War Thunder: Zero Effort | Air RB Gameplay

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  • Опубликовано: 8 янв 2025

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  • @MagzGTV
    @MagzGTV  5 лет назад +39

    G'day everyone! Today we are taking out my favorite little Japanese fighter, the A6M2 Mod 11.
    She has crap MG's, Bugger all cannon ammo but she maneuvers like a trolling beast. . . God I love this thing!
    I hope you enjoy!
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    • @uprNrdyamr
      @uprNrdyamr 5 лет назад

      MagzTV Magz if you didn’t know you no longer get assist unless you get a crit.

    • @user-ug7fk2js2x
      @user-ug7fk2js2x 5 лет назад +2

      Little tip for dealing with the small amount of cannon ammo, set convergence really low like 250m or below and get in close. In this video you where well within 400m for your killing blows so it shouldn't be hard for you.

    • @MagzGTV
      @MagzGTV  5 лет назад

      @@user-ug7fk2js2x . . . . I have been kicking arse in the A6M2 Mod 11 since the day Gaijin added it to the game, The last thing I need is advice on how to use it.

    • @user-ug7fk2js2x
      @user-ug7fk2js2x 5 лет назад +3

      @@MagzGTV Eh man, you're great at flying and I enjoy watching you kick ass. Just trying to help, no need to be cheeky.

    • @MagzGTV
      @MagzGTV  5 лет назад

      @@user-ug7fk2js2x lol mate, I'm always cheeky! All Aussies are shitlords, even the ones that you think aren't. :P

  • @thomasgray4188
    @thomasgray4188 5 лет назад +56

    "He knows he's about to find himself in the middle of the world's most unfortunate three way"
    - Magz 2019

  • @btssilence
    @btssilence 5 лет назад +114

    *F4U crosses over at high speed*
    "I'll never catch this F4U"
    *F4U turns hard, throws away speed*
    Ah, US RB air players. Nice to see nothing's changed while I've been away from the game.

    • @randomguy4616
      @randomguy4616 5 лет назад +5

      Yea, some day ago i'm on a B-25 and i'm the only player in my team who get a kill so....

    • @Memnon-ro4cl
      @Memnon-ro4cl 5 лет назад +3

      That has nothing to do with the nation they play but that the majority of the player base are brain dead. Like in every other casual game out there

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 5 лет назад +5

      @@Memnon-ro4cl Nah dude it more comes down to the fact that US planes are unforgiving to new players, but everyone starts with US because most people playing will be from America and most people will know planes like the P51, P47, B17 etc. and want to fly those first.
      So I think the problem is most noobs play US over something easier like Russia or England.

    • @marseldagistani1989
      @marseldagistani1989 5 лет назад

      @@connorbranscombe6819 well my first nation planes I played was germany

    • @mattb9910
      @mattb9910 5 лет назад +2

      It’s true, sometimes I go to the US server if it’s late and 20 players were queuing as Americans whilst 20 were the other nations combined

  • @colonelmustang4919
    @colonelmustang4919 5 лет назад +85

    I like the title of the vid !! "Zero Effort". Nice pun intended

  • @TraditionalGoggles
    @TraditionalGoggles 5 лет назад +37

    Magz+War Thunder is always a great combination! Cheers!

  • @smolryan9886
    @smolryan9886 4 года назад +1

    Any fighter regards the zero as the paper airplane equivalent of the fighters. But although experienced players say don’t be scared of a zero on your sights, they mean the moment you don’t see the zero THAT is the time you should be praying for your life.

  • @Lusitani74
    @Lusitani74 5 лет назад +41

    It's as if someone put italian mg's in your zero... lol

  • @natecaraway2000
    @natecaraway2000 5 лет назад +3

    My favorite thing to do with the zero is get myself low and slow to bait people into a low and slow dogfight where they are basically helpless against a zero.

  • @Malakite1708
    @Malakite1708 5 лет назад +3

    2:34 that p40 made the mistake of trying to out-turn a zero

  • @kalinmir
    @kalinmir 5 лет назад +8

    AAA in warthunder only hits all the important things in your plane at once

  • @mavrik104
    @mavrik104 5 лет назад +9

    At least your internet allows you to play on occasion.... My internet developed issues so I haven't been able to connect to any game servers since Regia Aeronaughtica was fully released. I miss my Stuka and G55.S.

    • @MagzGTV
      @MagzGTV  5 лет назад +3

      I don't think you understand. . when I say down I mean down. As in zero net connection for 10 to 18 hours at a time. Everything you have seen is me slipping in a match or a flight in those small windows, usually at some god forsaken hour in the morning that it's up or cramming a video up the connection in that same time.

  • @Carstuff111
    @Carstuff111 5 лет назад +6

    You had me at "Zero Effort". I know it may seem unAmerican, but, I love the Zero.

  • @supaoranges1086
    @supaoranges1086 3 года назад

    “How many rounds is this bastard gonna take” and “Why is he flying so slow” are phrases I say daily flying the zero 😂

  • @FlensostensVrede
    @FlensostensVrede 5 лет назад

    Nice to have you back! I will now watch everything War Thunder related that I've missed to past year.

  • @mr_mustache3794
    @mr_mustache3794 5 лет назад +1

    Zero's are quite amazing planes. Weird that not a lot of people play them. They can outturn even spits. Great video btw.

    • @diegopena7744
      @diegopena7744 5 лет назад

      roll rate sucks, catches fire easily (well kinda reduntant speaking of the japanese), slow as fuck, weaponry suck

  • @MrFleem
    @MrFleem 5 лет назад +6

    That reminds me. I should really get around to binding my cannon to a separate trigger.

    • @linusa2996
      @linusa2996 5 лет назад +1

      I put my cannon trigger on my thottle.
      As I recall in the Zero, the machine guns were fired using a button on the throttle and the cannon by what looks like a motorcycle brake lever also on the throttle. A side effect of my copying this was that I could now keep the gun sight stable when I fired because my trigger finger was no longer moving the joystick when I squeezed the trigger

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 5 лет назад

      I've had it for a long time. It doesn't just split cannons/MG's, it sometimes splits cannons from cannons and MG's from MG's, based on their calibers or location (depends on the plane). Cannon LMB, MG RMB, zoom side button.
      EDIT: Don't forget to bind your auxilliary armament (gun pods) to either of them, or you won't be able to use them at all.

    • @jamesoloughlin8268
      @jamesoloughlin8268 5 лет назад

      I like to but I'm on console and pretty much every button is bonded to multiple things

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 5 лет назад

      @@jamesoloughlin8268 I guess everything is a trade-off. Using the proportional console controls must be cooler, albeit more difficult.

    • @jamesoloughlin8268
      @jamesoloughlin8268 5 лет назад

      @@vaclav_fejt it's a bit difficult because I have to change the controls depending on the vehicle I play, if it's a bomber its r1 to drop the bombs and r2 to shoot, if it's a fighter is r1 for cannons r2 to shoot the smaller calibre and if it has bombs and cannons+mgs its r1 for bombs r2 for both munitions

  • @grumpyaustralian6631
    @grumpyaustralian6631 5 лет назад +1

    Yaaasssss! Zeros are some of the most fun planes to fly in warthunder, I also love how they force the pilot not to take hits, trial by 🔥

  • @xmlthegreat
    @xmlthegreat 5 лет назад +1

    When you said that your internet has been very Australian, I imagined a Koala in a cowboy hat smoking a cigar walking upto your door and saying 'Sorry mate, bloody Kangaroos cut off your cable. It'll take a few days to get it in.'

  • @yigitturel2796
    @yigitturel2796 4 года назад +1

    nice&clean video thanx.. keep post about zero's pls

  • @adiarka4543
    @adiarka4543 5 лет назад +1

    Never underestimate those Glorious Nippon MGs! I set a Corsair on fire from 800m distance with those just yesterday

  • @shanefleming6288
    @shanefleming6288 5 лет назад

    Welcome back Magz! Keep them coming!!

  • @cragnamorra
    @cragnamorra 5 лет назад

    I really like how you left that guy alone long enough to drop his eggs for RP/SL before engaging for the almost-certain kill.

  • @BleedingUranium
    @BleedingUranium 5 лет назад

    I just unlocked the A6M2 mod.11 a couple weeks back, and I absolutely love it! It just clicked with me in the same way the F2A Buffalo did back when I started playing. :D

  • @Chaser617
    @Chaser617 5 лет назад

    Man, if the P-40s had been flown correctly there might have been trouble, but even though he was shot down that P-39 driver was a joy to watch, he knew his plane well looked like.

  • @blackbird2896
    @blackbird2896 5 лет назад +1

    I prefer the A6M3 because of the cut wings, has a wonderful roll rate and more cannon ammo

  • @VikingTeddy
    @VikingTeddy 5 лет назад +9

    It's not that Magz doesn't make new content, it just takes a week for an oz to upload one video.

  • @muffintheman155
    @muffintheman155 5 лет назад +4

    Since the introduction of buyable BR 9.0 you should make a video about how to play at that BR, because man do some people need it!

    • @maxsuarezmuller7186
      @maxsuarezmuller7186 5 лет назад

      MuffinTheMan plz dont tell me you bought a 9.0 jet..

    • @muffintheman155
      @muffintheman155 5 лет назад

      Max Súarez Müller I bought the Vautour for France, cause I didn’t have a 9.0 yet. I made it there on my own for Americans.

    • @maxsuarezmuller7186
      @maxsuarezmuller7186 5 лет назад

      @@muffintheman155 I suggest you watch Greenfury and WhooptieDo on youtube, they make very good tutorials.

  • @101jir
    @101jir 3 года назад

    A6M3 is actually probably my favorite, though each are fun and solid.
    Rafe is looses a lot of performance from floats
    A6M mod 11 (and I think A6M2) have limited cannon rounds, which is the bread and butter of getting kills in this plane
    A6M5 has a much needed upgrade to power, but this has a slight, predictable cost to turn radius. It needs the power more of course, due to the tier it is fighting. Still sad to see the cost.
    A6M3 has the cannon rounds and not only doesn't sacrifice manueverability, but actually improves on it.

  • @z3r0_35
    @z3r0_35 5 лет назад

    The way I see it with that A-35, he didn't actually make a mistake switching to the rear gun. With the way that thing flies and bleeds energy in turns (I've seen Hs 129s out-turn that thing), there was no way in hell he was going to evade you for long. His real mistake was failing to shoot you down in the head-on, which was the one opportunity he had to save himself, and even that would've most likely only delayed his death rather than preventing it outright.

  • @FiestaKing36
    @FiestaKing36 5 лет назад

    awesome video m8!

  • @Plato76...
    @Plato76... 5 лет назад

    More air RB please Magz. Your vids are superb.

  • @StoneCresent
    @StoneCresent 5 лет назад +5

    That hole in your fuselage mid-battle, I could see clean through the plane from any angle. Gaijin, fix your rendering algorithm.

  • @mastathrash5609
    @mastathrash5609 5 лет назад +2

    I dont think your internet is alone. War thunder's performance has been taking a solid steamer... even on a decent comp with a good connection. Least for about a month for me anyway... anything but ones own server is brutal performance wise. And even on the local server it's still been crap.

  • @noahm6317
    @noahm6317 5 лет назад

    Keep em coming Magz

  • @thegregitto
    @thegregitto 4 года назад

    There's a reason us Germans put a bunch of canons with a bunch of ammo on our planes. Did you see how many rounds the 7.7's took on that P-40??

  • @ButterGamesRoblox
    @ButterGamesRoblox 4 года назад

    I main Zeros and watching his other videos, I think of how my flight is way different and I probably have to change it to get better then I see this and it's literally exactly like my flying

  • @fireraid2336
    @fireraid2336 5 лет назад +1

    My fav Zero is the A6M3 with clip wings.

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 5 лет назад

      The model 32. In Martin Caidin's book "Zero" he says the Japanese clipped the wings in order to gain more speed, got a little bit with a better roll and dive, but worse turn, climb, and range, so they got back to the unclipped (but redesigned) wing with the model 22. Yes, the Japanese count 11, 21, 32, 22, 52. Just like the Germans say the alphabet D, A, G, F... (or H1, E).

  • @Lightning_aus
    @Lightning_aus 5 лет назад +1

    0:35 Dont worry bro im from Perth I know how you feel...

  • @MattVibes
    @MattVibes 4 года назад

    Do you use a mouse or a joystick? :) Great video btw!

  • @Parabueto
    @Parabueto 5 лет назад

    Well, DCS has another sale on... I'm really tempted to grab the F-5 for some third generation goodness.

  • @callumsmodellingcentre6902
    @callumsmodellingcentre6902 5 лет назад

    Great kid, don't get cocky.

  • @matthewrikihana6818
    @matthewrikihana6818 5 лет назад

    P40 scored an adamant award

  • @KB4th
    @KB4th 5 лет назад +1

    Talk about Aussie Internet mate, my ISP has without notification reduced my download speed by half and offered an NBN plan with the original speed at double the monthly cost.....

    • @JamesPolymer
      @JamesPolymer 5 лет назад

      Offer to let a honey badger loose in their office if they don't cut the bullshit.

  • @Picolinni
    @Picolinni 5 лет назад +3

    Ahhhh, I love Australian internet. Primarily because I've seen slums with better internet...

  • @stevegoesrogue
    @stevegoesrogue 5 лет назад

    >.< I'm flying my Mod 11 right now and I keep getting unintentionally team killed, once because an I-16 I was chasing was heading on a friendly Do 217 and his bullets went clean into my elevators, blowing them right off, and the other was simple pilot error on my part, crossing friendly streams and getting set on fire. Just some of the hazards you take on when flying a Zero

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 4 года назад

      I just finally got my A6M2/A6M5 "Zero Hour" squad lined up and I got molly whopped in Arcade bruh. Like damn. I can't pick off pilots because half of them have tail gunners that pilot snipe and the rest just stay in a swarm of friendlies that'll tear my light and nimble zero to shreds. It sucks man; not the plane, but my skill/experience. I'm out here performing like (poorly trained) Zero pilots in 1945. Wish I could kamikaze and get points...

  • @tobysnow2927
    @tobysnow2927 5 лет назад

    @MagzTV could you review the t6 jets? Like the MiG 19, T2, f100, etc?

  • @Higgs666
    @Higgs666 Год назад

    This is my experience with the zero. Tons of hits and assists but not many kills.

  • @MilitaristTurkcu
    @MilitaristTurkcu 4 года назад

    3:32 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @techtical7079
    @techtical7079 5 лет назад +2

    but i cannot understand measurement of a "foot"

  • @m1sz3lpl24
    @m1sz3lpl24 5 лет назад +7

    At most BRs JPN air RB is zero effort, the winrates are ridiculous, kills are easy and its just happy sealclubbing. I always go there when I wanna feel like a great pilot :P

    • @YTaccNo3
      @YTaccNo3 5 лет назад +6

      except when you fly against any pilot that's not brain dead and doesn't try to turn with you, you just can't catch them, ever.
      source: i fly jpn

    • @weiwu1442
      @weiwu1442 5 лет назад +1

      any US player that knows what they're doing in a P51 can roflstomp but most US players are braindead

    • @johnsanvictores6639
      @johnsanvictores6639 5 лет назад +1

      I got a 7 kill game once against zeroes. They really can't do anything if you keep your speed up

    • @chrism3189
      @chrism3189 5 лет назад

      Someone doesnt know how to boom and zoom

  • @clon1122
    @clon1122 5 лет назад

    The mod 11 great...... The most agile thing at that br.

  • @proud_emmerian6510
    @proud_emmerian6510 5 лет назад

    Seeing that I-180S go down in flames is satisfying. I hate those things.

  • @Carstuff111
    @Carstuff111 5 лет назад +1

    Have not watched the video yet, but its a Zero RB battle..... I am so totally down, and already gave it a thumbs up :)

  • @threelionstalk5550
    @threelionstalk5550 5 лет назад +1

    g day magz you should play the J1N1 again it is soo fun

  • @voldenrudvek9661
    @voldenrudvek9661 3 года назад

    zero and spitfire. The biggest "no skill required" planes in war thunder, constantly f*cking good pilots in the A*s with their arcade mode style physics and handling.

  • @TheHangarHobbit
    @TheHangarHobbit 5 лет назад

    Good luck getting a 180s without having to use the market, in fact I've talked to several who busted their ass for the entire event and can't even get one vehicle built because they simply cannot get the rare part they need to complete their first 180s.
    I lucked out the 2 180s I built only required cheap parts but I still had to drop a 10 spot on the market just to complete the damn things and I'm the type that was usually able to complete the event tasks in like 3 hours on the first day but the RNG on this one is total bullshit, hell TEC even made a "I give up" vid after he got screwed by the RNG.

  • @WigglyWings
    @WigglyWings 5 лет назад

    I am more afraid of friendlies than the enemy. Just WT AirRB things.

  • @cptoscar
    @cptoscar 5 лет назад

    I have only played for a month and only one week in rb . The first attack you did , what happens if you miss the first guy ? Both would attack you? This happens to me all the fucking time .

  • @robertbourlet4841
    @robertbourlet4841 5 лет назад

    Particularly Australian xD hahaha love it I know the feels !

  • @CluelessGuyAXI
    @CluelessGuyAXI 5 лет назад

    How to counter a B&Z when using a zero: just do what you normally do

  • @amm0gamm0
    @amm0gamm0 5 лет назад

    I realise you're damn trigger happy with that cannon...

  • @TheMinman808
    @TheMinman808 5 лет назад

    Hahaha I don’t blame you magz about the Australian nbn it’s worthless and is that fast

  • @fynpedersen5627
    @fynpedersen5627 4 года назад

    i cant seem to use this plane effectively, especially for realistic battles

  • @판사님저는오늘만삽니
    @판사님저는오늘만삽니 2 года назад

    repect jameoss. he could do main camping trolling. he came out and fight like pilot

  • @ogscarl3t375
    @ogscarl3t375 5 лет назад

    I highly recommend the Japanese premium Bf 109 E7 set it's guns to 300 meter convergence and let the clubbing and slaughter of allied teams begin...

  • @JamLeGull
    @JamLeGull 5 лет назад

    I feel socially irresponsible playing multiplayer in Australia because of how bad the internet is here. I wish we had some kind of national broadband network. I remember the Labor government a few years back pitching something like that, not sure why that didn’t happen.

  • @optickol
    @optickol 5 лет назад

    Why you are using metric and imperial metric system at the same time? I can't understand that

  • @PointlessGunSyncs
    @PointlessGunSyncs 5 лет назад

    The title defines every action I made irl

  • @fireraid2336
    @fireraid2336 5 лет назад +1

    Tbh can Zeros even rip? I have taken this to around 700 km/h then pulling hard without riping before.

    • @TheAngelobarker
      @TheAngelobarker 5 лет назад

      They usually rip quite easily due to wing lift/wingloading i think.

    • @Thekilleroftanks
      @Thekilleroftanks 5 лет назад +1

      oh no it could, most likely like everyone else they fucked up the flight model.
      i remember years ago just lightly looking at any zero broke their wings, god were those time shit for japanese pilots seeing they physically couldnt field any fighters.

    • @fireraid2336
      @fireraid2336 5 лет назад

      @@TheAngelobarker hmm interesting i never in my 4 years of WT ripped a Zero.

    • @dogeness
      @dogeness 5 лет назад

      Angelo Barker
      Higher wingloading planes don’t necessarily have higher structural dive limits. In fact, all things being equal, higher wingloading means a lower G limit in maneuvers because, obviously, the wing is more loaded. But, heavier planes tend to also be more structurally sound, which is where the correlation between wingloading and dive limit is. So it’s a cause and effect thing. You can have a plane that’s really structurally sound with low wingloading (ex. G-55)

    • @dogeness
      @dogeness 5 лет назад

      Fireraid233
      A6M2 IAS limit (redline): 630kph
      A6M3 mod32 IAS limit (redline): 670kph
      A6M5 IAS limit (redline): 740kph
      I’d be willing to bet you were flying the A6M5, not the A6M2.
      Sources:
      1. forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/293772-mitsubishi-a6m2-mod-11/&ct=1555621324
      2. forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/295060-mitsubishi-a6m3-mod-32/&ct=1555621534
      3. forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/295065-mitsubishi-a6m5/&ct=1555621489

  • @wolfitom
    @wolfitom 4 года назад +1

    Still Best fighter in War Thunder

  • @Gently_Used_Hotdog
    @Gently_Used_Hotdog 5 лет назад

    Why didn't you bring out the A6M3? It has more cannon rounds than the A6M2

    • @MagzGTV
      @MagzGTV  5 лет назад

      Because I prefer the Mod.11

  • @sincereeastman6972
    @sincereeastman6972 5 лет назад

    Literally forgot how to play the Zero *then I turn fight*

  • @indoroyale7848
    @indoroyale7848 4 года назад

    Bro can I take some gameplay segments

  • @WigglyWings
    @WigglyWings 5 лет назад

    Captured vehicles is The shittiest thing they could have done to War Thunder and they did. 109 v 109, F4U vs P51s, you get the feel. I mean keep this in your Arcade games I mind just keep them off from RB.

    • @WigglyWings
      @WigglyWings 5 лет назад

      What's the point of playing P39 is enemy team have F4Us?

  • @drinks1019
    @drinks1019 5 лет назад

    Mate you can’t have scratch marks on a Zero, it’s made of canvas and wood.

  • @onetaker7878
    @onetaker7878 5 лет назад

    Lead a lot more😉

  • @gfcwfzkm
    @gfcwfzkm 5 лет назад

    Wow, that aim

  • @pipss2669
    @pipss2669 5 лет назад

    Do a F4F-3 video plz ;_;

  • @andrewmandrona7891
    @andrewmandrona7891 5 лет назад

    Didn't the real Zero start compressing at relatively low speeds? You looked fine at 500km/h

    • @letome1676
      @letome1676 5 лет назад +1

      it does ingame. elevators are heavy but still works but alerons and rudders barely work

  • @crist-ot8oo
    @crist-ot8oo 4 года назад

    Jeasus I'm so blind I cant even see the Crosshairs

  • @Cpt_Kenneth
    @Cpt_Kenneth 5 лет назад

    Lag these days are so extreme that I can't even play. The strangest thing is that SA server creates more PL than US server, even though I live in Asia. Gaijin definately need to fix that shitty server.

  • @samuellatta6774
    @samuellatta6774 4 года назад

    Why is he flying so slow? Answer: engine. You killed his engine cause when the water leak stops, its empty and the engine cooks itself

  • @jorjorwell1984
    @jorjorwell1984 5 лет назад

    More war thunder :D

  • @zachmarlow2117
    @zachmarlow2117 5 лет назад

    We want more war thunder content!!!

  • @kolikoasdpvp
    @kolikoasdpvp 5 лет назад

    Bruh wtf you use feet for altitude but km/h for speed and C for temperature why FEET

    • @MagzGTV
      @MagzGTV  5 лет назад +2

      I used to do it because Feet is the correct measurement for altitude in aviation pretty much globally. It's the aviation industry standard pretty much everywhere outside of Russia regardless of what measurement system the country normally uses.
      These day's I do it to trigger people on the internet because it's funny :)

    • @kolikoasdpvp
      @kolikoasdpvp 5 лет назад

      @@MagzGTV lol xD

  • @thech33f39
    @thech33f39 5 лет назад

    6666 views. O.O

  • @berzankarakus1361
    @berzankarakus1361 3 года назад +1

    Tiktoktan gelenler=

  • @drakevandiver340
    @drakevandiver340 5 лет назад

    You stole the “G’day ladies and gents” from spirit flyer

  • @GumMonster1
    @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

    IL-2M > A6M2

    • @GumMonster1
      @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

      I dream as hard as I play: *TheGumMonster my service record proves it.

    • @GumMonster1
      @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

      Not Stat Card: My Stats in the IL-2M

    • @GumMonster1
      @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

      Over 700 air kills out of less than 500 battles played in a plane that was designed to destroy tanks that just so happens to be the same battle rating as the A6M2.

    • @GumMonster1
      @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

      I fucking destroy these things regularly.

    • @GumMonster1
      @GumMonster1 5 лет назад

      well you'll just run like a bitch once you figure out you can and it won't be fun for you either way so no
      not to mention my crew is aced for the IL-2M "Avenger" so it would be an unfair advantage.