Thanks for the comment! I am in no way an expert on Param-o, but it's fun to try to figure out and learn. The best way for me to learn a subject like this, is to try to teach it, although there's still a lot to be learned!
Yes it's pretty interesting. I think if you come from Grasshopper it probably is easier to pick up. Right now takes much longer to figure out how to set up the nodes than just modeling the shapes and saving as an object, but the parametric options take it a step above for sure!
@@CONTRABIM the reverse would be nice as well. for complicated models if i just model it out it using parameters it should generate the param-o diagram where i can fine tune it.
It's been a long time coming for this. Better than the script parameters. Next release, this should be a tool once improved and not an add on. Good vid. Nice exploration. Thanks.
@Contrabim: To solve the problem with the expression, (minute 19:04) - put the node "Ceil" between the expression and the number distribution. The problem is probably that the result of the expression does not output integers. With "Ceil" you get an integer.
This could be a breakthrough feature. Its the Archicad version of Family editor in Revit. Imagine there will be lots of custom made parametric objects for furniture and every other BIM products. There only a few GDL specialists who were able to do it using the programming interface but now its a truly new beginning. I wonder if its possible to add those 3D Hotpoints where you can visually stretch an object on the screen. Probably they willl add these features and more on future versions..
Great question! I'm sure they'll be building on it, but what's also interesting is how you can continue to open these in the GDL Object Editor and work on it there. Although I've noticed if you re-save from PARAM-O is seems to overwrite any changes. Still learning here more to come!
This is breakthrough. Functionality is very limited for now, but Graphisoft said they will extend it so that we can create every geometry can be created with GDL.
regarding the deck. You would have a Total Deck Size (TDS) and Deck Size (DS). The deck gap (DG) will be the output. So for TDS of 3ft and DS of 2.5in you will get (3*12)/2.5 = 14.4 decks. take the int of it that is 14 decks. 14 decks will take (14*2.5in) = 35in total space. So you are left with (36in - 35in) = 1in to distribute between gaps. Your DG will be now 1in/(14-1) = 0.0769in.
Object editor in Grasshopper mode. It would be great if we can edit all the object in PARAM-O. Editing object in GDL is not user friendly. It seams this add-on can visualize GDL . It's really efficient for product manufacturers to build up their product library.
I think you can't have the total width and the single deck's width and the gap as variables at the same time. I'd use one of those three methods instead: 1. set the total width of the table and the number of decks so you can automatically work out the deck's width based on their number. (total width - (n-1) x deck's width= total gaps); (total gaps / n= single gap) where n is the number of divisions. 2. set the number and width of the decks and the table width would be calculated automatically. 3. set the width of the table as variable, the number and width of the decks and the gaps are calculated (total width - (deck's width x deck's number) = total gaps); (total gaps / (number of decks -1) = single gap). I gonna try asap.
Thanks Hilario! That makes a lot of sense, that it'd be impossible for the even distribution to the edges when both gaps and deck widths are variables, as well as the table width. One has to drive another. I was following the GRAPHISOFT example image and couldn't quite figure that one out, but I'll give it another try, thanks for the comment!
I noticed that when you add the length in all these parameters instead of the global ones, on the 3D modeling the x and y don't change, but the hight it's changed like a marking on the volume, but not the volume itself. Weird. Maybe for the top distribution, replace the formula to a Divide? Idk, I'll try...
Maybe the deck elements should be made out of only one single slab and the gaps should be made out of a hidden geometry that cuts the deck slab into equal pieces!
That's a good idea, but it'll still require me figuring out the spacing and even distribution between two points. I'm playing around with it and will do some more videos soon! Thanks!
@@Claudiozee Yes I have the number distribution placed in there between the expression and the move nodes, been doing some work on this I'll have some more videos here soon showing what I've learned! Thanks!
I worked out a way of getting the slats to fit properly. The details are not important, as there are clearly many ways to do it. Nice, when you get your head around it. Are there tutorials or guidance on how to use some of the more obscure(to my eyes) features: e.g Move by Vector, Transform Shape etc. I could not guess how to use these from the available documentation.
Nice Dai! Yes the documentation is lacking a bit, I've been busy on some other recordings and product work but I've been wanting to get back into the paramo tools and dive a bit deeper in some tutorial vids.
Thanks for the comment, yes there have been some other good suggestions as well below... I havn't been back in this sample object but coming back with more videos soon!
Is there a way for someone without any background to learn it? Even though copying the nodes from the image and following the video still cant manage to achieve it... Any helpful recourses? I cant understand why we use subtraction. What would it mean in the process?
The subtraction is needed, for example, to determine the positions of the table legs. If you simply copy the table leg by the table length, it would end up outside the table by the table leg width. So you need to subtract the table leg thickness to get the correct distance to move it. Make a sketch and try to determine the position of the other legs using variables like table length or table width and table leg thickness. You will find that you need the subtraction. I hope to have helped a little.
@@llussik Thank you Gallus. I ve started practicing so I am getting familiar with what you re talking about. I hope graphisoft would release any guide book in the future
@@mariosk1016 In fact, there is a user manual from Graphisoft: helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide-chapter/85691/ but it still has a lot of potential upwards ... 🤷♂️ Best to use is the node documentation: helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide-chapter/85692/#XREF_87448_Node_Documentation
Hi Marios, yes there are some limited technical docs, but hopefully more coming soon especially because of the new formal release just came out. its best to start sloww and try to learn piece by piece and to follow some samples helps!
How editable are models, made by paramo then? can the be trimmed by walls, roofs , saved as doors, windows etc? And if we re talking about new features: graphisoft, please make happen right click on object in vice-vera order from mesh converting. So, wall, roof etc can be made from mesh object, that would be something.. Oh and yes, full nurbs support would be nice also, so we don't have to play with all that plug-ins so much...
Great question. Models are editable based on the parameters you set, but I'm not sure about the trimming. Perhaps same as SEO. I agree on the nurbs, that'd be nice! Roofs can be made from meshes, which works really well. I'm not sure how walls would work tho??
@@CONTRABIM I'm using windows. If I edit using the sample paramo from graphisoft the display appears (normal)...but when I want to create a new param o object, the display immediately turns dark like when we use a black display.
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there should a formula node so that all basic operations like addition, subtraction etc can be done in one node. Otherwise this is going to become an unmanageable mess as your model grows.
Yes it seems like a lot of steps but I think there's a reason for that, since multiple parts of an object may need to be added or subtracted. There may be some ways of better logic to combine things but still a work in progress. Maybe future releases!
thx for video! have to try paramo by myself, but it seems rather complicate. just for this simple table such a web of connections?! and again, no proper help or explanation, so we have to guess ... was with the properties the same ...
Thanks for the comment! Yes it's definitely a different way of looking at creating model geometry, but it's fun (and frustrating) to play with and learn, pushing my mind into a different direction for sure!
This PARAM-O feature will stay half baked just like 98% of Archicad. People at graphisoft are not good at finishing their ideas. They are masters in creating half baked software products. Now we have Archicad 26 and you recorded this video in AC24...Did people at graphisoft updated this feature....NAHHHH...They will leave it as half baked...
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THis is the only video about param-o that has been clear.. Other people that "share" does it halfway and makes it unclear.. So TYVM! This was great!
Thanks for the comment! I am in no way an expert on Param-o, but it's fun to try to figure out and learn. The best way for me to learn a subject like this, is to try to teach it, although there's still a lot to be learned!
That's a great new feature. It's like having Grasshopper inside Archicad.
Yes it's pretty interesting. I think if you come from Grasshopper it probably is easier to pick up. Right now takes much longer to figure out how to set up the nodes than just modeling the shapes and saving as an object, but the parametric options take it a step above for sure!
@@CONTRABIM the reverse would be nice as well. for complicated models if i just model it out it using parameters it should generate the param-o diagram where i can fine tune it.
Ziyad S yes that would be really cool if it could go backwards, we’ll have to wait and see where this tool ends up
It's been a long time coming for this. Better than the script parameters. Next release, this should be a tool once improved and not an add on. Good vid. Nice exploration. Thanks.
Thanks Randy for the comment! Yes it'll be interesting to see the next releases and hopefully some expanded user manuals:)
@@CONTRABIM Yes exciting. A whole batch of our production from a project wanted this exactly for their MEP. Keep up the videos and stay safe.
@Contrabim: To solve the problem with the expression, (minute 19:04) - put the node "Ceil" between the expression and the number distribution. The problem is probably that the result of the expression does not output integers. With "Ceil" you get an integer.
Awesome I'll have to try that! Thanks for the comment!
I like this feature! Thanks for this video!
Thanks for tuning in!
This could be a breakthrough feature. Its the Archicad version of Family editor in Revit. Imagine there will be lots of custom made parametric objects for furniture and every other BIM products. There only a few GDL specialists who were able to do it using the programming interface but now its a truly new beginning. I wonder if its possible to add those 3D Hotpoints where you can visually stretch an object on the screen. Probably they willl add these features and more on future versions..
Great question! I'm sure they'll be building on it, but what's also interesting is how you can continue to open these in the GDL Object Editor and work on it there. Although I've noticed if you re-save from PARAM-O is seems to overwrite any changes. Still learning here more to come!
yes, building paramo object visually in 3d, would be great..
This is breakthrough. Functionality is very limited for now, but Graphisoft said they will extend it so that we can create every geometry can be created with GDL.
Yes it'll be interesting to see where this tool ends up! Thanks for the comment!
Great video, great channel you guys! Keep it up!
Thanks Daniel!
regarding the deck. You would have a Total Deck Size (TDS) and Deck Size (DS). The deck gap (DG) will be the output. So for TDS of 3ft and DS of 2.5in you will get (3*12)/2.5 = 14.4 decks. take the int of it that is 14 decks. 14 decks will take (14*2.5in) = 35in total space. So you are left with (36in - 35in) = 1in to distribute between gaps. Your DG will be now 1in/(14-1) = 0.0769in.
Ziyad S Thanks for the notes, there’s a few methods I’m looking forward to testing out when I can get some time back on this!
Object editor in Grasshopper mode. It would be great if we can edit all the object in PARAM-O. Editing object in GDL is not user friendly. It seams this add-on can visualize GDL . It's really efficient for product manufacturers to build up their product library.
Yes I think with a little work and more testing it can become pretty useful! Thanks for the comment!
I think you can't have the total width and the single deck's width and the gap as variables at the same time.
I'd use one of those three methods instead:
1. set the total width of the table and the number of decks so you can automatically work out the deck's width based on their number. (total width - (n-1) x deck's width= total gaps); (total gaps / n= single gap) where n is the number of divisions.
2. set the number and width of the decks and the table width would be calculated automatically.
3. set the width of the table as variable, the number and width of the decks and the gaps are calculated (total width - (deck's width x deck's number) = total gaps); (total gaps / (number of decks -1) = single gap).
I gonna try asap.
Thanks Hilario! That makes a lot of sense, that it'd be impossible for the even distribution to the edges when both gaps and deck widths are variables, as well as the table width. One has to drive another. I was following the GRAPHISOFT example image and couldn't quite figure that one out, but I'll give it another try, thanks for the comment!
@@CONTRABIM we hope you post an update of your progress soon 😊👌
would it be possible that you make a tutorial about how the view parameter works?
I noticed that when you add the length in all these parameters instead of the global ones, on the 3D modeling the x and y don't change, but the hight it's changed like a marking on the volume, but not the volume itself. Weird. Maybe for the top distribution, replace the formula to a Divide? Idk, I'll try...
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Very good!
Maybe the deck elements should be made out of only one single slab and the gaps should be made out of a hidden geometry that cuts the deck slab into equal pieces!
That's a good idea, but it'll still require me figuring out the spacing and even distribution between two points. I'm playing around with it and will do some more videos soon! Thanks!
@@CONTRABIM on the left I read distribution. Isn't that what you are looking for?
@@Claudiozee Yes I have the number distribution placed in there between the expression and the move nodes, been doing some work on this I'll have some more videos here soon showing what I've learned! Thanks!
@@CONTRABIM champion. Hope the Mac version will come available in few days only >.
I don’t think there us a subtraction node in Paramo. It exists in GDL however, so it would work there
I worked out a way of getting the slats to fit properly. The details are not important, as there are clearly many ways to do it.
Nice, when you get your head around it.
Are there tutorials or guidance on how to use some of the more obscure(to my eyes) features: e.g Move by Vector, Transform Shape etc. I could not guess how to use these from the available documentation.
Nice Dai! Yes the documentation is lacking a bit, I've been busy on some other recordings and product work but I've been wanting to get back into the paramo tools and dive a bit deeper in some tutorial vids.
I think you need to come up with the math formula for the division yourself: if you have N deck boards, you have N-1 gaps and you need to divide A
Thanks for the comment, yes there have been some other good suggestions as well below... I havn't been back in this sample object but coming back with more videos soon!
@@CONTRABIM no worries! I took a closer look and I don't think it's possible to create a smart array without the FOR-TO-NEXT node
Is there a way for someone without any background to learn it? Even though copying the nodes from the image and following the video still cant manage to achieve it... Any helpful recourses?
I cant understand why we use subtraction. What would it mean in the process?
The subtraction is needed, for example, to determine the positions of the table legs. If you simply copy the table leg by the table length, it would end up outside the table by the table leg width. So you need to subtract the table leg thickness to get the correct distance to move it. Make a sketch and try to determine the position of the other legs using variables like table length or table width and table leg thickness. You will find that you need the subtraction.
I hope to have helped a little.
@@llussik Thank you Gallus. I ve started practicing so I am getting familiar with what you re talking about. I hope graphisoft would release any guide book in the future
@@mariosk1016 In fact, there is a user manual from Graphisoft: helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide-chapter/85691/
but it still has a lot of potential upwards ... 🤷♂️
Best to use is the node documentation:
helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide-chapter/85692/#XREF_87448_Node_Documentation
Hi Marios, yes there are some limited technical docs, but hopefully more coming soon especially because of the new formal release just came out. its best to start sloww and try to learn piece by piece and to follow some samples helps!
Thanks for sharing the links!
Can we save PARAM-O object as complex profile object
Great question. I don't believe so at this time...but I could be wrong!
How editable are models, made by paramo then? can the be trimmed by walls, roofs , saved as doors, windows etc? And if we re talking about new features: graphisoft, please make happen right click on object in vice-vera order from mesh converting. So, wall, roof etc can be made from mesh object, that would be something.. Oh and yes, full nurbs support would be nice also, so we don't have to play with all that plug-ins so much...
Great question. Models are editable based on the parameters you set, but I'm not sure about the trimming. Perhaps same as SEO. I agree on the nurbs, that'd be nice! Roofs can be made from meshes, which works really well. I'm not sure how walls would work tho??
why is my param o display dark?
I'm not sure, are you on a Mac? I have not seen that option to go to dark mode, but have not looked for it recently either:)
@@CONTRABIM I'm using windows. If I edit using the sample paramo from graphisoft the display appears (normal)...but when I want to create a new param o object, the display immediately turns dark like when we use a black display.
sunesha mujer, hija kaido mujer, carrot mujer, la 10 ma nakama sera mujer no hay duda. Sunesha fue nakama de joyboy todo indica que sera nakama de luffy.
there should a formula node so that all basic operations like addition, subtraction etc can be done in one node. Otherwise this is going to become an unmanageable mess as your model grows.
Yes it seems like a lot of steps but I think there's a reason for that, since multiple parts of an object may need to be added or subtracted. There may be some ways of better logic to combine things but still a work in progress. Maybe future releases!
thx for video! have to try paramo by myself, but it seems rather complicate. just for this simple table such a web of connections?! and again, no proper help or explanation, so we have to guess ... was with the properties the same ...
Thanks for the comment! Yes it's definitely a different way of looking at creating model geometry, but it's fun (and frustrating) to play with and learn, pushing my mind into a different direction for sure!
This PARAM-O feature will stay half baked just like 98% of Archicad. People at graphisoft are not good at finishing their ideas. They are masters in creating half baked software products.
Now we have Archicad 26 and you recorded this video in AC24...Did people at graphisoft updated this feature....NAHHHH...They will leave it as half baked...
You are not wrong:) Honestly I'm more excited about using the library part maker for objects anyway....