Amazing! I am enjoying Doom Fusion on the 32X it is amazing to see what the 32X CD could actually do in the right hands. I hope this opens up the door for more physical releases for the 32X and 32X CD. I know I and many other gamers would support this.
At first glance Psx looks superior mainly due colorured "light sources" and semi transparent sprites...BUT 32x ver seems to have more complex maps architecture.
@RGF The SEGA project Neptune (unrealised and unachieved) was a console fusion of genesis and 32X destined to cohabit with sega saturn, an alternative low cost to the 3d hardware. Sega was diverse strategy at this moment and that costed a lot of to the compagny, different vision of the market and really not prepare to the futur succes of the playstation. That's a shame. But the technology at this moment evoluated very speedly finally the 32X is depassed speedly and thats really not interested for developpers (at this moment) to work hard on an hardware already behind his era.
I still think Sega should have went with a tied system or "pillars" that Nintendo did. When Nintendo had the N64 they also had the GBA and the DS. They had 3 pillars and made games maximize the strengths of the hardware. If Sega did not have so much in fighting they could have had a 2 pillar system. One for the unique, large memory CD rom games like the Panzer Dragoon Series, Nights and Astal for the Saturn and the 32X could have been home to amazing 32 bit arcade ports like an arcade port of Super Monaco GP, Out Runners and Golden Axe the Revenge of Death Adder. They already proved the 32X hardware could do amazing ports like Space Harrier and After Burner II. To this day many 32 bit Sega games never made it to home consoles. The Saturn could have lived next to the 32X/Neptune which could still play Sega Genesis games and with Sega giving people a reason to have a 32X/Neptune they would have moved more units and with more units, games using the 32X/Neptune CD like Doom Fusion would have been viable. One could only dream. At least we have Doom Fusion now and I hope we get more like it from indie developers. I would not mind if they sold digital versions of their games one modern consoles and Steam to help make up money as long as they released a physical version for the 32X CD. Again, I would be up for that.
Great video and I want to see more comparisons to DOOM CD32X Fusion as I'm blown away by how close it appears in my mind to the original PC versions. I got it running on my own tower of power and I will try to set it up myself next to a 1994/95 PC at some point.
Great achivement! It's always interesting to see what can be done with hardware. Now I wonder how PS1 version could look like given time and dedicated team with modern knowledge of PS1 programming.
@@RGF my main problem with Doom 64 is lack of huge open levels like in Doom 2. Levels of Doom 64 are rather "compact". Maybe with engine like in Toy Story 2 on PS1 we could get same level of draw distances we get in some Doom levels. Or maybe devs could improve and optimise original Doom engine for PS1 to get more detalistion and framerate like in this new version of Doom on the Tower of Power.
We can go back and forth over which is more impressive, or which we prefer. What we learn from this is, the developers were rushed to get these games out and we got shittier versions of doom than we could've had.
Well, modern tools helped....but i have to agree, we only got fmv stuff from those add ons, not even sega released something for it.....I guess no business case, but the power was there!
Pulled my tower of power out of storage to try this out but my model 1 SegaCD won’t turn on 😢. Gotta crack her open now and fix her up so I can try this out finally 😂
I didn't read the instructions properly at first, so when I patched the files without renaming the .wads, Kega Fusion didn't open them. I reread the instructions, but after renaming the .wad files, the patching process fails. 🤷🏻♂
While this is cool for the "tower of power", all it really did for me was show just how much further PlayStation Doom could be pushed. I can only imagine. And, man, that atmosphere on the PlayStation version because of the Aubrey Hodges soundscape is just untouchable imo. The PlayStation controller is also kinda perfect for this game.
I think if the 32X came out in America and Europe and there was no Saturn in these regions I think the power would have shown to be more powerful (with all attachments) and could have saved sega
Well the 32x and saturn were released with only a few months difference, not smart by sega. But the 32x was more capable then his games are showing, just look at tomb raider running there....texture poligons mapped goodness 😳
In they time 32x could be great. A cheap extension for the already owned hardware for basic 3D gaming sounded like a good idea ... if only they release it some month earlier and the sega saturn some month later
This is amazing honestly!!! This easily beats the jag version, and that was the best version until the PSX came out!!!! Now lets fix the Saturn Version and 3DO!!!
OptiDoom renderer already improved the 3DO version a bit, and it runs even better on emulator. The developer of OptiDoom said that rewriting the engine code from scratch would improve the framerate even more, but it would be too complex.
@@RGF , John Carmack forbid Rage Software from using Hardware rendering because of texture warping, it was a ridiculous decision. I would prefer Saturn Doom with texture warping but 60 fps and colored lighting (an alpha version achieved it), instead of the slow motion version we got...
There's some limitations on the RAM on the mega CD, so the cart is being used to store assets, not as a RAM. A bit like king of fighters 95 on the saturn.
@@gurujoe75 Yeah, if the "tower or power" can do this decades after the fact, it's pretty clear the PS1 can do better in pretty much every single way under the same conditions. I mean, Christ, look at Alien Resurrection on PS1; it's technically in a different league: ruclips.net/video/uLNItqbhmks/видео.html And Quake II as well: ruclips.net/video/K1DMSXbWRiQ/видео.html And with twenty years of learning the PS1 could do even better still. So, as I mentioned in my other comment, all this comparison showed me was just how much further a version of Doom on PS1 could be pushed.
I would not be so sure of that, the Ps1was already a very well developed system back then, Sony provided grreat tools to the devs so I'm eagerto think it can't get much better from what we already haave
Imo, the 32x wins EZ! Its not based of the Jag-doom scource, it contains almost all expansions, including DooM2! It have higher resolution and more varied assets, fps is about the same AND most importantly, has super shotgun xD And if u prefer performance, u can turn down settings for even higher fps then any other port of that era. Thats said, PSX version is a great looking port, only dethroned 2024 by good developers. Its maybe more bareboned of the two, but it makes up for alot with its eerie music and coloring.
It is close to a draw, the 32x wins in the end. Closer to original sound,music and looks. Also a mayor technical achievement. If the ps1 version received the same amount of dev time to upgrade it, it would probably feel like a modern retro game. (like Brutal doom running on gzdoom)
The PS1 was an impressive port but it pales in comparison to Doom Fusion. The Saturn had a 4-meg cart with a CD when they released Street Fighter VS X-men. Seeing how CDs are really not that expensive to make I could have seen this sold at retail if games like Doom Fusion really put the hardware to good use. I have a repro of the game and CD with custom artwork and a custom case and it all looks like an actual retail product and it a great way to preserve this accomplishment in style.
@@RGF Between the 3 consoles of the MegaDrive, 32X and CD, I would think there's enough ram to store information and reduce loading times. But I'm not a developer. Wish I was though! I won't be surprised if in the near future a CD only version of Doom 32X/CD is released, obviously with loading times. Would be interesting to see how long the levels take to load between stages.
@@Charlie-eq3dj According to Vic, "(R)unning the game solely from the CD is not feasible due to the 32X’s limited RAM, which can not accommodate all necessary resources".
Lo primero que hay que tener en cuenta es que ps1 es claramente mucho mas potente que la torre de poder. La version de 32x es tecnicamente mucho mas meritoria, aun teniendo en cuenta que la version de ps1 fue uno de los primeros juegos y que no pudo aprobechar bien su potencia. Psx tiene iluminacion y mejor framerate, por el otro lado la torre de poder tiene la musica original que es mucho mejor. Mas que hablar de cual version es mejor hay que hablar de lo buena que es la version de la torre de poder
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What do you guys think?
Amazing! I am enjoying Doom Fusion on the 32X it is amazing to see what the 32X CD could actually do in the right hands. I hope this opens up the door for more physical releases for the 32X and 32X CD. I know I and many other gamers would support this.
It would truly amazing to get a phisical release....and the open lara is also looking great 👍
@@RGF Agreed!
At first glance Psx looks superior mainly due colorured "light sources" and semi transparent sprites...BUT 32x ver seems to have more complex maps architecture.
I think your voice is cringe ASF
Finally after 30 years that towering pile of shit isnt a disappointment
Well....I think it was never the intention to make use the two add ons massively
@RGF The SEGA project Neptune (unrealised and unachieved) was a console fusion of genesis and 32X destined to cohabit with sega saturn, an alternative low cost to the 3d hardware. Sega was diverse strategy at this moment and that costed a lot of to the compagny, different vision of the market and really not prepare to the futur succes of the playstation. That's a shame. But the technology at this moment evoluated very speedly finally the 32X is depassed speedly and thats really not interested for developpers (at this moment) to work hard on an hardware already behind his era.
@robowarrior1982 yeah.....sega and their bad decisions, I was aware of that, but thx 4 sharing 👍
I still think Sega should have went with a tied system or "pillars" that Nintendo did. When Nintendo had the N64 they also had the GBA and the DS. They had 3 pillars and made games maximize the strengths of the hardware. If Sega did not have so much in fighting they could have had a 2 pillar system. One for the unique, large memory CD rom games like the Panzer Dragoon Series, Nights and Astal for the Saturn and the 32X could have been home to amazing 32 bit arcade ports like an arcade port of Super Monaco GP, Out Runners and Golden Axe the Revenge of Death Adder. They already proved the 32X hardware could do amazing ports like Space Harrier and After Burner II.
To this day many 32 bit Sega games never made it to home consoles. The Saturn could have lived next to the 32X/Neptune which could still play Sega Genesis games and with Sega giving people a reason to have a 32X/Neptune they would have moved more units and with more units, games using the 32X/Neptune CD like Doom Fusion would have been viable. One could only dream.
At least we have Doom Fusion now and I hope we get more like it from indie developers. I would not mind if they sold digital versions of their games one modern consoles and Steam to help make up money as long as they released a physical version for the 32X CD. Again, I would be up for that.
@@robowarrior1982 The japanese branched screwed over the US branch by not revealing that they got a Sega Saturn ready behind their backs.
Now lets see Doom Fusion on the Saturn!
Would be awesome 👌 👏
Great video and I want to see more comparisons to DOOM CD32X Fusion as I'm blown away by how close it appears in my mind to the original PC versions. I got it running on my own tower of power and I will try to set it up myself next to a 1994/95 PC at some point.
It's really mid blowing how well it runs....and so close it is from the PC version 😀
Great achivement! It's always interesting to see what can be done with hardware.
Now I wonder how PS1 version could look like given time and dedicated team with modern knowledge of PS1 programming.
I guess we would have a Doom 64....with more poligons....it would look like a remake 😀
@@RGF my main problem with Doom 64 is lack of huge open levels like in Doom 2. Levels of Doom 64 are rather "compact".
Maybe with engine like in Toy Story 2 on PS1 we could get same level of draw distances we get in some Doom levels.
Or maybe devs could improve and optimise original Doom engine for PS1 to get more detalistion and framerate like in this new version of Doom on the Tower of Power.
The music on the 32X one is REALLY good! Excellent bass lines!
It is awesome indeed 👏 😎
Let's ask a 90's mom what she thinks...
90's mom: ✊️😡
No way 😁😁😁
i think you can put the playstation soundtrack on the CD 32x fusion port since it has an option for FM or CD audio
Yeah, at least for the ambient sound....
32x version clear winner here
Thx 4 watching 👍
The new,the official old 32x was awful port
And it only took 32 years to get there.
@@markula_4040 Appropriate for 32x :D
It was rushed 😪
32X was my first experience with DooM and found out later it was only half the full game.
It was rushed to be bundled with 32x 😪😪
Blast processing *intensifies*
😀 Indeed we can feel his power
It's Doom! It runs on everything! Have to try it on The Spectrum ("mini") ;)
😁😆😆 do you have your specy mini?
@@RGF Yep, it will be a xmas present ;) I bought it during the last hours of Amazon's black friday sales for 90 euros ;)
Cool....if you want to do a video of it and you need some participants, count me in 😀
We can go back and forth over which is more impressive, or which we prefer.
What we learn from this is, the developers were rushed to get these games out and we got shittier versions of doom than we could've had.
Well, modern tools helped....but i have to agree, we only got fmv stuff from those add ons, not even sega released something for it.....I guess no business case, but the power was there!
Ms-Dos ftw
The original 🥰
Pulled my tower of power out of storage to try this out but my model 1 SegaCD won’t turn on 😢. Gotta crack her open now and fix her up so I can try this out finally 😂
Sad news.....hopefully an easy fix 😀
I didn't read the instructions properly at first, so when I patched the files without renaming the .wads, Kega Fusion didn't open them.
I reread the instructions, but after renaming the .wad files, the patching process fails. 🤷🏻♂
You need to do it very carefully.....just re do all steps and take your time.....it will work 👍
While this is cool for the "tower of power", all it really did for me was show just how much further PlayStation Doom could be pushed. I can only imagine. And, man, that atmosphere on the PlayStation version because of the Aubrey Hodges soundscape is just untouchable imo. The PlayStation controller is also kinda perfect for this game.
We could have something similar to Doom 64...
Ps1 version is the most atmospheric version
That's absolutely true, the lighting effects and music really help to create the dark mood 😀
I think Chilly Willy and friends are AMAZING
Ok....
It's gonna be awesome to play it on the GF1 Neptune when it comes out.
Do we have date for getting it available?
I think if the 32X came out in America and Europe and there was no Saturn in these regions I think the power would have shown to be more powerful (with all attachments) and could have saved sega
A little bit confused by your comment. Do you mean if the 32X was only released instead of the Saturn? Because the 32X was out in Europe and America.
Well the 32x and saturn were released with only a few months difference, not smart by sega.
But the 32x was more capable then his games are showing, just look at tomb raider running there....texture poligons mapped goodness 😳
WOW, The Sega Power-Tower in action!!
Ohhh yeaahhh .....
In they time 32x could be great. A cheap extension for the already owned hardware for basic 3D gaming sounded like a good idea ... if only they release it some month earlier and the sega saturn some month later
I think the 32x was a overkill.....o lock on cart with svp would have much more success, even because it could have been available way sooner.....
can you make a vid on how to install doom 32XCD Fusion?
Cuz i wanna play this on picodrive retroarch but it wont work
It will not run on those emulators, on the video description you have really good instructions on how to do it and what emulator to use, check it out.
@@RGF oh ok
Can you do master edition ps1 vs doom fusion 32x cd? Better comparison than the original ps1 port.
Let me take a look, thx 4 the feedback
This is amazing honestly!!! This easily beats the jag version, and that was the best version until the PSX came out!!!! Now lets fix the Saturn Version and 3DO!!!
The Saturn deserved better....just look at Quake or Duke Nukem 3D...🥲
OptiDoom renderer already improved the 3DO version a bit, and it runs even better on emulator. The developer of OptiDoom said that rewriting the engine code from scratch would improve the framerate even more, but it would be too complex.
@@RGF , John Carmack forbid Rage Software from using Hardware rendering because of texture warping, it was a ridiculous decision. I would prefer Saturn Doom with texture warping but 60 fps and colored lighting (an alpha version achieved it), instead of the slow motion version we got...
Absolutely
Why do u need the cart & the cd?
There's some limitations on the RAM on the mega CD, so the cart is being used to store assets, not as a RAM.
A bit like king of fighters 95 on the saturn.
PS1 colour lighting, faster framerate.
Yes, that's true, but the fusion version has more textures and more elements on screen....
@@RGF .. sure, but it's a 20 years newer project. I think it's very easy to improve the PS1 version or make it a 1:1 PC port.
👍 true
@@gurujoe75 Yeah, if the "tower or power" can do this decades after the fact, it's pretty clear the PS1 can do better in pretty much every single way under the same conditions.
I mean, Christ, look at Alien Resurrection on PS1; it's technically in a different league:
ruclips.net/video/uLNItqbhmks/видео.html
And Quake II as well:
ruclips.net/video/K1DMSXbWRiQ/видео.html
And with twenty years of learning the PS1 could do even better still.
So, as I mentioned in my other comment, all this comparison showed me was just how much further a version of Doom on PS1 could be pushed.
I would not be so sure of that, the Ps1was already a very well developed system back then, Sony provided grreat tools to the devs so I'm eagerto think it can't get much better from what we already haave
Imo, the 32x wins EZ!
Its not based of the Jag-doom scource, it contains almost all expansions, including DooM2!
It have higher resolution and more varied assets, fps is about the same AND most importantly, has super shotgun xD
And if u prefer performance, u can turn down settings for even higher fps then any other port of that era.
Thats said, PSX version is a great looking port, only dethroned 2024 by good developers.
Its maybe more bareboned of the two, but it makes up for alot with its eerie music and coloring.
Yeah, some good points 👉
The PSX port also has the super shotgun...
It is close to a draw, the 32x wins in the end. Closer to original sound,music and looks. Also a mayor technical achievement. If the ps1 version received the same amount of dev time to upgrade it, it would probably feel like a modern retro game. (like Brutal doom running on gzdoom)
Yeah true....I really wanted to put it by side with the better 32bit version.
But indeed the ps1 was capable of more.
The PS1 was an impressive port but it pales in comparison to Doom Fusion. The Saturn had a 4-meg cart with a CD when they released Street Fighter VS X-men. Seeing how CDs are really not that expensive to make I could have seen this sold at retail if games like Doom Fusion really put the hardware to good use. I have a repro of the game and CD with custom artwork and a custom case and it all looks like an actual retail product and it a great way to preserve this accomplishment in style.
There's already repro of this Doom fusion? Cool 😎
Why would you need the cartrdige at this point if you have CD storage? Just stream the game off of the CD and let the 32X do all the processing.
Because of loading times, and at this stage, the laser of our cd drives will struggle to do so....
@@RGF Between the 3 consoles of the MegaDrive, 32X and CD, I would think there's enough ram to store information and reduce loading times. But I'm not a developer. Wish I was though!
I won't be surprised if in the near future a CD only version of Doom 32X/CD is released, obviously with loading times. Would be interesting to see how long the levels take to load between stages.
Let's see.....if it does it will bring it here to the channel, thx 4 watching 👍
@@Charlie-eq3dj According to Vic, "(R)unning the game solely from the CD is not feasible due to the 32X’s limited RAM, which can not accommodate all necessary resources".
So, power was there
Yes it was indeed...
The 32x version is now basically the PC version with a lower frame rate. I still think the ps1 version has a superior soundtrack.
I think it is a matter of taste....but the ps1 sound samples have highter quality
I agree completely in my opinion the PS1 version is the best version Available and the atmosphere is by far the best
Lo primero que hay que tener en cuenta es que ps1 es claramente mucho mas potente que la torre de poder. La version de 32x es tecnicamente mucho mas meritoria, aun teniendo en cuenta que la version de ps1 fue uno de los primeros juegos y que no pudo aprobechar bien su potencia. Psx tiene iluminacion y mejor framerate, por el otro lado la torre de poder tiene la musica original que es mucho mejor. Mas que hablar de cual version es mejor hay que hablar de lo buena que es la version de la torre de poder
Solo queria comparar esto nuevo por con la mejor version possibel en la mm generation...
😀👍
😅👍👍
Cd32x blows PSX version out of the water big time. These two version are uncomparable since 32xcd is a pc version more or less.
Thx 4 watching and thx 4 your feedback
Grande melhora.
Mas mesmo assim prefiro a versao ps1 por causa dos gatilhos da manete
Sim, verdade