How Anyone Can Quickly Spot a Fake Logger
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2024
- How to know if someone is a real logger or a fake. If you saw someone cutting a tree down, how could you know if they were really a logger? I will tell you a couple ways. We will also get to watch a tree fall down. I cut down a couple trees and do a little logging with my tractor. The tractor is a Massey Ferguson MF 30 MF 34 with a Farmi tractor winch. These Douglas fir logs will go on my Woodmizer LT 15 sawmill to be cut into lumber.  the chainsaw I am using is a Stihl MS 462 with 32 inch bar. Do loggers really yell timber when they cut a tree down? Is a logger the same as a lumberjack? We will answer these questions too.
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Looks like this is another video where I need to make a clarification. The whole premise of real logger versus fake logger is a silly one to begin with. The purpose of this video was just to have a little fun, not to be taken too seriously.
Remember nobody has a since of humor anymore and only one feeling, lol. Thanks for sharing a part of yourself for us all!! PNW gets it......
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That place you keep referring to was formally called Acadia.
Nova Scotia? New Brunswick?@@lbatlas2
"I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok. I sleep all night and work all day. I cut down trees, I skip and jump. I like to press wildflowers. I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars" Remember Monty? Timber!!!
You can usually tell the real loggers when they get out of the truck, and they look hungover but they haven't had a drink in 5 days...
I've know alot of loggers and many were hungover alot, in the 60-70s
The number of camera changes while you were harvesting the logs. Was amazing. I can appreciate how many setups had to be done to get just the shot you wanted. Plus all the editing that goes in to making it interesting. You have more skills than I think you realize partner.
And it's greatly appreciated.
And I only forgot to turn the camera on maybe 5% of those camera changes. Thank you for the comment.
I say timber every time in my head like a little kid. lol
As they say, what happens in your head when you cut down a tree, stays in your head when you down a tree. 😁
Ya know what would be kinda cool? For us firewood guys and amateurs? If you showed the basics of chokers, how they work and give some details about skidding tricks and tips. Now, these things would seem obvious to you, but would be essential to us ! Thanks! God bless!
I thought that was what a lot of my channel was about but maybe I need more detail.
I’m a new subscriber….so I’ll dig into it more closely @@WilsonForestLands
Learned something new today….run winch line into the saw cut to skid. Thanks
I am sometimes asked to log a tree only because I own a couple chainsaws. I always tell them NO unless the tree is a hundred yards from ANYTHING 😂 Thanks for informative and sometimes amusing content! I appreciate it!
Hard to go wrong when a tree is 100 yards from anything. 😁
You made me curious so I looked it up. According to "Gaggle", Lumberjack was a Canadian term, just as you suggested, although it was coined in 1830"s.
Red and Black 'buffalo check' flannel was adopted in the 1850's so as to stand out in the forest and also so as not to be mistaken for a bear or deer by would-be hunters.
My grandfather was a logger in Michigan. He wouldn't yell 'Tim-ber' either, but instead he would yell "get the eff out of the way, jack-ass!"
Another good video, Wilson.....enjoyed it.
Tom
Interesting stuff, even older than I realized. I like what your grandpa yelled even better. 😂
Bears also wear checked flannel.
@@raincoast9010 That's why it's called "Buffalo Check", so we know the difference between bears in disguise and lumberjacks.....!😂
when I was a climber for a tree service we yelled "HEADACHE" B4 dropping a limb.
Several arborist have made the comment about yelling headache. I like it.
I would change headache to hole in one
If you see someone cutting a tree down and they yell out up the hill but the tree ends up going down the hill this is a good indication that they are not a real logger or if they are, they are at least not good at their job. LOL
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That are they forgot all their wedges and ax at home
Nice trick with the cable to divert the log away from it's in line neighour!
A roll with a kicker
Yes, I liked that. I used to be a choker man for a year or so and that's a pretty neat trick I never learned.
Yeah, snatchblocks are your friend. I think safe snatchblocks are one of THE major improvements over the equipment my father's generation had to work with.
@@HubertofLiegewe always just called that a parbuckle. It works really well on stump bound logs too.
@@georgevindo he’s also an okie choker
Well, I think that trick, or whatever you may want to call it, with the cable was the main thing to learn this time. Nice one.
I thought I should put at least one good bit of information in this video between all the nonsense. 😁
That is one of the first things learned by a skidder operator or catskinner if they are paying attention. It is also used to slide a log sideways to get it out from behind a stump.
I'm a lumberjack. And I'm okay. 😂
Do you wear women's clothing? 🤣
Just like my dear mahmah.
While eating spam spam and eggs.
I knew I was going to get some Python in the comments. 🤣
@@WilsonForestLands YEP ! It was unavoidable given your audience. BTW they beat me to it.
My first clue is they have a RUclips channel. LOL
I agree. When I use to work at a sawmill. I had people come to work saying that they worked at sawmills before. But the thing is. They couldn't stack or even know the kind of tree we was running out of the sawmill.
>we was
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I worked in the logging and sawmill industry for 40+ years. Gotta admit I’ve yelled timber a few times when I was a wee lad. Cool video Wilson. Watching you running through the woods and tripping, looked more like you were being chased by a bear.
I have never been chased by a bear so I wouldn’t know. It might be more like the way I run when I am being chased by yellowjackets. 😁
Liked the way you got one log out of the way with cable thank you for your time
I love your sense of humor! Greetings from Michigan.
...when they call them rakers or depth gauges instead of the proper 'thingy-mah-doodles in front of the teeth' they might not be a real logger...😁🤣
That may be the best one yet. I think you may have to do a follow up video on this one. 😂
Drags@@WilsonForestLands
I've never heard them called anything but rakers and I logged for several years, fell on the west coast too.
Mr. Wilson, I love your sense of humor. Keep it up and here is to another 30K in subscribers just around the corner 🍺 😉👍
Thank you Daniel. Maybe another 30 K if it will stop raining and snowing here and I can start getting more videos out again.
That second notch was flawless from that camera angle. Super smooth.
Another great video brother, thanks for the humor
I very much love this video, Mike. We need another visit. Take care, my friend .
Thanks Jeramy, I had a little fun with this one. Yep another visit would be good.
Oh no, he's doing slapstick now.
I think I crossed that line on this one.
I've heard arborists yell "HEADACHE" prior to dropping branches or logs out of a tree. One of those arborists logged in Alaska during the summers but would work as an arborist near his hometown during the fall and winter.
Some like to reserve "headache" for emergency use and "stand clear" for intended falling objects.
Its very common in construction trades too.
@@georgevindo I know rock climbing has its own version. Anything going over the edge is "ROCK." It doesn't matter if it is actually a rock, a rope, a harness, etc.
I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
He's a lumberjack, and he's okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavatory
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea
If you see someone signing this song, is the real way to know if they are a lumberjack!
@AlanW wait so do real lumberjacks watch Monty Python and sing the songs or only the fake ones? Gotta entertain while sharpening the chains late at night somehow.
I found your lumberjack comment funny, because that's exactly what you are and so am I.
to me a logger only logs. A lumber jack logs, saws lumber, and sells it.
Hmmm, well that puts a new twist on things. You just threw a cog in my wheel and I’m having a hard time pulling it out because what you say might actually make sense. 😂
I worked in a mill for10 years and have used a lumber jack, a 12 inch roller mounted on a tripod used to load lumber in a boxcar.I then worked in the woods for 40 years and saw a lot of logs and loggers but no lumberjacks.If you called a logger a lumberjack you'd run a good chance of getting your nose flattened.
In what now seems so distant in my memory I got called a timber tramp ( bucking and splitting firewood at random sites for daily pay ) but I never stayed around long enough to be called anything else so the terminology escapes me but it was great work and a lot of very interesting people.
When limbing once it's down.... specially with multiheaded or alot of main branches ones (like oaks, maples.... decideous trees), I start by cutting off the tips of theses branches, or the top of the hole tree. So you don't risk getting rolled over on by the tree getting unballanced to quickly by loosing main limbs. But don't tell anyone, i'm not a logger. It's just my sport.⚜️
To make a confession myself, I have done that too on occasion. I won’t tell if you won’t.
Now that was slickly done -- using the cable under tension to 'nudge' the closer log out of the way, so as not to pull both logs (10:10 mark)
You oughta be a teaching this in Tree School.
(Yes, folks, Tree School is a thing. Look it up, sponsored through Oregon State University Extension.)
Well done, sir and another likeroo!
Cheers from your impressed neighbour to the North.
Up here we call it Lumberjack School. If you’re a woman, or identifying as such, you go to Lumberjill School.
"Up here"? How much further North are you than Oregon?@@Bushman9
@@lpeterman Well, Canada!🇨🇦
Ah, well alright then.
As a transplanted BC boy, now in the Willamette Valley, I concede to your (current) Northerliness.@@Bushman9
@@Bushman9 Lumberjill School- somehow I figured somebody would come yup with that... I was surprised Mr Wilson didn't. You two should do comedy together...lol
Mr Wilson, Did you ever wonder why it wasn't lumber joe, or lumber bill, lumber bob hey maybe lumber sue...lol, after all there was a boy named sue... I better quit and leave the funnies to you.
Actually yes I have wondered these things. 😁
GREAT VIDEO ......
hi there nice work john
It’s great weekend work I use a 1953 Ferguson tractor here in Aus.
'I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay', but then I'm old and a Brit. Monty Python were gods.... Spent the last 2 weeks working as a saw man knocking over hardwoods, sectioning to spec and bunching for a forwarder. Bet that's different words. Soaked to the bloody skin 'cos it rained for days at a time is pretty universal......
I lined up my first logging gig with a buddy up on Forest Creek Rd back in '86. We were 16. The old timer said, "Have you boys done this kind of work?" We said, "Sure, we do this all the time!" He responded, "Well, you'll figure it out."
I can just see an old timer saying that. I have known a few like that. 😁
ALL the loggers who do commercial logging know the Tooter whistle codes
Yep those are the real real loggers who are out of my league.
Except there are a lot of loggers out there who only use skidders and have never been on a job with a yarder
Whistle punk
@@johns3106 or the heli just drops the logs in the drink.
Only in high lead applications.
A good post would be on your choice of chainsaws, why you run a long bar like David/Kelsea, if you can buck/split and haul out to an easier to get out of delivery/storage area, why you do not use an X27 splitter, which maul you do use, how to use a truck/cable to "squeal out" logs like David does if we do not have a tractor/logging winch, if you have a first aid kit/what is in it, if you carry an emergency locator like the Garmin, and so more stuff. But what you do is perfect also. Thanks, Bob in Nevada
I also watch David & Kelsie. Thoes 2 are fun to watch and be around, too..😉👍
All good suggestions. I think some of those I have done videos on. I will probably be doing one about my choice of chainsaws soon. I am not familiar with David and Kelsea. I have several videos using truck and cable to yard logs. Not sure if it’s the same as what they do. I will have to check them out.
All this "he-man" lumberjack talk flying around makes me wanna charge up my DeWalt tree trimmer so i can yell, "TIMBER"
Best one yet. Timber.
You sir ,are a great Lumberjack ! Thanks for sharing this video .I like your cable trick skidding the logs ,only a true Lumberjack would know how to do that !
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The term Lumber Jack is from the days of hand logging , the used jacks to fall and move massive coastal logs . Exactly what the did is a mystery to me as it was before the day’s of machinery . But somehow they got the logs into the water . 👍🇨🇦
@@cameronhamer9432 We laid wooden poles down as rails and rolled them out.
@@georgevindo my Dad started out horse logging , cross cut saw and a axe , wasn’t until after WWll until he got his first powersaw . The coastal timber here is massive , moving those giant’s by hand is a art all of it’s own . 👍🇨🇦
I always yell headache being a tree climber,Cutting from above. Buts it's always a pleasure to prune ankle high stay safe.
When working with someone in the woods, instead of yelling “TIMBER” I prefer to do this;
I wait until they are right in the path the tree will take when it falls and then, pointing AWAY from the tree, I’ll yell “HEY!! LOOK AT THAT!” While they’re distracted, I drop the tree. It’s a lot of fun to watch their reactions. Some day I’ll make a visit and show you how it works.
Your good friend
Dave
Dave, I can totally see you doing that. 😂
Min 9:27 that's a sharp 👌🏼 fan chain brotha big rooster tail wood chunks
Square ground chain with aggressive rakers. I like good sharp cutting tools. 😁
I like that choke method when skidding. Setup the cable so it pulls the one log away from the other.
Its called a par buckle.
I enjoy your vids, is that chainsaw a 70cc with a 36" bar?
Nice lumberjacking timber guy lol
😂
Well for one, you just started out asking for a barber chair, but hey look how long those slabs will be right 😂
Well I could go there, but I won’t 😂😂😂
I think this is more a case of how to identify whether someone's ever been a faller or not. there is an entire generation of loggers now that have never hand fell a tree. There are also many other occupations in logging that don't require you to be falling trees at all processor operators loaders yarders none of those require you to know about falling.
here in north Italy we scream attention before the back cut, if we are sure that is stable till that point, else before.the other things that I look for real or fake logger is looking if they look at the sky when are cutting.🙂
I always thought it’s whether you stir your coffee with your thumb?! 😅
To tell the truth we put up signs saying active logging in progress KEEP OUT With skidders loaders going who gonna here someone yell TIMBER I dont want to hurt anyone but a lot of firewood cutters are not the best to meet with a logging truck
Thank you for the wonderful videos. I thought the term lumberjack was something that is mostly associated with a person that featured in tv comedies and wears shorts. Greetings from Bulgaria
We do horse logging with the Amish.
One guy has an old Cletrac.
They all use chain.
Do you have a video how to set choker cables?
I've seen videos mostly in BC but never saw how they work.
Don't forget if they set the saw on the ground and stick their foot in the handle to start it. Drop start that bad boy like a real man!!!
I'm going to start yelling timber now. Bring it back ya know.
I would also think that if you were out on a mountain side and you were working with a few other guys who were felling tree's, then you might want to yell out uphill! That way based on the sound of your voice in relation to where the other guys were? They could determine which direction the tree was falling?
Did I just hear you say lumberjack 6 times 🤣
What? I didn’t! Oh wait, I did! Uh oh, this doesn’t look good for me. 😂
Your baby Yarder is quality
In Minnesota how do I yell directions? Up the flat, down the flat, and around the flat?
You lucky man. I had to quit operations here on my patch in TN as its raining and muddy as all get out. I don't know why the call it that, because if I went down my hill now I don't think I would get out. Mind you, you can keep that white stuff there
I quit most of my operations all winter because it was muddy. We got this one week of snow, now it’s melting and back to mud again. I ended the video right there because that’s as far as I could get the logs until some of the mud dries out in the road ahead of it. Good point you make with “muddy as all get out.” 😂
Hilarious. ❤
Hi Wilson :-) Quick question for you: What constitutes a "forest," per se? Similar to the age-old question of "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop," how many trees (of any sort, or at least of the foresty-type of trees, if there is such a thing) does it take to make a forest? I just want to know if I *have* a forest, or if I just have a nice stand of trees. Thanks so much in advance. 🙂
It's all about the costume. That's the easiest way to tell 😂
I would have mentioned that but I didn’t because my costume is only about half right for a real logger. 😁
that's the reason real cowboys went to wearing bedroom slippers, so as you could tell them from all the line dancers and truck drivers.
I had someone once jokingly tell me to put the tree back and do it again because I forgot to yell timber 😂
No, sir..."lumberjack" is a real professional term. I know, because I saw the song about them on Monte Python. 🙂
"I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, I sleep all night, I work all day..."
I enjoy your videos...thanks for taking to the time to share them!
I knew I was going to get some Python comments. 😁
It's interesting that your basis on somebody's experience is their regional dialect. Over here on the East Coast you yell timber to alert fellow loggers that you're falling a tree whether it's in a direction or not. Over here on the East Coast lumberjack is a term that is used in the logging industry. We have an 80-foot statue to Paul Bunyan a lumberjack for instance. It would be interesting how you would do over here on the East Coast with your West Coast terminology people probably wouldn't know what the hell you were talking about either. Thanks for watching my videos never claimed to be a professional longer by the way 😂 and it's funny you refer to a land far far away yes 3,000 mi away into you I guess Canada is another land.
Perhaps you are taking this video too seriously?
As an arborist I yell " headache " and " back cut " depending
Headache, I like that one. Another arborist mentioned they say back cut. That makes a lot of sense.
My nickname has been lumberjack for 45 years. A term bestowed on me by the old timers I worked with. Now you're telling me my whole adult life has been a lie 😮💨 hope you're happy......😉😂🤣
Sometimes we have these moments where we realize, we have to do some real reflecting on our lives. 😂
@@WilsonForestLands that's alright, I've scheduled counseling 🥹
I thought fallers normally were a bit solitary when falling, far enough apart to not interfere with each other. Why yell, they know where each other are at for the most part and can hear the saw running.
In the PNW I have $3k into trying to get a tree permit for an arborist to cut a tree like that in my yard.
Me "logger". Got a license. 😁
I usually say timber after it hits the ground!!!!
I never yell "timber"
We always yell "lumber", jack.
😂
I always thought you could tell by the color of their chaps. If they are black and covered in little rips, he was worth talking to. If they were green he either lost his when they blew out the back of the truck or just got his stitch’s out. Orange means, well probably means they were sold out of green but not sure, nobody ever wore orange if they could help it. Course first they they teach you is to wear bright colors when being filmed so maybe it means he’s a decent videographer 😉👍🏼
My father was a bricklayer.
He claimed he could tell a real bricklayer before he ever even picked up a trowel.
They would all look the same, having the same dumb look about them. lol
It is easy to see the amateurish protective equipment they use. If they don't have a proper helmet with hearing protection, safety pants and safety shoes, they are amateurs.
["How To Know if Someone is Not a Real Logger"]
Any problem with mills taking bug kill/damaged logs?
They used to take bug kill logs no problem. In recent years they started dropping the price they would pay for bug kill. Now the mill I would be using says they don’t even want them. That’s one of the main reasons I bought a sawmill. So I could mill some of the logs the mills don’t want.
Funny
Real loggers
The flat headed burrower kills the tree but how does the tree die ? Is it basically being 'ringed' where there's no bark left or sapwood allowing the tree to absorb nutrients or water ??
What if they say there are a faller or bucker or catskinner or bullbucker
lol
To communicate accurately, just before falling, I always yell the precise direction in decimal degrees. In my youth, I’d call out using degrees, minutes, and seconds, but after a few mishaps, I realized this was too cumbersome.
For example, yelling, “DDD° MM' SS.S" 32° 18' 23.1" N 122° 36' 52.5" W,” can be misunderstood over an idling chainsaw. Maybe due to the quantity of alphanumerics.
So I just stick to numbers, for example, “32.30642° N 122.61458° W.” This can be preceded by a phone call or text message.
Remember, keep it simple and be safe!
Bob Dylan once claimed that he had a job in the great north woods working as a cook for a spell. He never did like it all that much, and one day the axe just fell.
Well, I do have a Jammer...Does that count?
I guess it was my body double Falling Timber for the last 30 years....lol I will find him, and bring him in for interrogation...
An amateur stands still and watch the tree fall, a pro walks away from the stump and prepare the next step. When a tree starts falling I often say "Yep!" to my self and the tree... 'cause there is no one else around.
Best way to quickly spot a REAL logger is on a logging crew, operating with all the necessary permits and equipment. Otherwise, it is probably "Harry Homeowner" cutting some trees. :)
Sorry MR Wilson I got nothing today, but I do want to ask how much snow did you end up getting???
Just a little over 12 inches. It would melt during the day a little then snow a little more every night until it was back up to about 12 inches. It did that same thing for about five days. It finally quit a few days ago and is now melting.
How to tell a weekend logger? When the tree starts to fall, they keep cutting... Let the hinge do its job & get out of the path of potential entertangled dead branches above. No reason whatsoever to hang around & keep cutting the hinge..
Thats right ya dont yell timber ya yell lumber. Timbers whats standing.
😅 I used to heli log in British Columbia and a lot of new guys would ask me which trees they should choke as I was the hooktender,I would just say logs then look at them for a response. It usually took a while for them to figure it out.
@@Whateva67I love that!!!
Timber also what's just been laid on the ground.
@@georgevindo we also had a guy that called the chokers cables so his new nickname was cables,I’m still friends with him almost thirty years later 😎
So the new Wilson ( timber ) lands t shirts won't say official lumber jack on them? Or timber!!! across the back.....
Not the official ones. If they do, that’s how we will know if they are the counterfeits. 😁
I like to yell "Falling!", whether it's limbs being dropped or a tree being felled.
I'm also definitely not a logger.
If you are working on a step slope the one thing you don't want to hear is? Rollie. If you do you better dive for cover like a ground squirrel looking for it's hole in the ground before you get squashed.
How about heads-up
Another telltale indicator of an imposter: Someone that refers to the bar and chain of a saw as “the blade”.
As for yelling “timber”, I can cite an exception. No one who knew my father would ever dispute he was a real logger. And there was one circumstance where he would yell “timber” as the tree went down and that was on the rare occasion when some small child was present to watch.
The amazing thing is so many people are paid more than we are for doing work less useful than beating snow with a stick.
Maybe one day the snow beating with a stick technicians will rise up and we will have our day.
a 3 foot bar
No it’s only 32 inch.