Congratulations, keep on going strong, your videos are excellent and inspirational. I had a newfound appreciation for the world of competitive running since the middle of last year, especially after i found out about Eliud and his breaking 2 project. I've enjoyed running ever since, I'm now running distances that i never thought i could achieve and i feel like I'm finally starting to be in control of my body that has been overweight ever since the start of my teenage years. Of course i still have a long way to go to improve myself but you and your channel are an important part of that journey and I wanna thank you for all the inspirations i have found. Once again, a big thank you and good luck for the future of Total Running Productions
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It sucked, was a huge disappointment for Stember, and it was a huge race, but this video's narration is over the top. A lot of runners with right mind set would have shaken this off and not disappeared for 3 years. Plenty of runners have complete dud races in their careers. Just bad days on the track.
Thanks guys! Didn't know that back story. It seems like Webb was already inside Stember's head, I suppose. Either way, I agree with the 'stay humble/let your races do the talking' mantra. You're only as good as your last race, Niki Lauda used to say.
I doubt it. He will likely see that amazing 1995 video of him crushing the 1400. It has millions of views and Metallica playing over it. Awesome video.
@@lucaswallo8127 He, as in leaverus, is probably a child. So I was asking RS1 to kindly let his ignorant question slide, about the video quality, because those who where adults in that era, 90s - 2000s, knew the camera quality was still quite bad compared to today's standards. Would you like me to go slower?
@@DefeatLust But RS1 answered the question respectfully, then you came in all condescending like you're something special (newsflash: you're not) so you can respond as fast or as slow as you want because everyone sees the same thing. A worthless shitbag. Get over yourself.
@@markula_4040 Oh, nice and then you try and show me a lesson to not act rude by calling me a shit bag. Very high i.q this one. My brother, I was only joking around. I know nothing of our friend. He could be born in the 60's for fuck all I know. YOU took it how you took it. I never name called anyone either, so...? Lmao. I think perhaps you meant that advice for yourself. Good luck.
that’s exactly how am i watching this. was looking for somebody to comment this before i did. kinda sucks that someone who did something that awesome as a high schooler is the kind of person to put others down
That "Godspeed" video is one of the most inspiring, motivating, kick-ass videos that really gets me pumped. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about it now. Something has died inside me.
Does his 405 equivalent mile that day compare to Thom Hunt's indoor 402 on a short, terrible wooden track twenty years before it? No. The godspeed video is overhyped. Great suprise tactics for a HS race, gutsy and brave, but not good tactics when you race actual college and pro runners. I don't see it as any type of revolution. What happened in the US between that race in 1995 and the emergence of The Big Three? Not much except a few great HS times and some burnout.
Just something I wanted to mention - This is all speculation, but Webb's move to open the gap between him and the rest of the field almost perfectly mirrors Stember's performance at the 1995 CIF state meet, where he ran a 1:56 last 800 after a 2:08 opening half, winning by almost 50 meters in a race many considered to be a elite-level performance at the time, also setting a new meet record. Obviously I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if Webb chose this racing strategy to humiliate Stember even more than he already would have, by using Stember's trademark strong, ending drive/kick against him.
@MX ZQ That's an excellent point. Until I read your comment I was wondering how Stember not only lost, but lost so decisively, finishing next to last. Your observation explains it. That taunt by Stember in the semi lit a fire in Webb's belly. In the final Webb pulled a Stember on Stember , and Stember just gassed not only physically but more so mentally when he realized his own claim to fame was now being used against him. The mental defeat was the main reason he took 3 years off afterwards.
@@TheNYgolfer There is no doubt. Michael was done after that brilliant piece of racing by Webb...who, btw, was no great tactician, but Stember certainly pissed him off and Webb had the capability to run like a top 3 world miler when he was motivated....certainly had the wheels when he raced smart. No sympathy for Stember, all deserved.
Truth to that.... Why would you disrespect a guy who nearly ran a 3:50 mile a month before, and was in the best shape of his life? Insanity. That Jesuit and Stanford education doesn't always translate, ha? LOL.
Stember really had no pro career anyway, so not much of a setback. His pro career was a joke, his Olympic berth was coming off a great senior college season at Stanford, he was in the best shape of his life. He did not progress in the pros, he digressed. But he was a d.b. so no suprise.
Webb is the one who defeated him. Webb kicking his running into high gear, at a point where no one would normally in that type of race, forced Stember to attempt to catch him. This caused him to exhaust himself early and it also demoralized him mid-race. Essentially, Webb spanked him mid-race.
@@mikeymoo1291 as an athlete you stay humble but also competitive. You are never going to admit someone is better than you in an interview. You might think he is better but you don’t admit it. Stember was an absolute joke, being so confident is bound to bite you. Like if you ask a politician if they are going to lose they are never going to say yes I am going to lose. You just don’t do that.
I went to high school with Alan Webb. He destroyed us all at the mile. He'd be done on the bleachers while we were starting our 2nd lap. Man's a running machine and I was so bummed he didn't go farther in olympics. South Lakes High School, Reston VA. Represent.
To T.R.P. Great narration. You bring life into this event, having the ennui audience perk-up and become glued to their seats with eyes affixed to the screen.
I was there. It wasn't that he just put on a surge with 200 to go, he basically did a 100 on 100 off workout for the last 700 of the race, sprinting the straights and coasting the corners. This was not really covered in the commentary. It was unreal! He made everyone look bad! I wish he had more success in international championships.
David, spot on. He did the same thing at the Pre Meet the month before. I was there, and saw that exact same thing. Webb was truly a perfectly tuned mile machine in early summer 2004, so besides that fact he always struggled in heats and tight packs at big international meets, it is clear that he peaked way too soon in 2004 before Athens even began.
Dennis, I think he showed he was a better person by not doing that. I do understand what you are saying. He made his point as this Video shows. John, Australia.
Stember's lucky he didn't get disqualified in the Semi. A runner is supposed to "maintain his line so as not to purposely intefere with other runners." Can't tell how far back the guy is who Stember passed in front of but if that guy had registered a protest, Stember might have been disqualified. There must have been some past issues with Webb and Stember for all that trash talk to happen during a race of such importance. Even so, stupid on stember's part. Webb ran a great, smart race, hard to win a mile by leading all the way. After his acceleration, the other guys were concerned with finishing in the top three, as that's who makes the Olympic team, if their time is fast enough.
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@@ShekharSuman1 Hi, unfortunately no. I decided to run 6 days per week and ended up getting a stress fracture that took months to heal. I'm not as young as I used to be and should have known better. The goal is to start as soon as the weather gets warmer at the end of winter and get back on track. I'm still motivated and just need the weather to cooperate with me.
@@ShekharSuman1 . I used to run 3-4 times per week many years ago and never suffered any type of injury. New runners need to let the body build strength over a few weeks before going all out. This was a big lesson and one I won't forget when I get back to running. Stay safe. Thanks!
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Thanks for sharing this race video! It's almost like Webb studied Stember's high school state finals kick from the "godspeed" video and used it against him! What a clap back!
I saw Webb run a couple times earlier that season and he was without any peer. He was at the absolute peak of his ability in the early summer 2004. If he had run a time trial, he could have gone 3:46 that season, I really believe that. He ran tactical championship US races however.
In any race 1/2 mile or longer, the 3rd quarter of the race is when guys win or lose. The strategy I used was to run MY pace the first half. I could feel my pace and had teammates give me split times. Then came the dreaded 3rd quarter of the race. That part of the race where runners really struggled. That's when you follow your pre planned strategy to run that quarter with all you got. Don't worry about the 4th. That will take care of itself since that quarter you can see the finish line. It's always the 3rd quarter that psychology kills guys. To protect yourself from that, you plan to wait until the 3rd quarter to strike. Not only do you protect from the psychological problems with that portion of the race.... you exacerbate the psychological problems of your opponents. That strategy, one it came to me, made me a better runner than guys who were better than me in pure talent. I didn't have the ability so I found a way to win with psychological dominance.
I love this. Your recent content, to me, seems like it has been reaching because there is no real news going on. This was spectacular though. I've never even heard about any of this, but you told a great story. Keep it up :)
"No matter how good you are, there's always someone better". In other words, stay humble. I, and my peers were told that repeatedly as kids.(not just in sports but in anything) I don't know why grown adult athletes can't grasp that.
I think I know what was going on inside Michael's head because the same thing happened to me. This kid who well call John had first joined XC. He ran a 5k faster then me (19:53) and my first 5k was 21:57. He bragged that he was faster than me despite the fact that I had been running for a year which was true at the time. However, at one point I got the runners high and started to really get into running and even watched the first sub 4 minute mile by Roger Bannister which really inspired me. I suddenly started to really climb up and my 5k times were getting faster and faster. It was only by around 5-6 seconds per race but it was faster nontheless. I think when I hit 21:47 on a really slow course and he ran that same race at 20:56, he started to get really scared and tried to throw insults at me to try to scare me. But I talked to my coach about it and he said not to worry about the kid and just focus on myself and enjoying being around people that I liked and were positive. So I keeped that in mind and didn't let a few insecure words anger and scare me. On the second to last 5k I got 19:54 and he got 21:05 and he was crying at the end of the race, however I tried to encourage him even though he did insult me many times in the past. Even after I tried to comfort him and try to be positive, he STILL insisted, aggressively that he was faster then me and that I just got really lucky. However on the last 5k we ran on a course that was really fast and in my head I was like "welp time to see the egotistical kid get sub 18, nice knowing you guys" and then I ran a time of 19:21, getting a pr by 33 seconds, meanwhile John got second to last. So I think Michael got really scared and tried to get into Alan's head and try to scare him so he wouldn't do very good but then backfired.
Running's popularity all of a sudden got a boost, partly because of the sub-2 marathon by Kipchoge, and because it's such a versatile sport (maaany various distances and courses).
Totally missed opportunity for any broadband company, to sponsor this guy and use some kind of slogan that involves them claiming, to have the fastest web speed than anyone.
Let that be a lesson to anyone trying to humiliate another before a final race. When I was a teenager I was always last to be picked for athletics races. I was very slow and always last or second to last in my year at school. 35 years later (no I will never be an Olympian) I have taken a full half hour off my 10,000m time and finished in under an hour for the first time aged 53 (in 2018) beating many younger runners in the race. To say I was chuffed was an understatement.
I think it’s important to have some greater context that this was a coming together of two runners at very different points in their careers. Stember’s peak was certainly around 2000 when he made his first Olympic team while at Stanford. Webb was in the ascendancy and this race was probably the best US champ performance he’d have until 2007 (when he beat Lagat and also screamed at the finish). While I don’t agree with Stember’s actions, I think he was looking at this young kid coming up in the sport and feeling like his experience would prevail over Webb’s raw talent. Ultimately it didn’t work but I feel for Stember as there was certainly expectation after his previous trials performance and the hometown crowd.
Exactly Mitchell. I guess Stember didn't watch the Bowerman Mile a month before the Trials... Webb was in 3:50 mile shape, Stember was a stale pro runner with no time progression in 4 years.
So we all acknowledge that Stember peaked his senior year at Stanford. He was a lazy, ineffective narcissist as a pro under Coach Gags. A wasted talent. At least Webb worked his ass off as a pro, with much less high level coaching, and ended up with an American record no one will break in my lifetime. Stember was a pro bust.
Stember regressed as a pro. All you have to do is ask his pro coach Gags about Stember's pro career. His heart and mind weren't in it. He was lazy as a pro, and his times showed it.
He was a big inspiration for me as a high school runner. Too bad he ended up working to destroy the environment and women's rights as a GOP congressman.
I was there at Hornet Stadium in Sacramento for that 1500m Final. My wife and kids were there as well. The whole stadium was speechless when Webb instantaneously opened that gap, even the sprint and field people who didn't know a whole lot about middle distance racing where mesmerizing. When Webb took off, my first reaction was to yell to Stember to race for second to insure a spot on the Olympic team, but there was no hesitation from him. He went after Webb. Olympic spot was not on his mind. He was in front of friends and family members (he grew up in Sacramento and ran at Jesuit High, and the announcer made sure he mentioned this to the crowd right after Webb took off) and he wasn't running for second. The cheers at the end for Webb was loud and went on forever, even the families of the hurdlers and sprinters were giving him long standing ovations. On a side note. I took a picture of the start of one of the Women's 200m Semi heats (our seats were right at the 200m start). Lane 4 was empty. It was for Marion Jones. She did not show up last minute. At that point, she was not accused of anything, but there were rumors being spoken around that start line. I also have high-quality high-resolution photos of the 1500m. One of the pictures showed Webb when he took off, and the gap he opened up. His facial expression well captured (hey, photography is my second biggest hobby). Any body interested in seeing these? I need to buy video software that can handle my high resolution photos if I want to post them in RUclips.
Not interested in the photos, but a nice story. I have tons of similar photos from the famous 2006 Webb/Ritz/Fam 10K race at Stanford where all 3 ran under 27:40 in Webb's 10K debut...and his last 10K..LOL. He said it destroyed him for an entire year. But he did return and set the American record in the mile the following year. What a talent.
What he learned (and what my college rival learned at our regional championships after she literally tried to trip me during semi) is that you don't make people ANGRY when you're about to race them. They will come for you and feel GREAT doing it.
Weird I get this vid right after I was reminiscing about the times I used to run 50-60 laps around a track once or twice a week, and thinking someday I might have the chance to be a Olympian runner, but I was overweight at the time, weighed over 200, and thought I was too old to start, even though I was only 23 back in 2004. RUclips must be psychic! They even read people's minds!
Thanks for the video TRP, always look forward to your new releases! I can't help but feel for Stember here. He clearly had talent, but was just a little bit too cocky. It also seems as though he was quite humbled, if not deeply affected by this loss. I get it: if you talk trash, you better be able to back it up. However, the title just seems a little bit harsh. Emphasising words like defeat, failure, humiliating; minimises the unfathomable effort and hard work of the other competitors. Winning a big race is not the be-all and end-all but rather one final accomplishment to add to an already outstanding progression of achievements that got them to the start line.
Cocky? Yes indeed. People finally saw the cocky, very self centered Stember many of us knew well before that embarrassing Semi final display. Sorry, no sympathy. I never heard that he apologized to Alan for the classless display. Hopefully he is a changed human being. Mike bragged about cutting fish for celebrities in his later career. Good for him. Makes up for a bust of a pro running career.
Turns out Michael isn't even cooking for celebs anymore...only for 20something hipsters without much money in a sketchy Brooklyn neighborhood bar. Look up Ponyboy. A HS legend to Stanford, to Olympics, to a nothing, lazy ass pro career, to a nothing solar career, to cutting fish in front of Elon Musk, to making appetizers for 25 year old hipsters in some Brooklyn bar.. Progress? LOL. Not sure he progressed in life.
Holy moly, that dude kicked on an afterburner. That was an impressive gap he made. Boy he was concerving his energey, he waited at the perfect moment pressed the nitrous button and shot out like a cannon ball, that was impressive indeed. Proven once again, humility will always triumph, never mess with the quite mad scientists, they're a power to be reckoned with!
I always thought it was weird that track distances are 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, and then 1500m. For consistency, it seems like they should be running 1600m. An added benefit for Americans is that 1600m is almost exactly a mile (99.4% of a mile).
@@muneebi8273 Yes its very deep - so is this quote: If you can't see the angles no more, you're in trouble So the movie Carlio's Way must have been written by a God. Cause look- We have an average every day occurance and I can find a quote from the movie that really is applicable!
Track definitely needs videos like this and you do a great job! Nice references too, like super saiyan. And great music in the background.. btw, 3:53 mile sounds fucking horrible.. 4:41 made me see waves in the track.. it’s amazing how special some people are!
Looks that way, but not really. The top three runners in this race advanced to the Olympics, so the reality is that no one in the top five was giving up. My guess would be that the rest of the field decided that the real race was for 2nd and 3rd.
Interesting. I always thought that Webb still needed the A-standard for the Olympics at the time of the trials hence taking off and front running the entire race.
Not true. He had run way under the standard for 1500 during his Bowerman Mile victory a couple months before in Eugene. Best shape of his life. 3:49 mile shape in Sacramento.
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Congratulations, keep on going strong, your videos are excellent and inspirational. I had a newfound appreciation for the world of competitive running since the middle of last year, especially after i found out about Eliud and his breaking 2 project. I've enjoyed running ever since, I'm now running distances that i never thought i could achieve and i feel like I'm finally starting to be in control of my body that has been overweight ever since the start of my teenage years. Of course i still have a long way to go to improve myself but you and your channel are an important part of that journey and I wanna thank you for all the inspirations i have found. Once again, a big thank you and good luck for the future of Total Running Productions
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"Showing off is the fool's idea of glory."
-Bruce Lee
Lee sure did alot of that lol
@@strongholds12 guy could back it up tho 😅
@@strongholds12 not at the level he should. Hes probably just gave sneak peaks of himself
@@goodcat1982 So you're suggesting that one must be a philosopher in order to make a quote?
@@goodcat1982 the fuck he wasnt a philosopher.
Sure youtube, Ive never run a day in my life but lets watch running videos now.
How is RUclips supposed to know if you’ve run or not
You should start. It literally requires a pavement and shoes. It’s really fun and good for your health!
Never too late to start
Lol you can start running in your backyards today
I've been getting so many in my recommendations
That’s why as an athlete you need to stay humble. Because you never know when something like this will happen.
It sucked, was a huge disappointment for Stember, and it was a huge race, but this video's narration is over the top. A lot of runners with right mind set would have shaken this off and not disappeared for 3 years. Plenty of runners have complete dud races in their careers. Just bad days on the track.
KILLING⚡HEROS how humble was he when he got his ass kicked and left the sport for 3 years. You can be a great athlete without being a douche bag.
As an athlete you got to shut your mouth and let your performance speak for you
Thanks guys! Didn't know that back story. It seems like Webb was already inside Stember's head, I suppose. Either way, I agree with the 'stay humble/let your races do the talking' mantra. You're only as good as your last race, Niki Lauda used to say.
@KILLING⚡HEROS maybe one day you'll get but right now you definitely are clueless
How does he look 35 when he’s 19?
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One punch man
Probably the recessed face
A receding hairline and thinning hair does that.
Giant testes.
I just imagine him googling his name in 2020 and getting "THE MOST HUMILIATING DEFEAT IN TRACK & FIELD HISTORY!"
DutchDread exactly what I did
And he deserves it!
I doubt it. He will likely see that amazing 1995 video of him crushing the 1400. It has millions of views and Metallica playing over it. Awesome video.
If these races were during the 2000s, why is the video quality from the 1980s??
@RS1 he's a kid, let it slide. Prob born in 99 thinks hes a 90's kid.
@@DefeatLust what
@@lucaswallo8127 He, as in leaverus, is probably a child. So I was asking RS1 to kindly let his ignorant question slide, about the video quality, because those who where adults in that era, 90s - 2000s, knew the camera quality was still quite bad compared to today's standards.
Would you like me to go slower?
@@DefeatLust But RS1 answered the question respectfully, then you came in all condescending like you're something special (newsflash: you're not) so you can respond as fast or as slow as you want because everyone sees the same thing. A worthless shitbag. Get over yourself.
@@markula_4040 Oh, nice and then you try and show me a lesson to not act rude by calling me a shit bag. Very high i.q this one. My brother, I was only joking around. I know nothing of our friend. He could be born in the 60's for fuck all I know. YOU took it how you took it. I never name called anyone either, so...? Lmao. I think perhaps you meant that advice for yourself. Good luck.
"he uttered a scream that shattered every eardrum throughout the entire stadium"
I'm just glad there's no exaggeration
The scream that was heard around the world.
I wouldn't have had enough wind to squeak...
All that energy for screaming? He should have used it in the race and got a faster time. ;-)
I was there that day and now all 40,000 of us are deaf. People had blood dripping from their ears.
I did that before every vault in college and after.
Holy crap, Stember is the guy in the "Godspeed" video on youtube, if anyone's seen that. No idea he did something like this or had history with Webb
that’s exactly how am i watching this. was looking for somebody to comment this before i did. kinda sucks that someone who did something that awesome as a high schooler is the kind of person to put others down
@@ryanhagan5410 Yeah, it changes my perspective on that video :(
Yeh it kind of crushed me I thought stembEr was incredible but you just got ‘god-speeded’ on by Alan Webb
That "Godspeed" video is one of the most inspiring, motivating, kick-ass videos that really gets me pumped. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about it now. Something has died inside me.
Does his 405 equivalent mile that day compare to Thom Hunt's indoor 402 on a short, terrible wooden track twenty years before it? No. The godspeed video is overhyped. Great suprise tactics for a HS race, gutsy and brave, but not good tactics when you race actual college and pro runners. I don't see it as any type of revolution. What happened in the US between that race in 1995 and the emergence of The Big Three? Not much except a few great HS times and some burnout.
"I'm about to end this man's whole career" meme.
verified
Legend says,it was Alan Webb to come up with "I'm about to end his career" phrase!
shut up penaldo
@@thisonecomedian278 Why you gotta be mean to that guy?
Trevor Mention sorry my bad bro
Hold my CO2
Just something I wanted to mention - This is all speculation, but Webb's move to open the gap between him and the rest of the field almost perfectly mirrors Stember's performance at the 1995 CIF state meet, where he ran a 1:56 last 800 after a 2:08 opening half, winning by almost 50 meters in a race many considered to be a elite-level performance at the time, also setting a new meet record. Obviously I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if Webb chose this racing strategy to humiliate Stember even more than he already would have, by using Stember's trademark strong, ending drive/kick against him.
@MX ZQ That's an excellent point. Until I read your comment I was wondering how Stember not only lost, but lost so decisively, finishing next to last. Your observation explains it.
That taunt by Stember in the semi lit a fire in Webb's belly. In the final Webb pulled a Stember on Stember , and Stember just gassed not only physically but more so mentally when he realized his own claim to fame was now being used against him. The mental defeat was the main reason he took 3 years off afterwards.
@@TheNYgolfer There is no doubt. Michael was done after that brilliant piece of racing by Webb...who, btw, was no great tactician, but Stember certainly pissed him off and Webb had the capability to run like a top 3 world miler when he was motivated....certainly had the wheels when he raced smart. No sympathy for Stember, all deserved.
I thought I recognized his name. CIF Finals at Cerritos College in Norwalk
I found this race immediately after watching that CA state meet. I went from loving Stemper to loathing him in 4 mins. LOL
@@LeadBariBass I followed the same path here.
Sprinters don't just "take breaks," especially at his age. When you let-go of that conditioning, there's no gaining it back.
Sad Hours yeah but it’s possible
@@perpiexed6328 Yeah but it's possible.
@@perpiexed6328 I dont know man I think it's possible, you should just admit it.
But its possible
@@perpiexed6328 But you gotta realize that it's not impossible. If he tried really hard it might be possible.
Michael Stember typical overconfident private school kid
Truth to that.... Why would you disrespect a guy who nearly ran a 3:50 mile a month before, and was in the best shape of his life? Insanity. That Jesuit and Stanford education doesn't always translate, ha? LOL.
Put it this way, where was the need for such behaviour!
Someone must have told him "you've gotta do these things"
I don't think so. Most of the typical private school kids I know don't run near that fast.
Try to remember kids don't pick their parents or schools.
The last guy felt bad for Stember and let him win.
Haha good one
you are gonaa get 100k likes
The real hero
Michael: trash talks Alan
Alan: imma bouta end this mans whole career. *literally*
Stember really had no pro career anyway, so not much of a setback. His pro career was a joke, his Olympic berth was coming off a great senior college season at Stanford, he was in the best shape of his life. He did not progress in the pros, he digressed. But he was a d.b. so no suprise.
"he got 2nd to last"
so it's not only Webb that defeated Stember
Webb is the one who defeated him. Webb kicking his running into high gear, at a point where no one would normally in that type of race, forced Stember to attempt to catch him. This caused him to exhaust himself early and it also demoralized him mid-race. Essentially, Webb spanked him mid-race.
@@eme.261 If I was Stember I'd have grabbed my hamstring and fallen over when I realised what was about to happen.
@@eme.261 i was going to answer, but u said exactly what i was gonna say
@@mikeymoo1291 as an athlete you stay humble but also competitive. You are never going to admit someone is better than you in an interview. You might think he is better but you don’t admit it. Stember was an absolute joke, being so confident is bound to bite you.
Like if you ask a politician if they are going to lose they are never going to say yes I am going to lose. You just don’t do that.
He was very fast in highschool
I went to high school with Alan Webb. He destroyed us all at the mile. He'd be done on the bleachers while we were starting our 2nd lap. Man's a running machine and I was so bummed he didn't go farther in olympics. South Lakes High School, Reston VA. Represent.
yeah no u didnt
That sounds very made up
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 good joke
This is like one of those articles that makes you click next after every paragraph and you have to click it 30 times to get to the reason
Yes it is, yet I still watched it fully on two separate occasions, lol I’m so braindead
Had no idea Stember was the “Godspeed” kid...damn I can never enjoy that video the same again.
Same
I can. Good music attached to the video.
Webb crushed his opponent mentally.
@@billyhndrsn4542 yeah that video is a banger
Right! I’m glad I got here from there so I got one more taste of the video with innocence beforehand.
wait what?? wow the tables have turned
i’ve been watching track and field for 10 years and now that i’m in high school people like you are why i love this sport with a passion
Give me your view on Johnson vs Bailey ? .
Keanu Reeves??!
Good luck with High School. :)
And that is how a class act responds to a taunt.
yup, destroy your opponent who was taunting you! LOL
To T.R.P. Great narration. You bring life into this event, having the ennui audience perk-up and become glued to their seats with eyes affixed to the screen.
I was there. It wasn't that he just put on a surge with 200 to go, he basically did a 100 on 100 off workout for the last 700 of the race, sprinting the straights and coasting the corners. This was not really covered in the commentary. It was unreal! He made everyone look bad! I wish he had more success in international championships.
David, spot on. He did the same thing at the Pre Meet the month before. I was there, and saw that exact same thing. Webb was truly a perfectly tuned mile machine in early summer 2004, so besides that fact he always struggled in heats and tight packs at big international meets, it is clear that he peaked way too soon in 2004 before Athens even began.
Webb should have swerved out to lane 4 at the line...
Dennis, I think he showed he was a better person by not doing that. I do understand what you are saying. He made his point as this Video shows. John, Australia.
With his lead, he could've finished by running backwards
Stember's lucky he didn't get disqualified in the Semi. A runner is supposed to "maintain his line so as not to purposely intefere with other runners." Can't tell how far back the guy is who Stember passed in front of but if that guy had registered a protest, Stember might have been disqualified.
There must have been some past issues with Webb and Stember for all that trash talk to happen during a race of such importance. Even so, stupid on stember's part.
Webb ran a great, smart race, hard to win a mile by leading all the way. After his acceleration, the other guys were concerned with finishing in the top three, as that's who makes the Olympic team, if their time is fast enough.
@@calichekid8897 Why is it hard to win a mile if you lead for all of it
@@joespulla2580 wasted energy blocking the wind while pack drafts behind you
Your knowledge of running athletes is astounding! Today, I finally put on my running shoes and hit the pavement after a very long time of not working out. While I ran a very slow mile it felt amazing getting back out there and putting my health first. My goal is to start running middle distances competitively within the next 6-12 months. Eventually I want to take on a half marathon. Thank you very much for inspiring me to start running again and keep up the amazing job with your videos!
man that is great. Best of luck to you.
Are you on track?
@@ShekharSuman1 Hi, unfortunately no. I decided to run 6 days per week and ended up getting a stress fracture that took months to heal. I'm not as young as I used to be and should have known better. The goal is to start as soon as the weather gets warmer at the end of winter and get back on track. I'm still motivated and just need the weather to cooperate with me.
@@MrSupernova111 i try to run 4 days a week. I don't run that long....only 5-6 km per run.
@@ShekharSuman1 . I used to run 3-4 times per week many years ago and never suffered any type of injury. New runners need to let the body build strength over a few weeks before going all out. This was a big lesson and one I won't forget when I get back to running. Stay safe. Thanks!
Very excellent storytelling. I was compelled by the way you told this tale. Great job!
I always love total running videos I usually literally can't wait for the notification to click , this channel inspired me to make a channel of my own.
This is the epitome of the old saying, "When talking about others make your words sweet, because you may have to eat them later"
Thank you for the upload. This was a fantastic story.
Thanks for sharing this race video! It's almost like Webb studied Stember's high school state finals kick from the "godspeed" video and used it against him! What a clap back!
I saw Webb run a couple times earlier that season and he was without any peer. He was at the absolute peak of his ability in the early summer 2004. If he had run a time trial, he could have gone 3:46 that season, I really believe that. He ran tactical championship US races however.
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In any race 1/2 mile or longer, the 3rd quarter of the race is when guys win or lose. The strategy I used was to run MY pace the first half. I could feel my pace and had teammates give me split times. Then came the dreaded 3rd quarter of the race. That part of the race where runners really struggled. That's when you follow your pre planned strategy to run that quarter with all you got. Don't worry about the 4th. That will take care of itself since that quarter you can see the finish line. It's always the 3rd quarter that psychology kills guys. To protect yourself from that, you plan to wait until the 3rd quarter to strike. Not only do you protect from the psychological problems with that portion of the race.... you exacerbate the psychological problems of your opponents. That strategy, one it came to me, made me a better runner than guys who were better than me in pure talent. I didn't have the ability so I found a way to win with psychological dominance.
That scream is hard to forget for a rival! I believe it rings in his mind to date
Dude I love your videos. I’m so happy when you make a new one
I think a lot of us feel that way
Hey I know that guy
Ugh : no movie gets my adrenaline pumping like this or cycling sprint finish videos. This is awesome.
If they talk shit to you, just put some distance between so you won't hear them. 😏
I love this. Your recent content, to me, seems like it has been reaching because there is no real news going on. This was spectacular though. I've never even heard about any of this, but you told a great story. Keep it up :)
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Stember: I'm the guy from the Godspeed video
Webb: That's cute now it's my turn
Awesome content man love the diversity and how your an encyclopedia for track man, do what you do!
Lesson learned: *Don't underestimate your opponent*
Very true. The cardinal sin in any competitive situation is underestimating your opponent.
@Shirl Zitting yeah only to look like a damn fool! LOL
"No matter how good you are, there's always someone better". In other words, stay humble. I, and my peers were told that repeatedly as kids.(not just in sports but in anything) I don't know why grown adult athletes can't grasp that.
I think it was more than underestimating your rival. He flat out disrespected him. Why? Because he was up and coming? Serves him right.
I think I know what was going on inside Michael's head because the same thing happened to me. This kid who well call John had first joined XC. He ran a 5k faster then me (19:53) and my first 5k was 21:57. He bragged that he was faster than me despite the fact that I had been running for a year which was true at the time. However, at one point I got the runners high and started to really get into running and even watched the first sub 4 minute mile by Roger Bannister which really inspired me. I suddenly started to really climb up and my 5k times were getting faster and faster. It was only by around 5-6 seconds per race but it was faster nontheless. I think when I hit 21:47 on a really slow course and he ran that same race at 20:56, he started to get really scared and tried to throw insults at me to try to scare me. But I talked to my coach about it and he said not to worry about the kid and just focus on myself and enjoying being around people that I liked and were positive. So I keeped that in mind and didn't let a few insecure words anger and scare me. On the second to last 5k I got 19:54 and he got 21:05 and he was crying at the end of the race, however I tried to encourage him even though he did insult me many times in the past. Even after I tried to comfort him and try to be positive, he STILL insisted, aggressively that he was faster then me and that I just got really lucky. However on the last 5k we ran on a course that was really fast and in my head I was like "welp time to see the egotistical kid get sub 18, nice knowing you guys" and then I ran a time of 19:21, getting a pr by 33 seconds, meanwhile John got second to last. So I think Michael got really scared and tried to get into Alan's head and try to scare him so he wouldn't do very good but then backfired.
At first, I thought: "Wait was Lagat also crushed in the US Trials of 2004?" Then I remembered that he still ran for Kenya at that time.
Congrats on your 200th video. I have enjoyed all that I have watched. I hope you can do one on my fav female runner Genzebe Debaba one day.
Alam Webb is and will always be one of my favorite athletes. I started CC and track in high school in 2005 and his name was one of the first I heard.
When did TRP get to 80k subs. Last I checked he was at like 50k.
Running's popularity all of a sudden got a boost, partly because of the sub-2 marathon by Kipchoge, and because it's such a versatile sport (maaany various distances and courses).
The same way certain videos get 30 million views in 1 week by someone intentionally putting the numbers in to get more views
Dude has great content that's why!!!
Totally missed opportunity for any broadband company, to sponsor this guy and use some kind of slogan that involves them claiming, to have the fastest web speed than anyone.
Let that be a lesson to anyone trying to humiliate another before a final race. When I was a teenager I was always last to be picked for athletics races. I was very slow and always last or second to last in my year at school. 35 years later (no I will never be an Olympian) I have taken a full half hour off my 10,000m time and finished in under an hour for the first time aged 53 (in 2018) beating many younger runners in the race. To say I was chuffed was an understatement.
Hey, 10km sub 1 hour at your age is pretty good!
TRP...you are TOP...i am always love your videos...thank you
I think it’s important to have some greater context that this was a coming together of two runners at very different points in their careers. Stember’s peak was certainly around 2000 when he made his first Olympic team while at Stanford. Webb was in the ascendancy and this race was probably the best US champ performance he’d have until 2007 (when he beat Lagat and also screamed at the finish). While I don’t agree with Stember’s actions, I think he was looking at this young kid coming up in the sport and feeling like his experience would prevail over Webb’s raw talent. Ultimately it didn’t work but I feel for Stember as there was certainly expectation after his previous trials performance and the hometown crowd.
Exactly Mitchell. I guess Stember didn't watch the Bowerman Mile a month before the Trials... Webb was in 3:50 mile shape, Stember was a stale pro runner with no time progression in 4 years.
So we all acknowledge that Stember peaked his senior year at Stanford. He was a lazy, ineffective narcissist as a pro under Coach Gags. A wasted talent. At least Webb worked his ass off as a pro, with much less high level coaching, and ended up with an American record no one will break in my lifetime. Stember was a pro bust.
Stember regressed as a pro. All you have to do is ask his pro coach Gags about Stember's pro career. His heart and mind weren't in it. He was lazy as a pro, and his times showed it.
He finished the race "calmly and collectively" 😂 😂
These videos and commentary are so good. Keep on keeping on! Subscribed.
Great story. Thanks for sharing it.
This ruined the "godspeed" video for everyone lmao
I got to meet Jim Ryun in germany. His daughter was my teacher at our homeschool co op.
He was a big inspiration for me as a high school runner. Too bad he ended up working to destroy the environment and women's rights as a GOP congressman.
I was there at Hornet Stadium in Sacramento for that 1500m Final. My wife and kids were there as well. The whole stadium was speechless when Webb instantaneously opened that gap, even the sprint and field people who didn't know a whole lot about middle distance racing where mesmerizing. When Webb took off, my first reaction was to yell to Stember to race for second to insure a spot on the Olympic team, but there was no hesitation from him. He went after Webb. Olympic spot was not on his mind. He was in front of friends and family members (he grew up in Sacramento and ran at Jesuit High, and the announcer made sure he mentioned this to the crowd right after Webb took off) and he wasn't running for second. The cheers at the end for Webb was loud and went on forever, even the families of the hurdlers and sprinters were giving him long standing ovations.
On a side note. I took a picture of the start of one of the Women's 200m Semi heats (our seats were right at the 200m start). Lane 4 was empty. It was for Marion Jones. She did not show up last minute. At that point, she was not accused of anything, but there were rumors being spoken around that start line.
I also have high-quality high-resolution photos of the 1500m. One of the pictures showed Webb when he took off, and the gap he opened up. His facial expression well captured (hey, photography is my second biggest hobby). Any body interested in seeing these? I need to buy video software that can handle my high resolution photos if I want to post them in RUclips.
Not interested in the photos, but a nice story. I have tons of similar photos from the famous 2006 Webb/Ritz/Fam 10K race at Stanford where all 3 ran under 27:40 in Webb's 10K debut...and his last 10K..LOL. He said it destroyed him for an entire year. But he did return and set the American record in the mile the following year. What a talent.
That was epic for Allan Webb. TRP your productions are 👌👌
I never knew about this, this is awesome.
He went to HS near me. Met him at the Battle of the border xc race in Maryland back in 2012
Alan is a pretty down to earth guy. The total opposite of Michal Stember. No one who has met either one would disagree.
Inspiring. Thank you for sharing.
What he learned (and what my college rival learned at our regional championships after she literally tried to trip me during semi) is that you don't make people ANGRY when you're about to race them. They will come for you and feel GREAT doing it.
Dude's narrating reminds me of my heavy flow periods, drags on and on and on
Haha nice one
That humble pie must have tasted bitter.😂😂😂😂
Now I want pie.
Great work man!!!
This is great. Being crushed like this can be a great motivator too. You can learn a lot from this. Its all how he takes it.
Love these kinds of stories!
He went to my high school, South Lakes!! I was the fastest distance runner when I was there but was still over half a minute off Webb’s mile time 😅
Half a minute off his 3:53 mile time is no vice. A 4:23 mile is no joke. Congrats Andrew.
This video/story goes to highlight that human physical performance is immensely mental. This race proved who had the goods💪
Weird I get this vid right after I was reminiscing about the times I used to run 50-60 laps around a track once or twice a week, and thinking someday I might have the chance to be a Olympian runner, but I was overweight at the time, weighed over 200, and thought I was too old to start, even though I was only 23 back in 2004. RUclips must be psychic! They even read people's minds!
Your channel truely has great content..I m subscribing👍
Thanks for the video TRP, always look forward to your new releases!
I can't help but feel for Stember here. He clearly had talent, but was just a little bit too cocky.
It also seems as though he was quite humbled, if not deeply affected by this loss. I get it: if you talk trash, you better be able to back it up. However, the title just seems a little bit harsh. Emphasising words like defeat, failure, humiliating; minimises the unfathomable effort and hard work of the other competitors. Winning a big race is not the be-all and end-all but rather one final accomplishment to add to an already outstanding progression of achievements that got them to the start line.
Cocky? Yes indeed. People finally saw the cocky, very self centered Stember many of us knew well before that embarrassing Semi final display. Sorry, no sympathy. I never heard that he apologized to Alan for the classless display. Hopefully he is a changed human being. Mike bragged about cutting fish for celebrities in his later career. Good for him. Makes up for a bust of a pro running career.
Turns out Michael isn't even cooking for celebs anymore...only for 20something hipsters without much money in a sketchy Brooklyn neighborhood bar. Look up Ponyboy. A HS legend to Stanford, to Olympics, to a nothing, lazy ass pro career, to a nothing solar career, to cutting fish in front of Elon Musk, to making appetizers for 25 year old hipsters in some Brooklyn bar.. Progress? LOL. Not sure he progressed in life.
Great video man. Webb is a boss for this
Wow! never knew about this race! Thanks for making this!
Love the videos! Thank you!
That is straight 🔥
Some people do their "trash talking" *after* the finish line. 😉
Why it's good to show what you can do more than talking what you can do! Liked !!
Congrats on 200 quality videos !
Beating someone so bad that they have to say “I might take a break”
The literal: "About to end a man's career"
Holy moly, that dude kicked on an afterburner. That was an impressive gap he made. Boy he was concerving his energey, he waited at the perfect moment pressed the nitrous button and shot out like a cannon ball, that was impressive indeed. Proven once again, humility will always triumph, never mess with the quite mad scientists, they're a power to be reckoned with!
I always thought it was weird that track distances are 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, and then 1500m. For consistency, it seems like they should be running 1600m. An added benefit for Americans is that 1600m is almost exactly a mile (99.4% of a mile).
Where do you get your background music? It sounds cool!
Stember: **walks to the 4rth lane**
Webb: And i took that personally
Great video. Great narration
I’m glad you included Donavan Bailey vs. Michael Johnson.
To win track and field, just let to Metallica- Enter the Sandman
What?
Is this even English?
*listen to, maybe(?)
For the Metallica question, and note who is running
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At the end of the race, Webber said to Stember: Too Soon, Jr.
Stember was no Jr, he was a failing pro runner...Webb was close to his prime, if not in the best shape of his life in his early 20s.
This was the first video I've seen on this channel and I still watch
Thanks for sharing your story. Godbless
There's no way this guy is a High School student. At 19 years old he should have matriculated at least a year before. He looks like he's in his 30s .
I think anyone with zero body fat probably looks old!😎
@@anthonysinclair5721 dead more likely
He was NOT a HS student....he was at least 21 years old in this video. Graduated from South Lakes in 2001.
"For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." - Matthew 23:12
Alan stay humble, even with all the likes.
Ah someone who quotes sthe bible - how cute! The book where slavery is good and shellfish are bad.
I’m a muslim but this is deep. Surely, wisdom from one of Allah’s books
@@muneebi8273 Yes its very deep - so is this quote:
If you can't see the angles no more, you're in trouble
So the movie Carlio's Way must have been written by a God. Cause look- We have an average every day occurance and I can find a quote from the movie that really is applicable!
Amanda Huginkiss hahaha .. sure. Good one but sorry, doesn’t apply.
You make me care about track a field... good job!
Track definitely needs videos like this and you do a great job! Nice references too, like super saiyan. And great music in the background.. btw, 3:53 mile sounds fucking horrible.. 4:41 made me see waves in the track.. it’s amazing how special some people are!
He won in such commanding fashion that everyone just gave up.
Looks that way, but not really. The top three runners in this race advanced to the Olympics, so the reality is that no one in the top five was giving up. My guess would be that the rest of the field decided that the real race was for 2nd and 3rd.
Interesting. I always thought that Webb still needed the A-standard for the Olympics at the time of the trials hence taking off and front running the entire race.
You could be right, I've never heard that rumor myself.
Not true. He had run way under the standard for 1500 during his Bowerman Mile victory a couple months before in Eugene. Best shape of his life. 3:49 mile shape in Sacramento.
Top athletes do often come back from crushing defeats. Alan Webb was crushed in the Footlocker Cross Country final of 2000 yet shrugged it off.
Love it! Great video!
Great vid
I’m starting to think that he has a boy crush to both kipchoge and vain niekerk
I wouldn't blame him
You reap what you so! FABULOUS clip. :)
Nice work, thanks!