Also known as the Eugene-Bend knot, I believe. I got it out of a Fly Fisherman article. You are truly committed to the art to suffer the countless hook piercings required to build up that callus! I usually use my hemostats or my index finger to do the wraps and pull the tag end through the loop. Your method does use much less tippet though, I'll give it a try, sans finger stab though.
I'm gonna be crazy here and not lead with what my favorite knot is or how long I've been already using this knot lol. I'm gonna just say this looks super cool; I learned something valuable as usual, and I appreciate this vid a ton
I learned the Pitzen knot just a few years ago after 20 plus years of using clinch and Davy knots. It's hands down my favorite knot now. So strong and is nice and small when fishing big foam pattens. I still use the Davy to tie on small droppers but the Pitzen (16/20) is unbeatable!
Devin, you got some badass finger...thanks for the video and learned! Just ordered three different PIERRE SEMPE SIGHTER materials on the TFF shop. Good stuff!
I have been using a Jack's Knot because I HATE clinch knots since I have lost numerous fish do to the knot slipping. I saw this knot two days ago somewhere and here you have just made a video on the very knot I saw, Jack's Knot is a better uni-knot for adding to the main line after a dropper is too short. It is so fast and holds its loop easier then a clinch or uni-knot. .
Thanks Devin, excellent as always! I tend to tie the 16/20 with my haemostats, very quick and easy but the downside is it's not as simple to get a really short tag, and it's difficult to do on a short dropper. Works great for the point fly though. I also use the 16/20 to tie to tippet rings, and even euro leader to micro loop on the end of the fly line. Great knot, it hasn't failed me yet. :)
Functionally the same knot as the "Quick Penny" - the Penny is tied using a loop which makes it easy to do with foreceps should you want to. ruclips.net/video/ghW84dcnhJk/видео.html
@@garyglen-young7480 Thanks Gary, I just had a look. Yes it does look the same, the only minor difference I guess is that I do 3 or 4 turns around the main line instead of 2. Great knot! :)
Tried this today adding on new tippet to my leader from a tippet ring. I still like the Davey for small flies but this one seems good and I’ll use it more
At around 3:18, as soon as you put the tag end through the loop, you pull on the hook. I didn't notice this important move the first 80 times I watched this lol. I've been having problems threading the tag end through the loop and keeping it through, plus struggling to keep the tag end short. This fixes those; I was supposed to be paying attention lol. Thanks again for this vid; I LOVE this knot
Yep, that's actually the main reason I put the hook in the tip of my finger. I can pull back on the hook with my finger and that ends up closing the loop over the tag end. I apologize if I didn't make that very clear in the video but I'm glad you noticed it.
I have used this knot extensively for my tipped to fly connection. I also came across an article somewhere and started using it because of the knot strength, and haven’t looked back.
I've used this knot for dry fly fishing because it is small, strong, and quick to tie. You can use your finger nails to slide the knot so you have a small loop that is useful for wet flies and streamers. Is this also called the Pitzen Knot? I've used it for 40 over years.
these type of sliding knots are useful ,... after you set the knot you can slide it back open to create a small loop (adjustable) that allows free movement for the fly. It will cinch down on hook sets...or tree sets lol. Easier too tie than most fixed loop knots.
I always seem to run into fluoro clinch knot slippage (and wastage) definitely going to give this a go. Any chance we can order the callus from TFF? You could hang a cinder block from a hook on that thing. 🤣
Devin. Thanks for the info on this knot. It has become my go to knot, and it is super strong. I also use the knot to tie to my tippet ring. Since using the 16/20 knot, when my fly gets stuck and I know I must break it off, the tippet breaks at the tippet ring. It's like the knot doesn't slip, but the break is always there. It's uncanny how often it breaks at the tippet ring. When I was using the clinch knot on the fly, it always broke at the fly connection. Do you use a different knot at the tippet ring? I wondered if it were the tippet ring itself- so thin that it cuts the tippet like a knife. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Devin, I tried this combo, but I found that for me the knot consistently breaks at the double Davy knot. Would be interested in seeing a video on best knots for tippet rings, as for many of us the number one waster of tippet material is a rig breaking at the tippet ring. For me the hardest part with tippet ring knots is keeping the ring from spinning as I tie. I figure this is one of the reasons you use the double Davy. Anyways, thanks!
@@jaredmummert2813 that’s interesting. I rarely have the knot break at the ring. You could try this same knot at the ring as well if you’re careful about how you close it. You might also have a ring with a rough edge.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 good points, thanks Devin. I probably also need to keep practicing my double davy knot. Do you do the hackle pliers method for the double Davy (saw this on tightlinevideo’s page) or do you go by hand?
First, any thoughts with using 16/20 knot to connect two pieces of tippet. Similar to using a double uni knot. Very quick and easy with an forceps instrument tie. Second, easy tie to add a fly off the bend of upper fly, or thru the eye of upper fly.
I haven’t tried it to connect tippet together. I don’t think it would work though because the knot has to invert over itself to seat properly. If you were closing two pieces of tippet on each other the friction would be higher during that step than when it closes around a hook eye. If you are tying dropper flies onto the eye or bend you can use the 16/20 for that too.
Excellent - thanks Devin! May I ask what knot you'd recommend to connect 7x (or smaller) tippet to a micro loop in micro leader (Sempe) material? I'd prefer not to use a tippet ring... Would the 16/20 knot be appropriate at this connection? Thanks, in advance. Wallace
Wallace, Micro loops tend to be a pretty weak connection in my experience because eventually the loop itself will get cut when working in small material. If you're going to forego the tippet ring, I use a stopper knot. I make a double overhand knot at the end of the micro leader. I then thread the tippet through the overhand knot facing toward the rod. Close the overhand knot but don't make it super snug. Then tie a double Davy knot using the tippet and the micro leader as the other side of the double Davy knot. Alternatively, you could tie a clinch knot with the tippet around the micro leader but make it with 7-8 turns of the tippet.
Devin, thanks for the video. I have always heard that the 16/20 was a good knot, my only question is that it seems to require quite a bit of tippet, are you able to use it to tie a fly on a dropper tag ? Thanks much
Thanks for sharing; I'll practice this and try it out next time I'm on the water. Are there any variations that need to be considered, depending on the diameter of tippet or size of hook? For example, do you use three turns regardless, or are there some combinations that don't work well with this knot? Also, is lubricating the line to cinch it down unnecessary with this knot (some say the Davy knot does not need to be lubricated)?
The loop in your left hand is easy to see with the yellow line, but I'm having a devil of a time seeing it between my left-hand fingers with tippet. It's hard to find that loop for threading the tag end through.
@Tactical Fly Fisher , curious if Eugene and Pitzen/16-20 are the same? I see one subtle difference in loop shape diagrams, that occurs when you wrap loop (Eugene) vs wrapping the tag end (Pitzen/16-20) end. Wondering if this difference is negligible.
I know Dom over at troutbitten is a big believer in the Davy knot for tippet to fly knots. Any thoughts on this knot versus the 16/20? I have been using the Davy and it seems to work well so trying to determine if I should switch knots or not
I like the simplicity of the Davey knot but I have had it slip several times with fluoro... I will be giving this 16/20 a try next time I hit the water, it looks a tad easier to tie than my old stand-by improved clinch.
@@rjf1877 That is strange as I basically only fish Rio 6x fluoro with the Davy on the Colorado tailwaters with zero knot issues on fish of all sizes including 20+ inch. Maybe I am tying them different.
If you don't want to stab yourself every time you tie this knot palm any tool with a metal loop or keyring. I flip my hemostats around and secure the hook on the finger loop and then when finishing the knot just pull back on the tool to "seat" the knot.
This seems quite a good knot but I would not dare put the hook in my finger because my hooks are quite sharp and it would probably hurt me badly. I think I will use a cork to try this knot. Thank you for this tip
The issue is when you use light tippet for the fly. The clinch knot will fail if you use a light tippet to the hook. I have used 7x tippet on size 14 nymphs and clinches fail so easily. I learned the palmer knot for spin fishing just for this reason. Too much material waste for the knot.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Hi thanks for taking the trouble to reply to me. I’ve had time to think about the 2 knots and realise that although they seem similar they are tied differently 👍
What 4 knuckleheads didn’t like this video? it’s awesome!!!
Thanks for the early morning chuckle Jay! Much appreciated and I'm certainly glad you liked it!
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You are certainly welcome Devin! As my daddy used to say, “humor is the spice of life!”
I didn't like the hook point in the flesh! I could see that losing a few needle phobic people.
Also known as the Eugene-Bend knot, I believe. I got it out of a Fly Fisherman article. You are truly committed to the art to suffer the countless hook piercings required to build up that callus! I usually use my hemostats or my index finger to do the wraps and pull the tag end through the loop. Your method does use much less tippet though, I'll give it a try, sans finger stab though.
I'm gonna be crazy here and not lead with what my favorite knot is or how long I've been already using this knot lol. I'm gonna just say this looks super cool; I learned something valuable as usual, and I appreciate this vid a ton
Happy knot tying!
I learned the Pitzen knot just a few years ago after 20 plus years of using clinch and Davy knots.
It's hands down my favorite knot now. So strong and is nice and small when fishing big foam pattens.
I still use the Davy to tie on small droppers but the Pitzen (16/20) is unbeatable!
Nice video! I’ll update MCR I can get back out there and test it! Looks easy enough 🙂
Devin, you got some badass finger...thanks for the video and learned! Just ordered three different PIERRE SEMPE SIGHTER materials on the TFF shop. Good stuff!
I have been using a Jack's Knot because I HATE clinch knots since I have lost numerous fish do to the knot slipping. I saw this knot two days ago somewhere and here you have just made a video on the very knot I saw,
Jack's Knot is a better uni-knot for adding to the main line after a dropper is too short. It is so fast and holds its loop easier then a clinch or uni-knot.
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This has been my go to know since the mid 90's, I was taught it in a UofU fly tying class.
I learned the knot in the early 90s from the back of a Hook and Hackle catalog.
Will for sure be giving this a try and start using it. Thanks!
Thanks Devin, excellent as always! I tend to tie the 16/20 with my haemostats, very quick and easy but the downside is it's not as simple to get a really short tag, and it's difficult to do on a short dropper. Works great for the point fly though. I also use the 16/20 to tie to tippet rings, and even euro leader to micro loop on the end of the fly line. Great knot, it hasn't failed me yet. :)
Functionally the same knot as the "Quick Penny" - the Penny is tied using a loop which makes it easy to do with foreceps should you want to.
ruclips.net/video/ghW84dcnhJk/видео.html
@@garyglen-young7480 Thanks Gary, I just had a look. Yes it does look the same, the only minor difference I guess is that I do 3 or 4 turns around the main line instead of 2. Great knot! :)
Cool knot., thanks for the info! the hook point in your finger gave me the heebee geebees.
This appears to be very similar to the Jack Miller knot but I will have to be convinced it is better !! I will have to try it to compare!
Tried this today adding on new tippet to my leader from a tippet ring. I still like the Davey for small flies but this one seems good and I’ll use it more
Awesome, will give it a go
I know it it as the Pitzen knot. It is a great knot that I use all the time.
Yes. I mention it is a pitzen in the video as well.
At around 3:18, as soon as you put the tag end through the loop, you pull on the hook. I didn't notice this important move the first 80 times I watched this lol. I've been having problems threading the tag end through the loop and keeping it through, plus struggling to keep the tag end short. This fixes those; I was supposed to be paying attention lol. Thanks again for this vid; I LOVE this knot
Yep, that's actually the main reason I put the hook in the tip of my finger. I can pull back on the hook with my finger and that ends up closing the loop over the tag end. I apologize if I didn't make that very clear in the video but I'm glad you noticed it.
I have used this knot extensively for my tipped to fly connection. I also came across an article somewhere and started using it because of the knot strength, and haven’t looked back.
Good Knott. Not seen that one before. Thanks.
Give it a try and I'm sure you'll like it.
I've used this knot for dry fly fishing because it is small, strong, and quick to tie. You can use your finger nails to slide the knot so you have a small loop that is useful for wet flies and streamers. Is this also called the Pitzen Knot? I've used it for 40 over years.
these type of sliding knots are useful ,... after you set the knot you can slide it back open to create a small loop (adjustable) that allows free movement for the fly. It will cinch down on hook sets...or tree sets lol. Easier too tie than most fixed loop knots.
I use a knot very similar to this knot but i only make 2 turns and done. Havent lost any fish from knot failure.known here as the Flemings knot 🐟🎣
I always seem to run into fluoro clinch knot slippage (and wastage) definitely going to give this a go. Any chance we can order the callus from TFF? You could hang a cinder block from a hook on that thing. 🤣
Haha! That callous has been earned. It’s definitely not for sale. 😊
Devin. Thanks for the info on this knot. It has become my go to knot, and it is super strong. I also use the knot to tie to my tippet ring. Since using the 16/20 knot, when my fly gets stuck and I know I must break it off, the tippet breaks at the tippet ring. It's like the knot doesn't slip, but the break is always there. It's uncanny how often it breaks at the tippet ring. When I was using the clinch knot on the fly, it always broke at the fly connection. Do you use a different knot at the tippet ring? I wondered if it were the tippet ring itself- so thin that it cuts the tippet like a knife. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
Most often, I use a double Davy knot at the ring and the 16/20 on my fly.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thanks
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Devin, I tried this combo, but I found that for me the knot consistently breaks at the double Davy knot. Would be interested in seeing a video on best knots for tippet rings, as for many of us the number one waster of tippet material is a rig breaking at the tippet ring. For me the hardest part with tippet ring knots is keeping the ring from spinning as I tie. I figure this is one of the reasons you use the double Davy. Anyways, thanks!
@@jaredmummert2813 that’s interesting. I rarely have the knot break at the ring. You could try this same knot at the ring as well if you’re careful about how you close it. You might also have a ring with a rough edge.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 good points, thanks Devin. I probably also need to keep practicing my double davy knot. Do you do the hackle pliers method for the double Davy (saw this on tightlinevideo’s page) or do you go by hand?
First, any thoughts with using 16/20 knot to connect two pieces of tippet. Similar to using a double uni knot. Very quick and easy with an forceps instrument tie. Second, easy tie to add a fly off the bend of upper fly, or thru the eye of upper fly.
I haven’t tried it to connect tippet together. I don’t think it would work though because the knot has to invert over itself to seat properly. If you were closing two pieces of tippet on each other the friction would be higher during that step than when it closes around a hook eye. If you are tying dropper flies onto the eye or bend you can use the 16/20 for that too.
Excellent - thanks Devin! May I ask what knot you'd recommend to connect 7x (or smaller) tippet to a micro loop in micro leader (Sempe) material? I'd prefer not to use a tippet ring... Would the 16/20 knot be appropriate at this connection? Thanks, in advance. Wallace
Wallace, Micro loops tend to be a pretty weak connection in my experience because eventually the loop itself will get cut when working in small material. If you're going to forego the tippet ring, I use a stopper knot. I make a double overhand knot at the end of the micro leader. I then thread the tippet through the overhand knot facing toward the rod. Close the overhand knot but don't make it super snug. Then tie a double Davy knot using the tippet and the micro leader as the other side of the double Davy knot. Alternatively, you could tie a clinch knot with the tippet around the micro leader but make it with 7-8 turns of the tippet.
Got it. Thanks Devin - much appreciated 👊🏻
Would this work as well connecting tippet to the tippet ring? Thanks for making the video.
Now to go get me that callus.
Get to work! 😉
Yes sir!
Nooooooooo 😂😂😂 that knot is to good
Devin, thanks for the video. I have always heard that the 16/20 was a good knot, my only question is that it seems to require quite a bit of tippet, are you able to use it to tie a fly on a dropper tag ? Thanks much
I suggest watching the video Bob. I talk specifically about how little tippet I use when tying it.
Thanks for sharing; I'll practice this and try it out next time I'm on the water. Are there any variations that need to be considered, depending on the diameter of tippet or size of hook? For example, do you use three turns regardless, or are there some combinations that don't work well with this knot? Also, is lubricating the line to cinch it down unnecessary with this knot (some say the Davy knot does not need to be lubricated)?
I don’t use any variations but it only works well up to about 2x tippet. You should wet the knot as I mentioned in text in the video.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Oops, I guess I missed the text in the video -- thanks for clarifying.
I'll start rapping on my right index finger with a hammer to start that callus!
Get to work!
The loop in your left hand is easy to see with the yellow line, but I'm having a devil of a time seeing it between my left-hand fingers with tippet. It's hard to find that loop for threading the tag end through.
It is tough to find at first but with practice you'll be able to predict where it will be and thread it almost without seeing it.
I've been tying fishing knots for over five decades; I think I will forgo body piercing (on purpose) in tying one...hehe
@Tactical Fly Fisher , curious if Eugene and Pitzen/16-20 are the same? I see one subtle difference in loop shape diagrams, that occurs when you wrap loop (Eugene) vs wrapping the tag end (Pitzen/16-20) end. Wondering if this difference is negligible.
I'm not familiar with the Eugene knot myself. The San Diego Jam is another similar knot with an extra step.
You can pull out the knot after tying and it will create a loop on your fly, it will slide tight when you hook up.
Just realized this is the noose knot, 13 wraps for the hangman’s noose.
I know Dom over at troutbitten is a big believer in the Davy knot for tippet to fly knots. Any thoughts on this knot versus the 16/20? I have been using the Davy and it seems to work well so trying to determine if I should switch knots or not
I haven’t used the Harvey knot
I like the simplicity of the Davey knot but I have had it slip several times with fluoro... I will be giving this 16/20 a try next time I hit the water, it looks a tad easier to tie than my old stand-by improved clinch.
@@fortfly I too have had the Davey knot with flouro, especially if the hook gauge is too thick compared to the tippet diameter
I had a real slippage problem with the Davy when I used Rio 5x or 6x flouro. Haven't had any problem since I switched to Cortland Premium.
@@rjf1877 That is strange as I basically only fish Rio 6x fluoro with the Davy on the Colorado tailwaters with zero knot issues on fish of all sizes including 20+ inch. Maybe I am tying them different.
Great knot, thanks. I’ll give it a go! What is the music at the start of the video? Jill 🇬🇧
Random song I found on a music subscription site for filmmakers.
If you don't want to stab yourself every time you tie this knot palm any tool with a metal loop or keyring. I flip my hemostats around and secure the hook on the finger loop and then when finishing the knot just pull back on the tool to "seat" the knot.
This seems quite a good knot but I would not dare put the hook in my finger because my hooks are quite sharp and it would probably hurt me badly. I think I will use a cork to try this knot. Thank you for this tip
16/20... hmm, nice... what are clinch and mono non-slip loops rated, Devin?
Both are not as strong in my experience especially the clinch.
The issue is when you use light tippet for the fly. The clinch knot will fail if you use a light tippet to the hook. I have used 7x tippet on size 14 nymphs and clinches fail so easily. I learned the palmer knot for spin fishing just for this reason. Too much material waste for the knot.
@@MarcTelesha Thanks for sharing your on-water experience with me. Much obliged.
What is the difference between this and the Uni Knot?
Look up some animations or videos, the UNI knot is tied quite differently.
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Hi thanks for taking the trouble to reply to me. I’ve had time to think about the 2 knots and realise that although they seem similar they are tied differently 👍
I use a uni-knot and this seems somewhat similar - would you say they are pretty comparable as far as strength and size ?
I'll give yers a try !
I’ve found the 16/20 to be stronger and smaller than a uni knot personally.
2:10 To skip to the tutorial
Oh man it looks really hurt!
Fast forward to 02:36 To muct talking as usual
The tetanus knot haha 😂
Gotta keep current on that tetanus booster! 🙂
That’s really cool you have a calus from doing this. A real testament to a fishing lifestyle!
lose the music.
Showoff!