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Nice video QY! This is a great example of how to create heuristics from reports and when to apply them. The most efficient approach is a hybrid between memorizing earlier streets and using heuristics on later streets.
Best poker channel on RUclips for sure! I have a question, 11:58 the pot size cbet is used more on average on two tone boards, but your more recent video stated the opposite, so I’m a little confused, lately I’m thinking and doing sims a lot about this, and it seems more true on low boards, what do think? It seems on middle boards it prefers the bigger cbet
On double broadway boards, our strong hands are typically worth a bigger size. BB has a smaller proportion of 2p+, and there are less strong draws in his range since most of his flush draws don’t come with overcards. This allows us to bet quite large with hands like TP. The reason why we size down on rainbow boards is not because TP is worth a smaller size. Instead, it’s because we are more inclined to bet marginal hands (eg 2nd pair) on rainbow boards. They are able to bet smaller without isolating themselves against too many high equity hands and draws, so we start to see more small bets built around 2nd pair/underpairs. Similar to what happens on A72r in the other video.
@@PokerGiraffe thank you man but I have a doubt, in your last video you say we cbet bigger on 732r than on 732 two tone, can you confirm me that? I’d do something like this then: bigger on boards with 2 broadways (both rainbow and two tone?), connected like T84 two tone and smaller on disconnected boards like A72, k84 and 732, what do you think? Thank you!!
Yup that’s fine. I would go for something like 66% on the lower boards. We probably want to bet a touch bigger if the board is rainbow, but it’s not a huge difference.
Thanks Poker Giraffe. When I create my own flop table like you demonstrated, wouldn't it be correct to memorize the frequency as well as the bet size? If not, how does the frequency get determined?
Good question! Memorising the betsize can often help with frequency of different hand classes too. For example, if you know you're playing overbet or check on AK8, it tells you that you should build your betting range around strong TP+, and check marginal hands like Kx and QQ.
Giraffe?This is a message, I'm a little confused about the flop c-b size on different board now,you said we use smaller size on rainbow/disconnected board becuase the protection is more effective and bigger size on wet board; but I do remember you said "we don't need to use a bigger size on wet board because it can't deny the eq of draws,opponents will call anyway and the eq will switch quickly on turn?"or it's not from you?
General rules like "bet big/small on wet boards" don't work very well in poker, because of how complex the game is. Eg if the board is low, our betsizing tends to be dictated by overpairs - and overpairs will often want to bet bigger when the board is rainbow. If the board is high, then our value threshold actually changes depending on the tone of the board. On twotone boards, mid pair/underpairs have worse equity, and are less inclined to bet. This makes us bet bigger and more polarised. On rainbow boards, the same hands have better equity, and don't mind betting for thin value. This tends to drive our betsizing down on average.
@@PokerGiraffe I understand it but not sure if I get it cause it changes from situation to situation, need to study more and practice more; sooo glad you explained it in detail😊
nice vidéo, but there is one thing i don't understand on the last exemple BTN vs Big blind. you say that's it needs more pretection with our range in a board like A92 instead of AT2. But it's the opposite right? in the first one our opponent does not have gutshot so we need less protection that's why we bet only 30%. in the second board AT2 there is some gutshot that's why we need more protection so the overbet, that's right?
Not really! If we bet big on AT2, we are not betting Tx for sure. So it's not really about protection, since most of our value range is not that vulnerable vs gutshots. More of choosing a size that is consistent with how polarised our betting range is. If you have Piosolver you can try removing all the gutshots from BB's range--my guess is that BTN would still go big on AT2, simply because it's not that inclined to bet Tx.
@@PokerGiraffe thanks you for your answer. It is the same reflexion UTG vs BB on a AK2r board?UTG want to bet big but it's seems not logical to me, why we want to bet big whereas we crush the BB range? if we bet 1/3, BB will pay more with his range than an overbet and we get the pot bigger. I don't know if i'm clear but i'm really lost :)
@@lasticot3059 I think what you’re missing is that for very strong hands, a big bet extracts more value, not less. Yes your opponent will call less often, but you win so much more the times he does call that your overall EV ends up being higher.
Also, to answer you first question, the reason QY says you get more protection on A92 is because your bets with second pair will fold his broadways which have a ton of equity. However, on AT2, as much as you may want to protect against those broadways, your bet won’t get much fold equity and it is therefore more pointless to bet since you don’t get to protect your second pair! (So it’s not about how much protection you want, it’s about how much you get!!)
Maybe it's a bit misunderstood. The presentation compared two situations in which you have a 2nd pair type hand. The bet on the flop doesn't mean to protect top pair (Ax). So on A92 you can bet 9x hands with a small bet and that protects your 9x hands from 2over type hands, BB should fold most of them. On AT2 if you bet small then you won't get protection for your Tx hands from 2over type hands because those are gutshots and they will call a small bet (or even raise you which would suck). So on AT2 you bet more polarized (Ax+ and air) and so you don't bet with your Tx hands.
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Nice video QY! This is a great example of how to create heuristics from reports and when to apply them. The most efficient approach is a hybrid between memorizing earlier streets and using heuristics on later streets.
3:01 is a work of art in that it really captures how we understand EV in theory but live the results-oriented life in practice
The background music is perfect. Loved the subject as well.
I came for the wordle strategy and left with a poker education, well played.
Awesome content!
Never played the game, but this made me want to become a wordle pro 🤣
Thank you! Happy to see that your channel is blowing up, you definitely deserve it :)
@@PokerGiraffe Thanks man, I learned from the best ;)
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Thanks Jaesh!
Great work QY, very nice comparison with another fun game! Keep this videos coming :)
Thanks Felix!
Best poker channel on RUclips for sure! I have a question, 11:58 the pot size cbet is used more on average on two tone boards, but your more recent video stated the opposite, so I’m a little confused, lately I’m thinking and doing sims a lot about this, and it seems more true on low boards, what do think? It seems on middle boards it prefers the bigger cbet
On double broadway boards, our strong hands are typically worth a bigger size. BB has a smaller proportion of 2p+, and there are less strong draws in his range since most of his flush draws don’t come with overcards. This allows us to bet quite large with hands like TP.
The reason why we size down on rainbow boards is not because TP is worth a smaller size. Instead, it’s because we are more inclined to bet marginal hands (eg 2nd pair) on rainbow boards. They are able to bet smaller without isolating themselves against too many high equity hands and draws, so we start to see more small bets built around 2nd pair/underpairs. Similar to what happens on A72r in the other video.
@@PokerGiraffe thank you man but I have a doubt, in your last video you say we cbet bigger on 732r than on 732 two tone, can you confirm me that? I’d do something like this then: bigger on boards with 2 broadways (both rainbow and two tone?), connected like T84 two tone and smaller on disconnected boards like A72,
k84 and 732, what do you think? Thank you!!
Yup that’s fine. I would go for something like 66% on the lower boards. We probably want to bet a touch bigger if the board is rainbow, but it’s not a huge difference.
Thanks Poker Giraffe. When I create my own flop table like you demonstrated, wouldn't it be correct to memorize the frequency as well as the bet size? If not, how does the frequency get determined?
Good question! Memorising the betsize can often help with frequency of different hand classes too. For example, if you know you're playing overbet or check on AK8, it tells you that you should build your betting range around strong TP+, and check marginal hands like Kx and QQ.
Giraffe?This is a message, I'm a little confused about the flop c-b size on different board now,you said we use smaller size on rainbow/disconnected board becuase the protection is more effective and bigger size on wet board; but I do remember you said "we don't need to use a bigger size on wet board because it can't deny the eq of draws,opponents will call anyway and the eq will switch quickly on turn?"or it's not from you?
General rules like "bet big/small on wet boards" don't work very well in poker, because of how complex the game is. Eg if the board is low, our betsizing tends to be dictated by overpairs - and overpairs will often want to bet bigger when the board is rainbow.
If the board is high, then our value threshold actually changes depending on the tone of the board. On twotone boards, mid pair/underpairs have worse equity, and are less inclined to bet. This makes us bet bigger and more polarised. On rainbow boards, the same hands have better equity, and don't mind betting for thin value. This tends to drive our betsizing down on average.
@@PokerGiraffe you online!!!(>^ω^
@@PokerGiraffe I understand it but not sure if I get it cause it changes from situation to situation, need to study more and practice more; sooo glad you explained it in detail😊
you're welcome 😁
Can I get the Excel file shown at 12:02 somehow? without paying for the Solver software? :)
They are basically just piosolver aggregate reports, but colour coded for better readability :)
Amazing video thank you very much
great video!
Brilliant !
nice vidéo, but there is one thing i don't understand on the last exemple BTN vs Big blind. you say that's it needs more pretection with our range in a board like A92 instead of AT2. But it's the opposite right? in the first one our opponent does not have gutshot so we need less protection that's why we bet only 30%. in the second board AT2 there is some gutshot that's why we need more protection so the overbet, that's right?
Not really! If we bet big on AT2, we are not betting Tx for sure. So it's not really about protection, since most of our value range is not that vulnerable vs gutshots. More of choosing a size that is consistent with how polarised our betting range is.
If you have Piosolver you can try removing all the gutshots from BB's range--my guess is that BTN would still go big on AT2, simply because it's not that inclined to bet Tx.
@@PokerGiraffe thanks you for your answer. It is the same reflexion UTG vs BB on a AK2r board?UTG want to bet big but it's seems not logical to me, why we want to bet big whereas we crush the BB range? if we bet 1/3, BB will pay more with his range than an overbet and we get the pot bigger. I don't know if i'm clear but i'm really lost :)
@@lasticot3059 I think what you’re missing is that for very strong hands, a big bet extracts more value, not less. Yes your opponent will call less often, but you win so much more the times he does call that your overall EV ends up being higher.
Also, to answer you first question, the reason QY says you get more protection on A92 is because your bets with second pair will fold his broadways which have a ton of equity. However, on AT2, as much as you may want to protect against those broadways, your bet won’t get much fold equity and it is therefore more pointless to bet since you don’t get to protect your second pair! (So it’s not about how much protection you want, it’s about how much you get!!)
Maybe it's a bit misunderstood. The presentation compared two situations in which you have a 2nd pair type hand. The bet on the flop doesn't mean to protect top pair (Ax).
So on A92 you can bet 9x hands with a small bet and that protects your 9x hands from 2over type hands, BB should fold most of them.
On AT2 if you bet small then you won't get protection for your Tx hands from 2over type hands because those are gutshots and they will call a small bet (or even raise you which would suck). So on AT2 you bet more polarized (Ax+ and air) and so you don't bet with your Tx hands.