2:01 I feel that Marin The Fox deserves D tier to be honest. Even at the time of release it was an incredibly slow card with a random effect that could feel incredibly mediocre even when you got the treasure.
@caiofiuzaseixas9027 Iirc that was the combo with doll master Dorian (the og one). You would shuffle mecha'thun into deck, draw + summon a 1/1 copy, then cataclysm for otk
Zeddy, I almost 100% agree with you, except I would move Drek'Thar from Tier S to Tier A since it wasn't "free pre-release" to everyone since we had to choose between it and Vanndar.
I actually got good use out of Shadow Hunter Vol'jin in Demon Seed Warlock. The variant where you used Sacrificial Summoner on a 0 mana Imprisoned Horror to pull Thaddius from the deck and then play your entire deck with the mana cheat. Vol'jin was useful for those times when you drew Thaddius. Just drop a 0 mana Horror and use Vol'jin to swap it with Thaddius. Of course, this was pre-Thaddius nerf when he still discounted by 4.
@@murlocmasher3368mecathunlock saw many itérations , but all of them used vol'jin to manacheat Mecathun You re talking about cataclysm and bloodbloom (no, we don t use bloodbloom omg what are you talking about) Cataclysm discard your hand , bloodbloom only manacheat spells. We used vol'jin to manacheat minion Please, just read cards before saying shit
@@monosbzh5267 Not all of them used Vol'jin. Especially since Mecha'thun Warlock decks predate Vol'jin's release. The original Mecha'thun Warlock that used Bloodbloom (Back when it cost 2 mana before being nerfed because of Mecha'thun Warlock) used 2x Galvanizer to reduce the cost of Mecha'thun to 8 mana, so that they could play Mecha'thun > Bloodbloom > Cataclysm for 10 mana and 5 health.
@@tarille1043 sigh.. I know we used to play galvanizer and thaurissan with bloodbloom .. but that was AT THE START When Vol'jin was released, we stopped using little manacheat because Vol'jin was just Mecathun for 5-6 mana But here, we are only talking about Vol'jin (about legendaries released before their expansions, so Vol'jin) And this guy is just trying to tell us that Vol'jin was never played as a combo enabler for Mecathun warlock We re talking about HS in the last 3 years and he thinks about HS 5-6 years ago
@@monosbzh5267 by the time Voljin came out, mech’thun Didn’t see any competitive play.., I mainly only play wild, since its release. And not a single expansion went by, where I didn’t experience the meta. So I can confidently say you’re just wrong, you must’ve been apart a select few. Still using mech thun, when it wasn’t meta.
I feel like Transfer Student should have been included. Its animation is pretty Legendary-like. I personally believe the only reason it's Epic is so that you can run two of them.
Some Wild specific notes: Voljin was used as a way to cheat out mechathun and then play Cataclysm Vargoth was really good and still is usable with Oaken Summons. Would destroy most aggro decks if you pulled it off on turn 4. I guess the debate here is longevity or the cards absolute peak
I could see this as an idea for a Rarran challenge. You must win with a deck using these 17 cards, you get to pick the other 23(counting the additional 10 due to Renathal), try your best to make it make sense.
Really wish you could somehow pick which pack you get. I'd probably play Arena more if it were the case. Even if I couldn't get the upcoming expansion, I'd just build up more Standard packs which will do about the same for me once the expansion's out.
Honestly... Prison is and always has been overrated. I've rarely ever seen it do something particularly noteworthy and most of the time it either does nothing or is actively detrimental to the user.
all these cards are dumpster tier as far as i'm concerned, since none can be crafted golden, ew gross. at least got vandaar diamond, only playable card here.
I still see it sometimes. Res Priest in Wild is still a thing. It never got bad by any means, it's just beaten by Demon Seed and Pirate Rogue at the moment, though on the flip side it can counter Dorian Druid. I feel like it could come back anytime.
More tier list content!
Agree
no moar 8 min baroqq videos pls
Have you guys not seen his older videos? He’s done a tier list on practically everything already.
@@Begeru Inb4 a Tierlist of Tierlists
2:01 I feel that Marin The Fox deserves D tier to be honest. Even at the time of release it was an incredibly slow card with a random effect that could feel incredibly mediocre even when you got the treasure.
Already know your going to say Renathal is S tier
I saw the thumbnail and thought 'yup, yet another excuse for Zeddy to say how much he loves Renathal.'
@@KnownAsKenjiwell it’s not like he’s wrong lol
I miss that card in standard every single day….
Well, it was nerfed, so checks out
Shadow Hunter Vol'jin was meta in wild with Mechathun Warlock. I think it was at its best in Alterac Valley.
yeah he talks about drek thar and guff a niche combo, but forgets voljin and mechathun XD
Was it? Wouldn’t Cataclysm Bloodbloom be better anyways
@@Begeru Both of those cards got nerfed and stopped being used for Mecha'thun...
@@Begeru how would you play mecha 10 mana then bloodbloom at 4 mana?
@caiofiuzaseixas9027 Iirc that was the combo with doll master Dorian (the og one). You would shuffle mecha'thun into deck, draw + summon a 1/1 copy, then cataclysm for otk
Zeddy, I almost 100% agree with you, except I would move Drek'Thar from Tier S to Tier A since it wasn't "free pre-release" to everyone since we had to choose between it and Vanndar.
I actually got good use out of Shadow Hunter Vol'jin in Demon Seed Warlock. The variant where you used Sacrificial Summoner on a 0 mana Imprisoned Horror to pull Thaddius from the deck and then play your entire deck with the mana cheat.
Vol'jin was useful for those times when you drew Thaddius. Just drop a 0 mana Horror and use Vol'jin to swap it with Thaddius.
Of course, this was pre-Thaddius nerf when he still discounted by 4.
Vol'jin did actually see a fair bit of play in Wild in Mecha'Thun Warlock
No it didn’t, when that deck was meta. It used Cataclysm and Blood bloom.
@@murlocmasher3368mecathunlock saw many itérations , but all of them used vol'jin to manacheat Mecathun
You re talking about cataclysm and bloodbloom (no, we don t use bloodbloom omg what are you talking about)
Cataclysm discard your hand , bloodbloom only manacheat spells. We used vol'jin to manacheat minion
Please, just read cards before saying shit
@@monosbzh5267 Not all of them used Vol'jin. Especially since Mecha'thun Warlock decks predate Vol'jin's release.
The original Mecha'thun Warlock that used Bloodbloom (Back when it cost 2 mana before being nerfed because of Mecha'thun Warlock) used 2x Galvanizer to reduce the cost of Mecha'thun to 8 mana, so that they could play Mecha'thun > Bloodbloom > Cataclysm for 10 mana and 5 health.
@@tarille1043 sigh.. I know we used to play galvanizer and thaurissan with bloodbloom .. but that was AT THE START
When Vol'jin was released, we stopped using little manacheat because Vol'jin was just Mecathun for 5-6 mana
But here, we are only talking about Vol'jin (about legendaries released before their expansions, so Vol'jin)
And this guy is just trying to tell us that Vol'jin was never played as a combo enabler for Mecathun warlock
We re talking about HS in the last 3 years and he thinks about HS 5-6 years ago
@@monosbzh5267 by the time Voljin came out, mech’thun Didn’t see any competitive play.., I mainly only play wild, since its release. And not a single expansion went by, where I didn’t experience the meta. So I can confidently say you’re just wrong, you must’ve been apart a select few. Still using mech thun, when it wasn’t meta.
Voljin saw a lot of play in evolve shaman which was a meta tyrant for awhile. Should be at least B
Definitely still only c teir
I feel like Transfer Student should have been included. Its animation is pretty Legendary-like. I personally believe the only reason it's Epic is so that you can run two of them.
REALLY good list.. i agree with every choice except Thunderbringer is underrated this thing won me soooo many games should be A Tier
It really depends on the card pool tough, it lost a lot of power when Neptulon rotates out.
Some Wild specific notes:
Voljin was used as a way to cheat out mechathun and then play Cataclysm
Vargoth was really good and still is usable with Oaken Summons. Would destroy most aggro decks if you pulled it off on turn 4.
I guess the debate here is longevity or the cards absolute peak
Dungar is my favorite one. Cool card with some surprising effects.
Nothing was more fun than playing kael’thas survival of the fittest druid
Archmage Vargoth makes me think of Druid the most. Oaken Summons with Vargoth is iconic.
I know it wasn't meta, but I got to legend with Coliferoe spell Hunter last month that card is good
I could see this as an idea for a Rarran challenge. You must win with a deck using these 17 cards, you get to pick the other 23(counting the additional 10 due to Renathal), try your best to make it make sense.
Voljin saw play in wild Mecha'thun warlock at the time
Sathrovar was meta in malygos druid in wild
Hi Zeddy, maybe I am stupid, but isn´t C´thun also a pre-release legendary?
Vanndar to high B, and Flightmaster + Sathrovarr to C, otherwise perfect list great vid zedward
I loved Vaandar Big Demon Hunter
I’m with top comment! Like the tier list content, takes me back to the og days lol
10:43 Baku listening to this... I will put my 4 mana card in my Odd deck :D
I’m sad John Cena is retiring 😭
great job zeddy!
NIce list I agree for most part
Damn that is one click-baity thumbnail
Prince renethal in format would help. Change boomboss. Its the only thing i hate in the game rn.
Tier list for the 10 most broken card in hearthstone history
Guys a question: if i start an arena run and finish it right now will the reward include new expansion packs or workshop ones?
I believe the current season is still giving Workshop packs.
100% you're getting workshop packs
Really wish you could somehow pick which pack you get. I'd probably play Arena more if it were the case. Even if I couldn't get the upcoming expansion, I'd just build up more Standard packs which will do about the same for me once the expansion's out.
Prison of Yogg got overshadowed after Yogg TITAN was released. The Yogg itself is much better card with additional RnG.
Honestly... Prison is and always has been overrated.
I've rarely ever seen it do something particularly noteworthy and most of the time it either does nothing or is actively detrimental to the user.
all these cards are dumpster tier as far as i'm concerned, since none can be crafted golden, ew gross. at least got vandaar diamond, only playable card here.
Why isn't c'thun listed hear ?
C'thun wasn't a pre-release card. It was a free card alongside the expansion like the first Tavern Pass reward.
Plaguelands (wash your hands)
>vargoth eventually got powercrept
>still running it in legend with priest
True
I still see it sometimes. Res Priest in Wild is still a thing. It never got bad by any means, it's just beaten by Demon Seed and Pirate Rogue at the moment, though on the flip side it can counter Dorian Druid. I feel like it could come back anytime.
pre-release
Ah the tier list
not including nonlegendary prerelease cards feels very arbitrary to me.
Games are won because of etc, often getting steam cleaner
You know Zeddy is running out of content when there’s a random tier list on a Sunday…
Is that you in the profile picture?
Bingo
New expansion soon but no card reveals at the moment, Anomalies are making the game suck. I don't really blame him.