder if he is the Zodiac or not. Aside from this, I definitely enjoyed his performance as Eastman in TWD, the barber in Gran Torino, and Mac McDonald in the Founder.
The way JCL changes his voice when he says 'I'm not the Zodiac, and if I was I certainly wouldn't tell you' so chilling. One of the greatest actors of them al;.
This was masterful use of cameras . . . the detectives looking at each other, then switching to forward facing angles to create a more confronting, suspicious atmosphere that the Zodiac picks up on, with the audience. Just, so well done.
@@ykjdob I understand what you mean, but you have to look at the behaviour of some of these criminals. I mean, OJ Simpson wrote a book titled (If) I Did It, for pete's sake. A police interrogation is certainly not the best time to be flippant and casual....that's all I'm saying.
@Safe-and-effective Ed Kemper turned himself in because it was taking so long for the police to catch him. He got so nervous/anxious about being caught he couldn't take it. This info is from the Netflix show Mindhunter. So take it for what you 😅
@@MrWickHaHaBobayega this clip was obviously shortened compared to the actual movie. There are more chair noises in the first few moments of meeting Arthur, which they didn’t show here.
@@Rockypier719 Arthur Leigh was one hundred percent the killer of the five confirmed Zodiac murders. He just got away with it. The rest of the attributed killings and cryptic messages we'll never know
In the end, it wasnt the person this guy was playing who did it. This guy was only a weirdo that wanted atention pretending to be the zodiac. The actual zodiac was a guy with last name Poste who was in the army. This was recently proved with dna tests that werent available at the time
@@joewoods5514 Because all of the "evidence" was circumstantial. They couldn't prove anything concrete at the end of the day. And his prints/DNA match came out as a negative. It's mind-blowing how many things pointed to him being the Zodiac tho...
Check him out in the “Foxcatcher.” That’s of course if you haven’t already seen it. He plays a lumbering happy-go-lucky hippie type, who is also a badass Olympic wrestler, based off the real life of Mark Schultz. Steve Carrel does an amazing job in that film as well. 👍
I went to the theatre to see this movie thinking it was another "Seven-like" movie... I was a teen and I got so disappointed at the moment. Few years later I saw it back on TV and it blew my mind. Loved it. It amazes me to this day how could I had such a different opinion of this.
What a scene. You can feel the culpability leaping off the screen. As a layman you can feel it so these detectives inner sirens must've been off the charts haha
The level of skill at balancing the screen, at using blocking of characters to communicate power, and the color scheme throughout Zodiac is akin to looking at a painting by an old master. One cannot help but be gobsmacked by the perfection. He makes it look simple, but it is so brilliant and complex.
I’ve seen this scene a million times, and am just now noticing the watch says Zodiac, which is why Arthur’s fidgeting with it when being interrogated. I always assumed they focused on it because Arthur says he’s left handed yet he’s wearing it on his left hand, and most people wear it on the opposite hand they use. You could look at it with all of that in mind I guess. So many subtle clues showing that Arthur is lying.
Great scene, I personally get the feeling that the killer is actually enjoying the conversation. He knows the police have no evidence and enjoys playing with them. He feels that he is above them intellectually, which gives him satisfaction.
Yeah a lot of criminals believe themselves to be the smartest person in the room and I think it's a reason why a lot of the ones who get caught actually get caught.
This movie is so good in every aspect; besides the main plot you can see how each character in this interview life goes on: the sargent for whom this is just another case and his life goes on, the detective who is very professional until the last second but wants to get out (and eventually he does) and the other detective, the most commited one, whose life gets dragged by this end dead case.
How come every clip of this scene omits the amazing “I look forward to the day when police are no longer referred to as ‘pigs’” shade he throws on the way out of the interview?!
DNA tested from the crime materials in later years didn't match Allen. He's still considered a viable suspect but as he died before he could be charged it's still an open case.
The scariest part is that Arthur Leigh Allen was a real person and died in Atascadero years ago. His DNA exonerated him later as a suspect despite being ID by a witness.
Zodiac could have been captured multiple times On the park after the cab driver was murder cops saw aa man looked like arthur Later, arthur if he hadnt die by a heart attack he would have answer his conection between him and darlene, the girl that got shot on 1969( the first killing) Bob vaugh and rick marshall had a conectiopn by the letter but just that... This movie shows that many theories are valied but not confirmed 100% and is so frustrating
"Leigh". -"what*? "Leigh. Nobody calls me Arthur". This is just another phenomenal detail that gives us so much information. Darlene knew a man named Leigh. Darlenes sister confirmed that the man she was afraid of was named Leigh. Leigh actually lived 46 yards away from The House of Pancakes where Darlene worked, in his mothers basement at the time of her murder. Since nobody, according to the man himself, calls him Arthur, we can then come to the conclusion that everyone who knows him, knows him as Leigh, period. That makes the case that the man named Leigh that Darlene knew, probably was Arthur Leigh Allen.
David Fincher is easily one of my favorite directors. the people who makes intense thrillers as good as him are very few. I only wish he would bring Mindhunter back as that show was fucking PHENOMENAL.
He does his mannerisms very well: I don't know if John Carol Lynch gave it much thought. His voice is different, but his body movements an inflections for Leigh are spot on and he really encompasses the essence of the character. This was a very pleasing film to watch.
I believe there were a few of them involved and Bob Vaughn may have been one of the accomplices, reason being his house had a basement etc. And at that time having a basement was rare. That scene in the film was dark & creepy. Loved the movie!
I think Bob Vaughn was just a guy. The handwriting analyst that said the posters and letters matched was a washed up alcoholic, and Greysmith was so paranoid that he believed it was him. I think the most simple answer is that it was just Arthur Leigh Allen, but no one can prove it
I wouldn't hang too much on the killer's gloating, he's playing the part of the villain. Where is a serial killer going to keep something? Up in the bedroom or TV room where there's windows people can look in or where visitors might see it? Or in a modern equivalent of a medieval dungeon: a basement. The letters were not honest admissions, they were self-indulgent ego trips. The fact that basements are rare in California is just as likely to mean he lied about having a basement as to be an accidental admission that he had a rare feature of his property. Realize this was part of him claiming to have made an explosive device that never turned up, suggesting he was only taking glee in making the authorities chase a red herring.
I love that there's no music. Just the sound of the factory and the hollow ambient noise that sounds as though these cops are speaking to Death itself, and that hollow ambient noise is really the sound of the void where all souls go.
This is such a realistic scene, makes you wonder if he took it directly from the notes of the detectives... Of course this is probably completely dramatized. That's what I love about Fincher, he is so good at making realistic cinema.
I wouldn't say it's realistic. The guy rattles off ten pieces of incriminating evidence within 4 minute, it's practically a signed, sealed confession and the cops barely ask a question. Lol.
You think hes refering to the couple who got stabbed on the lake? Or what you try to say is that he likes couples that's why he choose to kill couples?
Notice how Arthur says he's left handed but wears his watch on that hand. Typically you wear a watch on the opposite hand that you are dominant with. And, when the detective asks him about being ambidextrous, Arthur covers his wrist with his hand trying to hide the watch. just a few interesting details that don't seem like they were just randomly added to the film.
A lot of left handed people from that generation wear their watches that way. Bill Clinton does for example. He is also responsible for more deaths than the Zodiac Killer but still...
What is with the obsession with people wearing their watch on the opposite wrist of their dominant hand? I’m right handed and wear my watch on my right. Wearing it on my left would be absolutely stupid. So no, which wrist you wear your watch is NOT an indicator of which hand is dominant.
This is one of the best scenes Fincher has done. The look and the deeper more calm voice after he realizes that they suspect him is masterstroke of acting.
I like how the suspect starts off overly helpful, giving up information he wasn't asked to give...it ultimately makes him appear guilty right off the bat.
He's the one. Notice how Arthur Leigh Allen flaunts it by showing off his military shoes and zodiac watch because he knows they don't have enough evidence on him. Great acting!
One of my favorite movies, especially having grown up in the Bay Area and being into true crime from an early age. I remember watching this movie when I was high and this scene stuck out so much. I couldn't help but think how much it seemed like he was getting off at revealing so much evidence about himself that correlated with all the evidence that had been gathered throughout the whole movie.
I firmly believe Leigh Allen was Zodiac - ONE of them, at least. Zodiac being more than one person just makes more sense. Why handwriting evidence and witness descriptions of Zodiac didn't match up.
I first remember JCL in Fargo back in the mid-90's, guy is such a good actor, he can play subtle, he can play crazy, he can play all sorts...really versatile actor. Fincher managing to get all this content regarding the Zodiac story into about a 3 hour film - and make it interesting - was an accomplishment. I love Ruffalo's performance as Toschi, he pulled off San Francisco detective mid-70's perfectly, reminded my of my late uncle, also a detective...brilliant at reading clues, reading people, asking questions, but civil and cordial with the public...who he served faithfully for nearly 3 decades.
I was told this film flopped at the box office. Does anyone know the reason? I just can't see a reason why? Great script, great performances, good starcast, just bizarre.
It came out during a time of massive blockbusters and was heavily unmarketed. The trailers they did had painted as a boring biopic. Its super underrated and one of Finchers best works
wouldn't stand a chance in today days and age, where everything is computerize. Vallejo P.D could have shared info with other P.D and could have narrowed the suspect or suspects.
Love this movie. The look, actors chosen, the length. My son was young when we watched it. Leaving my brothers house one night he goes, “Good Night” in the creepy Zodiac voice. 😂
I'm left handed and I wear my watch on the left hand too. It's just a legacy habit learned from living in a right hander's world. It doesn't mean anything.
Honestly lynch is such a valuable asset nowadays, very few naturally great character actors like him now, the ones I mean that absolutely nail even the tiniest of roles and make em their own
Apparently Fincher instructed Lynch to play this scene like he believed he was totally innocent, and the more innocent he played it the guiltier he seemed.
We still have no idea who the Zodiac really is so it's smart that Fincher let the audience build their own suspicions
I don’t think he seemed that guilty
@@anthonyvincent804 how lmao
@@chrispember172 Probably thinks that cause he said "If I was the zodiac killer" but I don't agree.
I think it's suspicious how he has his excuses primed and ready, could just be smart as fuck though so, although the zodiac killer would probably be smart, but the total apathy and focus on himself sells the psychopathic characteristics for me.
John Carol Lynch is a treasure. A true blue, workman actor who just knocks it out every time.
He was really good in The Founder
i think he is the killer xD
Are you Australian
If you want to see him playing a character who was a polar opposite of Leigh, try From the Earth to the Moon.
@@nicksambides2628 I’d argue his polar opposite character was Eastman from the walking dead but will have to check yours out!
If you're someone who hasn't seen the film, this scene might sound kind of boring if someone were to describe it to you. And then you watch it, and it's one of the most compelling and chilling scenes of the entire film. The direction and reaction shots are sharper than a blade.
The irony is that John Carroll Lynch played the docile portrait painting husband of Marge Gunderson the detective in "Fargo." Talk about two ends of the spectrum. Acting greatness.
eyy margy!
@@deltaskelta7286, gotta have breakfast, Marge.
And yet another end of "the spectrum" was his portrayal of Drew Carey's brother.
Let's not forget Gothika. Nailed it.
He played a killer clown in AHS too, Twisty. "I couldn't even &!ll myself right..."
David Fincher, master of tension. He toys with the audience just like Leigh Allen does with the detectives.
I always wonderer why he didnt just stand up and leave if the officers made him uncomfortable, and thats because he was burning time until his break
He's overrated
He’s so good in The Invitation
David Fincher deserves his Oscar.
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I love how they keep calling him Arthur after he specifically says that no one calls him that, that everyone calls him Lee.
Leigh. Nobody calls him Lee.
Probably to see if it would rile him up
@@georgeofhamilton he went by Lee. His name tag for work even says Lee at the end.
2:18 I love that thud sound in the background when it cuts to Bill
Losing McDonald's really changed him forever.
I didn't even know that movie existed 'til about a month ago when a video popped up in my recommendeds on YT.
after closing shop in the mid 50’s he moved up north and began his murder spree.
😂 Good one
Perfect remark!
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Or marrying mimi
John Carroll Lynch is a rare actor, his portrayal as Arthur is just so damn riveting, it makes you wonder if he is the Zodiac or not. Aside from this, I definitely enjoyed his performance as Eastman in TWD, the barber in Gran Torino, and Mac McDonald in the Founder.
He’s also amazing is AHS: Freak Show as Twisty the Clown :)
Norm in Fargo
Watched the Founder last night
Drew Carey's brother in The Drew Carey Show.
Jimmy’s dad in “Bubble Boy.”
The way JCL changes his voice when he says 'I'm not the Zodiac, and if I was I certainly wouldn't tell you' so chilling. One of the greatest actors of them al;.
This was masterful use of cameras . . . the detectives looking at each other, then switching to forward facing angles to create a more confronting, suspicious atmosphere that the Zodiac picks up on, with the audience. Just, so well done.
you are masterful camera use enjoyer
@@aleksar6755 That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all day.
Allegedly the zodiac
He’s not the Zodiac… and if he was, he wouldn’t tell you
"I'm not the Zodiac, and if I was I certainly wouldn't tell you"
That line makes me laugh and kills me everytime I hear it. Great movie btw.
Laugh? Bro, that is perhaps the most bone chilling moment in the film
@@Originalcopy20 Yep. It could be interpreted as a giveaway.
@@Safe-and-effective Of course not. He was just being honest.
@@ykjdob I understand what you mean, but you have to look at the behaviour of some of these criminals. I mean, OJ Simpson wrote a book titled (If) I Did It, for pete's sake. A police interrogation is certainly not the best time to be flippant and casual....that's all I'm saying.
@Safe-and-effective Ed Kemper turned himself in because it was taking so long for the police to catch him. He got so nervous/anxious about being caught he couldn't take it.
This info is from the Netflix show Mindhunter. So take it for what you 😅
I love the squeaking of the chairs every time that one of them re-adjusts. It makes this scene that much more realistic and tense.
As opposed to the chairs not squeaking?
@@justicedemocrat9357 yes?
Think I heard the chair squeak once
@@MrWickHaHaBobayega this clip was obviously shortened compared to the actual movie. There are more chair noises in the first few moments of meeting Arthur, which they didn’t show here.
@@Rockypier719 Arthur Leigh was one hundred percent the killer of the five confirmed Zodiac murders. He just got away with it. The rest of the attributed killings and cryptic messages we'll never know
This is a great movie. The way it was directed was so good, it was creepy and unsettling as it should be, considering the content.
I LIKED THE MOVIE BUT SADLY IT WAS A WORK OF MOSTLY FICTION!
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@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1Shut up.
In the end, it wasnt the person this guy was playing who did it. This guy was only a weirdo that wanted atention pretending to be the zodiac. The actual zodiac was a guy with last name Poste who was in the army. This was recently proved with dna tests that werent available at the time
Nothing unsettling or creepy about these kinds of people once you've walked in their shoes.
I love where the camera is in this scene
Visual storytelling at his finest.
Fincher is a master of his craft
By all the evidence they got from this Interview It's insane that he wasn't framed
I’m intrigued why they didn’t frame him tbh
@@joewoods5514 Because all of the "evidence" was circumstantial. They couldn't prove anything concrete at the end of the day. And his prints/DNA match came out as a negative. It's mind-blowing how many things pointed to him being the Zodiac tho...
@@doughglass Especially now that Poste was identified as likely being the killer. Makes you wonder what was up with Leigh Allen.
@@fatboy4139 maybe there was one than one killer?
@@fatboy4139 poste is bs suspect
One of the most underrated films in Fincher's filmography.
best one tbh
@@7XL9 agreed
It's a fine movie but far from the best he has to offer. He needs to do more movies with Brad Pitt if you ask me.
Best thing he ever did
Fincher's best 3 are Seven, Fight Club and Zodiac. I prefer Zodiac and consider it to be a masterpiece.
I don't think Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac, I think this actual actor here was the Zodiac.
As funny as that sounds, the actor was 5 and 6 years old when it happened, the actor was born in 1963
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@@akotohirosaki8868u still never know
Lmao
@@akotohirosaki8868 exactly what the zodiac would say
Fincher makes thrillers like no one. Se7en is the best to this day
He is an amazing director. The social network is a masterpiece too.
Gone girl was so insanely good as well
The Game is great, but Gone Girl is superb.
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This intervention feel so intense thanks to their top notch acting
Interview*
No, it's an intervention. Dominic Palladino was there.
@@yeahseven you understood what he meant 😅
@@yeahseven autocorrespondence
I've said my piece Chrissy
Mark Ruffalo is such a natural actor. In this scene he's not saying much but his body language is portraying a heavy measage. What a talented man!
Check him out in the “Foxcatcher.” That’s of course if you haven’t already seen it. He plays a lumbering happy-go-lucky hippie type, who is also a badass Olympic wrestler, based off the real life of Mark Schultz. Steve Carrel does an amazing job in that film as well. 👍
He's Italian, what do you expect?
hes a liberal puppet
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Phenomenal movie, I have watched it at least 5 times and I always find new details and layers to peel.
That voice change is some of the best acting ive ever seen. The way he reads the room after the allecations is remarkable stuff.
One of the best directed and edited scenes I have ever seen. Ever!
I went to the theatre to see this movie thinking it was another "Seven-like" movie... I was a teen and I got so disappointed at the moment.
Few years later I saw it back on TV and it blew my mind. Loved it. It amazes me to this day how could I had such a different opinion of this.
This isn’t t your typical serial killer thriller…it s for movie buffs who possibly knew in advance about the murders
This movie is perfection, everything from the acting, dialogue, cinematography, tension, pacing is done masterfully, Finchers best film.
Fight Club, Zodiac and Social Network are Fincher's masterpieces
dont forget se7en@@hugh-jasole
How on earth do all you people talk about Fincher’s best films and not bring up The Game????
What a scene. You can feel the culpability leaping off the screen. As a layman you can feel it so these detectives inner sirens must've been off the charts haha
The level of skill at balancing the screen, at using blocking of characters to communicate power, and the color scheme throughout Zodiac is akin to looking at a painting by an old master.
One cannot help but be gobsmacked by the perfection. He makes it look simple, but it is so brilliant and complex.
I’ve seen this scene a million times, and am just now noticing the watch says Zodiac, which is why Arthur’s fidgeting with it when being interrogated. I always assumed they focused on it because Arthur says he’s left handed yet he’s wearing it on his left hand, and most people wear it on the opposite hand they use. You could look at it with all of that in mind I guess. So many subtle clues showing that Arthur is lying.
Great scene, I personally get the feeling that the killer is actually enjoying the conversation. He knows the police have no evidence and enjoys playing with them. He feels that he is above them intellectually, which gives him satisfaction.
Yeah a lot of criminals believe themselves to be the smartest person in the room and I think it's a reason why a lot of the ones who get caught actually get caught.
Probably because he was.
@@turkeyman631it works better when you have family in le or milt then u can do inside job zodiac was probably ex milt or cop nobody caught him
@@slyguythreeonetwonine3172yeah, i think its safe tk say that Arthur Leigh Allen was not a dumb man.
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that moment at 2:13 when he drops the nice guy act is so chilling.
That's some great acting there
He seems so guilty yet so innocent as well. It’s weird😂
Masterclass of a character acting. This guy has always been awesome
He really is
Never to me he seems innocent
This movie is so good in every aspect; besides the main plot you can see how each character in this interview life goes on: the sargent for whom this is just another case and his life goes on, the detective who is very professional until the last second but wants to get out (and eventually he does) and the other detective, the most commited one, whose life gets dragged by this end dead case.
Agreed. I don't think there was any flaw in this film.
I felt it ended too abruptly without resolve
@@Steve.Maverickjust like the real zodiac case. It was abrupt.
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How come every clip of this scene omits the amazing “I look forward to the day when police are no longer referred to as ‘pigs’” shade he throws on the way out of the interview?!
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@@scatterthewinds3126 He says it as he gets up off the chair to leave the interview, not sure why the uploader kept it out on this video.
What's also interesting is that the Zodiac referred to the police as Pigs in his letters @@telephonic
One of the best movies ever made
He had the boots, the zodiac watch, real sketchy story..😂☹️☹️☹️
This scene and the basment part just the realization on everybody's face
Anyone else think this suspect warrants further investigation?
Yeah he's a lot of people's top guess!
@@Flanneryschickens He commented the next line in this scene that wasn't in the video.
DNA tested from the crime materials in later years didn't match Allen. He's still considered a viable suspect but as he died before he could be charged it's still an open case.
The scariest part is that Arthur Leigh Allen was a real person and died in Atascadero years ago.
His DNA exonerated him later as a suspect despite being ID by a witness.
Zodiac could have been captured multiple times
On the park after the cab driver was murder cops saw aa man looked like arthur
Later, arthur if he hadnt die by a heart attack he would have answer his conection between him and darlene, the girl that got shot on 1969( the first killing)
Bob vaugh and rick marshall had a conectiopn by the letter but just that...
This movie shows that many theories are valied but not confirmed 100% and is so frustrating
he gave too much info but was never caught anyway
He is a scum bag but I don’t think he was the zodiac
He didn't say some of what's in this interview. He didn't wear the shoes either.
@@nutyyyy a lot of circumstantial evidence implicated Allen but all the forensic evidence turned up negative.
His DNA excluded him as a suspect years later.
This suspect died in 1992-1993.
He wasn’t the right guy anyway. Ted cruz got away with the murders and became a us senator
And if I was the Zodiac, I wouldn't tell you...
This guy crushed this scene. Every time I see him, this is the first thing I think of.
You really feel the suspicion with the detectives ,, amazing movie
It's a performance but the real interview was more unnerving.
@@eyeseer1 it's on RUclips?
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"Leigh".
-"what*?
"Leigh. Nobody calls me Arthur".
This is just another phenomenal detail that gives us so much information.
Darlene knew a man named Leigh. Darlenes sister confirmed that the man she was afraid of was named Leigh.
Leigh actually lived 46 yards away from The House of Pancakes where Darlene worked, in his mothers basement at the time of her murder.
Since nobody, according to the man himself, calls him Arthur, we can then come to the conclusion that everyone who knows him, knows him as Leigh, period.
That makes the case that the man named Leigh that Darlene knew, probably was Arthur Leigh Allen.
It saddens me we will never be able to find the real zodiac killer
It’s Arthur Leigh Allen. Just because he didn’t lick the envelopes doesn’t mean he’s innocent. The police were preparing an indictment when he died.
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This is one of the actors that you dont know his name but whenever you see him in a movie, you know that movie’s gonna be a GREAT movie.
4 OF THE GREATEST ACTORS TO EVER WALK THE PLANET!!
Ummmm... no. What you just said is a work of fiction.
@@PTANV-x2g GO TO BED JUNIOR,THE ADULTS ARE CHATTING HERE!
@andrion waser Miracle Mile was a fun movie, although I rarely ever hear people mention it.
Wait! Carrottop was in this scene?
David Fincher is easily one of my favorite directors. the people who makes intense thrillers as good as him are very few. I only wish he would bring Mindhunter back as that show was fucking PHENOMENAL.
John Carroll Lynch is an intelligent and acute actor. This man has earned my total respect.
The cast in this movie is so damn good.
He does his mannerisms very well: I don't know if John Carol Lynch gave it much thought. His voice is different, but his body movements an inflections for Leigh are spot on and he really encompasses the essence of the character. This was a very pleasing film to watch.
I believe there were a few of them involved and Bob Vaughn may have been one of the accomplices, reason being his house had a basement etc. And at that time having a basement was rare. That scene in the film was dark & creepy. Loved the movie!
What made them think that zodiac has a basement? Watched this movie do many years ago...
@@talkswithvigy7860 I think the Zodiac mentioned having a basement, in one of his letters.
I think Bob Vaughn was just a guy. The handwriting analyst that said the posters and letters matched was a washed up alcoholic, and Greysmith was so paranoid that he believed it was him. I think the most simple answer is that it was just Arthur Leigh Allen, but no one can prove it
That's....not a reason.
I wouldn't hang too much on the killer's gloating, he's playing the part of the villain. Where is a serial killer going to keep something? Up in the bedroom or TV room where there's windows people can look in or where visitors might see it? Or in a modern equivalent of a medieval dungeon: a basement.
The letters were not honest admissions, they were self-indulgent ego trips. The fact that basements are rare in California is just as likely to mean he lied about having a basement as to be an accidental admission that he had a rare feature of his property. Realize this was part of him claiming to have made an explosive device that never turned up, suggesting he was only taking glee in making the authorities chase a red herring.
This guy who played Arthur Leigh Allen is so good holy shit
Awesome scene! Love how the Detective sees his ankle when he's posturing. Dave can DIRECT a scene!!!!!
In my top 5 as a film. JCL IS A LEGEND
I love that there's no music. Just the sound of the factory and the hollow ambient noise that sounds as though these cops are speaking to Death itself, and that hollow ambient noise is really the sound of the void where all souls go.
I have no memory of writing this comment lol wtf am I talking about
This is such a realistic scene, makes you wonder if he took it directly from the notes of the detectives... Of course this is probably completely dramatized. That's what I love about Fincher, he is so good at making realistic cinema.
I wouldn't say it's realistic. The guy rattles off ten pieces of incriminating evidence within 4 minute, it's practically a signed, sealed confession and the cops barely ask a question. Lol.
What a performance by John Carol Lynch.
I believe the Zodiac was actually two people. One was responsible for the murders, and one was responsible for the handwriting and the notes.
I like when he says "even if I was the killer I wouldn't tell you". Exciting movie. It's based on a true story.
Everyone knows it’s based on a true story bro
@@geezyla1151 I know
“I was alone but I met a couple there..”
I’ve watched this movie 100 times and this is the first time I realized that was a huge clue
You think hes refering to the couple who got stabbed on the lake? Or what you try to say is that he likes couples that's why he choose to kill couples?
That’s what I thought yes
Damn coincidences!
The ambient noise adds a lot to the scene, if you listen carefully there's a constant metallic hum..
The background ambience and soundscape in this scene is masterfully done
Notice how Arthur says he's left handed but wears his watch on that hand. Typically you wear a watch on the opposite hand that you are dominant with. And, when the detective asks him about being ambidextrous, Arthur covers his wrist with his hand trying to hide the watch.
just a few interesting details that don't seem like they were just randomly added to the film.
RUclips please put this movie 🍿 back on for free
"I'm left handed."
[camera centers on large wristwatch on left wrist of industrial worker]
Surrrrre you are....
A lot of left handed people from that generation wear their watches that way. Bill Clinton does for example.
He is also responsible for more deaths than the Zodiac Killer but still...
DUDE
I know who the Zodiac really is, he's always wearing wing walker shoes and wearing zodiac memorabilia
What is with the obsession with people wearing their watch on the opposite wrist of their dominant hand? I’m right handed and wear my watch on my right. Wearing it on my left would be absolutely stupid. So no, which wrist you wear your watch is NOT an indicator of which hand is dominant.
@@PTANV-x2g Probably because one might need to check the time while doing something with their dominant hand? Like writing or eating?
The devil lies in the details : Police 101
Exactly.
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This is one of the best scenes Fincher has done. The look and the deeper more calm voice after he realizes that they suspect him is masterstroke of acting.
The best scene in the whole film. The whole atmosphere makes your skin crawl
This man here is the zodiac killer
😂
I know! He's literally in the movie! This actor is the serial killer. I'll get him somehow!!!
@@JUST_DEADPOOL141 don't be a smartarse
all the suspects are copycat killers
I love this movie. Real actors taking the piss on everyone else.
I like how the suspect starts off overly helpful, giving up information he wasn't asked to give...it ultimately makes him appear guilty right off the bat.
He's the one. Notice how Arthur Leigh Allen flaunts it by showing off his military shoes and zodiac watch because he knows they don't have enough evidence on him. Great acting!
The time when actors dont need much CGI, Big Arms or explosions all around them to be good actors!
That stuff was pretty prolific in 2007.
This is what happens when your mallard doesn't make it onto the three cent stamp.
John Carol Lynch is a great actor.what a performance
One of my favorite movies, especially having grown up in the Bay Area and being into true crime from an early age. I remember watching this movie when I was high and this scene stuck out so much. I couldn't help but think how much it seemed like he was getting off at revealing so much evidence about himself that correlated with all the evidence that had been gathered throughout the whole movie.
how the fuck did this pop up in my recommendations so fast
I firmly believe Leigh Allen was Zodiac - ONE of them, at least. Zodiac being more than one person just makes more sense. Why handwriting evidence and witness descriptions of Zodiac didn't match up.
This scene, in every aspect, is a fucking masterclass.
Fincher’s best by a country mile.
I first remember JCL in Fargo back in the mid-90's, guy is such a good actor, he can play subtle, he can play crazy, he can play all sorts...really versatile actor. Fincher managing to get all this content regarding the Zodiac story into about a 3 hour film - and make it interesting - was an accomplishment. I love Ruffalo's performance as Toschi, he pulled off San Francisco detective mid-70's perfectly, reminded my of my late uncle, also a detective...brilliant at reading clues, reading people, asking questions, but civil and cordial with the public...who he served faithfully for nearly 3 decades.
A Perfect Film.
One of my favourite scenes from the Offices very own Kevin
Bruhhh 💀
Aka Ashton Kutcher
Aka The Cookie Monster lol
This is such a perfect scene. All the actors here, how it’s shot. Amazing
2:19 notice the sound effect used here. Give it up for Ren Klyce everyone 👏
0:54, every one of us have had some nutcase say something like that to us in life, scary shi..
or summat an npc in gta would say
I was told this film flopped at the box office. Does anyone know the reason? I just can't see a reason why? Great script, great performances, good starcast, just bizarre.
Slow pace, Fincher movies generally don’t appeal to the masses because they don’t want to think, just be entertained
Look up Girl with the dragon tattoo, trust me. Its Good
I have this movie and it's really good
It came out during a time of massive blockbusters and was heavily unmarketed. The trailers they did had painted as a boring biopic. Its super underrated and one of Finchers best works
I dunno what the expectations were for the film, but its not like it was heavily marketed or anything resembling a blockbuster
John Carol Lynch perfect zodiac
Incredible acting. Makes you believe even if this guy isn’t the Zodiac, he’s guilty…of something
The way the tone of hsi voice changes, chills
wouldn't stand a chance in today days and age, where everything is computerize. Vallejo P.D could have shared info with other P.D and could have narrowed the suspect or suspects.
This case is among the reasons why so much is computerized. The police knew they had a problem with how this was handled and learned from it.
The big difference would be the forensics. They would have combed over the crime scene and found anything even a hair and could get DNA from it.
In today's age he would go rampant mode in School with an automatic and Probably get double the kills he achieved in 1970s
@@nicksambides2628 I think the fact that stuff is computerized these days is probably because computers were developed.
See what happens when someone steals your McDonalds franchise? You go on a killing spree....
Hey, Norm,how the painting comin' along? Pretty good, ya know.
Love this movie. The look, actors chosen, the length. My son was young when we watched it. Leaving my brothers house one night he goes, “Good Night” in the creepy Zodiac voice. 😂
Wow. Mimics a sociopath so well.
Bro I stand by my beliefs. Lee is the zodiac killer.
They should have had him tailed to catch him in the act or something. He was so suspicious.
His DNA wasn’t a match to one found on his victims.
I'm left handed and I wear my watch on the left hand too. It's just a legacy habit learned from living in a right hander's world. It doesn't mean anything.
He's acting like a suspect and innocent at the same time, my god the acting in this Film is just 🔥
Honestly lynch is such a valuable asset nowadays, very few naturally great character actors like him now, the ones I mean that absolutely nail even the tiniest of roles and make em their own
This is a phenomenal scene in a great movie just outstanding acting they don't make them like this anymore .