We used to do this to the A-10's all the time. The gun gas would get into the engines and coat the compressor blades, which would reduce the available engine power. When it fell to 95% the engines would get washed out.
@@_monti142 i’m sure he means the carbon and other chemicals released from the propellant of the Gatling gun when fired. Smoke goes back into engines and coats the compressor in carbon, thus reducing efficiency anddd engine power.
keep in mind also that tiny dust particles of silica can melt and fuse to the blades, causing inefficiency. A jet flying thru volcanic dust in Indonesia had an engine internally coated with melted silica, that stole a lot of the power of the engine. Fortunately the engine wasn't damaged enough to fail in flight. This is why when that volcano erupted in Iceland all the airliners stayed away from that air laden with volcanic dust. It melts and the spinning coats it with a glass like substance, similar to the way a cotton candy machine works.
Normal day in the life of a helicopter pilot too. Bleed valves blocked, igniters off, introduce soap, spool to 10/12% N1, rinse is same procedure with distilled water. Remove bleed blocks, igniters on, normal start, spool to 100%, remain for 5 minutes, exercise the anti-ice valve/valves, anti-ice off, normal cool down. If you fly over the ocean every day to drilling rigs, etc, this is done daily. 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸. Fair winds friends 🙏
I remember that particular aircraft because British Airways were doing cabin modifications for their new dusk services between the UK and America and were installing bed tubs which allowed for seats to electrically turn into a fully flat bed with entertainment systems. G-VIIR was the 100th aircraft in the fleet to have the mod done and everyone who worked on it, got an engraved chrome key ring with a personalised tin box. I worked as a cabin fitter helping to remove the old interior, carry out structural inspections and the help fit the new interior and seat coverings. Was a great aircraft to work on.
I’ve been doing these engine washes for years with different engine wash equipment. We wash 2 engines per shift, GE, Rolls Royce, CFM56,737max LEAP ENGINE, V-2500 a-320, Pratt Whitney. 787 genex engine. We do it with a team of 2 people.
Washing my GE90 I alway use baking soda, I learned that from my grandma! I use the GE90 for to pull my eight-furrow plough. Works fine, an acre is done in 1.2 seconds!
In 1989 I worked at JFK (NYC) and had to was the belly of the DC 9 with a very long mop like kinda washing your car with a brush at the end of pole. It was tiring but I had a lot of fun cleaning the aircraft.
People who've never worked on aircraft don't realize how dirty they get, to be efficient an engine has to be clean. They're just motoring over the engine not starting it. They pull the fuel circuit breaker so the engine won't start.
Gaspath wash using the Juniper rig requires disconnection of EEC sense lines and post wash engine ground run. It consumes fuel and takes too long to perform task. It is easier to use Lufthansa designed spinner wash rig. It does not require to disconnection of EEC sense lines and post wash engine run-up.
Cleaning the burners and the turbine section is an essential part of engine maintenance. During normal operation soot builds up on the sections of the engine. The increased thickness of soot restricts heat transfer causing internal temperature to run higher than designed. This could contribute to uneven turbine temperatures in multi engine aircraft seen on the flight deck computers. All thermodynamic machines need to be clean to work as designed.
I believe the mat is to capture what ever comes out of the engine. If pieces came out that would be a problem and it would be nice to know that. There is no EPA in the UK so I doubt that is the issue, they are looking for pieces. The other thing that they may do is send the wash out to a lab to see what is in it. if there was any contaminants, sand, oil, what ever.
+coderodion A lot of people don't realize how much power those compressors take to run. Look at a Alison 250 turboshaft.The compressor is the size of coffee thermos and takes 2 thirds of the thrust generated to run it. That works out to about 800 shaft hp. Tiny little engine. Without the gearcase, easily lifted by hand onto a bench.Now imagine one of the big ones...
Mesin pesawat memang perlu dicuci untuk kebersihan ruang bakar karena mesin jet tidak memiliki filter udara jadi mudah sekali kotor dan ini perlu di bersihkan
I reluctantly glanced down to the comments area to see if there were any details on interval cleaning, solvent etc on the largest most expensive, impressive turbo fan engine in the world only to find comments of no meaning. What's happened to our society.
Chris S We used those juniper rigs at my previous airline. They were expensive but worth the money. No detergent is used with this method, just hot (70 deg C) demineralised water. The airline compared the results with the old way of using detergent wash / water rinse method. The results were the same (in egt margin) but the advantages were no detergent costs, and a short idle drying run instead of a medium power run to remove detergent fumes. This was important as we could do idle runs during the noise curfew so plane was ready for morning first flight, not to mention less fuel consumed not having to burn off detergent residue. Hope this helps
Thank you very much for your reply David. I heard the turbine spin up during wash and saw it spinning, was arguing with myself - was this the engine under it's own power or the sound of an APU pressure washer lol. Therefore a far more dynamic process than one would expect. Being my favorite engine it certainly would be a pleasure to be an A&P on one of these. I am curious what the suggested manufacturers cleaning interval is.
Am I the only one who thought it would look like a bunch of guys wearing blue overalls, and armed with scrubbing brushes with long wooden handles used for scrubbing down an elephant the zoo?
Hi Juniper, can you advise what is the part number of that matting unit rig which rolls out and in the water collecting matt? We would like to order one. Thanks
My Hoover Vacuum needs a good cleaning. I wonder if I could get a discount by taking it to the airport? A two for one special. Maybe for a half pint of Jack these guys would do it for free?
How much does it cost to do a wash? Is it to increase performance (save money) or is it a safety matter to do a wash? Is it mandated by the engine mfr?
Its optional by the aircraft operator, it cleans all the crud of the blades and improves fuel efficiency. Engine manufacturers have their own teams / have sub companies that carry out the washes. They recommend them to be carried out at 6 month intervals
Curtis Anderson: You're correct sir, they use the starter to motor the engine so that they can clean the blades inside the engine. The air is suppled to the starter by the use of an External Bleed Air Cart or by firing up the APU. No fuel is injected to the engine while doing the wash obviously.
Francis Parkes It's not running in the normal sense. It is motoring on the air starter which is powered by the APU in the tail. The reason for this is the core gets to around 10% which allows the solution to be pushed through. It's important to do this to allow cleaning of the compressor, combustor and turbine section. This removes carbon build up, and also the motoring on the starter also allows some bleed air to be generated from the compressor to put positive pressure into the engines own cooling system, allowing to clean the cooling veins in the turbine blades and nozzles (nozzles are fixed to direct air to the spinning turbine disc, to allow for the most efficient gas path hitting the spinning blades. They are like stators but are not variable). Turbine blades and nozzles have pin prick sized holes on the aerofoil leading edges which allows colder air to circulate over their surface to mitigate the 1500 degree heat generated by the burning air/fuel mixture. Without this cooling air, the blades and nozzles would melt. Any chemical solution cleaning or otherwise when dried could leave a film and if the engine was stationary, could potentially block these crucial cooling holes. Running the engine on the starter eliminates this risk by applying air pressure to keep anything settling on top of the cooling holes, drying and causing a blockage.
Francis Parkes Like others mentioned, its just being motored over by the air turbine starter via bleed air. There isn't any internal electrical components to speak of aside from the thermocouples in the core that is being washed. And the external stuff you see dripping wet is all very well sealed. After the engine is run with the wash solution it is run again with a rinse solution. Looks like a nice system! Our setup for PT6A is pretty basic and messy but gets the job done.
My Dad: Have you washed the Engine today? Me: Yes Dad!😌 My dad: Okay! There's your 50 bucks pocket money on the table, use it wisely!!😎 Me: Thanks Dad, I am saving it, one day I'll buy my own f....😤 engine and don't have to wash yours anymore!🤗🤗
As obvious as it may seem I've never known this process existed thank you for posting!
I have been washing my personal GE90 wrong all that time!
V PK handle with care!
We used to do this to the A-10's all the time. The gun gas would get into the engines and coat the compressor blades, which would reduce the available engine power. When it fell to 95% the engines would get washed out.
this might be a late question, but what do you mean gun gas ?
NIK4014 aka monti You should do yourself a favor and look for RUclips videos with A-10 warthog in the name.👍
@@_monti142 You dont know the Prrrrrrrrrrtttttttt ???
@@_monti142 i’m sure he means the carbon and other chemicals released from the propellant of the Gatling gun when fired. Smoke goes back into engines and coats the compressor in carbon, thus reducing efficiency anddd engine power.
Very informative.....I'm going to go wash mine now.....
I was thinking JUST that!! Wait.....I don't have one...:(
Tim Crofford 😂😂😂
so,how you did?
Yes better to wash your "Ass". it is very smelly... hehehe... wao...
thats how i do mine !
keep in mind also that tiny dust particles of silica can melt and fuse to the blades, causing inefficiency. A jet flying thru volcanic dust in Indonesia had an engine internally coated with melted silica, that stole a lot of the power of the engine. Fortunately the engine wasn't damaged enough to fail in flight. This is why when that volcano erupted in Iceland all the airliners stayed away from that air laden with volcanic dust. It melts and the spinning coats it with a glass like substance, similar to the way a cotton candy machine works.
Normal day in the life of a helicopter pilot too. Bleed valves blocked, igniters off, introduce soap, spool to 10/12% N1, rinse is same procedure with distilled water. Remove bleed blocks, igniters on, normal start, spool to 100%, remain for 5 minutes, exercise the anti-ice valve/valves, anti-ice off, normal cool down. If you fly over the ocean every day to drilling rigs, etc, this is done daily. 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸. Fair winds friends 🙏
Cool! Just found my work log book and found I worked on this jet back in January 2005 at Cardiff Airport. Loved working on the 777. Great aircraft.
Stefanos Zamanidis Well, one of the bolts also looked familiar to me...
I remember that particular aircraft because British Airways were doing cabin modifications for their new dusk services between the UK and America and were installing bed tubs which allowed for seats to electrically turn into a fully flat bed with entertainment systems. G-VIIR was the 100th aircraft in the fleet to have the mod done and everyone who worked on it, got an engraved chrome key ring with a personalised tin box. I worked as a cabin fitter helping to remove the old interior, carry out structural inspections and the help fit the new interior and seat coverings. Was a great aircraft to work on.
tomcatter11
If I’m not mistaken this is the GE90-94B
I've picked up parts at the GE engine plants in Lynn MA and at Cincinnati. Huge plants that employ many people. Its always interesting to go there.
I’ve been doing these engine washes for years with different engine wash equipment. We wash 2 engines per shift, GE, Rolls Royce, CFM56,737max LEAP ENGINE, V-2500 a-320, Pratt Whitney. 787 genex engine. We do it with a team of 2 people.
Washing my GE90 I alway use baking soda, I learned that from my grandma! I use the GE90 for to pull my eight-furrow plough. Works fine, an acre is done in 1.2 seconds!
I wish I can work with you
now that is a beautiful piece of machinery
Yes it is to bad more people can't appreciate it
Brian Hill I know right
It's amazing
Brian Hill they're expensive too, a new one would run 35-40 million dollars.
That much
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Wow, I never thought these engines would actually get that bad, I guess I was wrong. Thanks for sharing this 👍
So that's how they make British Airways coffee, thanks for showing us.
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Very nice video. I never imagine how they wash an airplane engine.
Thanks for post.
10 years later, it’s still bazaar how y’all got close to an engine that massive
Video should have been called, "Seven guys unroll a tarp"
Ok damn... that's the funniest thing about this video is this comment. XD
you are stupid. go and play pokemon go.
Carlos Zc You are stupid. Get off the internet.
Thelolguy ???
Some people just love stupidity
interesting. ive never seen a turbine engine washed before...
I'm sure I did the Ultrasonic inspection on most if not all of the main turbine blades on that engine. Great to see them still flying.
+carlos gonzalez ultrasonic turbine blades, not FPI?
James. The fan blades are 100% composite with titanium bonded to the composite in certain areas. All UT inspected.
+james weigand my mistake, I was thinking you meant the hot section{of the hp turbine)
In 1989 I worked at JFK (NYC) and had to was the belly of the DC 9 with a very long mop like kinda washing your car with a brush at the end of pole. It was tiring but I had a lot of fun cleaning the aircraft.
My kind of video, thanks a million. Do you have more videos like this, please? Thank you, good job.
People who've never worked on aircraft don't realize how dirty they get, to be efficient an engine has to be clean. They're just motoring over the engine not starting it. They pull the fuel circuit breaker so the engine won't start.
Funny enough that very same aircraft was here in Barbados (recognized the registration number).
I thought they just didn't apply the fuel switch below the throttle
Software can now motor the engine without requesting fuel. Water wash is great for EGT margin and LPC stall margin.
Jovan Blackman yeah planes fly you know
So just let bleed air motor the engine? Fuel wont be introduced and therefore it's completely running on bleed air i believe?
The roar of the GE90 is very distinct and amazing.
And a cleaner engine will pay for itself in no time.
We live and learn! I want a mini version for my ride-on mower.
Gaspath wash using the Juniper rig requires disconnection of EEC sense lines and post wash engine ground run. It consumes fuel and takes too long to perform task. It is easier to use Lufthansa designed spinner wash rig. It does not require to disconnection of EEC sense lines and post wash engine run-up.
Not a single sign of Keresene oil residue ? You know the rainbow effect of spilling fuel !
Thank you for sharing. Something different. Something I didnt know they do.
Cleaning the burners and the turbine section is an essential part of engine maintenance. During normal operation soot builds up on the sections of the engine. The increased thickness of soot restricts heat transfer causing internal temperature to run higher than designed. This could contribute to uneven turbine temperatures in multi engine aircraft seen on the flight deck computers. All thermodynamic machines need to be clean to work as designed.
These tutorials really helps a lot!
I advise them to fly over amazon where is so rainy..
Job!
ae vurucu acidic rain does the best job ;)
I love GE I am ex employee... I wish I would join GE again... GE is the Best organization in the world GE care their employee very much.
Did you retire?
Looks like a fun job... Now don't forget to armor all the tires...
I believe the mat is to capture what ever comes out of the engine. If pieces came out that would be a problem and it would be nice to know that. There is no EPA in the UK so I doubt that is the issue, they are looking for pieces. The other thing that they may do is send the wash out to a lab to see what is in it. if there was any contaminants, sand, oil, what ever.
Thank you, i was looking to do it this weekend.
Hopefully nice and clean
awwwwwwww now we talking !!!!!!!!!
SKBenergy
The engine feels fresh now, thank you. ^^
+coderodion Yes all the engine 'feathers' are ready to go again.
+Les Brown And they generate a lot of thrust right there. :E
+coderodion A lot of people don't realize how much power those compressors take to run. Look at a Alison 250 turboshaft.The compressor is the size of coffee thermos and takes 2 thirds of the thrust generated to run it. That works out to about 800 shaft hp. Tiny little engine. Without the gearcase, easily lifted by hand onto a bench.Now imagine one of the big ones...
+Les Brown ...you're way off on SHP for an Allison 250
+geminisixx4 And you two, stop arguing! Let's appreciate rocket science! Together...
hehehe I love how the dude wet vacuums up the dirty engine water. Damn filthy planes, leaving their engine drippings everywhere!
Amy Wilson ...I believe the dirty water is being contained and cleaned up in this manner due to EPA requirements.
That mat I use for rinsing my cows.
Yeah, but don't forget the toothbrushes.
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So that's how ya clean em...
Mesin pesawat memang perlu dicuci untuk kebersihan ruang bakar karena mesin jet tidak memiliki filter udara jadi mudah sekali kotor dan ini perlu di bersihkan
Had that same aircraft today at Antigua 😊, G-VIIP
wow amazing video mate with great shooting
kyoto containment mat 😂 ancient Chinese secret!
They used to spray ground up nut shells through turbines to clean them. True story.
Thanks alot !!! Going to give it a go on my hair dryer!!
I reluctantly glanced down to the comments area to see if there were any details on interval cleaning, solvent etc on the largest most expensive, impressive turbo fan engine in the world only to find comments of no meaning. What's happened to our society.
Chris S We used those juniper rigs at my previous airline. They were expensive but worth the money. No detergent is used with this method, just hot (70 deg C) demineralised water. The airline compared the results with the old way of using detergent wash / water rinse method. The results were the same (in egt margin) but the advantages were no detergent costs, and a short idle drying run instead of a medium power run to remove detergent fumes. This was important as we could do idle runs during the noise curfew so plane was ready for morning first flight, not to mention less fuel consumed not having to burn off detergent residue. Hope this helps
Thank you very much for your reply David. I heard the turbine spin up during wash and saw it spinning, was arguing with myself - was this the engine under it's own power or the sound of an APU pressure washer lol. Therefore a far more dynamic process than one would expect. Being my favorite engine it certainly would be a pleasure to be an A&P on one of these. I am curious what the suggested manufacturers cleaning interval is.
Chris S Gotta put a plastic bag over your pilot to keep him from going dead.. haahahaaaahahahahahaha!!
David Steer usually drinking water can be used as it will pass the ppm test ...
Great video.☺️ I think I’ve seen this video before.☺️
Very very nice vedio and very very happy nice job I like it job
What is the specifications of the washing fluid?
Keep repeating that until the water dripping out onto the tarp is as clean as when it goes in. That's when you know you're done.
Am I the only one who thought it would look like a bunch of guys wearing blue overalls, and armed with scrubbing brushes with long wooden handles used for scrubbing down an elephant the zoo?
Must better to submersed in the water the whole engine then run at full thrust for better cleaning
Attach it to a speedboat while doing that. Just for fun
Does this come with a New Jet air freshener ... Maybe a little Armor All on the tires ?
Hi Juniper, can you advise what is the part number of that matting unit rig which rolls out and in the water collecting matt? We would like to order one. Thanks
Who is here because they just cleaned their Oscillating fan at home? Wow it works so much better after cleaning.
So that's why my roof is so dark.!!
I learned how inflatable skating rinks work - that’s about it.
All my!!!! Gosh!!! Sound same! Ge90-115b! Ge90-94 starter sounds
My Hoover Vacuum needs a good cleaning. I wonder if I could get a discount by taking it to the airport? A two for one special. Maybe for a half pint of Jack these guys would do it for free?
How can you tell that it's clean? Me, personally, I use the Mars 3x25 gallon system on all my jets. And Tonka toys too.
Is it just water or a special detergent? Might be a stupid question but it's not like there are any suds.
Tyler513 just hot demineralised water.
I'd shit myself standing that close to a GE90
Can this be done by the do it yourselfer in the driveway?
Heck - I coulda used my Farm n Fleet pressure washer and done it for hunert bucks!
I love Farm'N''Fleet!
So that's how you make worchestershire sauce.
How often is this procedure necessary?
Good work,maintenance its all
Are those engines running on auxiliary power? They didn't appear to be burning fuel
Not trying to be lame but what’s the point in this?? Are they doing this because residue can interfere with efficiency or some other reason?
Well that should help it performance and margin go up, but not much though
I guess this is one of the duties having a regular job would give you.
Cleared for takeoff
GE90 broke
*understandable have a nice day*
That's like cleaning an oil furnace
Wouldn't going through massive cloud formations create a smaller form of this to some extent?
Thewiz666 That would raise the unemployment rate.
Never heard about jet engine wash...it must be some sort of special procedure in case of contamination or fluid leakage
It is pretty much a standard maintenence procedure on turbine engines.
I just use lots of Fabuloso Lavender scent cleaner...
Cool video 👍👍. Subscribed
How often does that have to be done might I ask?
Would flying through rain clean the engine too? Just curious.
Tks for the video, but what is the purpose of an engine wash?
Robb Lupo a clean engine uses less fuel. Less fuel = less cost= more profit.
How many times a year they do this for commercial jets?
Why just they don't fly in rain??
After a wash do you run the engines for a set period?before going back on the apron.
whats the point in washing the internal hot section anyway? its still gonna build carbon on the next flight
To prevent too much soot from building up.
I didn't see the broom and the soap!
Pinatubo Got to use toothbrushes.
LOL,
They put the work experience kid in there to wash out the core
Liquid soap is better?
How much does it cost to do a wash? Is it to increase performance (save money) or is it a safety matter to do a wash? Is it mandated by the engine mfr?
Its optional by the aircraft operator, it cleans all the crud of the blades and improves fuel efficiency.
Engine manufacturers have their own teams / have sub companies that carry out the washes. They recommend them to be carried out at 6 month intervals
not only increase perfomance it's also save EGT
+CampKohler significantly reduces engine overhaul costs by reducing corrosion damage the compressor stators and blades
so was detergent used the second time? how long after the first motor did they wait for the second go around?
That interesting! I believe the engine didn't actually started but spin by the engine starter or a pneumatic mechanism, any expert explain this!
I want to say only bleed air from the APU (auxillary power unit) enters the engine as though to start it.
Curtis Anderson: You're correct sir, they use the starter to motor the engine so that they can clean the blades inside the engine. The air is suppled to the starter by the use of an External Bleed Air Cart or by firing up the APU. No fuel is injected to the engine while doing the wash obviously.
How often does the 777 need to have its engines washed ??
I did not know that the engine had to be running whilst it is being washed . Does it not affect the electrical components within?
Francis Parkes It's not running in the normal sense. It is motoring on the air starter which is powered by the APU in the tail. The reason for this is the core gets to around 10% which allows the solution to be pushed through. It's important to do this to allow cleaning of the compressor, combustor and turbine section. This removes carbon build up, and also the motoring on the starter also allows some bleed air to be generated from the compressor to put positive pressure into the engines own cooling system, allowing to clean the cooling veins in the turbine blades and nozzles (nozzles are fixed to direct air to the spinning turbine disc, to allow for the most efficient gas path hitting the spinning blades. They are like stators but are not variable). Turbine blades and nozzles have pin prick sized holes on the aerofoil leading edges which allows colder air to circulate over their surface to mitigate the 1500 degree heat generated by the burning air/fuel mixture. Without this cooling air, the blades and nozzles would melt. Any chemical solution cleaning or otherwise when dried could leave a film and if the engine was stationary, could potentially block these crucial cooling holes. Running the engine on the starter eliminates this risk by applying air pressure to keep anything settling on top of the cooling holes, drying and causing a blockage.
It wasn't running. We use bleed air from the APU to turn the compressor. Actually running the engine would defeat the purpose of the wash.
Francis Parkes Like others mentioned, its just being motored over by the air turbine starter via bleed air. There isn't any internal electrical components to speak of aside from the thermocouples in the core that is being washed. And the external stuff you see dripping wet is all very well sealed. After the engine is run with the wash solution it is run again with a rinse solution.
Looks like a nice system! Our setup for PT6A is pretty basic and messy but gets the job done.
I say dunk the whole shebang in the bathtub and give it a proper clean
+thihal123 Sure! Break out some scrub brushes and steel wool pads and get in there and really give 'er the business. ;)
I think it was " Ashe dust remover " Maybe.
How many rolls of quarters did it take?
Is this part of line maintenance job?
Real hero maintenance personel
Imagine if this got put in the planes movie lol
they need to disassemble the whole engine and use tide detergent.
My Dad: Have you washed the Engine today?
Me: Yes Dad!😌
My dad: Okay! There's your 50 bucks pocket money on the table, use it wisely!!😎
Me: Thanks Dad, I am saving it, one day I'll buy my own f....😤 engine and don't have to wash yours anymore!🤗🤗