The Sino-American War | Fallout
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Scattered across the wastelands are clues to how the Old World ended, and how the New World began, how the United States of America and the People's Republic of China set off a war that would destroy them both.
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Could you do the Greater Korean Republic/World War III from Homefront?
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Hey im not sure if the simulation from the anchorage dlc is confirmed as a definitive canon on the lore's history.
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There's a tragic element to the humble Fusion Cell found in game. The lore states that it was developed late in the war, and that it WOULD have been a reliable and solid replacement for fossil fuels and solved a lot of the problems. However, by the time it was developed it couldn't be produced in enough numbers and the war had turned too hot.
That and the US government refused to share any research on Fusion technology so as to keep a monopoly on it for their military.
The thing is, you've also got to figure China's historical context into account. The US was, quite literally, getting technologies that were basically 'keys to the kingdom', and China _would never_ bow down to another power without _a lot of_ incentive (i.e., in our timeline, hooking China into the world economy). The post-Opium Wars treaties screwed China that hard.
The US was willing to sell systems, _for a price_, which is something that any China not hooked into the world economy would not abide by.
@@TheTrueAdept Even in our own timeline the C C P refuses to tolerate anything that doesn't give them complete Control and Dominance, or at least the appearance of it.
So the Fallout C C P would be unlikely to have simply purchased technology from the US, if they couldn't steal and replicate it they would have done everything they could to undermine and destroy it (as they do in our timeline) leading to war (as it seems to be in our time) :/
I wonder if the war couldve ended if the US was just like "wait China we made these things called fusion cells, if the whole world knows about it then we can end the resource wars!"
@@dilgrit1598 You have to remember that the Fallout series is also a parody of America. The American government in Fallout was absolutely pure evil. It conducted horrific, tortuous biological experiments on its own innocent citizens. The Nuka Cola corporation had test recipes that made people's teeth decay into nothing in a matter or hours. "My teeth feel really itchy." Pre-packaged foods were basically poison full of chemicals that would slowly kill anyone who ate it over their lifetime. Local governments and companies had no qualms with murdering people to make money. The pollution was SO RIDICULOUSLY BAD that the Earth was already destroyed decades before the bombs dropped. There was a lake near Boston that killed dozens of swimmers because it was irradiated and it was covered up by the government. American soldiers were sent to die in the war with China like cannon fodder. Vault Tec and the pre-war Enclave were the top of the American government and were the worst of the worst. Fallout has its campy, silly moments but it is also one of the darkest depictions of America in any work of fiction.
I’d buy a rts that centered around the early wars in the fallout universe. Could have 4 factions the US, China, European Commonwealth, and the Middle Eastern nations.
Hearts of Iron 4 has a mod called Old World Blues that takes all the post war factions if you're looking for something similar.
@@perrinbesch40 I played that, it’s really an amazing mod!
@@perrinbesch40 that sounds amazing
@@perrinbesch40 Yes, it even has submods, with Capital Wasteland and Enclave. You can restore Enclave to it's former glory and decide if you want to purge all mutants or not.
The game you're looking for exists. It's called Fallout Tactics.
Fallout Tactics is turn-based but playing in "continuous turn-based" mode is as close to real-time as you can get without abandoning VATS combat completely.
"Communists detected on American soil. Lethal force engaged!"
- Liberty Prime
The last Domino falls here
Liberty Prime makes good communists.
@@jesupcolt If by good means dead, then yes. He is a great commie creator.
@@OfficialJohnnySinsGaming, there isn't any other kind of good commie.
@@jesupcolt good one
"War. War Never Changes. It was the inevitable result of the path man had chosen for himself..."
War does change. Now it's a war of propaganda and political battle over information and who can censor the other first.
@@funveeable DO YOU MIND? I was quoting the narration from Fallout Tactics!
shit really, I had my money on guns of the patriots quote
Meanwhile in metal gear.
"War has changed."
@@funveeable That's not literal war. We have plenty real war in the world as of today, and the reasons haven't changed. Just as the Fallout intro says
I didn't realize that an ongoing pandemic was one of the factors that caused the Great War in Fallout, why does that make me feel so nervous aha...
The whole geopolitical lore of Fallout is quite realistic. The Sino American rivalry of today to the coronavirus pandemic and its effect on society, upcoming fuel crisis, automation, nuclear power, etc. Great stuff.
Eh, it'll never happen.
Edit:
I like how I say just four words and everyone's on my ass for it. Lol.
@@nexuslord6831 don't jinx it buddy
@@nexuslord6831 first mistake, assuming it will never happen
At least we aren’t so reliant on fossil fuels as to become cucked when they run out in this timeline…
Real life has become so surreal it's starting to take notes from the Pre-War Fallout universe.
Their games aren't really for me, and I don't think they deserve much praise for their many, many flaws, but I'll say this; This studio has intellectually written and nigh-prophetic lore.
F1 and F2 are both realistic and corny. The creators said that they made a lot of ridiculous stuff and added dark humor because the game would be unplayable if the game would have only "almost everyone is dead and most of survivors will fight each other and die too.
Except in Pre-war Fallout communist sympathizers would be shot dead. Then there's the Starbucks slurping socialists who post on Twitter about how horrible it is that they have to work, whining all day.
Y'know, the ones that stop anything from _actually_ getting done to fix what's wrong with American capitalism, because the people who actually have half a brain get lumped in with them.
@@jakobinobles3263 You realize you folks down there have two socialists in the Whitehouse, right? The dementia patient and little miss race supremacist who'll replace him once he (inevitably) kicks the bucket. They're not working with the Twitter commies, they _are_ the Twitter commies.
@@AiluridaeAureus
blame the socialists for capitalism not working.
gg.
Me: _"The lore is so well-written, I feel like I'm living in that reality.."_
2022:
I wasn’t expected a joke can get that far..
Dang it.
I think we will all get back to this comment soon enough.
Ehm, covid is not a threat. How many people died from it? 2-3 Million in two years?
You realise that these numbers are nothing compared to 8 Billion, right?
So calling covid a "New plague" is really silly.
@@capitaldcolon1795 bruh what?
@Spawn compared it to black plague or spanish flu,2-3 million dead cannot change humankind too much,compared it to world war 1 and 2 with 18 and 60 millions death
hopefully we don't get nuked this time and we still manage to slaughter the CCP
A video about the tripods from war of the worlds would be great
This. We need this.
This would be euphoric
Yes!
Don't forget the tripods enemy HMS Thunderchild.
Aye... I know it'd be hard but try to do the original one rather than the fucking shit ass movies.
I like that stars on both flags looks familiar to each other, reminding us that US and China were not so different in Fallout universe
Eerie stuff, man. Eerie stuff.
Do you think China and USA are very different in our universe? ^^
They're not so different in real life either, both are obsessed with themselves, both driven by profit above all, and both pretend to be a democracy.
@@ImperativeGames I had not said that
@@WrathOfGrapesN7 I like this summary, particularly the last part.
War, war never changes. The hearts of men do, by the paths they choose to walk.
The actual quote was, "It's said war - war never changes. Men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end." - Ulysses
War, war never changes, but humans do, by the road they walk
Indeed
Bitching every step of the way..
They could only wonder when that day comes, the day where they reach the end of the road.
I think you missquoted
@@luska5522 The entire quote was, "It's said war - war never changes. Men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end." - Ulysses
@@loopslytle hell yeah i knew there was something wrong with the original post. Thanks bruh
*looks at America and China at the moment*
hahaha, what a strange and funny Sci-fi world
*starts sweating*
In reality, both powers would back down from the nuclear weapons after one side has wiped out the others navy and air force.
@@theawesomeman9821 no, if they are losing, i bet the enemy would drag his opponents into blaze together, 'launch the nuke!!!!!'
@@theawesomeman9821 Nah, I feel like if US were to whoop China's ass Xi Jinping will just nuke the world out of pure anger. The guy gets mad over whinnie the pooh jokes, so probably would just destroy the world before seeing the great country he built defeated.
"no one knows nuclear weapon more than me, my red button is bigger and better ask gyna"👐
@@bionx9098 “The Great Country” that does what it does to Tibet and Muslims
As a Chinese-American, seeing “sino-American war” kinda made my heart drop; thankfully it’s just Fallout.
A Chinese American tax collector…my god you must look intimidating in a suit
For now......
@@ethanmcfarland8240 Yeah, it’s scary…especially for folks like I.
@@N7-WAR-HOUND I’m 5’5” bro, the only thing that would possibly intimidate people is how fast I can seize their anime figurines through the legal process of finding how much debt they have and using those figures to cover said debt…nah bro, I’m just a couch potato taking my college gap year.
Personally, I think a Sino-American war is likely, with the way China aims to expand it's economy and territory. It's directly threatening US interests. USA has to strike before China becomes the worlds superpower. If they don't, I think it's just a matter of time before China overtakes them. And mindset wise, most Americans don't really know about China, only the tyranny of CCP, communism and Xinjiang, so they will gladly kill Chinese. Meanwhile I'm sure China also has very effective anti America propaganda.
In a thousand years these videos will be found and be know as historical fact. Whatta life we humans live
That's going to be very confusing for the poor soul who finds it
I doubt it, we don't see the Troy as fact in today's age, dispite the story being loosely rooted in fact
Or when they find a copy of metro 2033.
@@Sophie-mv7bd
Digital Paleontologist: now we see here a recipe for Nuka Cola
I remember reading an article about some folks burying cement cuss words. We humans are a jovial bunch, no wonder Jesus is coming back with a firey sword
@@deadskrillaskrit2078 lol
Who else lowkey wouldn't mind a Fallout title set in Post war China. I mean the lore that we got from the cancelled Tactics game talked about China going back to their Imperial roots. There was also mention of US soldiers being scattered across mainland China because they were basically busy invading them.
Maoist Metro with propaganda of PLA soldiers fighting super mutants 🇨🇳
@@LeviathanSpeaks1469 Too bad most of these game companies are too absorbed in creating "Online experiences" which apparently gives you a license to be lazy af and not just not create anything new but also try and stop Modders from creating something
It'll never happen because anything related to China is a minefield, especially on RUclips and Steam. The devs might include a teddy bear in the game, and the real-world chinese government will perceive it as an analogue for Winnie the Pooh, and thus an attack on Xi Jinping, and thus whip up an army to review bomb the game.
This isn't a joke. Look at the South Park episode "Band in China" - the CCP is that petty.
@@alexjgilpin Winnie the pooh isn't banned in China you brainwashed ldlot
Unfortunately, China is shown to be an ocean of glowing slag from the view in Mothership Zeta, so nothing can actually survive there. We're not gonna get a game set in China for a long time, until a time skip of hundreds of years allows us to explore the glassy wastelands there.
The amount of parallels here is honestly terrifying. The scariest part is the apparent lack of self-awareness that some people have to not see it. *glares at them* (edited because words are hard)
Well there is a difference between that world and this one: there's no vaults. No Vaults, no chosen one to take down the Not-Enclave when they start purging the populace.
@@Lightscribe225 No vaults YET. I'd imagine that if nuclear war was as serious of a fear in our world as it is in fallout, the government would fund public fallout shelters. They did so at the height of the cold war. It's up in the air if they'd be used as sick twisted experiments or not.
@@theluftwaffle1 Oh they won't be public anymore - they'll be paid-for-survival vaults unless you have a critical skill for their needs.
@@dm121984 So actual vault tec. I guess those experiments are a given then.
@@Lightscribe225 no vaults you know about, I'm sure bezos and musk, hell even Warren Buffet and Ted Turner all have secret vaults.
War never changes, but the lore does with every Fallout 76 update.
well, Fallout 76 is trying not to break the lore. If you cut off every plot of Fallout 76, nothing will be lost.
@@exilestudios9546 fallout 76 is shit
Fuck Fallout 76. It doesn’t exist. It’s developers never existed. Anyone who says otherwise also doesn’t exist.
BIG JIMMY IS WATCHING YOU
I actually like Fallout 76 as it gives us more stuff on the Old World. Like how big corporations have bought almost all of Appalachia. And how they moved using almost full automation causing worker riots paralelling with the Coal War or Bloody Harlan during 1920 in West Virginia. One thing I also like is how Appalachia wasn’t a direct target like other places we’ve seen in other games. On October 23rd people woke up had their breakfasts. Those who had a job went there and did their jobs (at least for a few hours), as communications were down they were informed of the war later which is again something I really like considering what we saw from the other games.
Man, who knew Fallout designers had such foresight to craft such a rich geopolitical world.
It feels so real, like could reach out and touch it. Oh....
"Fuel shortages made conflict inevitable"
So Great Britain is just LARPing as Fallout?
That’s exactly what’s happening in China too 😬😬
Nah, that:s just the BBC and other mainstream news exaggerating the fuel issue. Local news networks across Britain merely reports delivery delays and supplies are not an issue.
Since the likes of the BBC wanted to remain in the EU, they make every situation bad by bullying the current PM with exaggerated news.
@@Johnlanzer "Since the likes of the BBC wanted to remain in the EU, they make every situation bad by bullying the current PM with exaggerated news"
Which alternate reality are you role-playing at the moment?
@@HiringHamblin I live in the UK, and there isn't an issue of fuel shortages anywhere near me. As usual it's our media blowing things completely out of proportion.
Great Britain is just LARP-ing as a Democracy while being invaded by the freaking 7th Century. O.o
The quote about the plague, quarantine and American attitude towards them sounds eerily familiar.
Thats because those dang Europeans at CERN used thier particle accelerator to shift our world into the Fallout timeline about 70 years ahead of schedule. :/
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that, it’s scarily similar
Fortunately, this isn't the Fallout universe.
@@grayeaglej El Psy Kongroo
@@albertjordan3249 DO NOT PUT BANANA IN MICROWAVE!! O.O YOU DOOM US ALL!!
Sounds like Canada was suffering from taxation without representation...
Great stuff, as usual. Anyone looking for a version of a Sino-American war more grounded in this reality should read "2034" By Elliot Ackerman and Admiral Stavridis. It's a frighteningly plausible take on a potential war.
Thanks for the recommendation
Or just look at the news lol
I’ve read that book, I thought it was really good. I also a read a book about why America will remain the worlds only superpower.
@@michaelandreipalon359 war is approaching in the coming months… probably, remember that democracy is non negotiable!
@@michaelandreipalon359
Here's hoping, I could see US taking out North Korea as well because the reason, it still exists is China. Also I could see some countries released and returning to Nations like Tibet, southern mongolia returned to Mongolia, Xingjiang, and maybe Manchukuo.
From the moment the first human picked up a stone or balled his or her fist not as a tool, but a weapon, the countdown began.
Any tool can be used as weapon. And truth is - the use of tool as weapons predates humanity by hundreths of milions of years...
that is just way of life itself.
@@Paerigos Tis life
That possible future isnt far fetched at all on most parts when you think about it...
Texas is moving towards more nuclear power so the future is looking bright.
@@funveeable no china said it'll plan on taking tiwain by 2025.
@@jbone9900 yeah good luck with that....china doesnt have the logistic warfare knowledge to do anything as it can be their downfall in the first seconds
@@alexandrep.-morin3897 nah I live by fort Bragg nuclear war is not in my interest to say the least.
It’s happening right now
Is it ironic that I was playing Fallout three and was thinking about running Operation Anchorage when this popped up on my recommendations?
Same thing.
Wouldn’t it be a coincidence rather than an Irony then?
Irony would be more, you were playing Fallout 3, were avoiding the Operation Anchorage DLC, but got thrust into it anyway, in spite of your efforts to stay away. This is more a coincidence or perhaps providence or serendipity. You were thinking about it, and this video just popped up at the right time like something inspired. The DLC is great, btw. The textures of the environment and tools you encounter there is beautiful and neat, and the rewards you get are pretty nice, not to mention the extra experience you can get from Operation Anchorage, if you have the Broken Steel DLC and aren't yet max level.
In some regards, an big irony was what the DLC was. There you are, a descendent of war survivors, the Lone Wanderer, trying to find peace and security, away from ever present conflicts while looking for dad, and find this intact bunker that's safe from ghouls, mutants and raiders, but in the act of exploring this safe bunker, you get stuck in a simulation of one of the most brutal military campaigns, and you can't get out until you finish it, being simulated as one of the reasons the bombs fell. You didn't want to be there, canonically, but you got stuck there anyway. Really, who wants to be stuck in and live in the time and situation that resulted in the Great War, after living so long in the aftermath of that devastation caused by it? Fallout 1 and 2 kinda toy with this idea of paradoxical and simulated cause and effect, because of a strange, random discovery by the Chosen One of Fallout 2 that directly resulted in forcing the Vault Dweller of Fallout 1 to embark on the mission of that game (trying to avoid spoilers if you didn't play either of those games).
@@solarianstorm I played all of the Fallouts (even Tactics...)so yes I know about the guardian of forever Easter egg...
Solar Scorcher is fun. Wish it'd make a return in some form.
Ah, I love learning about history before it happens.
Yeah, Pre-history seems to be more and more common in this timeline. And "Conspiracy Theories" get proven true at a rapidly increasing rate. :/ I want off this ride.
@@grayeaglej Well at least in this timeline we have the Internet.
Imagine how the Internet would react to a nuclear exchange, nvm that makes it worse.
@@captain-chair Technically the Fallout timeline did have an internet. Terminals and Pip-boys had become capable of sending and receiving Emails, video files, and images just prior to the Great War, that puts them at an odd place because its less advanced than our timeline was with Home Computers (Terminals) by the 1990s but FAR more advanced than we were with early internet technology where it came to Mobile Communications, but it took them until the 2070s to get there, most likely because they didn't develop the micro transistor until the 2050s where as we had it in the 1970s.
BUT, that also means that in Fallout thier technology which is more reliant on Vaccum Tube Transistors and Macro Circuits is FAR more resilient to Radiation and EMP than our Modern MicroCircuts are, which means that Fallout technology is more likely to survive the GreatWar and subsequent Wasteland than any of our Consumer or even Military equipment.
There is a very good reason all American Nuclear weapons systems still use Computers and Control Systems built in the 1960s and 70s. Its just not viable to upgrade them since it would make them More susceptible to attack. O.o
@@grayeaglej That does make sense, but I assume the Internet remained a nerdy computer science thing and not widely adopted as it is in our timeline.
@@captain-chair Business and government seem to all have had it for communications, same goes for the rich. Vault-Tec as well. So it was actually fairly well established. The problem is most Consumer Grade Terminals did not survive the Great War so we have very limited information on what the Average American may have been capable of doing with off the shelf equipment. Most Pre-War Businesses, Government/Military, and Vault-Tec were using Hardened and Reinforced Equipment. And the Pip-Boys were originally developed for Military Use before being Coopted by Vault-Tec, so that equipment was able to withstand more, have longer battery life, and therefore be available to the player to show Emails, Files, memos etc 150-200 years later. O.o
Also, unlike in our era, the United States and Vault-Tec went through the trouble and expense of Burying Communication and Power Lines all over the Country, particularly between Military installations and Vaults, so that even with surface lines destroyed a large portion of the "internet" system is still intact even 200 years later allowing the Pip-Boys to function and communication between Enclave remnants/eyebots, Vaults, Brother-of-Steel, etc throgh those buried land lines, and a scattering of remaining radio antennas and satellites still connected to those lines.
Long Story Longer... Fallout Lore makes some working technology viable, if the Great War happened today in our world we would be set back to the Iron Age with practically zero people that know how to survive using iron age technology. :/
I would like to see a video on the factions of Warframe. Especially the Tenno, Corpus and Sentients.
Nah, we need a dossier on CLEM
True. That would help, because I understand jack shit of the Warframe lore to be honest.
They should do Destiny races while they are at it.
It would take an hour to cover the Grineer. I know because someone already did. It would be at least an hour each to cover the full scope of understanding these factions.
DE would like that too. but first everyones gotta decide what they are
Templin institute, I have a suggestion for a government organization in sci fi video. I suggest the ADVENT administration from XCOM 2 by firaxis. They have a lot of lore and go into detail about their organization in the game and outside material. They even got some funny stuff thrown in like the advent burger
@XCOM Commander no matter the cost we will push those alien bastards off our planet
Ethereal fighting ethernals 😂 in a nutshell
Hopefully we can keep this is the realm of fiction. Please?
Doubt it. I think it will happen, I just hope we will be spared a nuclear exchange.
It’s looking less like fiction and more like reality everyday now…
It maybe inevitable however the fall may not come in centuries or it may come in decades, the choices we make are still within the realm of possibilities.
Of course it'll be kept fictional.
No way we invent practical power armor before the bombs start dropping
It's great to see High Command return! It's my favorite series you do!
More to come!
@@TemplinInstitute Fantastic!
@@TemplinInstitutebit of an odd request but bring a furry, I’m kinda curious if you have any recommendations on videos that I and fellow furries might enjoy?
I would love to see a return of the Fallout universe, but have it in China. That would be an interesting take on the universe is familiar to everyone, but from a perspective.
It's just not fallout without power armor and super mutants though, and both of those are US exclusive..
@@DeepLyricist not necessarily, plenty of American troops were in China when the bombs dropped. You could hypothetically do a game set in China, playing as a descendent of the US troops that survived the bombs. Plenty of power armor would be left over, since they were being used to cut through the Chinese troops. You could even [and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Fallout 76 presented it as a thing] have those surviving US troops become an East Asian Brotherhood of Steel if Maxon was able to contact them like he did the soldiers in Appalachia. As for mutants, it would be a good way to introduce new enemies. You’d still have Yao Guai, Ghouls, Mirelurks, Radscorpions, Bloatflies, Bloodbugs, etc but can take advantage of more Asia-specific fauna that was corrupted by radiation. FEV can easily be present, just say that some US scientists were present experimenting on Chinese POWs or something.
Long story short, you can still get a very familiar Fallout feel in an unfamiliar setting just using pieces put in place by previous titles
it is sad that interplay got bankrupted, they planned for fallout extreme wich even if bad would show china as the main villain wich means we would have a notion of what is left. now we just have fallout 3 mothership zeta as reference and from what we see it's just a hole
@@DeepLyricistyou'd make a great poster boy for bethesda
I would play Fallout: Shanghai.
A “Sino-American war” seems likely to happen at some point in the 21st century. Tensions between China and America are high and a conflict could start over the South China Sea.
this, the new plague and lockdowns... seems familiar
I'd gladly be there protecting Taiwan from an incursion.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 why tho?
Thucydides Trap, when tensions rise because a rising power threatens the position of the dominant/ruling power. Happened between the French and British many times, America and British in 1812, both world wars, Cold war, and now between China and America.
That's not gonna happen.
America and China's economies, along with the world economy, are too tightly entwined for there to be open war between those two superpowers. The United States is no longer the old United States of the Western Bloc, and China isn't Soviet Russia.
"Enveloped every nation in nuclear fire" … damn, so Australia getting nuclear submarines made us a target?
Australia was always a target tbh
@@Fr0st1989 what the hell does a mutated emu look like
Nightmare bird.
It's not mad if a large population center survive. It's a scorched earth policy. (still, in reality, only allied states will be attacked too in that situation, but the nuclear fallout is still global)
From what I know, in the fallout universe many more countries had nukes, unlike IRL
"With masses of ignorant and selfish people growing impertinent over national quarantine"
_oh no_
Seems familiar, doesn't it?
Don't you just hate it when life imitates art sometimes.
Of course. However the real plague is a political one in which the peasants get lockdowns, vaccines, masks, and economic depression while the rich elites get parties, no masks, and freedom. Clearly one group doesn't fear the plague while the other has been tricked into fearing it.
@@funveeable Millions laying dead are still not enough for you?
@@evoluxman9935 millions of poor peasants. The rich like Obama don't really care. Rich people don't die from Covid
Is that lore on the plague in 2553 new? I don't remember hearing about it before and its incredibly relevant at the moment.
it's not new it was definitely mentioned in fallout 3 maybe even earlier I think it is usually referred to as the blue flu or the new plague
*2053
You might have read stuff in game about blue boils and flu like symptoms in people in the games thats what they were referring to
It's not mentioned much in later games, but it was a big part of the backstory of the first Fallout game. The New Plague was bio-engineered as a weapon by the US government, but got out of the lab and led to a global pandemic in the 2050's. FEV was originally developed as a treatment for the plague, but of course, it failed and we see the results in the games.
The Point Lookout DLC for Fallout 3 involves the New Plague in the region's backstory, and in fact it is implied that the New Plague is the same disease that McCready's son has in Fallout 4, as his symptoms are mentioned as being identical to those of the New Plague.
New Plague was mentioned in Fallout Bible(Dev's Q&A back when F1 and F2 were released)
You know this video hits a lot different when you realise that it's series of events are VERY similar to the ones going on in the world right now
We haven't built Liberty Prime, yet.
Funny thought, Liberty Prime sponsored by Amazon Prime.
Theyre really not. the only real similarity is china and america disputes and nato allies having rough ties at the moment. Other than that soviet russia is still thriving in 2077 and actually on good terms with america. Irl china is starting to become the power economy of the world. Plus because of covid, businesses run by independent entrepreneurs are going extinct and corporations are replacing them. in fallout america uses sanctions to destabilize mexico inorder to have the excuse to march their troops in and take direct control of their oil. Then just so that they can have easier access to the oil pipeline running to alaska america actually annexes canada. However, oil isn't necessarily used as fuel. It gets worse. America completely solved the energy crisis on their own. They had actually developed the technology to totally harness nuclear energy as a totally endless power supply. But they deliberately didn't share it and kept the technology to theirselves. Irl, plutonium nuclear energy is levels above uranium and is starting to prop up around the world. The world in 2077 looks nothing like what we're approaching irl in 2021.
@@gpheonix1 irl china is actually coming apart. hundreds of companies are moving shop to indea, vietnam, taiwan and korea. The chinese economy is about to crash 08' style look up evergrande crisis.
@@therealmaxilist china is actually going to demographically collapse because of the 1 child policy
@@therealmaxilist interesting and especially so to see if China will let any of that happen. The thing is companies in China aren’t really independent companies. They’re all state governed in a sort of way. Basically the cop has all control over the companies, the CEOs can make business decisions. However, the cop has ultimate control and can force the whol company to do what they want it to do. This is why they say China a capitalist economy, but not exactly.
“Death is a preferable alternative to communism”
-Liberty prime speaking words of wisdom
Notice how there aren't any communists in the post-war Wasteland. Really makes you think, doesn't it?
@@cramer4506 McCarthyism was great wasn’t it?
😎
me when i am incapable of nuance
Me when I'm capable of violence
"with masses of ignorant and selfish people growing petulant"... very astute prediction. I suppose like war, humanity never changes.
Except the US population in Fallout never reacted like that.
and the plague
Freedom isn't selfish. I'm tired of being locked in my house or wearing a mask for a disease I've already had and recovered from. People wouldn't be dying from this thing if they took care of their health anyway. The government just wants control, don't get it twisted.
@@Walter_Stroud its a video game story, who cares
@@nebulaone908 “If people took care of their health” Lmao
The scariest part is that this hits pretty close to home. If this happens in the real world, I don't know if my country or even my loved ones will survive
It's hard to say for sure. I have the same fears, but the best thing we can do for ourselves and our own is to stick together and find solutions as the potential scenario progresses.
Those are the kinds of questions that make survivalists. I'd suggest you start reading.
Always depend of what scale (number of targets) and what type of bomb (conventionnal ICBM or cobalt bomb) would be use. Worse case scenario (full scale multinations nuclear war with over 18000 warheads, with is still not realistic since a lot of it are not ready to launch at anytime. Combined with the use of neutron/cobalts bomb. We are looking at a tomb earth scenario, alias a mass extinction event).
Luzon would be glassed first.
Visayas and Mindanao due to its numerous islands would probably be left alone.
I really think Vault Tec starting the nuclear exchange was a bit far.. it would've made more sense for the Chinese or America to start it off. Also I will add the experiments in the Vault would've made more since. Vault tec might have needed to do these experiments knowing if they didn't.. humans could never live on the earth again. It would've been a necessary evil and would've had some depth rather than what the motivate was for Vault tec in the show.
Vaul-Tec had intentions to do so- but is stated china struck first.
It's disturbing how more and more relevant Fallout's lore is becoming
Glorious indeed
Let's go, one of the coolest storylines for gaming IMO!
Let's hope this doesn't become a documentary and remains a fiction
War, war never changes
War was always changing getting so modern at this era after the Iraq War and Afghanistan war that military theorist know that war war is changing in our universe but theirs is perfect it never changes
Cyber warfare: hold my beer
@@Commissar_Eiven The point of the quote is that the core aspects of war never change. People suffer, countries are destroyed, and in the end it only benefits the ruling class.
@@pixel6698 s*** brother I've been playing since fallout 2 to 3 and New Vegas which is the best one you can't change my mind that's deep I never thought it like that pixel guru
Sabble Dash war Sino American war
This is awesome. I always love hearing about the origin wor of Fallout. It makes me wonder about smaller, more remote countries like Argentina or New Zealand. Does the Panama Canal have special Mirelurks?
That day America declared a war on sinuses.
Lol my dude that was an underrated comment
2:30 "With masses of ignorant and selfish people..." Yes. We are seeing them in real-life now.
Yep
You dropped your Ushanka, Comrade.
@@TornadoADV In fallout, people who resisted mandates to quarantine were the communist traitors. Something you wanna tell us Ivan?
@@Lightscribe225 I never said I liked the feds. Hate em.
@@sparta2705 Sounds like commie talk
Giving me chills like always templin
ONE small error: The first of the resource wars was the Second Mexican American war, not the Commonwealth Middle East war.
Holy shit, I had no idea how bad I need this until I saw it, just made my fucken day.
This sounds like a prequel to the Holy Solar Empire from Stellaris Invicta.
Thank you, this was a most comprehensive and enjoyable summary of the Sino-Amercan War. As a background junkie and avid player of Fallouts 1; 2; 3; New Vegas; and a decent chunck of 4: I think I could've only explained 80% of it, and it would've taken me an hour. :D
Insert "Communism is not an Option" reference.
Edit: Insert "Accusation of being Communist" in the comments here.
Tell that to our dang Western Governments because they seem to be all-in for it. :(
Is it just me or are the events leading up to the Great War actually more interesting than the rest of fallout lore
Also if you’re reading this, I recommended reading through the fallout wiki about pre-war events. There’s a lot of interesting things there that you might otherwise not have known about the world of fallout.
Are y'all sure this isn't fiction? Because fallout history is scarily accurate to real life.
Until Europe and the Middle East burns in nuclear fire first...
2:34 did I... did I hear that right? Wow, fallout. Getting humanity's responses to disease right, before a major one occurred again. If only more people saw games as more than just "entertainment". If only they saw them as cautionary tales, like fallout and many others are.
"...but perhaps the greatest casualty was the United Nation..."
I'm not sure about that one.
...fair...
When cooperation died...
I can only assume they mean greatest as in best not biggest.
@@RussianNikolaiDa No, I understood thats what they meant.
I love these videos. The robot voice makes me feel like I am listening to some sort of data terminal recording.
I am literally playing Operation Anchorage and get this notification
Get those briefcases yet?
@@thestanleys3657 same
Interplay in 1997: "And then politicians used the panic of the plague and re-porpoused it by blaming China, their strategic rival and calling those who opposed them as subversive elements".
Me in 2021: "Hmmmm".
Not really, Fallout Bible/Van Buren's surviving story plans actually make it very clear the New Plague was a released by a Chinese Agent. Accidentally or not is unclear. As the New Plague was developed by the US, but given the various safe guards in place to stop it, which would have collectively been the primary "antagonist" faction for Interplay's Fallout 3, it's unclear if it was meant for use as a weapon or for medical research as is done today with well, all of them.
So, a panic about infiltrators when one such infiltrator was responsible for the release of a disease that quickly grew out of control, one that was so virulent Nuking Denver was on the containment docket, isn't an irrational response.
I mean, China was not all blameless there. Yeah, the US was now a fascist and authoritarian nation that just recently invaded and annexed Mexico, but China quite literally invaded in order to take Alaska, not to mention is quite possible that they were the ones who frist dropped the bombs.
But in the end, it doesn't matter. There were not good guys in the story, the entire planet was awful during the final days.
China lied, people died
Why is this actually so relatable to nowadays
This is better than any science fiction film I’ve ever seen hands down!!!!
OG Fallout and their pre-war story was a warning......
A warning to the Power of nukes, to McArthyism...... and that our resources are limited
I would love a video on fallouts post war factions
Future video suggestions: The Fall of Cadia, the Siege of Terra, the Siege of Vraks, Battle of Tukayyid, the Amaris Civil War, the Succession Wars, the Clan invasion, and the War of the Worlds.
Resource crisis ✓
U.S-China rivalry ✓
The “new plague” ✓
The Third Red Scare✓
A more agreesive China✓
……
……oh shit……
The templin institute, you are the dream channel i have been looking for my whole life
The scary part about this is that this could eventually happen
We better hope no nation decides to start it.
This channel is a masterpiece in presentation
I always wondered what happened to the american expedition force sent to invade china
Probably nuked aswell, american forces managed to invade peking (again) during the mainland campaign. China was losing hard the campaign there
That depends on how well shielded their vehicles are from initial emp and radiation as well as how good their supply lines were.
@@arevalones I think similar to the Chinese submarine in the Boston harbor I can see maybe a small American colony trying to get back home to the states. Only to come home to a new republic in the former state of California
@@yaboichangkaishek3460 that would be so weird for the poor guys.
@@arevalones or even the West coast enclave could’ve gotten in contact with U.s soldiers in mainland China during the early years in fallout
Great video The Templin Institute.
You know how they say Real life depicts faction?
Well our real World is slowly becoming Fallout's World.
Not really, but somewhat similar. We're going to run out of resources on this planet soon but we can only hope we come up with a solution instead of progressing highly dangerous weapons.
I'll happen if politicians are not calm enough
“In a resource war, the victor is whoever can fight most efficiently.”
Great job as always!
Hows your lumbago?
"Everyones favorite Uncle" - Arthur Morgan - RDR2
What if Fallout 4 released a DLC campaign set during the Sino-American War? I mean, the Lone Survivor literally narrates on his experiences at the beginning of the game, and It would be cool to see more of the world prewar.
This kinda feels like real life with recent events
"War never changes"
Love the lore and your channel
Damn, looks like the plague came 30 years early
4:45
Y'know, I'd love to see a Beyond the Wire type of game where it takes place in the trench networks of the Sino American war in alaska. That'd be hella cool
*Waits to see if Potential History shows up whining; "but war always changes, this video is proof of it"; categorically missing the point*
"Death is a perferrable alternative to Communism." Liberty Prime spittin facts.
Operation Condor: Alright bois, time to torture and kill our citizens before the commies get them xD
Despite this during the great war the US allowed some soviet diplomats to take shelter within the Vaults (a notable one being a diplomat from the USSR consulate in Los Angeles taking shelter in vault 13), whilst the USSR survived a lot longer than it did in reality (only ending during the great war), publicly it was overtaken by the PRC, however despite it now being the junior threat it was still treated atleast in public much the same as china with the US and USSR spying on one another and the US military fearing that in the event of a nuclear exchange with china that the USSR would back it's communist neighbour. However behind closed door's the relationship between the united states government and USSR were at an all time high by 2077 as the USSR wasn't throwing itself behind the Chinese during the Sino-American war - tldr behind closed door's the US govt was willing to work with at least in their eye's at the time, the lesser commies.
@@tootyfruity70 That's just what happened in real life but inverse. China was seen as "the lesser commies", so the US worked alongside them against the Soviets. One example of this is the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where China sided with the US and the Mujahideen and sent supplies and weapons to the rebels. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as they say.
Canada wasn't a team player.
Ironic that people quote Liberty Prime when the attitude espoused by the huge inefficient war machine was exactly what ended the world.
Great video! It was chilling listening to it... almost felt real...
You should make a video about Equestria at War for gits and shiggles.
for real though that mod can go dark path something Remember Anbennar whit the Star Elve where you can casually use the ruinborn as fuel
@@aoki6332
Or the Black Crusade... That ending is just ambivalent.
Ah yes, The best mod for Hoi4 that no one talks about.
Woah.
What great timing.
Today (10/1, GMT+8) is the 72 anniversary of the People's Republic of China.
2:30 nice swipe there 😏
Holy crap that is grim ! but I loved it, notably for the links to real-life propaganda and allusions to history. Lest we forget, is a very sad sentence, as we all know we are still today led by sociopaths who will repeat horrific insanity for greed and pride.
Believe or not, my positions in real-life are not pessimistic, as defeatism and discouragement just help sociopaths continue to rule, without hope. EDIT: I forgot that I must specify I do not follow nor support conspiracy theories of any sorts. I am only referring to hardline, factual, violence (notably wars) and injustice (international injustice is massively deadly). Climate change also will have an impact and is a current challenge.
The worst part is that in the Broken Steel DLC for Fallout 3, you can actually see that American and Chinese diplomats were scheduled to have a meeting only a few days after the Great War occurred
Hmm, I didn't notice, can you be a little more specific?
(As I was more focused on not getting killed by a bunch of purists in scary suits of armor)
@@azazel166 During the Broken Steel DLC, there's a point where you need to go through the Presidential Metro Station. On your way through the metro station, you can talk to a Pre-War AI who's in charge of managing the metro systems and the AI is unaware that a nuclear war has occurred. If you have a high enough speech skill, you can trick it into thinking you're an army officer or something, and then the AI will tell you about the scheduled diplomat meeting.
@@tgcx4554 I see, thanks.
China and us: write that down write that down
"The rapid spread of a new plague... with masses of ignorant and selfish people growing petulant over the introduction of a national quarantine."
This sounds strangely familiar...
The thing that never changes about war is that war never stops changing.
"Masses of ignorant, selfish people grown petulant over the introduction of a national quarantine."
Well, that's a particularly relevant line.
Corvid isn’t that level to where you incels need a massive lockdown
Amazing!!! I've been binging fallout 4 so this is just next level!! 12/10
Wow nice modern quarantine commentary you slipped in there. Extremely subtle. Almost didn't catch it.
What are you talking about? That's exactly how it played out, read the wiki.
not modern. people act like that during every plague tbh. Its just predictable.
@@Lightscribe225 No it didn't, people didn't rebel against the lockdowns in Fallout until they were starving and shivering in the dark.
@@TornadoADV Well we got shivering in the dark going on in Texas.
Plot Twist Vault Tech dropped the first bomb
When did the templin institute switch from lore videos to prophecy?
When they started talking Fallout.
Simpsons... 🤔
There's a growing rumor within Fallout Lore that West-Tek was responsible for actually flinging the nukes. Go back to Megaton and Really Look at that bomb that didn't explode.
You'll see a Vault-Tek logo on the bomb.
actually, the Chinese did not start the nuclear war, it was vault tec that dropped the first in the us, and then the chain started to happen. Look at the logo of the bomb in megaton, it has a vault tec logo.
Not at all, the Switchboard computer in 4 got the infornation from the inteligence agency, unless somehow the vault tech made an entire fleet of fake submarines.
Expanded Fallout universe would be cool.
Like Fallout China. Or Fallout Africa or Fallout Europe.
Imagine Fallout in a country that used to have strict gun laws. With a sort of neo medieval society springing up.
Even countries that have strict gun laws have guns in the hands of their police, gangs, and military. After an apocalypse those guns would flood the rest of the country.
Anyway Fallout is an inherently American setting. I’d rather they keep focusing on the areas of America they haven’t covered.