Zangoose Solo Challenge (VS Continued) - Pokémon FireRed
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- Challenge Rules:
- I can only use my starter in battle.
- No items in trainer battles except held items.
- No glitches, exploits, or RNG manipulations.
- Accuracy moves aren’t explicitly banned but will be avoided.
- I will be playing these runs at 4x game speed
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I use a software called "PKHeX" to edit my starter, setting things like it's Nature, and IVs to be perfect 31s, or marginally reduced to give specific Hidden Power typing to optimize strategy. All of the Pokémon I use are 100% attainable in the base game. The software allows me to create my "perfect" egg Pokémon in a much shorter timeframe.
PKHeX also allows me to set my Pokédex total to max after the Round 1 Elite 4. A requirement of Round 2 is catching 60 species and I am only interested in the potential of the Pokémon that I'm running instead of my ability to catch Pokémon optimally.
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Dang. I never would've figured Zangoose for "more powerful than literal legendaries" but you go little sword ferret!
That early access to SD Erratic growth rate are a winning combination when pursuing a R2 finish. SD offsets the slow start, then the late game almost just feels like it melts away. What a fun run to play :)
I love Zangoose.
Its no wonder in Gen 6 they moved Sword Dance to be learned at Lv43 rather Lv9 for zangoose. Early Game SD is powerful.
Well, it got nerfed in Black and White 2, where it needs to wait much longer for Swords Dance.
Absolute craziness wasn't it? Armaldo placed so high because of SD as an egg move, but Zangoose learning it naturally at 10? Insanity. So fun to play :) Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional No prob mate, If it was Gen 5, You'd have access to Zangoose's Hidden ability Toxic Boost. Which is basically the ability Guts only for poison.
So thats +50% attack stat and swords dance at Level 9. Get yourself a toxic orb or poison yourself off of a low level wild pokemon then start sweeping the game.
There is also poison type gym in Black2/White2.
@@TheCrazyhusky Very cool I didn't know that. I had to quickly look up Toxic Orb, it's introduced in Gen 4 so it's something new that I need to learn! I saw Toxic Boost and I assumed it acted like Guts. Being badly poisoned early, facing a team of 6 though with setup might get tricky. I'm pumped to get into a newer Generation for the expanded diversity of options. Gen 5+ will have to remain on the backburner for a while though.
The alliteration at 18:35 is just incredible, bravo 👏🏻
Thank you :) I had a lot of fun with that one.
The round 1 Bruno alliteration was impressive. I'm more of a Seviper fan (I love snakes) but I'm happy a normal type did so well and defeated the legends.
If Seviper learned SD at level 10 things would have played out much differently. I had a lot of fun with that alliteration! Thank you :)
SD + STAB Return is beastly :D What a monster
It seriously felt like Zangoose was built to defeat this game. I'm genuinely curious if anything will be able to beat that time? Thanks :)
That was truly spectacular. When I was younger, Zangoose was my all-time favorite pokemon. My boy did me so proud!!
This run was an absolute blast to plan. Zangoose felt like it was built to break this game. I'm glad that I was able to do it proud :) Thanks!
7:05 I always try to imagine how each Pokémon uses each move and with Zangoose I imagine that the way it uses Swords Dance is it either plants its claws and does a couple of spins to sharpen them or it runs around the opponent and uses the momentum to boost the power of its moves and it keeps doing that movement after being told to use Swords Dance once and being told to use it again makes Zangoose move faster to generate more power. I prefer to think it does the first thing of spinning to sharpen its claws since as I'm writing this I'm realizing that the second example sounds more like how a Pokémon would use Dragon Dance. I've been working on writing and drawing my Pokémon comic in my spare time and while I suck at writing a decent story I do have fun planning out Pokémon battles and trying make them the perfect balance between the games and anime so imagining how Pokémon use moves in multiple ways seems like the perfect way to do it. For example I can see Charmander uses Ember either by shooting small flames from its mouth or by swinging it tail so it can quickly use the flame on it to spread small fire balls in a defensive way
That's super cool! I really like that. Choreographing entire Pokémon battles but with mechanics that exist outside of the game sounds so fun. It immediately made me think of Pikachu roasting Onix with an Electric move because the sprinklers turned on in the anime. Zangoose was 100% one that I was thinking about throughout the run. Flashing it's claws, getting low into a pouncing position. Cat Ferret (/mongoose?) type stuff! Amazing comment thank you for sharing :)
Zangoose is definitely one of the pokemon that is perfect for this type of run
Absolutely. This was the run that I've been looking for since discovering pushing into the R2 league with the Erratic growth rate and early SD while playing Armaldo. Zangoose just did it better. Thanks :)
I'm finally catched up to current release. Been watching this during the slow and low time at work. You could say it give me a Calm Mind.
I just love the whole "genre" of narrated supercuts, not just pokemon challenges but all kind of things like achievement grinds and other playthrough with some kind of restriction. They're also great for when you work to Bulk Up on your muscles.
For livestream VODs. RUclips do keep them indefinitely as long as no Cursed thing happen with copyright. And if you plan to stream on twitch, I would love to have a mean to watch them later since I live in a whole different side of the world and can't catch it live.
Thank you! I'm glad you've been enjoying them. I really enjoy the highly edited gameplay genre as well. That's why so many of my videos are less about "the hardest challenges possible" and much more about having fun and sharing my experience. I'd much rather be known for spreading love than being a Pokémon mechanic loremaster. I'd never considered using my content during workouts but I've had a ton of comments about that! I put a lot of energy into my voice overs :)
Absolutely! That's why I'm happy to release the VODs because not everyone can catch it live, and not everyone has the time to watch a 3-1/2 stream in one go. RUclips is great for that.
You weren't lying during the stream, Zangoose was a massive improvement on the Snakes. Keep up the good work, looking forward to the next stream!
Thank you :) Yeah, Zangoose was incredible. I've been getting things prepared for the next stream! I've been tempted to fully lean into that Slowpoke nickname and add the "mania" to the end.
@@Eggsceptional I'm hoping to be there to see how the events of my derpy little buddy unfold!
So wild to me that a Pokémon that isn’t given much love in competitive or a lot of other stuff can do so well here just because of its learned moveset. It finding something it can do better than even some of the best legendaries is phenomenal. As a Zangoose fan, I couldn’t be more proud
It felt like Zangoose was designed to break this game. Pushing into Round 2 with the Erratic growth rate is fantastic in my experience so far, and early SD offset the slower start. As a solo runner? I'm not sure who will be able to beat that time. Thank you :)
@@Eggsceptional have you thought of doing a dual run? I think plusle and minun could fit pretty well
@@polixter421 I have! I just haven't found a good way of getting it to work. None of the romhacks I've tried work in my other software so I'm having a rough time setting up the run the way I'd like it to be. One problem at a time :P But yes! I would love exploring pairs. Plusle/Minun, Latias/Latios, Nidoking/queen. Any pairing that make sense. Thank you for the suggestion!
Zangoose is gonna be top tier for sure I reckon. It's good stats, early SD and nice movepool should make up for it being on the Erratic exp group before level 50 I think.
That early SD carried the entire run. That Erratic growth rate made the end game a cakewalk to boot. What a treat to run. Thank you :)
Super excited to see how Zangoose fares against their rival, Seviper. Always preferred Zangoose, so hopefully they can win!!
Did you see what Zangoose learns at level 10? :) This run is VERY different to last week. Thanks!
Zangoose is one derp I've always liked the design of but never actually used in a play through. Loved watching the video, thank you again!
As for eggs, I'm a simple man. Scrambled w/ pepper and ketchup.
With it being spoopy season, should do another run with a ghost-type like Bannett (sp?) or Misdreavus or something.
This one was so much fun to run!! My pleasure, thanks for watching!
There's no denying the classics. I'm not convinced by the ketchup, but that's just me :)
I'm taking a step back this week, and then yes the plan for Halloween next week is Misdreavus. A Levitating Ghost? Spooooky ;)
@@Eggsceptional Hell yeah! Some spooks!
No egg pun this week, brain is fried.
Fun fact about eggs week 1
Romans used to eat fried eggs as a dessert! Usually with honey
Thanks for the upload ❤
I have a new page of notes now, anticipating more egg facts I hope you know. Fun fact, I've never tried eggs with honey! Maple syrup sure, I'm Canadian after all, but not honey. Thank you, as always, for the comment :)
@@Eggsceptional eggs don’t feed the algorithm like comments do
@@chefgrizz6284 Eggs feed us so that we may feed the algorithm? I'll be back later I need to go watch the Lion King now. It's the ciiiiiiiircle of YouTuuuuuubeeeeeee
loved the zangoose run, can you do a three way versus with the hitmons?
A 3 way for the Hitmons has been on the list for quite a while! Now with one more vote. It will likely be a project for early 2024 due to time constraints. Please be patient with me :) Thanks!
Great video as per usual, and this is also one of the only premieres I have ever caught. Thanks again for all of the great content!
I'm glad you were able to catch it live! Thanks for your support :)
Have you concidered Crawdaunt vs Sharpedo? Love the content, keep it up!
I like it! Crawdaunt has been requested to face Kingler as well, but my intent it to eventually run all Pokémon, both starting unevolved, and with my VS rules for a full comparison. All things in time :) Thank you!!
I won’t be surprised if Zangoose still gets a fast time, even without Double Kick.
Level up to 10, win with SD. It might not have defeated Kyogre in those circumstances, but it wouldn't have added much time at all to the run. Zangoose was a beast.
Great video sir! Always look forward to watching your content☺️
Thank you, thank you :) Pleeenty more to come. Thanks!
Zangoose's results in firered are matching an A tier finish in rby ,which is really surprising. I wonder how good it can ve if it would have been ported back to gen 1 with the badge boost glitch.
I'm glad that one of my favorites got the top spot on your tier list.😊 I bet that was really satisfying to see Tyranitar been one shot ,no questions asked 😂😂😂.
And about the nuzlocke on soul sliver don't worry about it, because it's a learning process, and you'll be victorious at very end and get it done eventually . 😊
That's awesome! Way to go Zangoose for a full game and post game clear in that amount of time. Faster than most of my runs are even done Round 1! Badge boosting with Zangoose would be so broken. I'll leave that kind of challenge to creators much smarter than I, like Scott's Thoughts. His backport videos are amazing.
Don't get me going about that Tyranitar :) After weeks of suffering to that thing watching him melt was beyond cathartic!
For sure! It's felt so chaotic last time. This coming week I have my corrections from last week made. Here's hoping for more than 3 badges worth of progress!. Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional For sure. I really like his back porting runs in yellow,it is kind of inspiring me to try and do that just for fun.☺️ Because I want to see how broken Zangoose could be ,some day.
It's always fun to beat a Pokemon that you've struggling with in previous runs .🙂
@@bateltheassistant It's so true! Who knows maybe the backporting process will become better and better over time. This community is incredible for making resources, then sharing them with each other. I can't see Zangoose ever struggling based on my eggsperience!
wait until Pokemon Challenges hears about this, zangoose is his favorite
My ineptitude in my "Nuzlocke" ish.. SS stream might chase him away :P
@@Eggsceptional I wouldn't be surprised at all if you sent it to him with permission to react to it if he made a video reacting
@@forrestorick3845 I actually wouldn't mind his feedback on my runs. His expertise and depth of knowledge in Pokémon is absolutely wild. He'd be able to tell me everything that I do wrong :P
What an absolute beast of a run
It felt like Zangoose was built to wreck this game. I had so much fun playing this one :) Thanks!
Zangoose is a very simple pokemon, it can only do one thing. But as it turns out "Hit hard" is a good skillset.
I love that with the entire kitchen sink of a moveset available to me I used like.. 9 unique moves? For the whole game? Thanks :)
I missed the premier but when I learned it gets swords dance at level 10 i think zangoose will reach legendary status not to mention great stats for a solo run. I feel like only intimatde can slow it down.
I would agree! We did miss you at the premiere but there will be more. I didn't even feel like Intimidate could slow it down. Maybe just slightly inconvenience. What a run! So fun to play :) Thanks.
With my name being Ricky this is my all time favorite video
See? Going through the game in first person is a ton of fun! Thank you I'm glad that you enjoyed it so much :)
A great follow up to last weeks video!
It was requested as part of the VS, but as a solo runner, Zangoose is in a league of its own. Thanks!
Always knew that Zangoose is perfectly suited for this type of run, however.....we all know about the two heavy favourites looming in the sky and their descend into the race is bound to happen in the future.
Zangoose was a monster! So fun to play. Ah yes, I've been looking for more Pokémon to add to that S tier. I mean.. I'm branching into HG/SS after all... I need more experience with those Gen 2 Pokémon :) Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional yeah the second run with zangoose was really clean af and first also was really smooth despite lacking the adjustments. The two pokemon are Rayquaza and Mewtwo. These two will definetely land in S tier or even take the lead. Looking forward especially on these two runs and more HG/SS with the physical special split too! I also wish a sinnoh solo race track but the sinnoh games are so slow regarding the HP and EXP bars that makes HG/SS a good choice for a gen 4 race.
@@erstonoutway7281 That's good to know! I've only played Platinum once and that was many years ago. HG/SS felt like the more natural transition since I love me some remakes, and I've played a whole bunch of Crystal. The phys/spec split is going to change everything. I'm still getting used to the idea of physical Vine Whip. Mewtwo and Rayquaza I have high eggspecations for. I'm also looking forward to re-running Kyogre/Groudon with the split. Particularly Groudon. AHHH I wanna do it all!
@@Eggsceptional Oh yeah the Physical/Special split was a GODSEND for Groudon especially because he can effectively use the elemtal punches and dragonclaw for coverage.
@@erstonoutway7281 Absolutely! But you know, one video at a time :) I still have to take the time to wrap my head around things like physical Vine Whip and special Gust.
Fun run! When I saw early SD, I knew it was going to be used right away! Gotta love an early SD! I was shocked at how lucky the first Brock fight was compared to the second. I thought DK would allow for a consistent win even at that low of a level.
I had tested the Brock battle (literally the only thing I really tested for playthrough 2 until the leagues) and though possible that battle at level 6 was super inconsistent. I won maybe half of the time? Level 8 made it almost guaranteed. That little bit of extra grinding also helped me leading into Mt. Moon. Being that slightly higher level meant that the Repels actually worked :P Such a fun run to play though. What a treat after quite a few more challenging runs lately. Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional I always forget that repel thing too! that also took me by surprise. so use to being over leveled lol
@@adamrojas9235 Right? You know you do too many solo challenges when :P
@@Eggsceptional so very true LOL!
Are you planning to branch out to doing solo challenges in other Pokemon games? Seeing how some of these mons would play solo in the recent gens would surely make for interesting runs.
I'm currently learning SoulSilver as the next game that I branch into. I'm not a big fan of the newer Pokémon games after they switched everything from the 2D pixel art style to being more 3D. I cannot wait to replay some of these runs that I've done, particularly with some physical attackers that always feel get stuck with some combination of the same 4 moves. Thanks :)
Love ur vids ❤
Thank you :) I try to make the content that I like to watch. I'm so happy that others enjoy it too!
I love zangoose so glad he’s the fastest
Zangoose felt like it was built to beat that game. So much fun! Thanks :)
5:01
bro forgot to take his dr seuss pills this morning
I hope you made it to the alliteration at Bruno then :) Thanks!
Early SD this should be eggceptionaly good
Oh just you wait :) There's nothing like early SD.
I believe Sandslash gets SD as an egg move. I'd love to see that one compared with Zangoose
I have yet to run a solo Ground Pokémon actually! Well... Groudon doesn't count. I will absolutely run Sandslash using the VS rules as well, and I've added a note to compare it to Zangoose. I've been recommended this before - so now it has one more vote. Thanks!
Uhhh I don’t like eating eggs much D: I think it’s a texture issue for me. Does egg fried rice count? Good run this week, and what I was able to catch of the stream was a blast! Absol might be another interesting gen 3 Pokémon run because it gets SD too, although at a higher level.
But.. the noms! Absol is such a cool Pokémon I'm looking forward to playing it for that reason alone. Eventually!
PS I would have eggscepted almost any dish containing eggs. Cookies, brownies, cakes, bread, egg friend rice, egg noodles. It's all fair game :) Eggs are the best.
Have you considered adding the meowth army to your box so you don't have to factor the time it takes to capture them to the runs?
I had not actually! Part of the reason I like catching the Meowths is that it adds an investment of time to using Hidden Power. Some Pokémon like Zangoose don't need it at all, where some have some big hole in their coverage that I need to fill. Filling that hole should cost something after all! Thanks for the suggestion :)
Another banger bud.
I appreciate it. Thank you :)
Cat Ferret sounds like some weird translation goof. It reminds me of how in Suikoden there's a sentient vampire-slaying blade that's SUPPOSED to be called the Zodiac Sword, but they accidentally translated the two kanji that make up the word "zodiac" separately so it became the Star Dragon Sword instead (which is a cooler name anyway imo). I tried Googling the Japanese word for mongoose but it seems like they just use "mongoose" too, so in the end I'm still confused on what a Cat Ferret is 🤨
I hadn't considered that actually. I was just scrolling through information about Zangoose and yeah. Why "Cat Ferret" instead of "Mongoose"? It's ALL over about the rivalry with Seviper. I love these games, they're amazing. Sometimes I wonder about the choices they made though :P That's super cool about the translation I never knew that. I'm not familiar with kanji at all. I'd be the guy with the wicked ideogram tattoo that actually says "Kick Me". Thanks :)
I actually saw the video thumbnail and tried a zangoose solo run myself, without the egg move double kick, brock is doable with SD at lvl 10 but granted a lot of luck is needed since for my run, i got 2 crits for quick attack on onix for 2 hit, if not likely it will be a reset for me. But past Brock, the rest of the game is kinda trival with SD and the moveset of return, brick break and aerial ace for coverage
That about lines up with my prediction without using the egg move. Early SD is so broken. This was a super fun run for me, but it also felt like Zangoose was built to break the game. Thanks :)
At 26:10 thats only +1 boost correct? One SD at the start and Intimidate makes it only 1. I believe i hear you say +3 stab return.
I did use 2 Swords Dances. At least.. In the second attempt? Hold.... Yep! Just checked it. You are correct I misspoke there. I was only at +1 during that attempt. Thanks for pointing it out! I'll release a video without any errors eventually :)
Wow was not expecting Zangoose to preform so well but it was awesome to see one of my favorite normal types do so well in the Kanto region! Great vid as always! Also surprised to see you play through SoulSilver instead of HeartGold, not because HG seems to be more popular but because it seems like it would be faster since you have to fight Ho-oh or Lugia to get to the league and getting to Ho-oh seems like it would be faster since it's in the same town as the Kimono Girls and you wouldn't need to use whirlpool (and flash) to get through the Whirl Islands compared to Bell Tower which yeah is 9 floors but feels like it would faster to get through. I guess in the long run it doesn't matter since it would be how fast you would get through SoulSilver not how fast you would get through Gen 4 Johto and Kanto.
What you've told me about HG vs SS officially has me debating my choices. I chose SS simply because I like the artwork and colour scheme more :P 9 levels of tower vs needing another Pokémon potentially for HMs. Herm. Hey, that's what the series is all about after all. Learning and making mistakes now so I can jump into solo runs in the future. We'll see how long it takes (if I ever make it there in the run). Thanks :)
no problem, SoulSilver is my preferred choice as well but I never look forward to heading to the Whirl Islands since I have to teach whirlpool to get in, then head to blackthorn to delete it and then head to the Elite Four. Also I wanna say you more or less find the same items in both areas like Rare Candies and PP items but again it's easier to get them in Bell Tower since you would have to go through every entrance of the Whirl Islands to get all of them....granted you use Meowths as pick up cheerleaders and Meowth is SoulSilver only but you can get Aipom earlier with headbutt in both versions@@Eggsceptional
@@lumineinfinitussilverkagat8094 Hmm definitely something to consider. I feel like with that Red battle looming in the distance too that I'll want the options for as many Rare Candies as I can. At least the move Deleter is somewhat accessible in the pre-league part of the game. I have so much to learn about that game. It's so different from Crystal that I played until FR came out.
oh there's one thing you should now about the area you fight Red in, there's always hail on most days of the year but on a certain day(or more I think) the hail turns to diamond dust so the hail effect doesn't start at the beginning of the battle, idk if you want to mess with the date and time in your runs but no hail means 3 of his Pokemon don't have 100% accuracy with blizzard. Again it might seem cheap to do and it's not a foolproof insta win on him given his levels and other moves his team has( to me Blastoise, Charizard, and Lapras are the worst to deal with their move coverage but Snorlax and Venusaur are so bulky and hit just as hard) @@Eggsceptional
@@lumineinfinitussilverkagat8094 That's actually really good to know. I'm not against altering the date/time in order to make my life easier. It's not like if I want the Twisted Spoon I'm going to put a run on pause until Tuesday. That just isn't practical. There's a Lapras!? I thought it was Pika, Kanto Starters, Snorlax, Espeon. I have many, many things left to learn. Apologies for the delayed response. I needed a short break :)
Small correction at 26:10 you were not at +3 but +1. Against the Aerodactl you didn't set up a second Sword's Dance on the Full Restore turn but instead just went for Brick Break. So it wasn't the range that allowed you to take out the Dragonite in the second attempt at lance but the +3 set up.
Yes, you are correct. I verified it and I did make the mistake of saying I was at +3 instead of +1 in the first battle. I will release a video at some point that's error free :) Thanks for keeping my honest.
I remember trading with a friend my seviper for a zangoose lv 5 because i had sapphire and that meant I could not get it.
After training a couple levels and seeing it learning SD at level 10 i was perplexed on what they were smoking while making Zangoose.
I really like it more than seviper, it's very menacing and hits hard, it's sad Norman doesn't have one in his emerald team instead of a useless belly drum linoone that gets oneshotted after using it.
That's so cool! After playing both in Gen 3 I can say that as far as solo runs are concerned there's no competition. Level 10 SD was so OP.. but also fun :) I really wanted more out of Seviper but without the boosting move that just wasn't in the cards. Norman's Zangoose would have been more threatening than Slaking! Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional I think even without sword dance zangoose would still be faster than seviper or arbok. Normal typing and good speed are very good for solo runs in general
@@mattiamerlo2688 Oh absolutely. Not having to deal with the weakness to Earthquake in the leagues, plus the kitchen sink movepool would have still put it above the snakes. It would have been closer, but I still had a lot of leeway with my Rare Candies :)
With the erratic growth rate, would it make sense to use Rare Candies as soon as you get them? Effectively bridging the slower growth rate until you hit level 50.
I had considered it, even using the first two before taking on Rival 2 in Cerulean. I felt that saving 2 boosts for before Rival 5, and Blaine gave me the edge to simply not worry about it. It is, after all, more beneficial from an overall XP standpoint to use them later. SD more than compensated for the slower early growth. I enjoy the brain ticklers though! Thank you :)
@@Eggsceptional I definitely typed this comment like 2 minutes before you mentioned it and answered my questions. I almost deleted my post but ya know comments are good for the RUclips algorithm.
@@gmanz5 No worries! I appreciate leaving it up. You're right to question me. I make plenty of mistakes - but I'm trying to be better! I think this video was my closest to being error free yet. I was +1 and not +3 against Lance in the first playthrough. Thanks :)
NO I MISSED THE LIVE OF MY BOYYYYY
The good news is that there will (hopefully) always be a next time! Thanks :)
Will you ever do a playthrough/lets play but for beginners. Like through the eyes of a first time player?
I don't have any plans for it, but I've written down the idea as one to explore. It's a weird thing for me to consider that not everyone has played this game because I've been playing it for like 2 decades. I DO plan, at least, on a tutorial for unlocking the Round 2 league. I now have it in my notes for a video that focuses more on the plot of the game than blasting through big sections. Thanks for the suggestion :)
@@Eggsceptional No worries :D I just suggested it because I've seen those kind of play through/tutorials done with other kinds of games but not with pokemon. So I just thought it would be interesting. I'm a noob at pokemon but I still like your videos, takes me alot of googling to understand but still fun to watch.
@@DeadDrunk1 That's fair I do throw a lot of terminology around. Please be patient with me, but I will create something that is almost a "first playthrough" kind of experience? That would be a tough, and fun thing for me since my first playthrough of Kanto in Gen 1 was 25 years ago at this point :)
Tnks For the membership
All thanks go to @Rafe Tritt for that one :) Thanks!
Zangoose is always a must have on any team I run if I'm allowed to.
p.s.
You spelled my last name wrong lol
Aw man! I'll get that fixed. My bad! Zangoose was so much fun to play. As a solo runner that's going to be a tough run to beat. Now.. Let's fix that.. Thanks :)
Edit: Done! Easy fix :)
@@Eggsceptional you're good homie and don't worry about it. I've had much much much worse lol. But as far as runs go, Zangoose is a absolute beast. Imagine a back port to gen 1 run 😬😬
@@banzan0 I'll let the magic of backports rest with creators like Scott's Thoughts :) I have plenty to learn before attempting that. a badge boost glitching Zangoose without needing to complete Round 2? I feel that'd almost be pushing on the theoretical limits of what's possible in that game - barring the Erratic growth rate giving more problems than I can think of right now.
charizard vs kingler would be interesting, both get swords dance by breeding, both have decent speed and attack, one with better attack, the other speed
Hmm that's a matchup that I would not have thought of myself. I'll add it to the list! Thank you :)
Setup sd and sweep with return. This felt very much like watching a gen 2 vid and I don't mean that in a bad way.
This was such a fun run. SD, win. Collect Return. SD, win faster. I'm glad you enjoyed it :) Thanks!
Zangoose is a cool Pokémon. I have to ask though have you seen Smithplays new Pokémon crystal remake by chance? I’ve never been so excited to watch crystal version before.
I have not seen that no! I find a have a hard time watching any content lately. It usually ends up paused because I got an idea for my own :P That sounds amazing though I'll make a note to check it out. Thanks :)
@@Eggsceptional ruclips.net/video/oeJBVY3z_uE/видео.htmlsi=3ly7C841KAmZgnZJ
@@Eggsceptional this game has blown up msssively
@@mattprice302 I believe that Pokémon is one of, if not the most popular err universes? in the world today. Gotta love it :)
So I checked a damage calculator, and it looks like Return would have done 2-3% more. Also, Jolly Return, Shadow Ball, Brick Break and Swords Dance is a pre-set an OU build, speed is life after all.
Thanks for checking into that! I felt the difference would be really small. In a solo run I felt Zangoose had all the speed we needed, instead leaning fully into Atk. That coverage was great, with a sprinkle of Sub strats for consistency? Zangoose was so fun to play.
@@Eggsceptional If I understand Gen 3 right, you probably could have taken a minus to either atk or spd and done well thanks to EVs and badge boosts. Now if we start talking the games that have good IVs and EVs and you have to worry more.
@@135forte Ooooh yeah. Outspeeding that Alakazam in the R2 league was ONLY because he doesn't get any EVs. A 252 SpA/252 Spe Alakazam alone would have changed what level I would have had to come into the battle. I don't feel a lot of solo runs would be possible in R2 with more competitively set up movesets/EVs/held items. I shudder at the thought.
1st, I like my eggs many different ways, hard boiled for hangover mornings, scrambled at lunch and fried at dinner is most common though. poached or eggs Benedict for brunch if I indulge.
2nd. oh my wow I knew it would do well, but I never guessed it would dominate quite as hard as that, goes to show what an early boosting move like SD can do for a run. those resets against Machoke and then Bruno in the 1st run were rough though, but that is the thing with normal types they need fighting moves for the big rocks and steels but can't stand up to fighting either. Zangoose showed this off beautifully, very glass cannon, an Impish nature might of been handy for the added defense, but with a finish time that dethroned the legendaries, who needs it really.
I didn't know you were doing Zangoose as a continuation of the snakes VS and would get an egg move, double kick was very handy in the early game, makes me wonder though, how quick quick could you get through Brock without it, my guess would be level 10, get SD and then boost until normal move did something instead of nothing. I see that Parasect is going ahead for next week, I wish you good luck, you will need it, I still maintain that doing it as part of a VS would be less painful as you would get psybeam for an egg move for dealing with Brock, but I respect your choice of the hard way, at least for the early game. do please let me know if you need any advice or suggestions for it, I have run it before and know what is needed.
good news on the buttafreez, I have finished my usual errands (nugget bridge glitch, catching for early item finder and a meowth army, etc) and have gotten through misty at level 25 and am now using HP ice, handy against the many flying types and eventual grass types. I am having a hard time deciding on what to do about the moveset, HP ice and sleep powder are musts, but what other 2 moves balance that out, I'll figure it out.
speaking of nugget bridge, I never few it as a cheat, it is a legit glitch, like badge boosts in Gen 1, you may find it useful for team runs in fire red as a full team will need a lot, lots of vitamins and TM's and as I said, a good place to train for attack EV's, just knock out the ekans and then let zubat knock you out afterwards, very effective
That was kind of the rough idea for Dec. It's an absurd amount of work though and I really need to figure out my gameplan through the next 2 months. Paras is likely going to be my last super challenging video before it. That's assuming Paras doesn't break me first.
Those are fair points with Gyarados, plus I'm wondering if it would even be worth it to pursue over something as simple as Return. With the exception of hitting Ghosts and coverage I can't see it being of much more benefit than a max friendship Return. I love how many possibilities exist. Having the increased option pool in Gen 4 is already making my head spin while eggsciting me.
Despite how much you love your Poison types I get the feeling that you're a bit of a Fire bug too. Flareon, all the recommendations for HP Fire. But yes, a vote feels the fairest and most fun way. I was in a stream of Scott's after mine and saw him posting live polls in the chat. That's a thing! I really need to explore more content, if nothing else to expand my aggregate of ideas for my own channel. Including Mystic!
There are some nicknames that just fit right? Jynx as Mr. Popo is hilarious. They could easily be siblings. Concerning your laptop - yes I get it. I'm experimenting with keybinds and things like that on my keyboard to help streamline my process with more shortcuts and having a better laid out keyboard/more ergonomic options is going to be huge for me. I don't want to develop carpal tunnel or things that so many gamers experience. I'm with you on mouse and keyboard over touchscreen. I guess we're just old :P
All egg preparations are wonderful. I like the hard boiled hangover eggs. I haven't really drank in years but my go to used to be a scramble but with a LOT of like.. high density potatoes and things like that.
As you know I struggle with Natures on a good day. I had considered going with something to increase Def instead of Atk since we did have all of that SD, but yeah I don't feel it was needed. Even 90% of that kitchen sink of a learnset wasn't used. I used like what? 9 unique moves throughout both entire runs?
As far as Paras(ect) goes yes. I was staring longingly at Psybeam but I just didn't have a VS in me. Now, after running the damn thing I'm wondering if the VS would have been worth it. I'm still thinking not because that R2 league was... ugh. I built by FAR the jankiest move set I have ever used. I still haven't routed the second run yet because honestly I'm stumped. That Champ team is an absolute menace to deal with. You don't outspeed Charizard. EVER. Even with 210 Speed EVs at the end of the run we were nowhere close.
I've found that Ice and Psychic cover each other relatively well for FR. Then since it's mostly special maybe Giga to round things out for some recovery too? Gen 3 gets so few options sometimes it hurts. Come on.. Butterfree can't summon the power of lightning from the clouds?? I think that the Nugget bridge exploit might be something that I showcase at some point but it does feel like an exploit. At least Gen 1s badge boost you can't prevent, whereas the Nugget bridge you actively farm. I did love finding that out though. It's a super nifty trick.
@@Eggsceptional I'm inclined to say do all 4 runs of each Pokemon (2 for the solo and 2 for the VS) back to back, the more you play them, the easier they get, in theory this should streamline recording all 36 runs, 2 months is not long to do that though and Parasect will set you back a bit, it definitely knocked a few years off of me when I tried it.
ah yes return, I always overlook return, for a powerful normal move, I often go double edge, but that option is rarer in Gen 4, but Gen 4 gave us something new to play with, Giga Impact, as hyper beam is now special, giga impact is the new physical version, good in a pinch, the recharge is a concern, but as you've experienced many times now Gyarados is quite tanky, it can take a hit if needed for the recharge turn.
I am a little bias yes. Flareon is a favorite, he is the underdog of the Eevee's but I see much potential in it. everyone looks at the stats and movepool and things nah, the others are better or there are better fire types. I see the perfect user of curse and recipient of baton pass eevee teams. the HP fire is different, I like it because it works well with what most bugs get; sunny day and solarbeam and covers the big wall that is the steel type. I need to explore HP water more before I can say it is the best for me to be using though of course.
old is an understatement, I am old school in many ways, my phones for example still has buttons and no touch screen. despite that, I do believe in having the equipment right for the job at hand, I think it is safe to say you have what you need now and it seems to be working for you. and as for the eggs, can't beat scrambled on top of some heavily buttered toast, so simple and so delicious especially when you are unwell.
it is not often natures are pivotal in a solo unless what you are running is particularly bad, Parasect for example. most Pokemon are kind of defined before a run by the stats, Zangoose didn't need speed or attack it had both and could boost, so defense should been the thing to focus on as you saw with the fighting types and bruno. look at Steelix for example, when you catch it as an onix you know its defense is massive and when it evolved its attack will be very good, but the rest of the stats are going to be awful so a nature to balance that like careful for Special Defense or Jolly for Speed is the better options to look at.
ah yes the champions Charizard, I run the numbers long ago, it will never out speed and pretty much always 1 shot with fire moves, your only hope is quick claw, spore and luck, thats its. well I say thats it, there is one option, Skill Swap. you use it on Executor for its ability to boost speed in the sun and then set up sunny day, I don't remember if it lasts after the target of skill swap faints but it might be the only other way. failing that, you could stall with rain dance so you survive a hit and then try a combo of growth and HP water. I know what you're thinking, all these sound good, but its a matter of testing.
there is niche option for Butterfree, shadow ball, I knows its physical, but its strong and its coverage. my current moveset on it is silver wind, psybeam, sleep powder and HP ice and I see that being the set until the league. giga drain will replace HP for a while as I can team it again later and psychic will be the upgrade of psybeam. maybe dream eater and solarbeam for parts of R2. and I'll save the thunder and lightning summoning for sparkafree.
give nugget bridge some thought for your team runs, it will only work to a point with solos as they will get too strong for zubat to or even ekans to knockout
@@jptheflipper3825 I'm half tempted to backburner Paras for quite a while. That thing is stupid in Round 2. Like, genuinely stupid. It felt like I was using every trick in the book to still not have a very high chance of success. I'm not sure that Paras is the health choice right now :P But I will get back to it!
The tankiness of Gyarados has caught me off guard a few times. I mean, never when I have an Electric move of course, but when I'm relying on neutral moves, or even Rock moves he's quite the task to bring down depending on what I'm running. Soon, that power will be mine!
The concept of Flareon with HP Water broke my brain a little. Granted, in FR/LG especially Flareon falls off and so much of it has to do with the fact that the game isn't kind to a few typings - particularly defensively. Especially in R2 as we've seen time and again. For a team build though I would love to play with them all. Maybe I should just have some fun and make an Eevee team challenge. Start with all 5 in Gen 3 and roll.
The simplest recipes are often the ones that taste the best. Did you know Teriyaki sauce is only 3 ingredients? I spent years rejecting store bought ones because I didn't like the flavour, then found that out, and haven't bought a teriyaki sauce since. Knowledge is power! And equipment of course.. but knowledge above all. I miss buttons on my phone... I was a T9 ace! For the whole 2 years that was a relevant skill.
Hmm.. I have considered Natures that boost stats like Def, but in a solo run I'm always so biased towards offense. Especially when I have a boosting move I really should be focusing more on theory crafting. Another creator has offered to help me get some GameHook components working for me so that's going to be invaluable in making better decisions I feel.
The only problem with trying to steal Skill Swap from Exeggcutor is that the Champ always sends in Charizard long before Exegg. I tried Quick Claw. After 10 resets with no proc, and no Fire Blast miss, I went with Substitute. At least then I'm guaranteed to survive the Charizard. I'm excited to show it.. but I do NOT want to route the second playthrough. Not at the moment anyway.
Fair play on saving more moves for the other 'Frees. I hadn't really considered Shadow Ball, but if you're leaning in with Silverwind a little as well I could see it being quite useful. There are so many options to these things it's a little overwhelming at times.
I hadn't considered that with the Nugget bridge exploit. Eventually you will be too strong to knock out - unless you have like False Swipe or Growl or something to waste a lot of time. By the time Zubat can't knock you out with that tactic you'd be max money. And 4 hours into the run at Nugget bridge :P
@@Eggsceptional I don't blame you, Parasect is so bad in the R2, even with ideal stats and moveset (I don't think either exists of course) it can never out speed its biggest threats. I also don't think Arcainine is a better one to face either as it can also out speed and KO. and yeah I have noticed that, the AI will send out the best opponents for the Pokemon currently in play, it is literally Pidgeot and then Charizard, a nasty combo. and again I forget about Substitute, I never use it the same way most solo runs don't use double team. taking a break is the best option for a while, its not healthy to be staring at that dead eyed zombie bug mushroom for any length of time and it is appropriate, it is a RUclips tradition started by Scott to promise Parasect and then have us wait, I am sure he approves.
electric moves are the standard for taking out Gyarados now and always, despite it having a better special defense, that 4x weakness to electric is always its downfall, I have felled the champions with a Pikachu in the past just to show off. its intimidate ability saves it from any a KO from rock and other powerful neutral moves, but from 4, there is an answer to that, special rock types, ancient power and power gem are your options and the only special attacking rock type to get either of those is Omastar, although slowking with power gem is next best, you will get to try that yourself soon I am sure
I did not know that about Teriyaki, I'll have to look into that, I like my Asian food and could make use of it very often. I never played that one, I use a Nokia so its Snake for me, I do miss having the Crazy Frog for my ringtone though, couldn't get it for this one LOL.
to be fair with nature I only focus on it if I really need to for a run of any kind. my fighting run for example absolutely required Hitmonchan to have a + special attack nature to help it along. my Buttafreez right now is a neutral hardy nature as the IV's were good, when you start more weaker unevolved Pokemon it will start coming into play more because you will need a good nature and IV's plus EV's to make up for the lower base stats. Light ball Pikachi and Thick club Cubone come to mind for that. it is good you are working more and more on game hook and getting some help it will make a difference for your routing and planning in runs.
Flareon did suffer in Gen 3 and 4 and most Gens, but 3 especially. the stats are one thing, it has low speed, defense and HP and its fire type so rock and ground basically KO it every time and then there is the moveset, its a physical attacker with few good physical moves and its STAB goes off its weaker attacking stat. that is a rough combo and yet I will still run one with a speedy nature and a mixed set of dig, shadow ball, flamethrower and either sunny day or body slam and have it as my go to fire type. Gen 4 was crawl to it though and you'll witness this in SS, it got one STAB physical fire move and instead of the awesome flare Blitz, it got fire fang and it lost shadow ball as a physical move. it got it rough, but I still love it, if you run it in fire red, you want curse as an egg move and HP rock and I will stand by that advise, you'll like it in a team, I'd love to see a fire red full eevee team, it would dominate
good news, Buttafreez is through the R1 league, it got a few resets on Lance because of Gyarados and dragonite and on the champion, not because of fire or flying moves, but rock tomb from rhydon KO's because HP ice doesn't KO. I can confirm also that a stronger HP Ice (as mine is about 50 in power) will KO dragonite and do good damage against neutral targets, but I switched for giga drain until Agatha as it wasn't need until then, I should be at R2 by tomorrow and finished by the weekend. I'll let you know how rough the R2 is after.
that zubat is quite awful as it can't do much and since its only moves are leech life, astonish and supersonic, a flying type will pretty much never lose to it, time waster moves are handy, but avoid growl, zubat is weak enough already. only 4 hours, I spent a whole weekend there once, I knew I was going to get all the game corner TM's and Porygon for style points and needed the cash.
@@jptheflipper3825 I agree, and I think you're right. Just like so many creators before me I'm going to promise a Paras video then delay it. Hopefully not for too long! I just don't have it in me to route that second run right now. Thank you, some rest has been MUCH needed. I wouldn't say I'm 100%, but I'm feeling infinitely better.
That's right! Again, special Rock moves what? I have a lot to get used to in the new generation, but not being beholden to every damn intimidate in the game when I want to use a Rock move is going to be such a nice shift. I wonder what the theoretically "weakest" possible Pokémon/move combo that would take out the Champ's Gyarados. Like Pichu with Thundershock at level "X".
It blew my mind! So simple! Oh man.. the crazy frog. I still have the pirate virus song from season 1 of Archer as my ringtone. It confuses people and I love it.
That's a big reason why I enjoy letting my Pokémon evolve. I prefer challenges that challenge my brain, not my patience. Oh absolutely! Even the little things like Repel step counters, friendship values, and he mentioned making a dynamically counting damage calculator so that I can see exactly what my ranges are and when, live in combat. THAT part is almost going to feel like cheating, but I'm hoping it'll help hone my instincts a little.
I've been thinking more and more about best to do some team challenges moving forward. I feel like an "Eevee breeder" challenge would work nicely. Since they're SO diverse in their capabilities alone, plus have a lot of moves that synergize well into a team like Baton Pass and some set up. It'll be a ton of fun I think, despite me also being worried about changing formats and getting super stuck. I'll be fine :P
HP Ice does cover most of the problems that I feel Butterfree would have in R2. That's not to say all of them. What is your current moveset? HP Ice, Giga, Psychic, Sleep? I'll be interested to know how it goes, but then of course how it compares to the other Butterfrees. Also yes... having my HP set at 70 power every time is super nice.
Fair enough! I guess you can max out your cash AND Nuggets if you grind against it hard enough. Instant Porygon by Celadon City just sounds like a swag move to me :P
they sell tm 31 in the Celadon dept store, just in case you wanna make it replaceable
Yes! That was a lesson hard learned way back in my Poliwrath VS Politoed video. I always forget about the Department store with Brick Break, Dig, even Attract I've used once. Thank you for the tip :)
We should have names Zangoose Inyuasha 😂😂😂
Well that was a missed opportunity! Oh well, it still fit with the snakes :)
i wont say hi...
but...
i like scrambled eggs with a little bit of milk and bacon-bits in it
Simple! Vibrant! Fresh! That sounds so delicious right now.
Shark!
420 blaze it
Gotta call it like I see it!
I'll try to make the streamm tomorrow
Sorry to say, there won't be a stream this week. I had a bit of an incident in real life (very minor overall) but it made me realize that I've been gripping on to things a little too tightly. I'm taking a week to refresh, refocus, and then jump back into things :) Thank you!
Rikki is the best!
Rikki's dance added style points!
Easy 3 way vs, you can do is the 3 hitmo's
Absolutely! It's been on the list for quite some time. Now with one more vote :) Please be patient with me. These videos take a lot to produce and it's just little ol' me here :) Thanks for the suggestion!
Guten Tag. Wie geht es dir Herr eegceptional?
Ok so I'm not using Google translate here I'm remember my intro to German lesson from almost 20 years ago. Guten abend! Ich bin Eggsceptional. Apfelkuchen.
:)
@@Eggsceptional Apfelkuchen im der Fall ist sehr gut
Edit: I screwed on fall it's supposed to be Herbst
@@bazior36 Sehr gut!!! We've completely hit the wall of my German. I found out "shark" is "hai" recently! That was cool. Ask my again in French! You can't eggspect much, but definitely more than German.
Today is actually the 13th, not the 16th 🤦♂️
What is time anymore? I think I may have finally lost it.
Next run is paras/parasect
Who told you? :)
@@Eggsceptional cuz I watched till the end ;)
@@adventureoflinkmk2 Of course :) Thank you as always.
@@Eggsceptional you're welcome :)
I MADE IT ONTO A RUclips VID IM SO FAMOUS
Can I have your autograph?
I think linoone may beat zangoose
I just did a quick look at Linoone and I'm not sure about it. Belly Drum is wild but it doesn't learn it until 53 whereas Zangoose had SD at level 10. I will be playing it eventually so that's a question that we can answer for sure another time :) Thanks!
@@Eggsceptional yup! It will be interesting to see nonetheless ^.^