I really appreciate the blow by blow breakdown that you employ in your videos. It helps train a thought process that comes in handy when you're in an engagement in War Thunder. After watching your videos (and other YT videos about WT dogfights) I've started to be able to find time to think at combat speeds. I'm still working on that skill, but these breakdowns help. Thanks Magz! Great channel!
War Thunder: Zero vs Zero (Premium A6M2 vs Mod 11) The A6M2 Zero, In my opinion one of the best aircraft at its battle rating and often underestimated. But recently I have been seeing it used less and less, Japanese forces seem to favor the J2M or the Premium F4U and whats more surprising is US forces that have access too it as a Premium with bonuses seem to ignore it as well. Now as much as I am not a fan of cross nation premiums, Well let's be honest mixed battles are making RB less realistic every day so what the hell. Let's fly out the US A6M2 and show what it is truly capable of, By taking on another A6M2. Let me know in the comments if you like this style of video and I'll consider breaking down more individual engagements. I hope you enjoy.
+MagzTV I think the Japanese A6M2 is pretty damn good. Until you push it pass 450km. Generally my tactic to deal with A6M2 Zero series on my tail is to push my plane pass 450km and make a very hard maneuver and watch the poor Bastard in the A6M2 rip his plane. Thing is it doesn't work against A6M5 Zeroes because of the A6M5's much more sturdy frame. A6M3 its about 500km or more you can do that to them as well. This tactic only works on people who don't know the Zero's G force tolerance and rip speed. Also I do have the F4U Corsair, I like the plane in general when I get to boom and zoom Allied teams, thing is I do not have the J2M as I already unlocked the A6M5 series when I got introduced but I believe the J2M is a boom and zoom plane/ energy fighter (I may be wrong). Anyway to this video I don't think the Zero series until the A6M5 series to start boom and zooming as they tend to rip at 530km/h (A6M2 series) 540-580km/h (A6M3 series) and 660-720km/h (A6M5 Series) from straight line dives. A6M5 series in my book is the more flexible A6M series than the other despite I love the A6M2 more than any other prop.
+MagzTV At matches around br 5.0 it is full of J2M and premium FW-190. While I agree these are great planes, but people need to remember A6M are great as well. Yes, they are fragile and have slow speed at high tiers, these are compensated by their great turn rate. A6M are my favourite for quite some time until I have played the Spitfire Mk V
+MasterofBlitz A6M5 is definitely much better than A6M2, but its br means it has to face some tough opponents... And talking about Zero's G tolerance, recently I decided to play A6M2 again after flying A6M3 and 5 for months. And then I decided to bnz someone...
I really like this video format. I think this is something that is an untapped field as far as War Thunder videos go, having detailed breakdowns of maneuvers and strategies instead of entire battles.
Thanks Magz. Another good 'un. I really enjoyed this format with the two showings. Please do it again. Often. It makes for an excellent tutorial. Tying a certain characteristic to a certain aircraft, which can be extended to others like it, and then exploiting that trait for the viewer (with stop motion - YES!) is both entertaining and instructional. That second run through worked well for me. You fought like an aikidoka, using an opponent's energy against him. I will remember that setup and battle and use it. Haven't got a Zero yet but there's one or two Chaikas laying around here somewhere.... Well done, mate, on all counts.
To be honest Magz, awesome video. I'd like the video a lot and you explained everything really understandable. I hope you'll do some more videos of this kind. I wish you a speedy recovery.
As someone who watches your videos for the little tips and tricks Magz, I absolutely loved the way you put this video together - Pausing at each little decision/moment in the fight let you get so much more information out and I really hope you do more videos in this style!
it is so weird, I see the plane with different markings and I think it looks awful the same goes for the US 109... and yet I like the color scheme for US planes. Probably some hard-wired brain stuff for "nostalgic conformity".
Long time lurker and subscriber for just under a year here (on my prvate account). I love your videos and how you explain your thinking and I'd love to see more of this sort of breakdown style videos by you. Your videos not only got me playing WT which I've been ignoring for the last few years but also inspired me to start my own channel and profile it the same way you do (education, explanation instead of just monster games). Keep up the good work Magz!
i love how he did his low turn under you're corkscrew which maintained more alt even though it was descending and put you in a lower speed maneuver forcing that overshoot you froze upon, an example of more experienced piloting!
+Brutish Orc Thank you mate, Glad you enjoyed it. I wasn't sure anyone would like seeing a single engagement. If it proves to be popular I may do more and refine this style a little.
Great video Magz. Hope you feel better soon. We won't hate you if you want to take a day or so off if you want. Would be cool to see more videos in this type of format. As nice as "live" reviews of what happens are, this seems like a far greater way to illustrate exactly what's going on. Granted it does probably require a bit more editing.
This is art. There is something very beautiful with a good turnfight almost poetic if you will. One comes to die while the other one will thrive in the dance of death. Great vid Magz, love my Japanese planes and the zero is one of the legends. ^^
Excellent example of defensive bait flying magz. You make some good point in this video that I understand, and often do in the game, but didn't realize because it became a habit for me. What I mean by that is I have a tendency to bait pilots, but I'm doing it because I want to make it a fair fight, not because I'm testing the other pilots skill. Now that you mention it though I will start taking this into consideration.
i know that being a Warthuder veteran "good fights" are few and far between but that doesn't mean that there are players that are about half way into the game and grinding aircraft should know when or when not to engage on a target even if its 1v1 or a 2v1. He has better odds at winning the overall game and also giving him an assist on top of that. i see nothing wrong with what the p 39 did. P.S. i am not a super experienced Warthunder player but i stand with the mediocre and mid level players who just want to help and get cool aircraft.
@ 06:40 yes! Let the people fight! So many times im in a great fight and some teammate comes in to try to steal the kill. If your teammate doesnt look like they need help leave them alone and cover their 6. Thanks Magz for throwing that out there :)
Also for the Japanese corsair spam. It's due to the 2.7 br. It should be around 3.0-3.3. It clubs everything on the allied teams at that br with 6 Fifty cals.
Nice one, Magz. An excellent demonstration of the principles of aikido: use your opponent's strengths against them. Appropriate for flying a Japanese aircraft.
"good engagements are few and far between" Ain't that the truth. I got into an honest to god flat scissors against a russian pilot in my 109 a few days ago, and the fact that the guy was doing something other than just constantly trying to point his nose at me was really cool. It wasn't a fantastic engagement- he didn't do anything too out of the ordinary, he just practiced some decent defensive BFM against me and was rewarded by getting away with his plane mostly intact when one of his buddies forced me to disengage.
@Magz, after the overshoot when you were pulling up, personally I wouldn't of used the flaps. This is because I would of saved energy this enabling me to finish that zero here and there in that stall. Instead what happened you bled the energy with flaps and didn't kill him them which made you lose all your altitude to dive after him
honestly I love the A6M2, it's one of my favorite low tier fighters and I do have the american premium one. I have no idea why it isn't flown as much as it is a fantastic and extremely maneuverable aircraft, has good guns, and to top it all of it is a decent climber as well.
+CaboosyMamusi Its because one hit and you turn into a candle and die haha It's a great plane for skilled pilots who know how how to really make use of the turning ability, but not for newer players
I've spaded every single Zeros in the tech tree, but I don't have any premium Zero, because I don't think there is a point of getting it, especially the american one. For the american, there is also a lot good fighters (Hellcat, Thunderbolt etc) at the same BR range that I just don't think I need to pay for a Zero. On the other hand, I am spamming F4U a lot atm because from my experience, 8 of 10 matches on the american side, we would lose simply because the teammates denies to climb, and always tries to dogfight at treetop level. So I play the Japanese F4U to enjoy the American machine while making sure I could get some decent teammates. (Somehow of all 5 nations, American is the one that least favorite climbing.) Anyway, love your channel, Magz. Your videos really let me learn a lot and improved my gameplays in RB.
The reason people fly the Japanese F4U-1d Corsair is because the Japanese Corsair has a 500% lions booster, and it gets on maps like Saipan, where it can grind through all the F6F AI and make 100,000+ lions. That is the reason me, and many other level 100s go back down to tier 2 Japanese just to get houndreds of thousands of lions.
There's a couple of issues that I think are why the Zero isn't as popular anymore, and of these, only one of those aircraft has anything to do with the plane itself (and even then it's only part of the problem in that particular case): 1) It's not fast enough to catch runners. Look, we all know that at least every other game, there's going to be THAT guy on the Allied team who is the last one alive and climbs to space and runs away in a P-47 as soon as things start going sour for his team (and it was these assholes that are the primary reason I missed out on getting the A-26, because they would just waste everyone's time and made it impossible to hit that 80% activity criteria, and nine times out of ten, it was somebody in a P-47). The J2M and F4U at least stand somewhat of a chance of catching those runners, but the A6M2 doesn't have a prayer of doing so unless said P-47 decides to land and is able to run the gauntlet of the enemy AAA (which isn't easy in a relatively slow aircraft). 2) The most significant reason for why I myself haven't flown ANY of the Zeroes a lot lately, the implementation of the G-Lock mechanic. Whether intentional or not, this was a HUGE indirect nerf to turn fighters and a significant buff to energy fighters, as turn fighters like the A6M are now far more limited in their ability to fly defensively because the pilots are constantly blacking themselves out from pulling so many Gs unless their pilot is fully-trained, but even that isn't enough sometimes. This mechanic is the primary reason why my K/D ratio in several Japanese planes has dropped, because of the G-Lock mechanic kicking in at the worst possible time and either making it impossible to pull out of a dive or, more frequently, paralyzing my aircraft right as it enters an enemy's line of fire. The Japanese aren't the only ones suffering from this (the lower-tiered British and to a lesser extent the Russians were affected by this as well) but it hit them harder than anyone else, by far.
@Magztv don't worry about your voice mate as long as your okay all I care about great job as well you to me are one of the greatest you tubers in the world
Magz, would you be able to do a video/review of the Ki-43 III? I fly this aircraft almost exclusively and I'd say that the thing is a borderline UFO. It can easily turn inside a Zero and outrun an FW190 at 8k meters, as well as virtually any russian aircraft, despite the fact that these planes were supposedly horrid at high altitude.
I use it in sim all the time, the only time I use it is when a see a captured corsair or something else american being used, then I use it and go to town. I have no problem using it when both sides have the same advantage
I love this style of video. I know war thunder is hard to play now, but if from times to times i get a vid like that, i'll fly smarter and safer. But please don't force yourself to play WT, i'd rather watch you play something you enjoy, and when it's not WT, no biggie. (You were right about xcom2 for example, i wouldn't watch that, but it's because i'll do it later ^^)
Hey Mags, I find that when I'm flying sim battles I us my rudder to help roll the plane when using ailerons to help roll faster... Do you fond this a feasible option ??? Appreciate your in put, as I see you were just using your ailerons to roll in that dog fight....
I was reading the video description and I must ask this Why does everyone hate mixed battle? Everyone who plays this game seems to not give a crap about gameplay over historical accuracy, key word: seems. Every argument against it I heard is: "It's not realistic" Well, I think it adds a whole new dynamic to the game. Typically, a nation has one general strategy with their planes as they share common traits. In a mixed battle, you have to consider that you fighting multiple types of aircraft and thus you have to fight different strategies. To me, this is much more interesting than fighting a nation of 90% turn fighters or a nation of 90% energy fighters.
It splits the teams into different roles as you say... Leading to more stupidity, less communication, and less overall teamwork... What if you were the only BnZ plane on your team with all turn fighters and the enemy is all BnZ and one turnfighter... Unless the enemy is stupid you and your team will get annihilated
Jonathan Morris So it's not the game mode itself, just what happens in it. I haven't really noticed it. I'm still a noob, but I'm aspiring to get better. I'm trying to learn the game, but keep getting burnt out because I'm tired of flying the same few aircraft for grinding new ones. I'm in tier IV right now with a P-51 and a Bearcat and I've also just got into tier III with British Aircraft
It's fun doing this with a BF109F-1 or BF109F-2, the two most agile BF109's in War Thunder vs higher battle rated aircraft on Custom Battle. Lure them into a turn fight and easy win after that. Yaks and Spitfires even have problems fighting BF109F-1 and F-2 fighters, only downside is the F-1 and F-2 suffer firepower issues... F-1 with a FF/M 20mm cannon with 60 rounds and the F-2 has a 15mm MG151 which relies on AP Incendiary rounds to take down planes. That being said, it isn't a problem if you aim your shots. 15mm AP incendiary is wonderful for starting fires for example, even killed a B29 with a single pass. lol
Distinctive sound of a radial nonetheless! My wife laughs at my airplane engine sound collection! And thinks I'm a nerd! Embrace your inner nerd I say!
Hey Magz, I'm a fairly new subscriber and I'm absolute shit at WT aviation. I was wondering if you could post more videos in a similar format to this one, as this feels like a very efficient way of demonstrating the patterns and necessary reactions that must ensue in a dogfight. As for the comments, if anyone knows where I can find more helpful videos to improve my flying, I'm all ears.
I think the Zero is great only vs people with no idea how to play correctly with the opponents you always find at that level. If you find yourself against a BnZer who actually knows what he's doing (ie. not turnfight against you), the Zero pilot has no chance - he can only win if the enemy makes a mistake, or if someone else comes to the rescue. Would like to see a Zero vs Spitfire though, with two good pilots behind the controls. Edit: also, don't forget you have thousands of flight in your crew and it's probably maxed out. A lot of players would have G-locked sooner (or would have less maneuvreability on the controls) compared to you. That of course doesn't take anything off your skill level.
Personally I absolutely LOVE the a6m2 mod 11- as well as the ki 61's especially (to my suprise) the hei. I just only started playing the a6m2 naval plane a coupple of days ago and got a trophy talisman on it after the first match. After spading it..It feels like nerfing myself. Take off from carrier.. And feels slightly less manouverable or heavier perhaps. Sort of like the a6m3. My biggest problem with it though is the 3 second or so "start up time" on takeoff. But I want those skins so thats a good carrot for me to keep playing the a6m2. The only reason I am not playing the a6m2 and the ki 61 i Otsu even more is the daily challenges. I feel they sort of ruin some of the fun.
It would of been a different fight if he would of taken it into the vertical.. He lost the fight in the 1st few turns he made. Would of probably been the same out come seeing how it was a 2 on 1 engagement. Great video as usual Magz.
Joshua Dorn I think you dropped some more money back there. Maybe it was a quarter this time, a real keeper! Better go pick it up, before someone else finds it!.... LoL
In the p-39's defence, I think I saw him chasing before you made your initial defensive turn, it was possible he had already committed to the attack you commented on a bit before it was obvious you had turned the tables. True that if he had read the situation better he would know you had a handle on it, but just a thought, particularly with the obscuring cloud at that point, he may have already committed and not had a clear picture of the relative state of your individual engagement. Don't be to hard on him, he tried. :P
+Stan Mckhanic Oh I wasn't being hard on the pilot so much which is why I didn't call him out by name, and to be fair he seem to realize the situation after his pass and disengaged. It was more of an in general to the WT community thing, When most of the enemy team is still up there are plenty of kills to go around there is no need to waste energy on an aircraft that is already under control. I hesitated to even put it in.
I hate that in arcade you can't pull proper maneuvers like that, but I can't seem to convince the guys I play with to join me in realistic. And frankly I'm not interested in playing realistic by myself...
MagZ, how do you know how far to push the zero? Through experience? I would've never dared to pull those turns towards the end at those speeds if I had been in your shoes at that time, so I was curious as to how you determine how much to push the zero.
He did a amazing dogfight, but when his opponent dived he might as well have left him go after the warning burst cuz i my experiance a zero thats that low isint a threat. And when magz killed him the was basicly rock bottem and couldent really participate in the "match deciding fight" at alt.
Hey Magz, i was wondering if you could give the meteor mk3 a shot with the updated BR of 8.0 and maybe give some tips on how to counter enemies such as sabres
Ah this makes me miss a good defensive barrel roll. I used to get myself in trouble deliberately so I could outfly the enemy and feel like a boss. Is War Thunder worth going back to right now?
The problem with the a6m2 is with any kind of uptier, even just to 3.7, planes like the p47d, p63a5, and hellcat can club it if they know what they are doing, the j2m on the other hand remains competitive.
Alright, I gotta ask, what is your crew's G-tolerance and stamina? Cause I would've had about a quarter of maneuver time as you through that fight, and it is possible I would've blacked out just pulling the aircraft out of the dive.
Magz, what about the M3 and M5s BRs? Having spaded the M3s recently and trying to spade the M5s, I'd say that the Zeros past the M2 variants are over tired like crazy and suffer as a result (A6M5s fight Griffons and Bearcats.... Seriously, 5.0/5.3 for an M5?). I ask you to consider the later Zeros and maybe give them a go whilst comparing/analyzing their BR, because I sure as hell am convinced that, unless you face absolute donkeys in them, they're just useless.
+RedDerRot Ive had the later zeros on channel as well, I have no issue with the M3's or the M5's at all. The A6M5 premium is still my favorite grinder for Japan. They do require a higher skill cap to use but flown correctly you can make pretty much any allied aircraft in the game spew cannon rounds into empty air trying to hit you while taking your time to line up a nice kill shot.
+MagzTV Yet the A7Ms, planes designed to take the Zeros role, sit at BR 4.0 and are considerably better. "Higher skill cap" in this sense to me basically means "Gaijin screwed us, so we have to git gud and deal with it". Basically, plane scenarios like the FR47 and Meteor Mk.3. It's dumb, especially since the same planes the M2s face can still easily kill the M3s/M5s the same way they kill M2s. There's only about a 50-60kph max speed difference between the M2s and M5s after all, and they all handle about the same.
+RedDerRot And that's the problem, Your thinking in terms of speed. Zeros don't fight with speed, In fact if they are at max speed they are often less maneuverable than the planes they are fighting. You don't chase people down in a zero, You sit somewhere in plain sight and wait for the enemy to come to you, After all they cant shoot you down from the other side of the map so they will come. In general a fight in my A6M5 vs say a Bearcat or a Gryphon spit involves me cruising around at 10kish waiting for them to arrive, Then dodging the first boom, Then the second and then the 3rd, Doing very much what you see in this video, letting the enemy slowly bleed of all its speed and get frustrated at there own ineffectiveness. Once they are slow enough I turn in on them lining up for a shot on one of there zooms away from me, If I aim well I usually land a critical strike on them if not kill the pilot. If there still alive and they begin to engage me in close quarters I kill them, If they run it's usually to there own runway so I follow and kill them as there slowing down to land. I can usually maintain this kind of fight with up to three aircraft at once however beyond that there are often just too many shells in the air to avoid. And if you are in a 4vs1 fight then it's highly likely you are the last man standing on your team in the first place. In the end the zero is not about rushing to a target at high BR's its about patience, You are less of an active hunter and more of a trapper.
True. It's just frustrating to fly for me I guess. Usually when I try to dodge a boom/zoom, it usually ends up in me dying. Not sure what I'm doing wrong there but I guess it's something to practice.
+MagzTV Well I agree. But if the enemy also has patience and just BnZ all day long without losing initial energy, you can't do anything. After the dodging the attack you basically bleed too much speed to be able to catch the target when it's zooming away (as if Zero can has lot of speed anyway). Also there's G-lock now. But if the enemy is stupid, it's a real fun plane to fly. Once shot down a VK107, felt sooooo gooooood..... But I think the Ki-43 III is actually better or just very slightly worse than A6M5.
And again Magz, I do almost hear no difference in your voice, seriously! you're not gonna believe me on this, will you? :D EDIT: alright, you can hear it better then yesterday's video
Magz, a little question, unrelated to this video, but I look for an opinion of a skilled pilot. Headon engagements. I do try to avoid them at all cost, but there are situations when you just don't have enough time to turn copletely away from it before the shots are fired. How do you deal with such situations? I tend to go in with guns blazing untill something like 900meters to enemy, then try to duck out of their line of fire. It works to some degree but I oftenly find myself being killed with just a single lucky hit. How would you advise to deal with such situation?
+Timur Pirkhal I may not be Magz, but I hope to offer some advice if I may. Aim a little above the target, depending on which guns you are using, and open fire at 1.5km. At 1.2km, roll off hard and either dive or bank away. If an enemy fires at 1.5km and you keep firing until .9km, he is likely already turned away and no longer threatened by your fire, while you have a bunch of lead he fired a second ago coming straight for your pilot. It's all about timing.
+Vin-G Not quite, Popping landing flaps would have allowed a tighter turn but would have cost me the speed I was using to stay ahead of the Mod 11's guns making it much easier for it to get a kill shot on me. The only reason to do that would have been to force a head on with the mod 11 which would have been a foolish and needless risk in this fight.
This video made me sad that the Dogfights series idea fell through. :(
Are you talking about History Channels Dog Fights? I loved that series and learned a shit ton from it when I first played War Thunder!
I really appreciate the blow by blow breakdown that you employ in your videos. It helps train a thought process that comes in handy when you're in an engagement in War Thunder. After watching your videos (and other YT videos about WT dogfights) I've started to be able to find time to think at combat speeds. I'm still working on that skill, but these breakdowns help. Thanks Magz! Great channel!
It really helped that I could watch the engagement over again without interruption. Thanks Magz!
War Thunder: Zero vs Zero (Premium A6M2 vs Mod 11)
The A6M2 Zero, In my opinion one of the best aircraft at its battle rating and often underestimated. But recently I have been seeing it used less and less, Japanese forces seem to favor the J2M or the Premium F4U and whats more surprising is US forces that have access too it as a Premium with bonuses seem to ignore it as well.
Now as much as I am not a fan of cross nation premiums, Well let's be honest mixed battles are making RB less realistic every day so what the hell. Let's fly out the US A6M2 and show what it is truly capable of, By taking on another A6M2.
Let me know in the comments if you like this style of video and I'll consider breaking down more individual engagements. I hope you enjoy.
+MagzTV I think the Japanese A6M2 is pretty damn good. Until you push it pass 450km. Generally my tactic to deal with A6M2 Zero series on my tail is to push my plane pass 450km and make a very hard maneuver and watch the poor Bastard in the A6M2 rip his plane. Thing is it doesn't work against A6M5 Zeroes because of the A6M5's much more sturdy frame. A6M3 its about 500km or more you can do that to them as well. This tactic only works on people who don't know the Zero's G force tolerance and rip speed. Also I do have the F4U Corsair, I like the plane in general when I get to boom and zoom Allied teams, thing is I do not have the J2M as I already unlocked the A6M5 series when I got introduced but I believe the J2M is a boom and zoom plane/ energy fighter (I may be wrong). Anyway to this video I don't think the Zero series until the A6M5 series to start boom and zooming as they tend to rip at 530km/h (A6M2 series) 540-580km/h (A6M3 series) and 660-720km/h (A6M5 Series) from straight line dives. A6M5 series in my book is the more flexible A6M series than the other despite I love the A6M2 more than any other prop.
+MagzTV At matches around br 5.0 it is full of J2M and premium FW-190. While I agree these are great planes, but people need to remember A6M are great as well. Yes, they are fragile and have slow speed at high tiers, these are compensated by their great turn rate. A6M are my favourite for quite some time until I have played the Spitfire Mk V
+MasterofBlitz A6M5 is definitely much better than A6M2, but its br means it has to face some tough opponents...
And talking about Zero's G tolerance, recently I decided to play A6M2 again after flying A6M3 and 5 for months. And then I decided to bnz someone...
Lai SY
You could do that in a A6M2 Zero, but I for one would never recommend it as I feel like the Zero would reach its rip speed quite quickly
MasterofBlitz Oh I should add I tried to bnz like I usually do in A6M5, dive at high speed, and turn. Forgot that A6M2 can't handle Gs like A6M5 do.
I really like this video format. I think this is something that is an untapped field as far as War Thunder videos go, having detailed breakdowns of maneuvers and strategies instead of entire battles.
Thanks Magz. Another good 'un.
I really enjoyed this format with the two showings. Please do it again. Often. It makes for an excellent tutorial.
Tying a certain characteristic to a certain aircraft, which can be extended to others like it, and then exploiting that trait for the viewer (with stop motion - YES!) is both entertaining and instructional. That second run through worked well for me. You fought like an aikidoka, using an opponent's energy against him. I will remember that setup and battle and use it.
Haven't got a Zero yet but there's one or two Chaikas laying around here somewhere....
Well done, mate, on all counts.
To be honest Magz, awesome video. I'd like the video a lot and you explained everything really understandable. I hope you'll do some more videos of this kind.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
As someone who watches your videos for the little tips and tricks Magz, I absolutely loved the way you put this video together - Pausing at each little decision/moment in the fight let you get so much more information out and I really hope you do more videos in this style!
A++ name coverup Magz!
+Marc Hess, Jr :D
Cool vid, Magz. I always learn something useful from them, and slowing down the fight to explain
your tactics helps even more.
Everyone, if you see a kangaroo flying an aircraft, shoot it down, it's Magz! (Love the name cover up Magz)
JollyShot what if you see a kiwi flying a CAC boomerang
Magz warthunder videos, one of the few things on my sub box i always watch immidiately. And has been so for ages. Never stop
it is so weird, I see the plane with different markings and I think it looks awful the same goes for the US 109... and yet I like the color scheme for US planes. Probably some hard-wired brain stuff for "nostalgic conformity".
Long time lurker and subscriber for just under a year here (on my prvate account). I love your videos and how you explain your thinking and I'd love to see more of this sort of breakdown style videos by you. Your videos not only got me playing WT which I've been ignoring for the last few years but also inspired me to start my own channel and profile it the same way you do (education, explanation instead of just monster games). Keep up the good work Magz!
Makes me wish I had the patience and awareness to fly like that. Very well done video, as always Magz.
i love how he did his low turn under you're corkscrew which maintained more alt even though it was descending and put you in a lower speed maneuver forcing that overshoot you froze upon, an example of more experienced piloting!
Please upload more videos like this! Love watching and learning. Thanks!
Awesome video, as always. Love the new format! Highly instructional.
I've been subscribed to magz for almost a year now I think this is one of his best videos to date that I have seen
+Brutish Orc Thank you mate, Glad you enjoyed it. I wasn't sure anyone would like seeing a single engagement. If it proves to be popular I may do more and refine this style a little.
As a Japanese and FW-190 Anton player, the overshoot in dogfights is something I'm often doing.
These were very beautiful maneuvers, Magz, well done.
Reminds me of a video I did a while back for RoF. I call it "sucker-baiting."
Great video Magz. Hope you feel better soon. We won't hate you if you want to take a day or so off if you want.
Would be cool to see more videos in this type of format. As nice as "live" reviews of what happens are, this seems like a far greater way to illustrate exactly what's going on. Granted it does probably require a bit more editing.
I could watch break down videos like this all day.
Great vid mate! You should do a series of a single dlgfight where u explain all you are doing, i would really enjoy it
That was a really interesting and useful video to watch. You should definitely show these dogfights more often.
This is art. There is something very beautiful with a good turnfight almost poetic if you will. One comes to die while the other one will thrive in the dance of death. Great vid Magz, love my Japanese planes and the zero is one of the legends. ^^
i like that u are doing videos different then anybody else keep up the good vids
"This is where the fight begins" no Magz this is where you start aiming and shooting XD
Awesome flying Magz.
Love the new style keep it up!
Beautiful dogfight there. I'd love to see more videos like this.
This was very interesting. I will mind this in the next engagement :)
Excellent example of defensive bait flying magz. You make some good point in this video that I understand, and often do in the game, but didn't realize because it became a habit for me. What I mean by that is I have a tendency to bait pilots, but I'm doing it because I want to make it a fair fight, not because I'm testing the other pilots skill. Now that you mention it though I will start taking this into consideration.
i know that being a Warthuder veteran "good fights" are few and far between but that doesn't mean that there are players that are about half way into the game and grinding aircraft should know when or when not to engage on a target even if its 1v1 or a 2v1. He has better odds at winning the overall game and also giving him an assist on top of that. i see nothing wrong with what the p 39 did. P.S. i am not a super experienced Warthunder player but i stand with the mediocre and mid level players who just want to help and get cool aircraft.
@ 06:40 yes! Let the people fight! So many times im in a great fight and some teammate comes in to try to steal the kill. If your teammate doesnt look like they need help leave them alone and cover their 6. Thanks Magz for throwing that out there :)
5:30 "...and this is the point where he knew he fucked up"
Also for the Japanese corsair spam. It's due to the 2.7 br. It should be around 3.0-3.3. It clubs everything on the allied teams at that br with 6 Fifty cals.
Nice one, Magz.
An excellent demonstration of the principles of aikido: use your opponent's strengths against them. Appropriate for flying a Japanese aircraft.
cockpit with the grin painted on creates a cute looking being. at 3:52
Magz keep on doing ur hard work
"good engagements are few and far between"
Ain't that the truth. I got into an honest to god flat scissors against a russian pilot in my 109 a few days ago, and the fact that the guy was doing something other than just constantly trying to point his nose at me was really cool. It wasn't a fantastic engagement- he didn't do anything too out of the ordinary, he just practiced some decent defensive BFM against me and was rewarded by getting away with his plane mostly intact when one of his buddies forced me to disengage.
@Magz, after the overshoot when you were pulling up, personally I wouldn't of used the flaps. This is because I would of saved energy this enabling me to finish that zero here and there in that stall. Instead what happened you bled the energy with flaps and didn't kill him them which made you lose all your altitude to dive after him
It's insane how much climb rate the zero gets with mec too
honestly I love the A6M2, it's one of my favorite low tier fighters and I do have the american premium one. I have no idea why it isn't flown as much as it is a fantastic and extremely maneuverable aircraft, has good guns, and to top it all of it is a decent climber as well.
+CaboosyMamusi Its because one hit and you turn into a candle and die haha
It's a great plane for skilled pilots who know how how to really make use of the turning ability, but not for newer players
I've spaded every single Zeros in the tech tree, but I don't have any premium Zero, because I don't think there is a point of getting it, especially the american one. For the american, there is also a lot good fighters (Hellcat, Thunderbolt etc) at the same BR range that I just don't think I need to pay for a Zero.
On the other hand, I am spamming F4U a lot atm because from my experience, 8 of 10 matches on the american side, we would lose simply because the teammates denies to climb, and always tries to dogfight at treetop level. So I play the Japanese F4U to enjoy the American machine while making sure I could get some decent teammates. (Somehow of all 5 nations, American is the one that least favorite climbing.)
Anyway, love your channel, Magz. Your videos really let me learn a lot and improved my gameplays in RB.
Nice video, I hope you recover soon!
Will there be a video on the Ki-83 soon?
+Mr Blake! I'm trying to do some of the new aircraft first, However it is on the short list as I haven't had an 83 on channel in some time.
+MagzTV The 83 is new mate. :D
+MagzTV Ki-83 is a new plane mate. It is the new twin engine fighter in the fourth rank after the Ki-102.
+MagzTV The Ki-83 Is new!
+Axilur My bad, I was thinking of the other Ki, Never mind. Brain is not working fully today. As soon as I have unlocked it then.
The reason people fly the Japanese F4U-1d Corsair is because the Japanese Corsair has a 500% lions booster, and it gets on maps like Saipan, where it can grind through all the F6F AI and make 100,000+ lions. That is the reason me, and many other level 100s go back down to tier 2 Japanese just to get houndreds of thousands of lions.
There's a couple of issues that I think are why the Zero isn't as popular anymore, and of these, only one of those aircraft has anything to do with the plane itself (and even then it's only part of the problem in that particular case):
1) It's not fast enough to catch runners. Look, we all know that at least every other game, there's going to be THAT guy on the Allied team who is the last one alive and climbs to space and runs away in a P-47 as soon as things start going sour for his team (and it was these assholes that are the primary reason I missed out on getting the A-26, because they would just waste everyone's time and made it impossible to hit that 80% activity criteria, and nine times out of ten, it was somebody in a P-47). The J2M and F4U at least stand somewhat of a chance of catching those runners, but the A6M2 doesn't have a prayer of doing so unless said P-47 decides to land and is able to run the gauntlet of the enemy AAA (which isn't easy in a relatively slow aircraft).
2) The most significant reason for why I myself haven't flown ANY of the Zeroes a lot lately, the implementation of the G-Lock mechanic. Whether intentional or not, this was a HUGE indirect nerf to turn fighters and a significant buff to energy fighters, as turn fighters like the A6M are now far more limited in their ability to fly defensively because the pilots are constantly blacking themselves out from pulling so many Gs unless their pilot is fully-trained, but even that isn't enough sometimes. This mechanic is the primary reason why my K/D ratio in several Japanese planes has dropped, because of the G-Lock mechanic kicking in at the worst possible time and either making it impossible to pull out of a dive or, more frequently, paralyzing my aircraft right as it enters an enemy's line of fire. The Japanese aren't the only ones suffering from this (the lower-tiered British and to a lesser extent the Russians were affected by this as well) but it hit them harder than anyone else, by far.
@Magztv don't worry about your voice mate as long as your okay all I care about great job as well you to me are one of the greatest you tubers in the world
Magz, would you be able to do a video/review of the Ki-43 III? I fly this aircraft almost exclusively and I'd say that the thing is a borderline UFO. It can easily turn inside a Zero and outrun an FW190 at 8k meters, as well as virtually any russian aircraft, despite the fact that these planes were supposedly horrid at high altitude.
ever thought of maybe livestreaming these kinds of things magz?
Experience the battles.. dissect the tactics.. relive the doghtfights!
I remember bringing the premium a6m2 into sim battles with the skin that made it Japanese again. I felt like such a cock. But it was so much fun.
Dick move, mate ^^
+Clayton I'm apprehensive enough about flying it out in RB. I wouldn't dare ever use it in sim.
And that is one of the many reasons people, me included, don't like captured premium aircraft.
I use it in sim all the time, the only time I use it is when a see a captured corsair or something else american being used, then I use it and go to town. I have no problem using it when both sides have the same advantage
Hey Magz, what do you think of Ta152c? Will you make a video of it?
I love this style of video. I know war thunder is hard to play now, but if from times to times i get a vid like that, i'll fly smarter and safer.
But please don't force yourself to play WT, i'd rather watch you play something you enjoy, and when it's not WT, no biggie.
(You were right about xcom2 for example, i wouldn't watch that, but it's because i'll do it later ^^)
Hey Mags, I find that when I'm flying sim battles I us my rudder to help roll the plane when using ailerons to help roll faster... Do you fond this a feasible option ??? Appreciate your in put, as I see you were just using your ailerons to roll in that dog fight....
I was reading the video description and I must ask this
Why does everyone hate mixed battle? Everyone who plays this game seems to not give a crap about gameplay over historical accuracy, key word: seems. Every argument against it I heard is: "It's not realistic" Well, I think it adds a whole new dynamic to the game. Typically, a nation has one general strategy with their planes as they share common traits. In a mixed battle, you have to consider that you fighting multiple types of aircraft and thus you have to fight different strategies. To me, this is much more interesting than fighting a nation of 90% turn fighters or a nation of 90% energy fighters.
It splits the teams into different roles as you say... Leading to more stupidity, less communication, and less overall teamwork... What if you were the only BnZ plane on your team with all turn fighters and the enemy is all BnZ and one turnfighter... Unless the enemy is stupid you and your team will get annihilated
And I personally don't like the historical inaccuracy
Jonathan Morris So it's not the game mode itself, just what happens in it. I haven't really noticed it. I'm still a noob, but I'm aspiring to get better. I'm trying to learn the game, but keep getting burnt out because I'm tired of flying the same few aircraft for grinding new ones. I'm in tier IV right now with a P-51 and a Bearcat and I've also just got into tier III with British Aircraft
I'd love to play against you Zero vs Zero, Magz
It's fun doing this with a BF109F-1 or BF109F-2, the two most agile BF109's in War Thunder vs higher battle rated aircraft on Custom Battle. Lure them into a turn fight and easy win after that. Yaks and Spitfires even have problems fighting BF109F-1 and F-2 fighters, only downside is the F-1 and F-2 suffer firepower issues... F-1 with a FF/M 20mm cannon with 60 rounds and the F-2 has a 15mm MG151 which relies on AP Incendiary rounds to take down planes. That being said, it isn't a problem if you aim your shots. 15mm AP incendiary is wonderful for starting fires for example, even killed a B29 with a single pass. lol
Quick question mate, your new intro, Wright Cyclone or Pratt and Whitney? It is a radial I'm guessing ...
+clandebouyekid Good ear, Pratt and Whitney.
Distinctive sound of a radial nonetheless! My wife laughs at my airplane engine sound collection! And thinks I'm a nerd! Embrace your inner nerd I say!
I think Magz hit puberty
Catching Magz on the enemy team is the last thing I wanna do
Scariest part is that you will have no idea it's him
Josh Wetzel Isn't his user Magz or something? Or does he smurf?
+V.T.O.L. Fried Chicken I met him once.
He was on my team and he crashed when landing. 0 kills. That happens
R4pt0r64 yeh everyone has bad days
Hey Magz, I'm a fairly new subscriber and I'm absolute shit at WT aviation. I was wondering if you could post more videos in a similar format to this one, as this feels like a very efficient way of demonstrating the patterns and necessary reactions that must ensue in a dogfight. As for the comments, if anyone knows where I can find more helpful videos to improve my flying, I'm all ears.
Man, you make it look easy.
I think the Zero is great only vs people with no idea how to play correctly with the opponents you always find at that level. If you find yourself against a BnZer who actually knows what he's doing (ie. not turnfight against you), the Zero pilot has no chance - he can only win if the enemy makes a mistake, or if someone else comes to the rescue.
Would like to see a Zero vs Spitfire though, with two good pilots behind the controls.
Edit: also, don't forget you have thousands of flight in your crew and it's probably maxed out. A lot of players would have G-locked sooner (or would have less maneuvreability on the controls) compared to you. That of course doesn't take anything off your skill level.
Personally I absolutely LOVE the a6m2 mod 11- as well as the ki 61's especially (to my suprise) the hei. I just only started playing the a6m2 naval plane a coupple of days ago and got a trophy talisman on it after the first match. After spading it..It feels like nerfing myself. Take off from carrier.. And feels slightly less manouverable or heavier perhaps. Sort of like the a6m3. My biggest problem with it though is the 3 second or so "start up time" on takeoff. But I want those skins so thats a good carrot for me to keep playing the a6m2.
The only reason I am not playing the a6m2 and the ki 61 i Otsu even more is the daily challenges. I feel they sort of ruin some of the fun.
It would of been a different fight if he would of taken it into the vertical.. He lost the fight in the 1st few turns he made.
Would of probably been the same out come seeing how it was a 2 on 1 engagement.
Great video as usual Magz.
Joshua Dorn lol, be careful not to trip over your nose my man!
Joshua Dorn I think you dropped some more money back there. Maybe it was a quarter this time, a real keeper! Better go pick it up, before someone else finds it!.... LoL
Joshua Dorn Shalom
In the p-39's defence, I think I saw him chasing before you made your initial defensive turn, it was possible he had already committed to the attack you commented on a bit before it was obvious you had turned the tables. True that if he had read the situation better he would know you had a handle on it, but just a thought, particularly with the obscuring cloud at that point, he may have already committed and not had a clear picture of the relative state of your individual engagement. Don't be to hard on him, he tried. :P
+Stan Mckhanic Oh I wasn't being hard on the pilot so much which is why I didn't call him out by name, and to be fair he seem to realize the situation after his pass and disengaged. It was more of an in general to the WT community thing, When most of the enemy team is still up there are plenty of kills to go around there is no need to waste energy on an aircraft that is already under control. I hesitated to even put it in.
What's the track used for the ending fight? It's not listed in the description.
Nice video
I'd love to see Japanese Corsairs face off against American Zeros, just like how it happened in real life
I hate that in arcade you can't pull proper maneuvers like that, but I can't seem to convince the guys I play with to join me in realistic. And frankly I'm not interested in playing realistic by myself...
7:00 If I had a nickle for every time a teamate screwed up my fight and forced the enemy to run and escape, I could afford the Russian D-9
Hey Magz, any KSP videos?
MagZ, how do you know how far to push the zero? Through experience? I would've never dared to pull those turns towards the end at those speeds if I had been in your shoes at that time, so I was curious as to how you determine how much to push the zero.
He did a amazing dogfight, but when his opponent dived he might as well have left him go after the warning burst cuz i my experiance a zero thats that low isint a threat. And when magz killed him the was basicly rock bottem and couldent really participate in the "match deciding fight" at alt.
I'm using the premium A6m2 to research my P-61
Hey Magz, i was wondering if you could give the meteor mk3 a shot with the updated BR of 8.0 and maybe give some tips on how to counter enemies such as sabres
I can. Step one; bend over. Step two; prepare your butt cheeks because there is no stopping a Sabre or Mig-15/17.
+Sir Penguin Head on everything, 8.0 jets BR is broken
I normally fly my Ki-44-II Otsu or my Fw190A-5. Why? They're fun and they're spaded.
Ah this makes me miss a good defensive barrel roll. I used to get myself in trouble deliberately so I could outfly the enemy and feel like a boss. Is War Thunder worth going back to right now?
P-61 video in the works?
I would imagine that a fair number of the large amount of Japanese F4U players would be due to the plane being in this cycle of War Bond premiums.
The problem with the a6m2 is with any kind of uptier, even just to 3.7, planes like the p47d, p63a5, and hellcat can club it if they know what they are doing, the j2m on the other hand remains competitive.
+Ervin B I've had the A6M2 out to BR 6.0 with success. Actually that sounds like a great idea for a future video, May have to demonstrate that.
+MagzTV
Sounds exciting
+MagzTV I'm not saying you can't have success against, war thunder is full of shitty pilots, but against any half way decent pilot...
These fights are the best because they rely on the pure skill of the pilot, not the planes specs
Alright, I gotta ask, what is your crew's G-tolerance and stamina? Cause I would've had about a quarter of maneuver time as you through that fight, and it is possible I would've blacked out just pulling the aircraft out of the dive.
Magz, what about the M3 and M5s BRs? Having spaded the M3s recently and trying to spade the M5s, I'd say that the Zeros past the M2 variants are over tired like crazy and suffer as a result (A6M5s fight Griffons and Bearcats.... Seriously, 5.0/5.3 for an M5?).
I ask you to consider the later Zeros and maybe give them a go whilst comparing/analyzing their BR, because I sure as hell am convinced that, unless you face absolute donkeys in them, they're just useless.
+RedDerRot Ive had the later zeros on channel as well, I have no issue with the M3's or the M5's at all. The A6M5 premium is still my favorite grinder for Japan. They do require a higher skill cap to use but flown correctly you can make pretty much any allied aircraft in the game spew cannon rounds into empty air trying to hit you while taking your time to line up a nice kill shot.
+MagzTV
Yet the A7Ms, planes designed to take the Zeros role, sit at BR 4.0 and are considerably better.
"Higher skill cap" in this sense to me basically means "Gaijin screwed us, so we have to git gud and deal with it". Basically, plane scenarios like the FR47 and Meteor Mk.3. It's dumb, especially since the same planes the M2s face can still easily kill the M3s/M5s the same way they kill M2s. There's only about a 50-60kph max speed difference between the M2s and M5s after all, and they all handle about the same.
+RedDerRot And that's the problem, Your thinking in terms of speed. Zeros don't fight with speed, In fact if they are at max speed they are often less maneuverable than the planes they are fighting. You don't chase people down in a zero, You sit somewhere in plain sight and wait for the enemy to come to you, After all they cant shoot you down from the other side of the map so they will come.
In general a fight in my A6M5 vs say a Bearcat or a Gryphon spit involves me cruising around at 10kish waiting for them to arrive, Then dodging the first boom, Then the second and then the 3rd, Doing very much what you see in this video, letting the enemy slowly bleed of all its speed and get frustrated at there own ineffectiveness. Once they are slow enough I turn in on them lining up for a shot on one of there zooms away from me, If I aim well I usually land a critical strike on them if not kill the pilot. If there still alive and they begin to engage me in close quarters I kill them, If they run it's usually to there own runway so I follow and kill them as there slowing down to land.
I can usually maintain this kind of fight with up to three aircraft at once however beyond that there are often just too many shells in the air to avoid. And if you are in a 4vs1 fight then it's highly likely you are the last man standing on your team in the first place.
In the end the zero is not about rushing to a target at high BR's its about patience, You are less of an active hunter and more of a trapper.
True. It's just frustrating to fly for me I guess. Usually when I try to dodge a boom/zoom, it usually ends up in me dying. Not sure what I'm doing wrong there but I guess it's something to practice.
+MagzTV Well I agree. But if the enemy also has patience and just BnZ all day long without losing initial energy, you can't do anything. After the dodging the attack you basically bleed too much speed to be able to catch the target when it's zooming away (as if Zero can has lot of speed anyway). Also there's G-lock now. But if the enemy is stupid, it's a real fun plane to fly. Once shot down a VK107, felt sooooo gooooood..... But I think the Ki-43 III is actually better or just very slightly worse than A6M5.
And again Magz, I do almost hear no difference in your voice, seriously!
you're not gonna believe me on this, will you? :D
EDIT: alright, you can hear it better then yesterday's video
Magz, a little question, unrelated to this video, but I look for an opinion of a skilled pilot. Headon engagements. I do try to avoid them at all cost, but there are situations when you just don't have enough time to turn copletely away from it before the shots are fired. How do you deal with such situations? I tend to go in with guns blazing untill something like 900meters to enemy, then try to duck out of their line of fire. It works to some degree but I oftenly find myself being killed with just a single lucky hit. How would you advise to deal with such situation?
+Timur Pirkhal I may not be Magz, but I hope to offer some advice if I may. Aim a little above the target, depending on which guns you are using, and open fire at 1.5km. At 1.2km, roll off hard and either dive or bank away. If an enemy fires at 1.5km and you keep firing until .9km, he is likely already turned away and no longer threatened by your fire, while you have a bunch of lead he fired a second ago coming straight for your pilot. It's all about timing.
Do yourself a favor and take a day get better rest we all support you all of us
Damn, 13Gs on a zero, how the heck?!!
Japanese bias!!
I swear it would rip near 9Gs last time I played, which was like a year ago though.
+Platinum Gamer
The maximum G-Load for the A6M Zero was modified in 1.57, now it's closer to it's historical limits.
sick kill
SO COOL, i got a long way to go
The reason the Japanese f4u is being spammed Is there was an event where you could get it for free
oh stealth magz account? :D
That whole dogfight could have ended in a minute, if u just popped landing flaps
+Vin-G Not quite, Popping landing flaps would have allowed a tighter turn but would have cost me the speed I was using to stay ahead of the Mod 11's guns making it much easier for it to get a kill shot on me. The only reason to do that would have been to force a head on with the mod 11 which would have been a foolish and needless risk in this fight.
thank you for not flying aircraft i can not afford
Do a Yak-9T tutorial in arcade pls :)
i really love the zero but nothing is worse than chasing 2 p47s with 5 zeros, so i understand why people are taking the j2m2 or taking the f4u
13Gs? holy cow!
That was a sexy dance