Sawyer from Montana here, that Mitch Zenobi guy is a badass. I don't think I've seen someone fell so precisely with such little effort ever in my life. Fun video, thanks
I am enjoying watching a new generation of Arborists using the latest technology, tools, gear, and knowledge. Taking tree work to a new level. Sure helps having the internet for getting what you are doing to all of us out there. Am 72, became a licensed Arborist in Ct. back in 1981. Mostly Consult these days, and Tree Warden in my town. In the Ct Statutes outlining the duties of a Tree Warden, the one I am really fond of is “responsible for roadside beauty.” Can’t beat that for part of your job description.
I live in New Zealand, and thoroughly enjoying this new "Guilty of Treeson" RUclips Channel. You have a relaxing, engaging way of communicating your message. It also looks like you have a real "community" of saw men in your part of the world. Great to watch and hear.
I'm really digging the direction of this new channel and how it's playing out. It really showcases the personalities in the tree work industry. It keeps it "fresh", that's an old 80's term for all you youngsters out there. Thanks for sharing Jake and thanks for the long videos. Nothing worse than getting into a video and then poof, it's over. Take care fella!
I run a old MS460 that has a big bore 54mm kit on it and it does pretty well. Its a hand-me-down saw that was owned by my father who rebuilt it. It was given to him by an old Korean war vet who actually was the one who taught my dad how to fall and cut trees (when he moved to my state before I was born our house had a wood fireplace and he would buy cords of wood prior to him meeting the family friend.) The family friend passed away at age 88. He was slinging around a old 088 until he was 80 or so. I will always treasure this saw.
I have the 660 version, for what it is I really like it. Cut a decent amount of wood with it. The cheesy little gas can for mine though was a mix jug. Filled the small side to the line for the ratio you want and the bog side with gas then shake the can and it auto mixes. Cheesy but cool lol
10 years ago the clones were 99 bucks free shipping. Bought two and they still run. I even keep them outside in the elements. They always start and run lol
If anyone gets one of these, tuning these was interesting. We put a tach on mine and it was about 8k on the high end. That's how much they had it tuned down. I think we ended up going 11.5-12k to stay safe. Huge difference.
@@gabrielcheneyholub3330 it's like running a car in its powerband. It just performs better in this range. It's more efficient, it's more responsive, it cuts smoothly, etc. Every saw has its own powerband/Rev limit you don't want to go over, or like a car, you'll be building a new motor.
That saw held up rather well to be compared to a big ported stihl. My buddy bought a holzforma saw had is 3 years now still runs good. I'm a stilh tech were a licensed Stihl dealer I'm always working on them. Love the content. We're going to buy a couple holzforma saws and throw em into rental see how they hold up.
@25:45 great advice, after watching your vids I tackled a few smaller gum trees all leaning on a hill. They kept falling the opposite way which was not a problem as we were in the bush and knew it was going that way. Great tip to avoid that
I got mine 2 years ago. My only problem so far was the chain tensioner. It was pot metal. I put a stihl tensioner in it. No more problems. With anything else. Im a happy customer. Saved 900$
Reading forces of standing wood is one thing but reading forces in laying wood is often far more complex! We can fuss and fuss over how to fell the tree then move into bucking with no regard or fear of the outcome. All said I enjoy your videos and you do quality work!
Enjoyed the video - you folks are having way too much fun. Really appreciate the narrative explaining why you do things the way you do. Cheers and all the best!
I bought a Holzfforma G372 about four years ago and it’s now my “Go to” saw. I’m a Stihl guy but I had a Husky bar & chain and for about 190 bucks and free shipping I took a chance. Break them in and get the carb adjusted right and they’re great saws. If need be, there’s always my Stihl 461 to fall back on. Great video. Just subscribed!
Keep in mind, Gents. Apples to Apples. To look at efficiency and speed, you'd need to have the same bar, same chain, and ... same RPM ... for each saw, to have a direct comparison. 90 cc can pull more teeth through a piece of wood, but 75 cc could do it faster, if the RPM's were higher. Sorry, I'm a science guy. Thanks for the video, though. Nice to meet ya, Mitch!
Low end torque is a bigger factor than rpm. A slower saw with more low end torque will cut faster than a fast saw with little low end torque. Once that sharp chain bogs down the saw it doesn’t take much for a high torque motor to recover as where a fast motor with little torque will require backing off and cutting slower.
Two interesting points, wonder if a chain saw had a 2 speed trans or gear reduction providing more torque at a lower chain speed, what would be the results? Just food for thought
Happy to help you out (💰) and I really love this channel,it covers all aspects of the tree removal process. Good luck to everyone that entered the raffle.
Identical to the name brand and literally can use their parts. Only bits I've heard to check if having issues been the coils and carb. Mainly coils by a ton. Oe coil replacement and tune it
Love the videos!!! I bought a g660 over a month ago. It's working great so far . Knock on wood! Lol I really like it actually. I am a stihl guy but can't afford that big saw from stihl.
Unreal work men!.love this video. Bin dumping decent alders for five yrs now and never tried a plunge..I am super inexperienced and can’t wait to limit my barber chairs next year .
i bought the 372xp clone 3 years ago and the 272 clone 2 years ago have ran the saws hard maintained them never had a single issue im gonna be buying more soon probably the mt200 clone to replace my actual mt200 i love the holzfforma saws and you can replace parts on them with oem sthil and husky parts also might get the same saw you have in this video keep up the good content!!!
Got me a 660 blue boy , also have 4 of the real ones . Blue boy in box till rainy day . Got my son the 372 blue boy . And he has had no problems with it . Always been a husky , jonsered guy . Loving the 2165. And 2172 ,great saws in my book . Finaly broke down got a 462cm . After 30 trees down with it . I’m thinking this is now my favorite saw . At 58 and 138 lbs .my 661 all day gets to my little hips and shoulder . The suspension in 462 is incredible . As for the blue boys ,put oem chain tensioner , better spikes . And if carb needs adjusting a lot . Buy the walbro or tillotson real carb for it and you should not have any issues . Can’t say it’s as good as stihl or husky , but price wise , with new carb and tensioner . For weekend guy it’s no brainer .its literally a third of the price from real. But it’s not quite a real one .
The ported 660 is just such a hot saw 😂😂😂. Just when i was like, man that thing’s doing good, then outcomes the 660. Terrible comparison but great to see the difference 😂. Love the vid
The main thing that you get from the Farmertec/Holzfforma products is inconsistency, which is likely because they skimp on quality assurance as a way to drop the price point. So some people say they're great and some people say they're junk because that's what their individual unit was like. But because they're completely compatible clones, you can swap OEM or other aftermarket parts on to them, and some choice replacements with OEM can make all the difference. In particular, the aftermarket carbs are really hit-or-miss, so replacing it with an OEM can make a world of difference and the saw will still be a great deal.
Which is exactly why NO ONE should send this company, or any other thieving intellectually deprived China company a dime. Stihl products are designed by some of the best engineers and designers in the world for the industry. These nasty chinese just re-label the product and use junk materials to build it. Intellectual theft and to buy this saw is to truly not care.
Dude, this! I was just thinking this.. It sounds identical to a 460. I bet slapping on a new carb, coil and plug, tune it, put on heftier AV mounts and replace parts as they brake, this thing would literally just be a blue 460 basically..
@@terryrothgeb1684 Only thing is, all said and done could you have bought a name brand saw used for a similar price? I like the idea of this saw as a toy though!
I’ve said it before but I would really love a review on the 592 as well! I prefer your reviews because the saw actually gets used and worked instead of cutting a few cookies. Thanks for another great video - they keep getting better and better 😀
Really enjoyed the vid, I’ve considered one of the blue thunders for milling, and as a power pull power head. I haven’t done a lot of falling in recent years, so fun to see some techniques I never even knew about. Stay safe.
I built one of their 660 kit saws last year. Also upgraded to their big bore kit. Big box of parts with no instructions. And no labels on parts or hardware. Lot of fun and some frustration. Couple of issue's. Had to replace a few parts right off the bat before running. The carb was junk. No amount of tuning helped. Replaced with a stock 660 carb. Few other small parts got replaced. Run's strong. Seems reasonable reliable. Leaks a little gas and oil. I'm sure I'll blow it up or break something sooner or later. But stihl fun to build.
I've had 3 460's ...they are great light saw's, for limbing and running around with a 24" bar compared to the 660/880 ... with a barker box and square ground chain it's my favourite saw.
I appreciate the fall that was takin to get that good angle down the log😁👍. 99% of viewers will never understand the forethought & effort it takes to put together an entertaining video. The excessive amount of preplanning & extra work that goes into just recording these videos is insain, and that's not including the crazy amount of time it takes to edit a video. Good stuff, but I'll stick to my orange & white saws. Use whatever it takes to get it done though.... STAY SAFE
Thanks for the fun video, and for *not* being yet another gear snob who labels these blue saws trash without even owning one. 👍 I got the G388 (038 mag clone) a couple of months ago. Besides an easy repair to the kill switch it's been great.
I've had a blue 372xp clone with a 52mm big bore kit for over 2 years now and well over 60gallon of fuel. No real issues. Pull cord broke (that happens on OEM too) Now I have 4 clone 372s and a real 372 as well People tend to hate these saws. But if you actually spend time with them. They ain't so bad I've had great success
@@zachgordon9531 I'm so glad to hear you say this - especially as all the others blurting "Yeah, I've got a blue one too...." demonstrate NO awareness at all of the issue. It's as if they haven't thought far enough ahead to see that the money they are paying goes straight to pay for Chinese hypersonic missile development and for more bribing of African countries to support China, and for more economic and military confidence for Xi. Yet all they can see is a cheap saw.
I have a G660 3rd generation that has about 6 tanks of gas through it. From the store it ran rich and I left it there for two tanks and leaned it some. It’s running strong on 24 to 30 inch rounds so far.
One of my fac vids so far lol. The t shirt is great. I feel more human knowing you also stumble off logs lol. My clone 660 has a little bit of a metal ring to it after break-in but it's still stump cuttin like the little engine that could
The little bottle they come with is a mixing bottle. They work really well if you only need a bit of fuel or need to mix a richer or leaner mix for something specific. Edit as a stihl technician. I’ve seen brand new 462 500 and 390 blown up after a few hours.
Was upset about the China neesians steeling from Stihl So glad you mentioned legally purchasing the expired patents. How cool is that. I felt instantly better. As an attorney for 34 years who likes to relax with outdoor clean up, yet still learning to saw. You grow up being taught only to learn you know NOTHING. Trying to avoid Barber Chairs in southern pines. Thank you for the outstanding job you do in your videos. Accolades well deserved. Excited to learn more. : )
Guilty of threeson Best RUclips channel out here. I have a Facebook group to discuss these saws and you don't get booted for mentioning other brand names or pointing out both the good and the bad. It's "Holzfforma Stihl Husqvarna chainsaw discussion"
Looks like the Chiner saw did ok. I have an 046 Stihl that I've been running for 27 years. Starter ropes and clutches are the only thing it's ever needed, besides routine maintenance. It has thousands of hours on it. Still runs great and has 135 lbs of compression. I'll run it till she blows. Might buy a Chiner saw.
@@eddieb4227 Ha ! I'm in North Bend, but I went to school in Forks. Lived there till I was19 n moved to North Bend. Good guess. Forks, WA, logging Capitol of the world!
Thanks for showing this saw from China, I have always wondered how they really do. Great to see you young guys having fun felling trees, doesn't look like work at all. I have a saw collection of over 25 saws, with Husky, Poulan, Jonsered and Sthil. Mostly the bigger saws from the 90s. My go to saw is an old 044 with a big bore kit, I will definitely check out these blue saws. I am also checking out West Coast Saws, Thanks. Stay Safe!!
Just watching you two it's so informative. Really see some cool methods on falling. Like how you jab the blade in the back so it leaves a safety hold... then cut the back fully til it falls. One thing I didn't know is. Calling any chainsaw stock... never knew chainsaws can be beefed up so much and modded
Even though it wasn’t stock I was honestly surprised how well that saw held up, especially after attaching the 32” bar. A good chain on a shitty saw goes a long way.
@@eriksforestryvision8751 I agree.Nobody would buy a Poulan Wild Thing clone made by a fairly new company in China.Numbers like 660 and 372 xp are the selling point.Along with price of course.
I think it is so great that you get to travel and check out how other men like Mitch work. I am sure you learn something new everywhere you go. Great job!
I think you're finding your groove again! Enjoying seeing all the different people and areas you're visiting. I like gear reviews like this where you just use it and can compare to the name brand or pro version.
I have a g444 (ms440 clone). I’ve probably cut 50+ cords of hardwoods and dropped some trees with it. I’ve had to replace the handle since it bent and the worm gear just broke (replaced with a Amazon no name). It almost keeps up with my ms462 with a 25” bar. And I don’t have to worry about a $1100+ saw bouncing around when I’m on my tractor.
I feel like this is the saw you keep in your truck box of your pick up if you live in a rural area but go into town a lot. Or on your tractor/atv. Its good enough and big enough to do some unexpected work or clear a fallen tree off the road but cheap enough where if stolen or damaged you don't lose too much sleep over it.
It would be a great saw for cutting the arms and legs off of a thief people have to stop putting up with burglary and thievery and whoop the hell out of them sick and tired of a corrupt court system that makes money off the criminal and the victim gets nothing back how about you stop condoning corruption
Its the exact saw that you can buy from a pawn shop for 350 thats 20 years old but might have 1000 cords on it. Remember theyre comparing a NEW stihl to one designed in the 90s. If thats all you want a 150$ Poland is plenty.
I picked up a g660 about 2 years ago for home use. I've not had a single issue with it. Always starts, runs well, hasn't failed me at all. My buddy got one and had some fuel leaks he needed to fix right away.
Could've easily edited the fall off the log out. Showing your humanity speaks volumes to me. Well done 👏. Good review as well. Keep doing you.....and you're going to surpass your old channel faster than you ever imagined, Jake.
This comment is not relevant to the saw, but I wanted to say last year my m390 blew up and I replaced it with a m462-cm and immediately put WCS dogs and barkbox on it. After cutting with for a season I'm a customer for life. Gordy makes excellent products that actually perform as intended and described.
Hey Jacob I love your channel, keep up the good work man! Nice to see someone put videos up of saw actually being used for more than just making biscuits
I’ve got a 92cc 28”bar it’s a beast cut lots of fire wood With it have a friend blew his up right away . Started it up set cold saw in big wood and ripped on it cold every time. Lasted about four hours, right at the exhaust wiped out cylinder wall.
The only thing to replace on them is the decompression valve they arent as well made as the stihl ones and if they fall apart they put a beating on the piston
I gotta say for a 76cc compared to a ported 96 it carried that aggressive chain without bogging much, just wanna see long-term use and overall life expectancy of a knock off
@@blayden_1n44 do use it daily? For hard use like rpms maxed for 6 to 8+ hours? Just wondering if I should grab one for a cheap back up but if it can't keep up in the woods logging its not worth it so I'm lookin for opinions
Thank you guys for sharing. Just visited Washington State late May of this year. Wife and I on Anniversary for 10 days. I miss home but I love North Carolina. We have some huge Pin Oaks down here. Come down for a few days on me
This is really cool, it would be awesome to see how it ran with a stihl or aftermarket carb, even after he adjusted it, it still didn't sound right on the top end honestly
I thought top end sounded off too. I buy used stihl off Facebook yard sale and I purchased a bunch of new replacement carbs and just bolt on. Real ez and cheap plus they’re still (Stihl) orange. Lol
Hey Brother I've done some logging out in Bellingham Washington im real jealous of you Washington boys man ... Its beautiful country out there. From Massachusetts we don't have the wilderness like you guys.. God bless you Brother from one logger to the next.. Maine and Northern Vermont is probably the same type of country around here...
Really liked this vid!! It had pretty much everything if you like to cut with power saws and these guys really worked well together. Always wondered about the China saws… not too shabby!
Hey I’m in Wildland firefighting and we’ve been using and abusing the 592 Xp and the weight to power is impressive in my opinion the only problem we’ve had is recently it’s been having a slow leak of gas coming from the motor
I’ve waited all year for one and when they finally came I I told my dealer I’ll wait a few months to see what issues arise and let Husqvarna patch that up before I drop the money on one they fixed up issues on the 572 after the first release and I picked up one and had zero issues that were reported . I’m going to give it a few months and see on the 592 but man it was a nice saw you demo the other day
Nice video, enjoy this kind of videos, not that the "usual job" ones were bad or anything. I have a real qustion, is there even a quality american chainsaw brand? Since Stihl is german, Husqvarna is swedish and Echo is japanese i can´t think of any. (I live in Europe where "made in germany" means a bit more than "made in the USA" tbh)
Yeah I'm a "keep them farm cleaned up" chainsaw operator and blew my nephews mind when I started talking directional cuts and holding wood while dropping some dead ash trees recently. Thanks GOT for making me appear to be the great tree wizard LOL
In the beginning I was thinking that saw looks awful small and then I found out I was comparing it to a monster Mitch. Lol. You guys make it look easy.
I'm with you on that one but the only thing is everything that you touch including the thing that you left the comment with is all made in China so I like to see how you can get around that I'm all about f****** China but it's nearly impossible China's got us by the balls it's only facts... Much love 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
It's worth noting that the Chinese make everything. This includes many (or all) of the OEM parts for the name brands. The Chinese don't make crap, they make the best stuff in the world, the worst stuff in the world, and everything in between. It's just that the nice stuff is rebranded with some name brand company and the crap is left with the Chinese branding.
Yeah I think there’s a lot of truth to that, for instance DJI drones are extremely well made and the tech is really advanced. I think your comment nailed it, they make good, bad and everything in between. Although this cheap Stihl knockoff chainsaw isn’t helping the cheap Chinese product stereotype 😂
@@glennmaynard7233 Stihl chainsaws are manufactured in the United States and China. The company has a facility in Virginia Beach, Virginia, and Qingdao, China way to talk out of your ass most of the Stihl home saws are made in China
Sawyer from Montana here, that Mitch Zenobi guy is a badass. I don't think I've seen someone fell so precisely with such little effort ever in my life. Fun video, thanks
I am enjoying watching a new generation of Arborists using the latest technology, tools, gear, and knowledge. Taking tree work to a new level. Sure helps having the internet for getting what you are doing to all of us out there. Am 72, became a licensed Arborist in Ct. back in 1981. Mostly Consult these days, and Tree Warden in my town. In the Ct Statutes outlining the duties of a Tree Warden, the one I am really fond of is “responsible for roadside beauty.” Can’t beat that for part of your job description.
I live in New Zealand, and thoroughly enjoying this new "Guilty of Treeson" RUclips Channel. You have a relaxing, engaging way of communicating your message. It also looks like you have a real "community" of saw men in your part of the world. Great to watch and hear.
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL AMERICANS WAKE UP.
😊 9:27
My youngest son has got this and ported, polished, tuned exhaust using it for one of his milling saws. Its a beast and still kicking after 2 yrs.
Does he run it rich?
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL AMERICANS WAKE UP.
@@fanosoX you don't have to run it rich to be safe, just muffler mod and 33:1 low flash point synthetic oil.
I'm really digging the direction of this new channel and how it's playing out. It really showcases the personalities in the tree work industry. It keeps it "fresh", that's an old 80's term for all you youngsters out there. Thanks for sharing Jake and thanks for the long videos. Nothing worse than getting into a video and then poof, it's over. Take care fella!
I loved you in Dances with Wolves
@@jackmazza5742 Thanks Jack. It was the highlight of my career.
Wow he's really 6"10 Dame
Great comment
Great comment John
I run a old MS460 that has a big bore 54mm kit on it and it does pretty well. Its a hand-me-down saw that was owned by my father who rebuilt it. It was given to him by an old Korean war vet who actually was the one who taught my dad how to fall and cut trees (when he moved to my state before I was born our house had a wood fireplace and he would buy cords of wood prior to him meeting the family friend.) The family friend passed away at age 88. He was slinging around a old 088 until he was 80 or so. I will always treasure this saw.
I have the 660 version, for what it is I really like it. Cut a decent amount of wood with it. The cheesy little gas can for mine though was a mix jug. Filled the small side to the line for the ratio you want and the bog side with gas then shake the can and it auto mixes. Cheesy but cool lol
Any issues with it yet or still awesome?
I'm interested in these.
By far the coolest guy you have worked with since stepping away from east side. Keep up the cool vids man 🤙
Is this a style show? Is that all it is for you? Hmmmn.
10 years ago the clones were 99 bucks free shipping. Bought two and they still run. I even keep them outside in the elements. They always start and run lol
I have an 8yo echo top handle knock off. Still trucking to this day I use it every year. Honestly think it would outlast a real echo
10 years ago, I spent a $1,000 on a stihl. Today use ones go for $1000.
I'm sure this guy could get 99 for his saw too. Also inflation is a bitch.
@gl9500 who saved money for same result
@@gl9500 For me the question is does a 10 year old saw have the functional value of 3 new clone saws and realistically nope...
If anyone gets one of these, tuning these was interesting. We put a tach on mine and it was about 8k on the high end. That's how much they had it tuned down. I think we ended up going 11.5-12k to stay safe. Huge difference.
Why are higher revs better? are they safer? cut better?
@@gabrielcheneyholub3330 it's like running a car in its powerband. It just performs better in this range. It's more efficient, it's more responsive, it cuts smoothly, etc. Every saw has its own powerband/Rev limit you don't want to go over, or like a car, you'll be building a new motor.
@@gabrielcheneyholub3330 more revs=cuts faster, it ain't rocket science.
They'll do 13,500 safely
How do you adjust a saw to increase its revs
That saw held up rather well to be compared to a big ported stihl. My buddy bought a holzforma saw had is 3 years now still runs good. I'm a stilh tech were a licensed Stihl dealer I'm always working on them. Love the content. We're going to buy a couple holzforma saws and throw em into rental see how they hold up.
Rental items are usually treated rough, that'll be a good way to test the saws.
Would love to hear how they are. Any news?
How'd it go?!?
It'd be fun to get one ported and see how it holds up after that.
What's the consensus so far?
@25:45 great advice, after watching your vids I tackled a few smaller gum trees all leaning on a hill. They kept falling the opposite way which was not a problem as we were in the bush and knew it was going that way. Great tip to avoid that
This is gold!! The 90cc ported saw is sick. I thought Ricky Carmichael was riding by
Same!
That little shit is everywhere…
I got mine 2 years ago. My only problem so far was the chain tensioner. It was pot metal. I put a stihl tensioner in it. No more problems. With anything else. Im a happy customer. Saved 900$
Reading forces of standing wood is one thing but reading forces in laying wood is often far more complex! We can fuss and fuss over how to fell the tree then move into bucking with no regard or fear of the outcome. All said I enjoy your videos and you do quality work!
Enjoyed the video - you folks are having way too much fun. Really appreciate the narrative explaining why you do things the way you do. Cheers and all the best!
I bought a Holzfforma G372 about four years ago and it’s now my “Go to” saw. I’m a Stihl guy but I had a Husky bar & chain and for about 190 bucks and free shipping I took a chance. Break them in and get the carb adjusted right and they’re great saws. If need be, there’s always my Stihl 461 to fall back on.
Great video. Just subscribed!
I think the big thing is you can work on these saws before the factory started building them crappy
Keep in mind, Gents. Apples to Apples. To look at efficiency and speed, you'd need to have the same bar, same chain, and ... same RPM ... for each saw, to have a direct comparison. 90 cc can pull more teeth through a piece of wood, but 75 cc could do it faster, if the RPM's were higher. Sorry, I'm a science guy. Thanks for the video, though. Nice to meet ya, Mitch!
Low end torque is a bigger factor than rpm. A slower saw with more low end torque will cut faster than a fast saw with little low end torque. Once that sharp chain bogs down the saw it doesn’t take much for a high torque motor to recover as where a fast motor with little torque will require backing off and cutting slower.
Two interesting points, wonder if a chain saw had a 2 speed trans or gear reduction providing more torque at a lower chain speed, what would be the results? Just food for thought
I’m in Shelton and from Michigan. I’ve been cutting wood my entire life and learned a few tricks!
Happy to help you out (💰) and I really love this channel,it covers all aspects of the tree removal process. Good luck to everyone that entered the raffle.
Thank you!!!
@@GuiltyofTreeson Raffle closed early! WTF?
UGH!!! missed the raffle!! It's ok though really loving the new channel, thanks for sharing all the fun and really great info/instruction/tech tips.
Had my eye on one these for a few months now, cool to see more content on RUclips about these saws.
Identical to the name brand and literally can use their parts. Only bits I've heard to check if having issues been the coils and carb. Mainly coils by a ton. Oe coil replacement and tune it
Love the videos!!! I bought a g660 over a month ago. It's working great so far . Knock on wood! Lol I really like it actually. I am a stihl guy but can't afford that big saw from stihl.
Oh man, such top quality content... thanks for taking the time to make itl!
36:00 the MOST satisfying cut I've seen haha
You guys are awesome I can watch you work all day. Great sense of humor plus I learnt a lot. Thanks.
Unreal work men!.love this video. Bin dumping decent alders for five yrs now and never tried a plunge..I am super inexperienced and can’t wait to limit my barber chairs next year .
Man.. I'm sooo sorry for your loss... I'm gonna start watching this channel now... And forever
i bought the 372xp clone 3 years ago and the 272 clone 2 years ago have ran the saws hard maintained them never had a single issue im gonna be buying more soon probably the mt200 clone to replace my actual mt200 i love the holzfforma saws and you can replace parts on them with oem sthil and husky parts also might get the same saw you have in this video keep up the good content!!!
Got me a 660 blue boy , also have 4 of the real ones . Blue boy in box till rainy day . Got my son the 372 blue boy . And he has had no problems with it . Always been a husky , jonsered guy . Loving the 2165. And 2172 ,great saws in my book . Finaly broke down got a 462cm . After 30 trees down with it . I’m thinking this is now my favorite saw . At 58 and 138 lbs .my 661 all day gets to my little hips and shoulder . The suspension in 462 is incredible . As for the blue boys ,put oem chain tensioner , better spikes . And if carb needs adjusting a lot . Buy the walbro or tillotson real carb for it and you should not have any issues . Can’t say it’s as good as stihl or husky , but price wise , with new carb and tensioner . For weekend guy it’s no brainer .its literally a third of the price from real. But it’s not quite a real one .
The ported 660 is just such a hot saw 😂😂😂. Just when i was like, man that thing’s doing good, then outcomes the 660. Terrible comparison but great to see the difference 😂. Love the vid
Like butter
That Mitch has mad skills! Great video Jacob, your editing just keeps getting better and better 👍 👍
Thanks!
The main thing that you get from the Farmertec/Holzfforma products is inconsistency, which is likely because they skimp on quality assurance as a way to drop the price point. So some people say they're great and some people say they're junk because that's what their individual unit was like. But because they're completely compatible clones, you can swap OEM or other aftermarket parts on to them, and some choice replacements with OEM can make all the difference. In particular, the aftermarket carbs are really hit-or-miss, so replacing it with an OEM can make a world of difference and the saw will still be a great deal.
Which is exactly why NO ONE should send this company, or any other thieving intellectually deprived China company a dime. Stihl products are designed by some of the best engineers and designers in the world for the industry. These nasty chinese just re-label the product and use junk materials to build it. Intellectual theft and to buy this saw is to truly not care.
Dude, this! I was just thinking this.. It sounds identical to a 460. I bet slapping on a new carb, coil and plug, tune it, put on heftier AV mounts and replace parts as they brake, this thing would literally just be a blue 460 basically..
I'm using 2 aftermarket chainsaw carbs right now. Both work great. But the next one???
@@terryrothgeb1684 Only thing is, all said and done could you have bought a name brand saw used for a similar price? I like the idea of this saw as a toy though!
@@Dropsix i guess that's the gamble, ive heard a mixed bag of reviews. Its tempting to try lmfao
I’ve said it before but I would really love a review on the 592 as well! I prefer your reviews because the saw actually gets used and worked instead of cutting a few cookies.
Thanks for another great video - they keep getting better and better 😀
Really enjoyed the vid, I’ve considered one of the blue thunders for milling, and as a power pull power head. I haven’t done a lot of falling in recent years, so fun to see some techniques I never even knew about. Stay safe.
I love watching these videos. I lived in Sequim from 2011 until about 10 months ago when I moved out to TN. Makes me home sick.
Always better off being safe ( the hollow tree ) I was thinking about buying one of those blue saws myself so this was a great video for me thank you.
I built one of their 660 kit saws last year. Also upgraded to their big bore kit. Big box of parts with no instructions. And no labels on parts or hardware. Lot of fun and some frustration.
Couple of issue's. Had to replace a few parts right off the bat before running. The carb was junk. No amount of tuning helped. Replaced with a stock 660 carb. Few other small parts got replaced.
Run's strong. Seems reasonable reliable. Leaks a little gas and oil. I'm sure I'll blow it up or break something sooner or later. But stihl fun to build.
I see what you did there 👍
"I pounded my wedge a little too far. Stupid chinese saw" XD Seemed to handle that 32 inch bar pretty well actually.
Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Good humor, editing and educational content.
I've had 3 460's ...they are great light saw's, for limbing and running around with a 24" bar compared to the 660/880 ... with a barker box and square ground chain it's my favourite saw.
I appreciate the fall that was takin to get that good angle down the log😁👍. 99% of viewers will never understand the forethought & effort it takes to put together an entertaining video. The excessive amount of preplanning & extra work that goes into just recording these videos is insain, and that's not including the crazy amount of time it takes to edit a video.
Good stuff, but I'll stick to my orange & white saws.
Use whatever it takes to get it done though....
STAY SAFE
Jake you make some great videos man!! Thanks for all the info on your falling and the saws!! It’s so helpful
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL US... WAKE UP.
You can definitely tell Mitch has been behind a stump a few times. Great job guys!
You can tell he wont be behind to many more if he keeps ignoring basic safety.
@@74KU real ones log bare chested in flip flops
@@daviddavidson4496 Indeed
Hello from Finland! U have a very nice saw!!👍 I like it!
Thanks for the fun video, and for *not* being yet another gear snob who labels these blue saws trash without even owning one. 👍 I got the G388 (038 mag clone) a couple of months ago. Besides an easy repair to the kill switch it's been great.
Agreed. Obviously for these guys it’s important to have top tier equipment but the average homeowner doesn’t need a $1,000 saw lol.
Really enjoyed your review in the Reel world of the PNW!
It is nice to see there are some good people close by.
I've had a blue 372xp clone with a 52mm big bore kit for over 2 years now and well over 60gallon of fuel. No real issues. Pull cord broke (that happens on OEM too)
Now I have 4 clone 372s and a real 372 as well
People tend to hate these saws. But if you actually spend time with them. They ain't so bad
I've had great success
I have never used one, I know we don't make a saw in America dam shame. I just wish we didn't import from China so much, this is why I won't get one.
@@zachgordon9531 Smaller stihls are made in the USA . Have been for years.
@@onthelake9554 I did not know that, thanks for the information 👍
@@zachgordon9531 I'm so glad to hear you say this - especially as all the others blurting "Yeah, I've got a blue one too...." demonstrate NO awareness at all of the issue.
It's as if they haven't thought far enough ahead to see that the money they are paying goes straight to pay for Chinese hypersonic missile development and for more bribing of African countries to support China, and for more economic and military confidence for Xi. Yet all they can see is a cheap saw.
Just buy originals
First US logger i see on RUclips who is cutting like a professional. Good work buddy!
I have a G660 3rd generation that has about 6 tanks of gas through it. From the store it ran rich and I left it there for two tanks and leaned it some. It’s running strong on 24 to 30 inch rounds so far.
One of my fac vids so far lol. The t shirt is great. I feel more human knowing you also stumble off logs lol. My clone 660 has a little bit of a metal ring to it after break-in but it's still stump cuttin like the little engine that could
Thanks for another great hour of entertainment, Jake! Barkbox, isn’t that also a dog toy subscription box service? lol
Some fantastic shots of the shock-wave when driving wedges in this video. Awesome stuff guys!
The little bottle they come with is a mixing bottle. They work really well if you only need a bit of fuel or need to mix a richer or leaner mix for something specific. Edit as a stihl technician. I’ve seen brand new 462 500 and 390 blown up after a few hours.
Was upset about the China neesians steeling from Stihl
So glad you mentioned legally purchasing the expired patents. How cool is that. I felt instantly better.
As an attorney for 34 years who likes to relax with outdoor clean up, yet still learning to saw. You grow up being taught only to learn you know NOTHING.
Trying to avoid Barber Chairs in southern pines. Thank you for the outstanding job you do in your videos. Accolades well deserved. Excited to learn more. : )
That big Stihl was insanely powerful. It went through a huge trunk like butter.
Yeah they do that in soft wood
Soft green wood
Guilty of threeson Best RUclips channel out here. I have a Facebook group to discuss these saws and you don't get booted for mentioning other brand names or pointing out both the good and the bad. It's "Holzfforma Stihl Husqvarna chainsaw discussion"
Looks like the Chiner saw did ok. I have an 046 Stihl that I've been running for 27 years. Starter ropes and clutches are the only thing it's ever needed, besides routine maintenance. It has thousands of hours on it. Still runs great and has 135 lbs of compression. I'll run it till she blows. Might buy a Chiner saw.
I have an 1970's 045 that I inherited from my father .she still is a Runner too
You out of Forks?
@@eddieb4227 Ha ! I'm in North Bend, but I went to school in Forks. Lived there till I was19 n moved to North Bend. Good guess. Forks, WA, logging Capitol of the world!
@@brianquigley7336 I thought so. When did you leave?
I know the Quigley from there.
@@brianquigley7336 once a spartan, always a spartan!
Thanks for showing this saw from China, I have always wondered how they really do. Great to see you young guys having fun felling trees, doesn't look like work at all. I have a saw collection of over 25 saws, with Husky, Poulan, Jonsered and Sthil. Mostly the bigger saws from the 90s. My go to saw is an old 044 with a big bore kit, I will definitely check out these blue saws. I am also checking out West Coast Saws, Thanks. Stay Safe!!
Just watching you two it's so informative. Really see some cool methods on falling. Like how you jab the blade in the back so it leaves a safety hold... then cut the back fully til it falls. One thing I didn't know is. Calling any chainsaw stock... never knew chainsaws can be beefed up so much and modded
That’s called a boring back cut.
Wow, you really know how to “sizzle the deal” 😂 love it, always get a laugh watching your vids 👌🏻
Even though it wasn’t stock I was honestly surprised how well that saw held up, especially after attaching the 32” bar. A good chain on a shitty saw goes a long way.
It's not a shitty saw though.
@@aaronm.3581 They're a little shity... Design is mainly what makes them worth a damn;)
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL AMERICANS WAKE UP.
@@eriksforestryvision8751 I agree.Nobody would buy a Poulan Wild Thing clone made by a fairly new company in China.Numbers like 660 and 372 xp are the selling point.Along with price of course.
@@eriksforestryvision8751 seems to me it starts, cuts trees down and then turns off just like the Stihl would.
Funny, I’ve been watching your videos for awhile now, and imagine my surprise when I see you doing this video with my brother!
Keep up the good work!
I think it is so great that you get to travel and check out how other men like Mitch work. I am sure you learn something new everywhere you go. Great job!
I finally remembered where I saw some of this before, the live stream back in March. Great carvings from the old stumps.
I was just in Bellingham not that long ago. Good to see you boys out & about. Greetings from the Carolinas.
I think you're finding your groove again! Enjoying seeing all the different people and areas you're visiting. I like gear reviews like this where you just use it and can compare to the name brand or pro version.
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL US... WAKE UP.
Love the reality. Enjoying the work even when things happen always makes the day go by better.
I have a g444 (ms440 clone). I’ve probably cut 50+ cords of hardwoods and dropped some trees with it. I’ve had to replace the handle since it bent and the worm gear just broke (replaced with a Amazon no name). It almost keeps up with my ms462 with a 25” bar. And I don’t have to worry about a $1100+ saw bouncing around when I’m on my tractor.
I have the same saw. Rockin a 32" tsumara bar and stihl rs33 full house chain. I love it
Loved this vudeo!!! Mitch is an animal and Ryan is top notch 👌 next time have Ryan port the next "Blue Thunder" to see what she's got 💯
I feel like this is the saw you keep in your truck box of your pick up if you live in a rural area but go into town a lot. Or on your tractor/atv. Its good enough and big enough to do some unexpected work or clear a fallen tree off the road but cheap enough where if stolen or damaged you don't lose too much sleep over it.
It would be a great saw for cutting the arms and legs off of a thief people have to stop putting up with burglary and thievery and whoop the hell out of them sick and tired of a corrupt court system that makes money off the criminal and the victim gets nothing back how about you stop condoning corruption
Its the exact saw that you can buy from a pawn shop for 350 thats 20 years old but might have 1000 cords on it. Remember theyre comparing a NEW stihl to one designed in the 90s. If thats all you want a 150$ Poland is plenty.
@@mtbassheadyou show me any pawn shop of listing for 70+cc saw with big bar that sell for under $350
@@mtbassheadyou show me any pawn shop of listing for 70+cc saw with big bar that sell for under $350
@@kiradelong9698I'm with you I havent seen a saw priced like that since about 2012
So much cooler channel you not having your ego out of wack like some people. Stay humble and keep showing you faults.
Love this channel
I picked up a g660 about 2 years ago for home use. I've not had a single issue with it. Always starts, runs well, hasn't failed me at all. My buddy got one and had some fuel leaks he needed to fix right away.
Could've easily edited the fall off the log out. Showing your humanity speaks volumes to me. Well done 👏. Good review as well. Keep doing you.....and you're going to surpass your old channel faster than you ever imagined, Jake.
Your boy Paul Bunyan rocking the Stihl logo on his helmet like he’s in the NFL
No wonder he hates on blue thunder
First time seeing you, was a lucky click! You guys rock, I need to get back into some big cuts. Now a subscriber keep it up!
Awesome video, and I love how you take the time to explain everything you did and why.
Such a great explanation at 10.06. Love your videos, explanations and humility. 👍😃😃😃
This comment is not relevant to the saw, but I wanted to say last year my m390 blew up and I replaced it with a m462-cm and immediately put WCS dogs and barkbox on it. After cutting with for a season I'm a customer for life. Gordy makes excellent products that actually perform as intended and described.
Yeah he is a man of integrity for sure I love his products, he’s a friend of mine
@@GuiltyofTreeson I just wish he’d make stuff for Husky’s!
The footage of the movement of top of the tree is what I like to see. I first saw it on Buckin' Billy Ray and I've been hooked.
Hey Jacob I love your channel, keep up the good work man! Nice to see someone put videos up of saw actually being used for more than just making biscuits
EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND ON A CHINESE PRODUCT, BUYS ANOTHER CHINESE BULLET TO KILL US... WAKE UP.
That was right by my house! I used to mow that lawn in the summer haha. Love the content!!
I would of loved an update on this saw after a few weeks of use
Yea same anything?
I’ve got a 92cc 28”bar it’s a beast cut lots of fire wood With it have a friend blew his up right away . Started it up set cold saw in big wood and ripped on it cold every time. Lasted about four hours, right at the exhaust wiped out cylinder wall.
The only thing to replace on them is the decompression valve they arent as well made as the stihl ones and if they fall apart they put a beating on the piston
Great video, watching this while sitting in line at the port townsend ferry. Have cut alot of wood with my original 460.
I gotta say for a 76cc compared to a ported 96 it carried that aggressive chain without bogging much, just wanna see long-term use and overall life expectancy of a knock off
We’ve had ours for about a year and a half and it’s been put through hell and still going strong, we like it better than our stihl saws
@@blayden_1n44 do use it daily? For hard use like rpms maxed for 6 to 8+ hours? Just wondering if I should grab one for a cheap back up but if it can't keep up in the woods logging its not worth it so I'm lookin for opinions
Thank you guys for sharing. Just visited Washington State late May of this year. Wife and I on Anniversary for 10 days. I miss home but I love North Carolina. We have some huge Pin Oaks down here. Come down for a few days on me
This is really cool, it would be awesome to see how it ran with a stihl or aftermarket carb, even after he adjusted it, it still didn't sound right on the top end honestly
I thought top end sounded off too. I buy used stihl off Facebook yard sale and I purchased a bunch of new replacement carbs and just bolt on. Real ez and cheap plus they’re still (Stihl) orange. Lol
Sounded like it was 4 cycling or was hitting a rev limiter???
Hey Brother I've done some logging out in Bellingham Washington im real jealous of you Washington boys man ... Its beautiful country out there. From Massachusetts we don't have the wilderness like you guys.. God bless you Brother from one logger to the next.. Maine and Northern Vermont is probably the same type of country around here...
Those clone saws have come a long way in the last few years, for the firewood guy the cost is pretty good
Maybe you should move to China if you love their equipment that much & take Biden with you so you can further their economy or destroy it.
Really liked this vid!! It had pretty much everything if you like to cut with power saws and these guys really worked well together. Always wondered about the China saws… not too shabby!
Hey I’m in Wildland firefighting and we’ve been using and abusing the 592 Xp and the weight to power is impressive in my opinion the only problem we’ve had is recently it’s been having a slow leak of gas coming from the motor
I’ve waited all year for one and when they finally came I I told my dealer I’ll wait a few months to see what issues arise and let Husqvarna patch that up before I drop the money on one they fixed up issues on the 572 after the first release and I picked up one and had zero issues that were reported . I’m going to give it a few months and see on the 592 but man it was a nice saw you demo the other day
My 562 does the same thing.
Wildland firefighting... I mean if the saw scatters gas everywhere that's some next level job security.
Great content. Just watch out starting the saw with the chain break off dude, then reving straight away after the pull.
Nice video, enjoy this kind of videos, not that the "usual job" ones were bad or anything. I have a real qustion, is there even a quality american chainsaw brand? Since Stihl is german, Husqvarna is swedish and Echo is japanese i can´t think of any. (I live in Europe where "made in germany" means a bit more than "made in the USA" tbh)
Unfortunately not anymore, Mcculloch was American and at the time was amongst the best but they’re long gone.
It’s cool to see the saw tested in a commercial situation. Really liked the video!
You guys make this stuff look easy. Any novice (like me) who's tried to use a chainsaw knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Everyone is a novice in the beginning.
Yeah I'm a "keep them farm cleaned up" chainsaw operator and blew my nephews mind when I started talking directional cuts and holding wood while dropping some dead ash trees recently. Thanks GOT for making me appear to be the great tree wizard LOL
@@rwc2504 my mind would be blown too if I knew what all that meant in the first place.
@Abe Tuaone he has a video explaining the cuts and stuff. Well worth the time if you ever find yourself with a chainsaw in your hands.
In the beginning I was thinking that saw looks awful small and then I found out I was comparing it to a monster Mitch. Lol. You guys make it look easy.
Lol, think I'll stick to German made or Sweden made. As Americans we need to stop buying Chinese anyhow.great vid bro .
I'm with you on that one but the only thing is everything that you touch including the thing that you left the comment with is all made in China so I like to see how you can get around that I'm all about f****** China but it's nearly impossible China's got us by the balls it's only facts... Much love 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
You got dat right !!!!!
Well when so Stihl then , it’s co owned and Chinese parts . Just saying unless it’s the older Stihl saws . Not saying there bad but just saying
Good luck
Heard you were from the NW!
Born in Morton currently live in Preston always good to see another Washingtonian!
Digging the channel my friend
It's worth noting that the Chinese make everything. This includes many (or all) of the OEM parts for the name brands. The Chinese don't make crap, they make the best stuff in the world, the worst stuff in the world, and everything in between. It's just that the nice stuff is rebranded with some name brand company and the crap is left with the Chinese branding.
Yeah I think there’s a lot of truth to that, for instance DJI drones are extremely well made and the tech is really advanced. I think your comment nailed it, they make good, bad and everything in between. Although this cheap Stihl knockoff chainsaw isn’t helping the cheap Chinese product stereotype 😂
I believe your right on the money.
a lot of Stihl parts are made in china. Stihl saws (besides pro saws) are made entirely in china
@@Brian-gt4wz Wrong! You should come here to Virginia Beach to the Stihl facility that produces everything Stihl that's not made in Germany.
@@glennmaynard7233 Stihl chainsaws are manufactured in the United States and China. The company has a facility in Virginia Beach, Virginia, and Qingdao, China way to talk out of your ass most of the Stihl home saws are made in China