STUPID Gold Plated Model Railway Locomotives | Hornby's Princess Elizabeth & Flying Scotsman Roast
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- The absolute insanity of Hornby making model railway locomotives with gold plated parts. In this video I roast the concept of these 'collectors items' and especially the current Flying Scotsman limited edition gold editions. You'll also see Hornby R2215, the Princess Elizabeth LMS 4-6-2 Princess class steam locomotive limited edition for the Queen's Golden Jubilee in 2002 up close and in detail as we check out one of these models in OO Scale and see what all the fuss is about.
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But is it more stupid than plastering The Beatles all over a bunch of cheap rolling stock?...
No, just no
@@jamtart606 and you can afford the Beatles stuff
@@jamtart606 true! Quite right
I wish they made a Gold Beatles Pack..😂😅😅😅
Good riddance to Kohler and all his rip off shite.....trouble is Hornby still seamlessly producing rip off shite
I would rather buy a fine brass model, if I wanted a collectible edition.
Surely, if it is real gold, it wouldn't tarnish...
It's not pure Gold.
@@hollyruston2444 but it's branded as being plated in 18ct gold...which shouldn't tarnish.
@@CaseyJonesNumber1 all plated products tarnish. Jewellery plated the same will not last very long in regular use. Even without use just the air will eventually get to it. This is why your really serious nerd collectors of this stuff will keep it all in spaces with controls on humidity and temp and such so it stays as perfect as possible same as lots of people do with lots of collections of things. Cars kept in controlled environments, watches, wine, spirits, jewellery you name it.
I think real gold can oxidize but it takes a long time
@@DukeOfTrains nah, the metal that has been plated or other metals in the alloy forming the 18ct gold plating oxidise which alters the surface of the plated object. Best not to handle gold plated items too much. This is why you should take any plated jewellery off before showering or doing dishes or generally when not wanting to show it off you'll extend the lifespan. White gold just avoid all together the core of the piece of jewellery contains a gold alloy but the external appearance isn't gold at all it's plated with palladium which will wear off the piece over time and look bad then you're left to pay to replate it.
All its missing is a plastic gold coin stuck on the smokebox door.
Yep... classy
I have this model and i use it alot, the gold has come off the wheels but oh well, its a model to be used not stored
I've never understood how mass produced plastic trinkets from China are expected to increase in value over time, although the idea that certain trinkets are going to balloon in value and make you rich seems to be Hornby's entire marketing strategy
I dunno, if you'd have bought a bunch of cheap wagons 10 years ago and just left them in a cupboard you could sell them for a tidy profit today. Will those conditions be replicated in the future? Who knows.
@@ukoutdoors3022 it's not the same thing. These are overpriced tat being sold as heirlooms, tat you can't even use. Those waggons have just risen with inflation as they're just normal pieces anyone would buy. Really, being a limited run makes this tat less valuable
@@JSmith19858 oh, I quite agree that all this gimmicky stuff is garbage - it's a shame that Hornby feels the need to peddle this junk to turn a few quid. But I might add, the prices of those older wagons has risen quite a bit above inflation.
Well, the time hasn't been long enough and the attrition of people not looking after them in mint condition hasn't kicked in fully but rest assured one day they will go up in value as long as you have kept them pristine, just as the absolute base level trainsets produced by the bucketload from years ago now have some not insignificant price tags attached if buying them in mint condition. It's the people who don't look after them that generate any increase in value for those that do. This is the same with all areas, look at old games cartridges produced by the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies. They are even for the most mass produced examples gaining value as time goes on and there becomes less and less of them physically existing and even less of them in a good state and even less in a good state and functional.
This isn't a great example hence no great pricetag. That's not to say that none of these things have turned a profit on the original purchase price it's to say that all of the prices of items are dictated by condition, then how common they are, and then how many people make up the market for them. Don't buy a bad example of something and then bemoan how it hasn't soared in value thats just silly
Yep a Kohler speciality . Never understood gold plating
To each his own I suppose but when Hornby moved seriously into this stuff marked its switch from model railway company to purveyors of tat
Never ever got the appeal of gold plating on models. Yes it works with the maroon Princess, but looks garish on Scotsman or Mallard
I think gold plating a locos wheels is stupid as you can't ever use it, as it would strip the plating. May as well just plate the whole loco so it can sit on a shelf depreciating
The gold plated Flying Scotsman is a Hornby Dublo so it has a die cast body but that still doesn't justify the price. I got the original mail shot from Hornby and just thought it was far too expensive. You are right, none of these supposedly limited edition models gain value.
The only time this is worth investing is if it’s the 1st one ever made of the 69th one ever made
I'd rather silver plated, at least it'd look more like steel and be less of a bummer to run it.
Then after a fairly long while, the silver plated parts will tarnish to a more realistic black!
Personally, I quite like these gold-plated models, but I understand your point of view. I actually have a Millennium Edition Flying Scotsman that my mummy-moo bought for me when I was a wee lad and I've always cherished it and appreciated it as something that's just meant to commemorate a special occasion and be a nice display piece. I've never run it, or even taken it out of the box and that's the way I intend to keep it. I wouldn't mind owning one of these gold-plated Elizabeth's too as I must agree with you, the gold-plating compliments the L.M.S. maroon beautifully.
I don’t hate the idea of static models you are just supposed to look at. But, a static model needs to be more accurate than a working model if it is to justify its own existence. If Hornby made a true scale A1 with all of the compromises of a working model done away with, and scale accurate detail put in its place, you might have a good product. But that would require actual work and development to make a true scale model.
A regular model with gold looks stupid, and you can’t run it, so it is worse in every way.
"...a static model needs to be more accurate rhan a working model" ? Try telling that to a Wrenn collector.
Hornby are rapidly drifting further away from railway modeling as most of us know it.
5000 units is as collectable as doggie do.
Not made to be run but to part money from those with more money than sense
Gold!
It’ll be Spandau Ballet painted Loco and rolling stock next!
Seriously though, I’ll bet you could flog that to Royal Family fans as opposed to Rail fans for a whole lot more.
The Princess Elizabeth is beautiful though.
Well you are out of luck mate ,The Beatles set has crappy 40 year old Vans .I will look out for coal wagon for ya 😂😂😂
I bought a gold plated mallard three years ago then I thought to hell with this run it on track they aren’t worth the extra price tag for cheap plating
Rivarossi used to make gold plated locos
This sort of stunt is what moves people to O gauge.
or in my case, leave the hobby entirely. ive not seen a value for money loco for a decade or more.
It really isn't
How does that happen?
Or TT 😂😂
Just if they didn't make these doesn't mean they are gonna make something else you do want. It just means they wouldn't make these, which someone else might want. Collecting isn't necessarily about items going up in value over time it's about owning the thing.
That's why they do it, for people that are not you or I, but people cannot see beyond their own motivations to own things so... they can't see why they'd do it or why anyone else would own them or want to own them.
It's a review from a warped perspective either because you can't or won't understand it's not aimed at you which is absolutely fine... the world doesn't revolve around us as individuals.
Also, don't buy gold bars, that's kinda bad financial advice... 😂
I do believe you have nailed it!
Good points... but this model... why does it have a motor in it?
Also... cypto ;)
@@LocomotionMotion crypto? 😅 oh lord. No. This model has probably held value better than most crypto investments ever have.
Why does it have a motor? Why not? You can run it if you want to, if you want to burn cash then people should be allowed to burn what they have. Just means the ones not run go up in value.
Y'know if it didn't exist, what would all the malcontents of model railways have to dunk on? It brings people joy on many fronts from the person who runs it and burns cash, to the person who owns it in perfect condition, to the person who sells it later for a profit, to the people who hate that it exists. Everyone gets some joy.
@@HamStrains Spot on!
As a display model, as what it is intended to be, it is fine and would look nice on a shelf with the gold-plated track, but, as you said, it is not an investment, but would make a nice gift. The Scotsman does not really impress.
I guess if it was intended as a display model, then why have a motor in it? It's such an odd model
Could be worse. Back in the day Triang released the T43 set of TT scale goldplated Merchant Navy class loco and carriages for Kays catalogue - actually now quite valuable but still looks totally naff.
Pure marketing shite.
Would look great beside all the desperado heirlooms 😂
As nice and fancy as the gold plating is and looks on these models, I can’t help but agree more how stupid, not to mention useless the models are. I defiantly see your point there, man. I thought about buying a Hornby gold Mallard one time but eventually changed my mind later on, and I’m glad I never did. I’m not a fan of putting models like these on static display for the rest of their lives. I prefer running them as trains are meant to be. Great video.
I've got one of the gold plated mallards they did a promo back for a while back, can't remember how much it actually cost at the time, but like you say its more of a shelf model than a running model as such it's never left its box
Personally a fan of 19th century locomotives, which often had trim pieces of shiny brass, nickel, copper, and sometimes even gold leaf. One I know of had all the cab fittings and the boiler backhead nickel plated, a checkerboard tile floor, and a ship's clock and mirrors installed by its doting crew out of their own pockets.
Even then, they knew better than to try doing it to the motion and wheels like on this model, as it would wear off and/or be covered in grit, oil and grease. The rods might be painted, or just shined up, but the latter was done more to make defects like cracks easier to spot and thus prevent an accident.
Rather have a good runner no matter what it may look like, and this model was made to be a shelf queen.
It'll look all right once you weather it up a bit ... ahem.
I remember 6201 at Butlins at Ingoldmells in the 1960s static display outside, Before being sold into preservation thank goodness.
If the wheels were made of cast gold, it might’ve been something interesting, since gold is a better conductor than iron or brass, it would improve the performance by a bit.
The gold plating on the handrails looks quite good, but the wheels and motion look positively disgusting, tacky and naff. Gold is quite a good conductor, so I guess the electrical pick-up would be quite good for the five minutes before the plating wore away if you were to run this loco. Maybe stuff like this makes a valuable contribution to Hornby's bottom line, but given the company's finances I suspect it is more of an unnecessary distraction from what should be its core business.
hi the valve gear is not right the drop link rod is in the wrong position badly assembled
A prize for the first person to strip the plating off one of these and turn it into a useful engine!
Can I add the Captain Tom locos to this tat-pile?
It's a curious marketing decision.
Now, an FYI: 114 years ago Lionel introduced their standard gauge #7. This was identical to the #6, however it was made of brass, or you could have nickel plated. A few short years later and the #54 came out, again a brass bodied version of the iconic #42. Ives had their legendary nickeled prosperity special.
Reason why I mention these is that none were sold or marketed as an investment.
They were sold as a premium, exclusive product, and they cost a hell of a lot of money. In the days before TV's folks bought them as a show off item, to differentiate between a toy and an adult pursuit.
Early British piddlers were finished in fine mahogany, oxidised brass and discreet greens, much as a scientific instrument.
Unfortunately this Hornby Loco isn't presenting itself as a finely crafted or upmarket purchase, like the brass bodied Lionels. This is presented as the regular product with some bling and as a supposed financial investment.
If Hornby wanted to be mature about it how about a brass Princess? That would look like a premium product.
I really don't like this loco... moreso the reasoning behind it...
A brass Princess sounds like a great idea!
@LocomotionMotion and with a brass Princess at least you could charge a bomb for it: but it would actually have value-added with its craftsmanship and quality materials.
This Hornby Princess: did you notice the valve gear? It hasn't even been assembled well; the l/s walschaerts link should be parallel to the piston rod, not doubled over like this job. The speedo housing is meant to be acute to the rear drive axle: this Princess has got it flailing around taking down small children in its wake. Minor things, but this is a supposed limited edition collectors piece. Not lard dipped in chocolate sauce and when it sits on its gold plated throne of track and annoying people like me see it and comment about walschaerts links being wrong who's fault is that? I didn't buy it as an investment property its still just a plastic Princess (albeit handsome) with gold earrings.
Interestingly the rather expensive first Hornby Princess was the splendid, but awkwardly proportioned 1937 0 model. Came in its presentation wooden box with its velvet lining, tastefully done.
You knew back in 1937 you had got your 5 quids worth. You knew you had something special.
It makes sense in terms of conductivity… but gold is a very soft metal so it would wear super fast…
Im getting a Bradford exchange vibe from the locos. 😂 chep and nasty 😅
thank you for the video. as you said, some facts just do nit meet very well like the gold plating is not done with passion, the numbers for a collectors item are to high with 5000 made, the model would have done better with more or better detailing, i.e. the seam on the boiler can be taken off by hand. As you mentioned, it will almost never run on a track but stay in the cabinet (in that vase wouldn't need the drivetrain).
i fully understand that companies need to stand out of the other producers with some unique selling point (had to look that up) and rather than earning money with hughe numbers of toytrains as in the seventies they now all address the serious model railroaders and collectors and this is something one can sell to a collector. the coloursceme is attractive with the lms version and there is a connection to the queen's jubilee but they might have tried harder with the certificate, the box and the details. you are right, it is a collectors item but does not raise in price. on the continent model companies some tome ago started to make limited editions from locomotives they paid the coloursceme for. another "funny" way to raise sells. If some company is really paying into new models and producing these in limited numbers and they are attractive i think it's a fair deal. even variations in colour and details can make a difference, i.e. if it picks out a local or regional specification, but hornby like märklin here is just creating a kind of money printer against gheir valued customers who try to keep the collection complete and i don't like this attitude. anyway, whoever likes it should feel happy to buy these as with the lms version it really makes a beauty in the glasscabinet.
best albrecht
Like yourself, I think these are an utter waste of time.
To me they are the crud which go through the auctions when a collection is released, and no one really wants them, clas they cannot be run and look terrible etc etc etc.
My local model shop likes them though for Gold Wedding Anniversary gifts from wives to husbands.
So there you are then, not every one thinks like you and surely that's a good thing isn't it?
Gday Stephen ,just a junk product from hornby. It's a bit of a running joke about the train pack. Goggle hornby Beatles and you will see it in all It's Glory. Cya Mate😅😅😅
I think it's for display only.
It's good for electric contact between wheels and rails
I'm probably the only person who regularly uses their gold plated locomotive lol. But, it was cheaper then trying to find a USA flying scotsman in the UK, and then mailing it across the pond
So it's a worse investment than buying the regular kind.
bachmann produced the lms jubilee silver jubilee withall the same parts in silver .. but theydid actually do tat to the silver jubilee
People are simply stupid, and very gullible!
Funny thing, you keep mentioning that the standard buyer of these items would put them on a shelf until they're ready to sell them, and while that does make sense, I can confirm that there are those who buy them to run. For instance, I bought the gold plated American Scotsman set because I was under the assumption that, due to the gold plating, the model would be an updated version of the original American Scotsman that they had made. This was a false assumption, as it had the same low quality you'd expect, as well as various missing or poorly fitted features, like an upside down knuckle coupler. In addition, every time I ran it, there was always several people saying "you're ruining the value of it", which like, if I planned to sell it, I would be. But I don't, so meh. At any rate, maybe you could try running the models you get for a fuller experience in the future? Other than that, it was a good review I'd say.
Any item that is "a collectors piece" for the sake if being just a collectors piece will almost never go up in value. Things that actually do become collectible are usually are desirable in other ways, such as unintended very short production run or some other unique livery or variant which was never specified as being a collectible. When people would eventually narrow down the available numbers through wear and tear thus making the pristine or well kept items valuable.
Its another thing if you think that these are cool and want one purely because of that but if you want an actual investment, you'd be better off buying an off the shelf run of the mill basic model and keeping it in good shape because it will most likely go up in value in the future with some sorta profit margin
Items become collectable when they no longer become available. Period.
This is why things like older Lego sets from the 50's or original Kenner Star Wars action figures will cost far more than "super totally special edition one out of 1000 totally real not a scam because it's double the price" item, because they've become more desirable over time with very few original production runs and a limited amount out there in the world without intentionally being "1 of 1000" or so on.
Christ, even some Lego sets from the early - late 2000's can cost almost triple their RRP due to them being discontinued and desirable to collectors.
Gold rolling stock would be pretty cool
A single truck for £99.99
For $90 Cad / 50 pounds you can buy a gold plating kit and do it yourself. Gold plated 0-4-0 anyone?
More " tat " from Hornby...🤣🤣 just a gimmick of the highest order..
Is it odd that I think the guy sounds like OOBill?
It's 00Bills Brother.
OOBill's accent sounds a bit like he comes from more northerly Scotland than where I am but you never know
@@LocomotionMotion I say that because it's not just the accent, but your voice does sound like him
I thought it was Frankie Boyle. But maybe that's all the sarcasm and ranting.
Agree ie while it looks alot better than FS, it's still tat. Did you actually buy it, and if so why? Ever since the day Hornby got into this stuff I have cringed on every release.
Just to show how little that model has been run, several pieces of the valve gear are incorrectly positioned and the eccentric crank for the speedomiter is rotated 180 degrees out of position. Chances are trying to run this model won't end well, and not just because of the damage to the gold plating.
Well spotted! I didn't notice that
Now roast the New marklin annoucment video
Oh! I missed that one. I was mulling over doing their ‘now’s the time’ advert… its plain disturbing
This is nothing against the 1980s serie of ARNOLD gauge n locomotives covered entirely in gold, but without motor. I dislike this concept so much - furthermore it is just an collectors item, with nobody wants today anmore (as I have seen so many of them lying like led in the model train reseller's shop etc.).
Pointless. Are Hornby trying to get yet more fools to part with yet more money? Half a thousand £££ for something you can't really use? The LMS Pacific looks well, but that's as far as it goes. The tragedy is that Hornby CAN produce excellent models at not too silly a price - the little Pecketts and Hunslets once again spring to mind...
Jesus wept. Are there really people buying gold plating models just to keep them in a cupboard then sell them on ebay in 30 years time thinking they have the modern equivalent of a Corgi Batmobile & Batboat still in its display box? It's like something out of A bit of Fry & Laurie "Ahhh well i drive a Vauxhall Nova Splash. It's a limited edition. I think they only made one-and-a-half million of them" 😂
They actually chose a pretty poor candidate to make that joke about, the nova is now relatively sought after in all forms from that period especially if it hasn't been modified. They go for pretty good money even with some millage on them and it's only getting harder to find a tidy example because of just how many ended up run into the ground or hedge or modified into something disgusting.
Lotta peoples first car as well who are now aging and want to relive something of their youth.
@@HamStrains there wasnt a Nova Splash,Fry & Laurie made that name up. However my mum did have a Nova with a special named run,i just cant recall what it was. It very nice. White exterior. Blue & grey seat interior.
@@owenyowenface I get that just in hindsight it kinda flops as a joke because they're actually collectable now if you kept them well.
@@HamStrains i thought i would just have a look online to see if i can find mums Nova. I believe it to be a Sprint,but the following names have also come up on forums. Whatever happened to just L,GL,GLS that Vauxhall used for the Cavalier Mark 2? First Dad car to have 5 gear & a casette player as standard y'know. 😁
swing
sting
club
nico
calypso
gem
pearl
ski
sola
antibes
fun
sport
Merit... they only made 3.4 million of them
@@owenyowenface probably weren't making them in all in a single year, like each year there would have been a couple of them with slight tweaks to update the styling and such. Still would be hard pressed to find any of them for sale in good original condition. Much less with that original tape deck still intact 🤣
Gold plating is for collectors not model railway market. Just like wagon with beatles liveries etc. If it makes money, why not? Not my thing but don't resent what other people get up to.
I argee gold wheel are Stupid look under real plus who can't real them.
Hornby are losing the plot , over priced when they said China production who make it cheaper
Cynical marketing from Hornby. However there must be some really gullable people around.
Cynical comment. I have this very model. It was presented to me by my wife for my fiftieth birthday. As such, it is a memorable treasure for which I cannot place any monetary value.
@@crewelocoman5b161 but the real value to you is that it was given by your wife on your 50th. Whatever your beloved wife had given you, you would cherish and treasure. In essence though, the model is what it is and my comment remains valid, even though you personally find it hurtful because of the personal bias. Sorry, but not sorry.
Well... I mean there's the guy who purchased it to make a video about it... 😮😅
@@johnhudghton3535 Which goes to prove the point I'm making. This hobby is much bigger than you or I and there's a multitude of reasons why people decide to collect the models they do. Just because they don't meet with your criteria (and most commentators to this thread) doesn't make them "really gullible". The manufacturers will produce models that sell and if that happens, good for them.
The gold plated models might as well be static. The entire mechanism and wiring is pointless as the model shouldn’t be run.
You could also make the model of your dreams for the cost of the Scotsman
I think it's uglyand tacky
You are forgetting one thing: collecting is in the eyes of the beholder. You might conclude that it is a waste of time and money but there are plenty of collectors out there who view differently and the reasons they collect are equally as varied. If you are complaining that gold plating is pointless as it will be ruined if the model is run or used, you are quite correct, but that is not the point is it? Even you had to admit that it did look "good". But to dismiss this as "insane" is just plain lazy To each their own. It's up to people to do as they wish with their collections and what constitutes collectability and Hornby whether you like it or not are responding to that market. Your upload is a prime example of click-bait as evidenced by most of the comments here.
I wonder then why this model has a motor in it?
@@LocomotionMotion For some in this hobby, if it didn't have a motor it's collectibility would be diminished. Irrational, yes, but that's the nature of collecting. It's the same rational as having all the paperwork, box and guarantee, packaging etc. You've only got to look at Wrenn models to see that in operation. There's at least two specialist Wrenn outlets on the web: Wrenn Connoisseur and Wrenn Specialist and Collector who cater for this market. So why shouldn't Bachmann and Hornby have a share too? Let me slay another myth about this sector. Not all by any means are particularly concerned about the value, or accruing of value for their collectables. It is mostly the act of ownership in itself. If there is an aspect of increasing value that just adds to the shine of owning the item. For some not even taking it out of the box is admissable.
All hobbies are obsessions to varying degrees. And there's plenty out there who believe model railways itself to be a nerd's paradise. Let me be clear: there is no doubt that you have produced a good video, interesting, informative, well structured etc. Where I take issue with you is that you have deliberately gone out of your way to pour scorn on this model because it does not conform to your ideal as to what this model should be and who it might be aimed at. As such you have achieved your click-bait idealized responses with contributors slagging it off, job done.