Not possible the korean playoff bracket doesn't have different sides. They are about the same as the gauntlet for seed 3 for worlds in the west. The lowest team to reach playoffs plays the second lowest, the winner plays the third lowest and so on until you reach the first seed of regular season in the finals. Meaning skt was already waiting for them in the finals.
their mentality in korea is different to. They want to play stronger and better teams. Even if they lose, they can keep trying. Its why they have the highest over all skill in every elo.
@@yummychips_ Korean solo queue has the most defeatist mentality lol. They open the most by far. You cant really bridge solo queue and pro play with 'mentality'
Rookie brought down to bench after "playing too good" in game 1 and replaced by Save (who mains top), but IG didn't know Save was an even worse actor than Rookie.
Any team in 2015 LPL would need tons of preparation if they are to beat EDG, so it's quite understandable that LGD tried to do it the long way around. If they meet EDG in the first round of playoff, their fate will be no different from IG.
Great video, but just one thing, neither team in the England vs Belgium team tried to lose, they just weren't bothered about winning because it was a meaningless game to get 3rd place in the world cup
They meant the duel in the group stage.. 1st place would get in the bracket with all the strong nations and 2nd place would get in the bracket where croatia would be strongest.. Neither of them wanted 1st place as 2nd place would mean easy road to the final.. Easy if you aren’t as awful as England..
@@Kelvin-nt1jc Not gonna lie, completely forgot about that game, my bad. If only Kane squared it to Sterling in the first half we would have won the Croatia game and gone to the final, still haven't forgiven him tbh
They were talking about the group stage bc the winner would have the bracket that could potentially and eventually got france and brazil and other powrrhouse teams and since belguim won the match, they faced france in the semis and lost.
living in uk , i can say i was very happy for them not getting to the finals :)) was like a week of total silence after :)) cocky bastards , jinxed too much :)))
@@Reduletzuu You do know it's coming home is just one big joke. As soon as we actually believed we might actually win was when we finally lost in the semi, most of us were just happy to make it out the groups let alone win two knock out games
i still remember the finals, but didnt know that oscar night actually happened, damn those finals were insane, 2-2 and defts decides to pop off as sivir and do a penta at baron pit that decides the game, i loved GODV back then, and felt bad for him losing almost 1vs5, but damn, oscar night was a messy typical NA game
The main reason this happened is that the LPL was using the NBA playoff format, where all 8 teams starts at the same point, unlike nowadays, you get advantage bracket-wise if you rank higher.
@@jagosvujovic2086 LPL is Chinese. Garena is Taiwanese and has nothing to do with Tencent or China, Balkanian people should refrain from commenting "uzmi kramp i njivu ori umjesto sto pricas potpune gluposti" as they would say!
I wouldn't call this a clown fiesta. They did it on purpose while a real clown fiesta happens when the teams are playing bad without trying to play bad.
@@malcolmhoppe3577 1st: Irony. Then: You can't imagine how happy I am, that Imp plays relevent League of Legends again. I didnt think it would ever happen again.
Throwing for placements or money, should be actually be a Def loss for those teams, even when the team makes it... There are 3. Pslce teams trying there hardest, showing the world community that u as a team be in charge of when and whom u want to play... Def lose
We (from the LPL) don't talk about 2015 The irony of it all is that EDG actually lost in the end (summer), and the LGD memes began, jeez, I don't even wanna remember this shit
Thought this sounded the same as England, glad to see them called out. Hopefully tournament organisers do more to eliminate this bracket abuse to stop this from happening (like Worlds groups to knockout format) Cowards
I mean they both lost 3-0 to EDG so they were not wrong. Why would you intentionally get knocked out early when you can make it to the finals? That'll get them better players in new seasons, better sponsors etc. because it looks good on paper, making it easier to win in the next years.
idk about you but the legend tells that there was a team known as Mineski that played in worlds and didnt win a single game from anyone. This series isnt as bad as the folk tale.
That's because wildcard teams were expected to go winless at worlds. Winning even a single game was an overwhelming upset. That's no longer the case today, especially since ANX's quarters appearance, but that was the norm pre-S6.
So basically lgd and ig tried to lose because they dont want to face edg in the play off? Do they use single elimination bracket? Because in double elimination/winner-loser bracket, yoi can get another chance at the play off on the play off. So it's not necessary to dodge edg
Due to the size of the LPL teams were seeded into two separate playoff brackets. The brackets were determined by regular season performance. However, the teams were just in one large pool for the regular season, as the LPL only had 16 teams back then. The problem was that you actually ended up with the better teams all on the same side; this error was promptly fixed the next split. However, Tencent's negligence did result in this hilarious fiesta. Note: This is no longer a problem as the LPL expansion to 20 teams means teams are pooled separately even in the regular season.
Doing this in dota gets you permanently banned from valve events. First time some player threw game he got banned for year or two(something like that forgot now). Then Valve made sure everyone know that future throwing will result in permanent ban. iBuyPower from CSGO experienced this. Esports became serious thing you could potential look at prison sentence for fixing matches.
Marko Lomovic completely different circumstances and intentions. The Dota 2 and CSGO professionals were permanently banned because they threw their games after placing bets against themselves. iG and LGD were sandbagging because they wanted to get an easier bracket path in the playoffs.
Street Guru as response to the original comment, yes this event has somewhat happened before, but with a different context. The best example I could think of is Na’Vi with nothing to play for in the Dota Asia Championships in 2015. Already guaranteed to progress from the wildcard qualifiers, they went for a clown draft against Wings, picking a Pudge-Tiny-Techies. It wasn’t sandbagging for position, it wasn’t throwing for money, it was clowning with nothing to play for. And generally, position means everything in Dota groups. For example, in The International, top seed of the group gets to pick their opponent from the 3rd/4th from the other group. If you sandbag, you might end up 5th, and in the lower bracket. So there’s little to no reason to lose on purpose.
there have been times neither team has cared if they won or lost (like in qualifiers, if both teams are qualified and there is random seeding) but never has one tried to lose intentional besides for match rigging (getting paid to lose by betters or betting against your own team to make money if you lose)
It's definitely less likely to happen in dota 2 as well due to the fact that most major tournaments are double elimination rather than the single elimination that league likes to use. That means that even if you get a bad opponent matchup after group stage seeding, you can always fall back into the lower bracket and work your way through the tournament from there.
This guy, the one narrating always in every video starts with his hands swinging to the sides and then to the front liek he is doing some fuckin PT drill.
Have you seen TSM vs CLG recently?? It's much worst because it looked like they were throwing the game, especially CLG since they threw a 9k gold lead against TSM..TSM, who already looked lost (and I'm not just talking about their ADC)
Nah everybody knew the LPL consisted of non-stop fights and aggression. LPL teams significantly changed, however, after Season 5 worlds, when China's representatives all under-performed. They were poorly prepared, macro was weak, and their individual stars (GodV especially) all came up small. China's map play and macro really started to improve in season 6. Yes, Chinese teams will always play with super aggressiveness, but they no longer have the kinds of clown fiestas from the season 3-5 days.
GodV (After not dying to Karthus ult and started baming the table): WHY THE FK DID I BUILD HEXDRINKER!
Riot could have just said whoever wins doesnt face EDG. I mean, they knew they were throwing and they do make the rules.
The way it was set up then the top seeds had to face the "Best teams" They fixed it for the Summer Split that year
It wasn't Riot's format.
Lpl isnt organized by riot, and after making a format official u cant just change it
Fun fact, the mid laner for lgd is right now a PUBG pro player for 4AM
very true.
wait wtf
and the ex head coach of SKT is now head coach for SKT’s pubg team :3
Crîmson poohmandu?
When you have godlike genes.
Who else rewatched right after the premiere?
Makes you wonder if other Korean teams tried to dodge SKT back in the day
Not possible the korean playoff bracket doesn't have different sides. They are about the same as the gauntlet for seed 3 for worlds in the west. The lowest team to reach playoffs plays the second lowest, the winner plays the third lowest and so on until you reach the first seed of regular season in the finals. Meaning skt was already waiting for them in the finals.
You don't try to dodge cause you know skt already wait for you in the Final. Also, you have to face them if you want to win Worlds 2015.
their mentality in korea is different to. They want to play stronger and better teams. Even if they lose, they can keep trying. Its why they have the highest over all skill in every elo.
@@yummychips_ Korean solo queue has the most defeatist mentality lol. They open the most by far. You cant really bridge solo queue and pro play with 'mentality'
We just gonna forget when Curse and Dignitas ARAMed in the GRAND FINAL of a tournament?
They still do that nowadays in the lcs
@@frederikvilms1281 ouch
Last time i was so early trick2g had a good hairline
Wait when does he ever have a good hairline?
@@Shanshan12988 exactly
The classic 40min silver clusterfuck and 1 teamfight that ends it all
That's where i am at now as a main support... I think i need to main velkoz or brand again for bot
BjornoISporno maybe play role that requires skill instead
@zieg quantom it doesn't. support igonores so many fundamentals that the game is basically on easy mode
Calling this the biggest clown fiesta in League of Legends history ignores the fact that NA LCS exists.
That RNG vs DIG game was worse and they weren't even throwing.
Rookie brought down to bench after "playing too good" in game 1 and replaced by Save (who mains top), but IG didn't know Save was an even worse actor than Rookie.
Hahaha
Me and the other 9 players in my ranked solo queue game : went oscar night
Riot : Wait, that's illegal
LGD was one baron away from beating EDG. Give them some credit.
What a click bait title. This was one of the most beautiful things I have seen in e-sports.
1:01 THAT SIGN XDDDDDD
Any team in 2015 LPL would need tons of preparation if they are to beat EDG, so it's quite understandable that LGD tried to do it the long way around. If they meet EDG in the first round of playoff, their fate will be no different from IG.
Great video, but just one thing, neither team in the England vs Belgium team tried to lose, they just weren't bothered about winning because it was a meaningless game to get 3rd place in the world cup
They meant the duel in the group stage.. 1st place would get in the bracket with all the strong nations and 2nd place would get in the bracket where croatia would be strongest.. Neither of them wanted 1st place as 2nd place would mean easy road to the final.. Easy if you aren’t as awful as England..
@@Kelvin-nt1jc Not gonna lie, completely forgot about that game, my bad. If only Kane squared it to Sterling in the first half we would have won the Croatia game and gone to the final, still haven't forgiven him tbh
They were talking about the group stage bc the winner would have the bracket that could potentially and eventually got france and brazil and other powrrhouse teams and since belguim won the match, they faced france in the semis and lost.
living in uk , i can say i was very happy for them not getting to the finals :)) was like a week of total silence after :)) cocky bastards , jinxed too much :)))
@@Reduletzuu You do know it's coming home is just one big joke. As soon as we actually believed we might actually win was when we finally lost in the semi, most of us were just happy to make it out the groups let alone win two knock out games
Im 99.9% sure that pause mentioned something about being fined, and well money talks.
i still remember the finals, but didnt know that oscar night actually happened, damn those finals were insane, 2-2 and defts decides to pop off as sivir and do a penta at baron pit that decides the game, i loved GODV back then, and felt bad for him losing almost 1vs5, but damn, oscar night was a messy typical NA game
The main reason this happened is that the LPL was using the NBA playoff format, where all 8 teams starts at the same point, unlike nowadays, you get advantage bracket-wise if you rank higher.
Normal game: Has vision to prevent ganks and secure kills
Their game: Has vision to get ganked and secure the other teams kills
Damn Rookie really lost weight !
I think it would be really cool to see a video on Ambition
They missed the best timing imo, should have made one when Ambition had just retired.
*The only time*
The Pause Challenge did a good thing
I blame Riot for having a garbage bracket
LPL is not organized and owned by riot its owned by garena
@@jagosvujovic2086 LPL is Chinese. Garena is Taiwanese and has nothing to do with Tencent or China, Balkanian people should refrain from commenting "uzmi kramp i njivu ori umjesto sto pricas potpune gluposti" as they would say!
I wouldn't call this a clown fiesta.
They did it on purpose while a real clown fiesta happens when the teams are playing bad without trying to play bad.
Excelente video, los comentarios son muy objetivos y las tematicas interesantes porque te ponen en contexto de como era la escena en su momento.
I kind of want to watch the series now ngl
I don't play League and even I can see how hard both teams were throwing.
should just play lose knockout. but, double brackets league profits the sponsor.
I never know whats going on in the game i just like the story.
This just shows how insanely dominant EDG was that year until worlds :(
They got 3-0 vs Fnatic in quarters, right?
This was probably the last time Imp ever even tried to win...
So you dont watch lpl these days?
@@malcolmhoppe3577 1st: Irony. Then: You can't imagine how happy I am, that Imp plays relevent League of Legends again. I didnt think it would ever happen again.
Story of admiralbulldog please
Why can't I like your comment twice. I fucking want that!
Worst part is that Renegades vs Dignitas in the NALCS came close to this. At least here the rift didn't get 4 executes on pro players.
i thought the clownest thing that ever happen is when yasuo gets released.
I thought was from 2015 since It looks like the nostalgic thumbnails before XD
IG vs LGD 2015 is the worst game ever
TSM vs CLG 2021: let us introduce ourselves
2021 Fly vs eg was worse , 50 minute clown fiesta , nexus dive throw
LMFAOO The sign at 1:00
lmao maybe this is what silver smurfs look like
Anyone notice the Eve build?
ngl this mustve been such a massive ego boost for EDG
Throwing for placements or money, should be actually be a Def loss for those teams, even when the team makes it... There are 3. Pslce teams trying there hardest, showing the world community that u as a team be in charge of when and whom u want to play... Def lose
Who came back to watch this before EDG vs FPX 2021
Female russian team is a fiesta but rito dumb penalties just make it more fiesta then this series
We (from the LPL) don't talk about 2015
The irony of it all is that EDG actually lost in the end (summer), and the LGD memes began, jeez, I don't even wanna remember this shit
Thought this sounded the same as England, glad to see them called out. Hopefully tournament organisers do more to eliminate this bracket abuse to stop this from happening (like Worlds groups to knockout format)
Cowards
England and Belgium put out their B team. They both rested players and preferred to lose.
I mean they both lost 3-0 to EDG so they were not wrong. Why would you intentionally get knocked out early when you can make it to the finals? That'll get them better players in new seasons, better sponsors etc. because it looks good on paper, making it easier to win in the next years.
i guess they where told.. play properly or nobody will play
Be so freakin good that other teams are willing to throw games just not to face you. lol.
Kabum vs Supermassive
idk about you but the legend tells that there was a team known as Mineski that played in worlds and didnt win a single game from anyone. This series isnt as bad as the folk tale.
That's because wildcard teams were expected to go winless at worlds. Winning even a single game was an overwhelming upset. That's no longer the case today, especially since ANX's quarters appearance, but that was the norm pre-S6.
Yeah, we never expected them to win in the first place since they got their by default.
I remember Mineski's shameful game at Rift Rivals 2016.
Really? Warwick top, Nunu support and Kennen ADC? Atleast ANX did something good but damn.
Pathetic, these guys were defeated before even trying to beat the other team.
Thing is in traditional sports there is a clock. So at some point you just, run our of time.
Not in basketball or baseball. Someone actually has to win.
now IG looking stronger than ever no throwing from their side anymore
So basically lgd and ig tried to lose because they dont want to face edg in the play off? Do they use single elimination bracket? Because in double elimination/winner-loser bracket, yoi can get another chance at the play off on the play off. So it's not necessary to dodge edg
Jundi Shalahuddin It was a different format back then. It was around 4 years ago.
Booth teams should have gotten a DC in my opinion.. Same happen last world's when a China team that was fully under tendence sponsoring did the same
didn’t EDG come into worlds as 2nd seed? They were in the same bracket as SKT and they were LCK’s first seed
this game was spring season. i am not entirely sure but i think lgd beat edg in 5 game series in summer finals.
Azer they did
Why not the team that can all type /surrender at 15 min loses
so EDG wasn't 1st seed? I can't see how this would work otherwise.
Due to the size of the LPL teams were seeded into two separate playoff brackets. The brackets were determined by regular season performance. However, the teams were just in one large pool for the regular season, as the LPL only had 16 teams back then.
The problem was that you actually ended up with the better teams all on the same side; this error was promptly fixed the next split. However, Tencent's negligence did result in this hilarious fiesta.
Note: This is no longer a problem as the LPL expansion to 20 teams means teams are pooled separately even in the regular season.
How about the rise and fall of Toronto Esports (overwatch)
someone did a series on it already i think
Next time they should just settle this in a nemesis draft game :p
Very cowardly of both teams to want to lose, absoluely unprofessional.
30 mins game and still 10 kills in total?
And LGD 3:0 EDG in the next round. I still remember how EDG choked. LOL.
this is why you do a double bracket.
Why? So that they can face EDG in 2 BO5s? Yea no thanks
Guys u have to give credit to that hecarim. Try hard all game build normal great macro and throw it all away with one final TF.
Biggods x opk on Br was way worse
Eh I've been in worse games, those bronze days
1:01 wtf
Saw the og talon
The feels
After game 1 i would have threatened both teams to be permanently banned from the scene if they werent taking it seriously
Has such an event happened in dota 2? Seems like with so many more options for play anyone can beat anyone given the right circumstances.
Doing this in dota gets you permanently banned from valve events. First time some player threw game he got banned for year or two(something like that forgot now). Then Valve made sure everyone know that future throwing will result in permanent ban. iBuyPower from CSGO experienced this.
Esports became serious thing you could potential look at prison sentence for fixing matches.
Marko Lomovic completely different circumstances and intentions.
The Dota 2 and CSGO professionals were permanently banned because they threw their games after placing bets against themselves.
iG and LGD were sandbagging because they wanted to get an easier bracket path in the playoffs.
Street Guru as response to the original comment, yes this event has somewhat happened before, but with a different context.
The best example I could think of is Na’Vi with nothing to play for in the Dota Asia Championships in 2015. Already guaranteed to progress from the wildcard qualifiers, they went for a clown draft against Wings, picking a Pudge-Tiny-Techies. It wasn’t sandbagging for position, it wasn’t throwing for money, it was clowning with nothing to play for.
And generally, position means everything in Dota groups. For example, in The International, top seed of the group gets to pick their opponent from the 3rd/4th from the other group. If you sandbag, you might end up 5th, and in the lower bracket. So there’s little to no reason to lose on purpose.
there have been times neither team has cared if they won or lost (like in qualifiers, if both teams are qualified and there is random seeding) but never has one tried to lose intentional besides for match rigging (getting paid to lose by betters or betting against your own team to make money if you lose)
It's definitely less likely to happen in dota 2 as well due to the fact that most major tournaments are double elimination rather than the single elimination that league likes to use. That means that even if you get a bad opponent matchup after group stage seeding, you can always fall back into the lower bracket and work your way through the tournament from there.
This is why csgo doesn't do double bracket
Why they don't use surrender button?
because it's too obvious
Yet EDG n' LDG never won Worlds, but IG did
Gamber63 but members except rookie are all different
Staff,Coach and the players are different
This guy, the one narrating always in every video starts with his hands swinging to the sides and then to the front liek he is doing some fuckin PT drill.
I still have nightmares of staying up all night just watching the 3 games series SKT vs JAG. Nothing can compare to that disaster.
Also belgium never tried to lose vs england
seems like a normal NA lcs game to me
Bruh the only thing I am good at is throwing.
Wait, so they both tried to lose because they didn't wanna deal with a steamroll?
Have you seen TSM vs CLG recently?? It's much worst because it looked like they were throwing the game, especially CLG since they threw a 9k gold lead against TSM..TSM, who already looked lost (and I'm not just talking about their ADC)
@@years-ti7xl i still don't completely understand
What a fiesta
Its not EDG's fault that there good
23 dislikes are from Rito
For attempting to throw, they should be disqualified, like the debacle in the badminton Olympics event.
Vaevitci games in russia are also pretty "entertaing"
And everyone thought NA had worst games. Nevermind, I guess.
Nah everybody knew the LPL consisted of non-stop fights and aggression. LPL teams significantly changed, however, after Season 5 worlds, when China's representatives all under-performed. They were poorly prepared, macro was weak, and their individual stars (GodV especially) all came up small.
China's map play and macro really started to improve in season 6. Yes, Chinese teams will always play with super aggressiveness, but they no longer have the kinds of clown fiestas from the season 3-5 days.
cool format riot. you really got this figured out.
You forgot about T-Series
Best* league series
Nothing can beat NA and EU fiesta.
Roccat vs Origen or Renegades vs Dignitas?
Peenalized
This is why i love league
God V or gold V
The GoldV meme didn't come out until worlds, when China as a whole completely under-performed, LGD especially with them failing to make out of groups.
WHERES MY FUCKING COMMENT
..... faker cried when he lost no cool man
dawg iron your shirt
it's a zombie game it never die but it can't be alive again and it's always looking for fresh brains to eat them (make ppl salty)
worst series is T-series
good job guys make me remenber dat game ，was funny af，奥斯卡之夜 XD
Gottem
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