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He wasn't shooting down people. He was shooting down airplanes.
At the end Bong was confronted with the fact that he was shooting down people.
How do you think submarine skippers dealt with killing a few hundred sailors every time they sunk a ship? It's like y'all said. You're not killing a bunch of people. You're killing a ship.
You're killing a ship to save the lives of a thousand sailors or soldiers etc @@bsb1975
@@bsb1975 Tankers have the same thing. You didn't kill a tank crew. You took out an enemy tank.
@@jdgarrison9913 Tankers kill FAR far more infantry and thin skinned vehicles than we do enemy tanks. You see the bullets chewing through people when you're hosing infantry with the coax machineguns. You see the chunks fly when you hammer a truck or car with a main gun round.
Donut really didn’t seem able to grasp that someone can have a mental disconnect on their actions
That's why he's the dumbest one on the pod
@@user-oh6sx7cp4che isn't known for making good decisions. Just funny videos. 😂
Donut is the one who has to have the biggest compartmentalizing of trauma here though, it's super tricky to deal with the psychology of having to shoot someone from 5 yards away vs "point blank" in an airplane which is like 100 yards away
I think he was trying to assist a joke or maybe make one
@lethalexponent6 then you're a bigger brain dead inbred than donut is, he wasn't trying to assist anything or make joke, he's just genuinely uneducated and stupid
Perhaps this will put it in perspective. Drone pilots today. The ones that launch missiles and blow stuff up. They're very aware they've got humans in their sights. But they also haven't typically had to see the result up close. I expect one who did might react in much the same way.
Yes, exactly. Until you actually see the person die, you can intellectualize it, and in a way its not real. Frankly, part of training is to make the action ordinary and not personal. When you see the actual results, it can go from intellectual to personal real quick.
It might be a little easier to deal with the reality of it all, if let's say, it was your own country being invaded and seeing innocent citizens and children dying. And ....worse.
Idk though, that's just my dumbass opinion. I'd just imagine it might be a little easier at the end of the day in that case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A degree of separation allows someone to rationalize their actions. They know what they're doing but aren't 'thinking' about what they're doing. It's a part of war. Devalue, or even dehumanize the enemy. "the enemy is in an airplane, delete the airplane" "units" "targets" "assets"
They mentioned that later im the podcast episode. And the military did a study that puting thermals or light changes kinda has a instent disconnect that triggers less ptsd.
This would require simpleton levels of cognizance.
Bong was probably just seeing planes, not people. A way of dealing with the reality of war.
No different than racing. You dont see the drivers, just the car.
@@Magavynhigara my problem as an amateur racer and ex mechanic. All I see are the drivers and their families
Yes but usually Cars don't shoot at each others.@@Magavynhigara
It's like honking at cars in traffic.
In a face to face interaction you're not going to respond to every inconvenience by entering a shouting match with the other person, but in a car you're just honking at other cars.
As a kid, we raised farm animals to compete in 4H. The end goal for most of the animals was to send them off to slaughter. Don't give it a name. It's a cut of meat that's gonna taste good. We never witnessed them being slaughtered. Later when I was older, a close friend of the family owned a butcher shop where I did witness animals on the killing floor.
I had an "ah-ha" moment when reality came together for me.
I already knew as a kid, that hamburgers and hotdogs and fried chicken tasted good. I knew the animals in the field or pens were gonna be food one day. It wasn't until I saw the stage between field and table that I appreciated what was happening.
I love meat btw LOL.
I was gonna make the point of the difference between killing and butchering a random cow vs putting down a horse that I had worked with for several years. But I figured nobody would relate
An animal should be raised with respect and kindness and a person should respect the meat they eat. No one embodies this mindset better than farmers who raise their own livestock.
The difference between dropping napalm and shouting over a radio and using a flamethrower and hearing the screams.
With the talk of him wanting to be the best pilot, this is kind of like the Wernher von Braun quote. "The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet."
Or Jiro Horikoshi, who was the chief engineer for Mitsubishi, he was the one who designed the Zero. He just loved designing aircraft and once said, "All I wanted to do was to make something beautiful" He is the subject of the anime from Studio Ghibli called The Wind Rises which is a semi-historical account of him, and which is a fantastically beautiful anime and if you love vintage airplanes you will love this.
A lot of WW2 bomber pilots had the same situation. They knew they were dropping bombs on people but never got the full realization of what that meant and does to people. Many of them never would have been able to do the job if they, in effect had their nose rubbed into it. Totally unlike folks in ground combat who are hip deep in the carnage.
It's the difference between making a tank kill, and actually seeing the corpses IN the tank?
This is actually a very well researched phenomenon. The further removed you are from a person you kill in combat the more you are able to disassociate from it. Having to kill someone in hand to hand combat and watching the life drain from them up close and personal is going to fuck you up way more than watching a plane fall out of the sky and never seeing the pilots body. There is a psychological distancing that makes it less personal.
Ah, Ender's Game. FANTASTIC book.
I don't think he didn't know that there were other pilots. It's like he's disassociated that there was another human life that he was ending. When shooting a plane down to him he's shooting another machine. He's some distance away when doing this enclosed in a metal flying box blocked out from everything with a single goal of out flying and out shooting this other machine in the sky. It's once he saw another pilot shoot someone down he probably saw the actual guy, probably bail out to his death, that it just hit him that each plane he shot down ended another persons life.
Something like this probably ties into why snipers back then were hated by the enemy as it was seen as something too personal.
It’s the disconnect. Intellectually he knew someone was flying the planes he was shooting down. But air battles, even close ones, happen at a distance. You don’t see the person in there. But then reality slapped him in the face when he saw the dead pilot. There’s a face to his actions now. Knowing what you’re doing and seeing the results of your actions are very different.
Men of pure heart and mind often forget that they live in a world of misery and despair.
Disassociation is their haven. Reality is their nightmare.
The Ace of Aces didn't want to hurt people. He simply wanted to fly.
Donut is being a little obtuse here.
There's a big difference between knowing something intellectually, and having the reality in all it's horror and/or glory shoved in your face.
Imagine you read book after book about gunfights. You read about the mechanics of it, the tactics, about the wounds and survivability. You read actual gripping accounts and even visualize yourself in a gunfight. You go and get training, learn your gear, and even learn about the psychological impact of combat.
...Then somebody actually tries to shoot you dead and you hear the bullets whizzing by your ear and hear people screaming in pain/fear/anger...
I guarantee you, your books and even training haven't really prepared you for what it's like. You may be better prepared than otherwise, but there's nothing like the naked reality of violence and mortality in a real kill or be killed scenario. Just ask your adrenal glands.
Some things the average person can't really *"know"* or wrap their head around as an abstract idea until something more concrete really drives it home.
Cody knows this, just ask him about police work: reality versus theory, training versus doing it for real, reading about it versus doing it, Sim rounds versus live ammo etc etc
Donut is just being a cop. You can know something in your head and not know it in your heart, and if you don't know the difference, I feel for you.
Proving cops are brain dead retards
It was never personalized to him in what he was doing until he actually saw it. I would guess at a relation being a B52 bomber pilot seeing first hand what carpet bombing an army looks like at ground level and seeing what is left first hand and then suddenly realizing that it was a person with a family.
Academically he knew what he was doing. But he didn’t see it practically, viscerally, until then. Made it real. Not a hard concept. Lots of pilots felt the same. Like they were fighting the machine. Different when you see the man.
It's not until you see the brutality of what you have done to another person that you truly understand what you've done. I'm sure he knew that he shot people down, but once he saw it and processed it that it hit him fully.
100% agree. Knowing something intellectually isn't the same as directly experiencing it. Cody knows this on some level. Police work is full of "You think this is something? Just wait until it's for real" type moments.
Disassociation. He couldn't allow himself to think it was another pilot, just like him. The planes he shot down weren't pilots. They were planes.
Compartmentalization, maybe. I think disassociating is the brain trying to save itself from the reality of a situation they're in.
@@jaydawg7 Compartmentalization suggests facing something eventually. You just described exactly why I think it was disassociation. 😄 His mind was trying to save itself from the reality of what he was doing.
Hearing Brandon explain Nick Bongs Feelings would make me vote for him in the next election even if I had not already been a viewer… a true show of character
I can totally get why Donut has a difficukt time understanding this but this would probably explain why Bong became so talented at flying in the first place. Idk if even he considered the possibility of him dying. I remember being in my 20s and thinking I was bullet proof and all it takes is for one humbling experience to happen to remind you just how human you really are.
It's a weird disconnect. It reminds me of playing Hotline Miami:
You go through the level killing all these nameless, faceless guys that all look the same in a brutal fashion while trying to get a high score for creativity and aggression.
There's dope music in your ears, adrenaline is pumping through your veins, your consciousness fades away each time you die and reset or make progress as all you focus on is getting the kill and moving on.
And then, by the end of it, after the last kill, the music stops. There's an eerie, droning sound and nobody else to fight. All that's left to do is to go back way you came and look at what you did.
Especially from the sequel that questions you once you've already beaten the game and wanna go at it the second time.
I was thinking the wp scene in spec ops the line.
It’s played like the usual invincible power up scene you have in military shooters where you’re back into a corner with everything going to hell to build up tension. Then you find a bfg and super armor or air superiority, in this case a white phosphorus mortar, and you get to feel unbeatable as you unload all that built up tension on the enemies.
Then they make you walk through the aftermath and it’s absolutely horrific.
They talked about it a few pods ago. The IR scopes vs standard ones, the shooter with the IR has a disconnect that its a human.
The next book in the Ender's Game series is called Xenocide because he exterminated the Hive civilization to win the battle and then found out it was a cultural misunderstanding. He spends the rest of his life making up for it. Great series.
Actually, Ender realized it by the end of Book 1; also, _Speaker for the Dead_ is the next book in the series.
I love Donut, but in this clip its like... bro cmon quit being stupid and just realize that he was compartmentalizing, and was busy moving on to the next mission. His mission cadences were insane during the war so between having to focus on the next mission, and just not having time to sit and dweel on the realities of war its completely and EASILY understandable. I was getting annoyed haha
That moment where Bong wasn’t involved, outside looking in for once, “put a face on his targets.”
He knew he was killing people. But there is a difference between knowing and seeing/experiencing.
To cover Enders Game a bit more, it’s not just that he sent real troops to their deaths, it was that it was also over what amounted to a misunderstanding which led to him basically wiping out all but a single alien queen. Effectively killing his own troops while presiding over genocide.
Aerial warfare is very much machine vs machine type deal.
Pilots rarely see dead enemies after they've been shot down. If they do, its pretty common for them to react quite strongly to it.
For example, then 1stLt (retired as Colonel) Arthur Fiedler, USAAF, in July of 1944, shot down eight aircraft. Out of those eight, one pilot bailed out ten feet off the ground and his body bounces off the ground at nearly 400 mph. Shit like that really fucks with your head when you see it first hand. Seeing just a vehicle, of any type, get destroyed without the bloodiness detaches you from the reality of what your doing.
I kind of get where Cody is coming from but also he hasn't (or I don't think he has anyway) and hopefully never will, have to experience shit like this
It’s like when you see a crashed car and think “damn that thing is mangled, not gonna survive that one lol” and then you walk over and see the black stains all over the interior… that previous “lol” becomes a big lump stuck in your throat
A friend of mine was a drone pilot for the army and he had a similar revelation afterwards.
It’s like if one day donut operator, realized that there were real people in the police footage he reviews.
There's a big difference between seeing a plane going down/its wreckage, and seeing the mangled body inside. He never saw the bodies, he was detached from what was actually happening
I don't get why he can't understand the separation of shooting down a plane and suddenly processioning what that actually meant. At first, I let it slide due to "poor communication" of what was going on in Bong's head. But then they did explain it right and he STILL didn't get it?
I was waiting for one of them to mention "compartmentalization", but they didn't in the clip. That would have been a perfect explanation, as it's what soldiers have to do to kill an enemy they're looking at.
Because cops are braindead
The first time my grandpa ever saw/heard of an airplane, his dad's friend was there and gave my grandpa a quarter so that he could go for a ride in the plane.
During WW2 when grandpa was in the USN, he was on leave in New York City and saw this funny looking box. He asked the man what it was and the man said "That's called a Television, it's like radio but for pictures. Say Hi to all the Americans watching!" So the first time he ever heard of TV, my grandpa was on it.
Y'all should read Chuck Yeager's autobiography. There's a blurb in there about Dick Bong as a test pilot after the war. In fact, I believe he died in a crash involving a test aircraft.
Even mortar man don't see what they actually the damage they do
Bong experienced a psychological disconnect.
I am rereading ender's game now. Before that I read the 1977 analog magazine that had the first appearance of the story. Very good book. Going to read the whole series next.
Franz Stigler, the German pilot who escorted Charlie Brown and his bomber to safety, had a similar moment like Bong.
Stigler always saw the enemy planes as simply enemy planes; it was just hostile machines he was breaking.
However, coming up on Brown's beat up bomber reminded Stigler these were men he was fighting; seeing the injured crew is what inspired him to spare them.
Reminds me of President Grant. The man was an amazing general however he couldn't stomach the sight of blood which made a lot scholars theorize that his drinking problem was a way of dealing with the trauma of seeing men wounded due to his orders.
He was able to put faces to each one of those planes
I love near Bong Recreational. It's an old air base in Wisconsin turned into a wildlife reserve.
What I find the most sad is that he died testing a P- 80 here at home after all he went through in the PTO. Saburo Sakai always said he was after an enemy plane, not necessarily the pilot.
There’s a big difference between seeing the dead body vs the plane.
"most documented person"
Oh my sweet summer child.
There was a story about them sending a few drone pilots out to the location of a drone strike. To them it was "got another 1" until seeing it up close. Artillery can be the same way. It's how some people cope with body count. I didn't shoot the pilot, I shot the plane. I didn't shell the people, I shelled the building. It's an example of war is only effective if the results are on display. Once you dehumanized war, it gets looked at as a game. Look at WW2. The carnage we saw has been a big reason why the diplomatic option is even a consideration a lot of the time
I’ve never been in the military but I think a better way to explain this would be how a sniper shoots somebody from 200m away but dosnt actually have to go up to the body to see the damage there was an interview with Nick Irving where he explains this feeling pretty well
There's the Bong Bridge that connects Superior Wisconsin to Duluth Minnesota.
Its pretty easy to rationalize 'objective neutralized' and think its ok 'they probably got out'. But to come first hand to seeing they definitely did not simply 'get out' hits different.
I know full well that the 30,000 pounds of ordinance we dropped in OIF/OEF just didn't hit dirt in an empty field. But seeing the FLIR footage of combatants becoming physics to troubleshoot a pod gripe hits different.
A lot of aerial combat was impersonal - you didn't see anyone die, you just saw the airplane stop being a threat. On to the next one.
Eventually, in examples like firebombing Berlin and Dresden and Tokyo, people in the airplanes realized what they were visiting upon the people below, and it caused a lot of PTSD.
Amen Brandon, I have been saying Calvin Coolidge was one the greatest US presidents of all time.
He also killed a crocodile
In a strange way I can relate to the disconnect. Was in Afghanistan in 2013 and our platoon got into what I'd argue was an ambush (I argue it because despite us being a part of the operation we had the enemy get the drop on us.) I was a live gunner on a RG34 with a 240B. We took contact and I never saw the guy's firing on but I was told the shots were coming behind a wall so I more or less sprayed the wall. At the time I had no clue I hit anything I was just trying to suppress the enemy. One of my friends said he saw 3 guys go limp to the ground on the other side of the wall. I didn't find out till the next day. So it's always been a weird disconnect from the situation. Honestly I think I got off lucky. I knew some friends who took what happened hard.
Bong compartmentalized his killing of the pilots in the planes he downed
I thought it was well known that soldiers/pilots would disassociate and compartmentalize their deeds. Specially pilots because they are so far away from their targets.
enders game, the book, is almost 50 years old .. 1977
Ender's Game was made into a movie in 2013. Didn't read the book but saw the movie. Would recommend.
Here's a thought
Mob boss tells captain to put Mr x in wood chipper .... mob boss knows what the wood chipper will do but has never seen what it does.....
Captain tells 2 soldiers go get Mr x & take him to ""the farm"" so couple days go by Mr x is being held at the farm .....
But ... mob boss doesn't know this .....
Soldiers grab Mr x to get him ready to go in wood chipper ....
Mob boss has business he needs to do at farm but still no idea Mr x is at the farm .... as mob boss is pulling up to the farm near the swine pin .......
The soldiers throw Mr x in the wood chipper as mob boss pulls up & sees Mr x get made in to potted meat & sprayed into swine pin .....and .... as the potted meat lands in the pin the swine begin devouring Mr x ...... mob boss calmly goes out of sight & pukes his guts out (all tho he knew what was gonna happen to Mr x the grapicnes of actually seeing it made him barf a lot) & mob boss has not eaten pork products since .......
I hope this helps explain bongs reaction to the realization of seeing the graphic nature of being shot down .... he obviously knew a pilots flew those planes but never had to realize the graphic nature of what happened to those pilots ........
Just a thought
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I think a good comparison is how angry some people get when driving. Most people don’t see the other drivers on the road as people, just as cars that are in their way. It’s really easy to have no empathy when you can’t see the face or even body of the person in the plane you just shot down.
I grew up in the same town Richard Bong did. he knew that there was a person in the plane just reality didn't set in until he saw it up close
As long as he could tell himself it was just an objective he could live with it
Most WW2 fighter pilots had that mindset of take out the plane of the enemy. Thunderbolt P47 pilots had it worse they did straffing runs on troops, tanks, troop trains.
I like how TFE does his video book reports and then shares with friends
Wait until he read about Erich Hartmann
He was able to compartmentalize. Separate it mentally. He was able to in that one incident.
Brandon’s hunting analogy is the best. I remember shooting my first animal. I was excited i hit it. When I walked up to receive the animal and I saw it’s dead eyes and blood coming from its mouth, it hit me hard. Granted I was 8 when this happened I still had that childlike idea that I wasn’t actually taking a life, until I saw it. Tasted good though🤣
I bet that bong had never seen someone get chopped up up close and it made him puke and it was witnessed by the guys driving him around and when they told the superiors they sent him home.
So donut his reaction is believable plain and simple. He has never had to face the reality head on up close what he has been doing he never had to see the aftermath of shooting down a plane and killing a pilot. He was destroying a plane he didn’t see it as killing another man.
He was the best allied ace but then you look at the best axis ace oh my lord
This dynamic is very common with fighter pilots. They know they are killing, but it's a mechanical killing, not a biological killing. Ground soldiers are desensitized to seeing the dead. It's uglier. They know they are killing... For pilots, not seeing the bodies allows them to not carry the grimness of their actions. The only exception were bomber crews who's crew members would die in the plane.
There is also the possibility that many planes had their pilots eject and get to parachute down. Bong shot down the planes, not really thinking about "end the pilot" its almost like just consistantly shooting at machines for years and years and then one day the suit opens and its like an iron man suit with a person inside
"Ace of Aces" lmao that title belongs to only 1 man, Hans Joachim Marseille, sorry to break it to you.
He personified the enemy
Enders game Is the greatest book series of all time.
I hate it when people play up or play dumb to something to make their opinion feel like a truth - it's not that difficult to understand that for someone like Bong, he clearly considered shooting down a plane was not the same as shooting a person. Even in WW2, shooting down a plane wasn't a 1:1 correlation to ending someone's life. They could have ejected, they could have survived, if Bong was a fire & forget missile, the moment the target was hit and definitely out of the fight, he stopped tracking it, it no longer existed in his mind. But seeing it happen as a third party probably wasn't a surprise, but it certainly confirmed that more likely than not, when he got a kill being at point-blank range, the chances of the enemy pilot getting to eject or survive a crash landing was effectively 0% and that reveals a new layer of experience/meaning to something quite significant. It's not that hard to understand this.
This. It like shooting someone with night vision. Not the same. Donut is f’ing dense in this clip.
@@Matt_Vaneppshe doesn’t understand because he’s never been in the position where he’s had to do that.
All through historical warfare the greatest amount of casualties occurred in the retreat of one of the forces, far more than in the actual engagement. One of the ways most people are able to kill other humans is by denying the other’s humanity. When one’s back is turned it’s easier to do so. Now put a person in a vehicle like a plane and it becomes even easier to do so. They might know intellectually that their killing men but because of distance and obscurity both physical and psychological it doesn’t register as readily; because there is, in most people , a psychological barrier to killing another human. This is why ground forces use human silhouette targets, to desensitize the soldier to killing another human being. It’s a means to overcome that barrier.
Bong was a great pilot but per his own admission wasn't a good shot.
But he wasn't the only one. Thomas McGuire was 2 behind Bong. I actually think he was better and would have surpassed Bong if he hadn't been grounded so Bong could get his 40.
Bong was also allowed to go hunt on his own with other squadrons where McGuire wasn't.
You also had Kirby, Lynch.
I also believe they all had way more kills than they are credited for.
He wasn't a US pilot, because they refused him, but a British pilot from Texas and buried there.
Even his sqd mates say he shot down over 50 German and Italian planes. His name escapes me right now.
And this story of Bong not knowing is false. He was sent home by Kenny because he was getting the MOH and they didn't want him to get killed in combat and need him for bond tours.
The difference would lie in seeing it in video
I think it’s more the fact that you can bail out of a plane or a tank there were plenty of people who got shot down or otherwise had their vehicle destroyed who then walked away. I think even in some cases like the Sherman most of the crew survived the destruction of the tank. So maybe he was kinda lying to himself and assumed that the pilot bailed out safely. When really considering how close he was the Japanese pilot did not get the chance to bail
Are we just ignoring their were 3 German pilots with over 200 confirmed victories in ww2?
6:25 I love donut but is his head made from a block of wood?
Very much like how snipers have to deal with seeing their targets drop. When all I did was train no combat or war but trained to blow things up from distances that you would just see a pink mist or out of sight hear the explosions. But all we train on besides zeroing our weapons we desensitize by shooting targets that are man size. And the leaders than seen and done things will inform us constantly about how real this shit is. Took a day to realize this is real life nothing like call of duty there’s no respawns. Grew up on history channel and watched things growing up like the great wars and countless counts of history.
Thought they were gonna talk about Hartmann
I would think most military personnel can compartmentalize their actions and their consequences. To Bong, they were most likely just planes. He knew but didn´t let himself know, know. Donut sounds like a sociopath.
Love watching the videos before everyone else sees them
I think it’s a the perspective of killing is very different from a law enforcement angle as opposed to a military. With MIL, killing is the name of the game. You’re a number, they’re a number, we’re all a number. We’re singing about killing in basic, it’s almost glorified and honorable. With Law Enforcement, there is a massive fear about having to kill. You’re not supposed to kill. It’s a stigma, and traumatic. MIL is very de-sensitized to the idea, where as LEO do everything in their power to avoid it.
It's all too easy to personify objects and to objectify persons. When most people road rage, they don't see a mother in a van whose going slow because her kids are screaming in the back seat. They just see an annoying car that's in their way to getting to work on time.
Obviousl he realized there were people in the enemy planes. The human mind, when focused to an extreme on a specific goal can on a subconscious level ignore every other aspect about what they're doing if it doesn't help them achieve the goal. This is especially true if something about their activities would interfere with achieving that goal, like thinking about the killing of the enemy pilots might distract him from his goal of being the best fighter pilot. The same thing occurred for bomber crews. They concentrated on "Bombs on target" with the goal of destroying enemy equipment and infrastructure. Most of them would tell you it wasn't until later in their combat experience that the fact that they were killing a he'll of a lot of people including women, children, and elderly people really became a conscious reality to them.
Hans Joachim Marseille, if you know you know.
Read Marginal operation manga it has similar premise to Enders game.
George Beurling the RCAF WW2 Ace would actively try to hit the cockpit of the enemy aircraft to kill the pilot and often boasted about it. Ding Bong was a better pilot though because he got more kills and Buerling got shot down 4 times and survived
This little exchange sums up why I follow all the other guys on this panel, except for Donut. Low level thinker. Couldn't grasp a simple concept even after it was broken down and re-explained multiple times from multiple different perspectives. Sheesh. It's not that Bong "didn't know" that the planes had pilots, obviously he knew there were pilots inside. It was the gravity of the situation that wasn't in the forefront of his conscious thought. and he didn't think about the brutality and finality of losing a dogfight until he saw the effect it had on a destroyed human corpse. It's different to intellectually know about something, versus having to face the emotional and spiritual impact of encountering it face to face. It probably also made him think more about "that is what could happen to me if I lose" that so many young and capable people, from infantry men to race car drivers to test pilots, don't tend to think about in the young "feeling invincible" stage of life.
Donut has never sounded so dumb
Like being one of the crew who fired bombed Japan. Never realizing that you were responsible for killing 100s of thousands of people including women and children. Conceptually they know they’re killing the enemy but seeing the damage is a lot different.
Image not a lot of those crew would have flown again if they went and visited city after one of their attacks. Seeing the people burned and the suffering that was caused. Most would vomit and refuse to fly again.
You date someone for a while.
Things seem to be going really good, until you they don't.
You breakup.
The breakup seems mutual, or at least mostly mutual. Nonetheless you think to yourself "this was mutual, I'm ok with this, this was a good thing in the long run."
Fast forward a year later.
You hear from your friends this ex has become engaged to someone else.
You're devastated. You're heartbroken.
You're confused, you thought you were OK with letting them go. At least that's what you told yourself.
The human mind is a fragile thing.
The same thing is what they're getting at with the fighter pilot.
You're not dumb. You shoot down a plane, you know you likely killed the pilot.
But until you see the mangled body of that pilot you shot and killed, your mind doesn't fully process the fact that you killed someone.
There's a big difference between what you think you understand, what you happen to keep telling yourself, and being confronted with the reality of things with your own eyes.
Bong was talented, but to call him the best Pilot of ww2 is insane. He wasn’t even the best American. Not to sound like a hater but that’s just crazy. The best American pilot was ,I’ll give you a hint he has a deer themed drink that he shares names with, and the best pilot of the war was the star of Africa. Nothing will convince me otherwise the numbers speak for them selfs.
can yall remake ender's game movie 4 me? they didnt even have peter or valentine really. to think of it even Ai kids engaging in violence still sounds tricky
When you humanize targets even in video games we’re you count the amount of planes ships tanks and ecetra ..when you see things in the real world as a game it’s easy to shoot..until the sudden realization that o yeah that’s not just 40 planes it’s also 40 people.
Bong was the best of all us pilots the greatest of all time is German ww2 ace Eric Hartman 352 makes him the goat
One of your podcasters is not like the others. One of these podcasters has seen nothing
He's a cop, they are inherently brain dead and can't grasp reality
It would be like me hunting for the first time. excited to shoot! but not confronted with what I have done..blood death gore! It's all fun in games till it's real and I mean REAL.
Schröeder's foot. Or is it a head?
Well then there was Ryan’s game which was supposed to be the next man up should ender no be able to do it. The movie was eh