West Wing - That's when I decided to kick your ass
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"Did the agent have family? How are they?" "How's CJ taking it?" Any number of things besides going to the boogie-man of "Crime" followed by "I don't know" was horrible. Respectful silence would have been better. Such a great scene.
The underlying subtext here is that Republicans don't give a rat's ass about anyone outside their circle of rich friends. Certainly not the Secret Service, whom they think of as "the help" (according to some of Reagan's inner circle) and not the underlings like the Press Secretary. No, they're only interested in things that affect them, and their rich friends. Which is a very interesting subtext here. Almost everyone misses it.
@@lancer525 That is not the subtext here.
The underlying subtext here is that the man is too "ignorant" to have an thoughtful response to a Secret Service Agent being murdered. He is too "ignorant" as evidenced by the fact that he is a republican. If he had an intelligent, meaningful response to the President telling him that tragic news, then he would cease being a republican.
This is what Aaron Sorkin thought of the republican party. That is the subtext. You know why I say that? Because Aaron Sorkin believes that only the President (and not the Governor) has any rich friends.
Both wrong. It’s not about Reps or Dems in this moment. This scene portrays a candidate ill suited for the office due to his approach to the politics. He’s blissfully ignorant so that he can appear to the people as one of them and that’s why they should vote for him. They spell that out for you. His response is indicative of that almost as if he had to respond and that was his instinct because of the campaign he is running. There are and always have been politicians on both sides of the aisle that do this.
The West Wing, while being quite heavily left leaning most of the time, is an indictment of Washington and the political system and that’s what the subtext is here. Governor Richie is the side of the unengaged and the uninformed, that appears to be the every-man, and President Bartlet is the side of academic and the informed that can both alienate but assure the public in a leader. Sorkin’s writing shows both sides of this debate as it has been a tale as old as America itself. There’s a middle ground to find and the show describes and produces that middle ground in its 7 seasons while being honest and imperfect.
If you don’t believe me and want to see Sorkin write from a right-leaning perspective, watch The Newsroom. It’s even more of a mirror-thrust to the American political system from the viewpoint of those covering it and not those inside it.
Paul Colburn that is not it at all. There are plenty of republicans portrayed in the show as genuinely good people.
@@jasonkoch3182 Ainsley. And a couple others. But Ainsley wasn't running for office. This moron was.
This is the best exchange of the entire series. James Brolin's trance channeling of G.W. Bush was astonishingly accurate. Vote smart, my fellow Americans.
I couldn't believe it when GWB's following asked, "Which candidate would you rather have a beer with...?" As if that question should even enter into a debate about the "more capable" candidate. Basing your vote on feeling good about the personality of a candidate (aka trusting your gut) is unconscionable. You're not voting for a cheerleader or has your same personality or your same biases...you SHOULD BE voting for their governing acumen. Long after the elected personality has proved inadequate to overcome their incapacity to govern, you are going to have to deal with the damage that they cause. this is what the Trump Era has proven. Vote smart...and THINK CRITICALLY...
They did not. 2009 came.
"They're playing my song" is such a great line.
Yes ma'am, it's a very great line; as lines go.
But when the POTUS "closes the meeting" by saying, "That's when I decided to, kick your ass".
Talk about a awesome way of getting the last word!
Bernie Williams is amazing in concert. He is still the soft spoken guy that Yankees fans know and love, but his enthusiasm for classical guitar shines through and makes for a fun and engaging show.
(For anyone unaware, Bernie Williams is the baseball player mentioned in the clip)
I am a San Francisco Giants fan. The Yankees organization of the 1990s was amazing. The core four (Jeter, Petitte, Posada and Rivera) as well as Bernie Williams and Paul O'Neill as well as others. I was unaware of the classical 🎸 guitarist abilities of Bernie Williams. I do love the acting and writing within The West Wing. "Oh, I don't know, crime" (after a SS on CJs detail had been shot and killed).
I saw Bernie Williams play some years ago. It is magic what that man could do with a guitar. The amazing thing to me, was that he made it look so effortless, and he got so lost in the music it was spellbinding...
The combination of the actors and the writing is what made "The West Wing" such an absolute stand out show. There are so many scenes like this one that make your heart both choke up and cheer at the same time.
STTDB!
I find it amazing how accurately this show forecasted today's American politics.
yep sad how many celebrate ignorance and being dumb these days
Ritchie is basically a less egregious version of Donald Trump. I mean he's not trying to steal elections like Trump was but he doesn't attempt to be intelligent either.
It never did any predictions (save for commentary on future technology like the integration of the internet), rather it was examining what had always been there in politics at that time rather than how it would be structured now.
If getting an education and being thoughtful about what you say and trying to be objective at all times is elitist I'm fine with that.
It's actually the opposite
It's fine to appreciate of being these things, its bad ('elitist') if you ignore those who choose (or unable to to not choose) those that don't. Too many people quip against people who vote for politicians thats policies would ultimately harm them, but do little to try and understand / empathise / or counter the influences that make them do it... finding it easier to judge and look down... which is why they are called elitist. I hate Trump and what he has done to american politics, but if the left can't see that he enfranchised a not insignificant demographic and continue to judge and look down on them, then they will continue to fail to achieve their progressive agenda.
If you try to be objective at all times you fail at being a human being. Subjectivity is essential in your close personal relations.
@@rutger5000 I'm not sure, if I agree with you or not. Depends on the situation.
@@rutger5000 That is the *exact* opposite of the truth. Subjectivity is what causes humans to develop biases and bigotry, and it encourages discrimination, classism, and racism. Subjectivity is nothing more than picking and choosing, for often arbitrary reasons, what you're going to support, do, like, and encourage. To be objective means things like skin color, who you choose to love, or what you believe in are irrelevant, as they all should be. You objectively examine what people require for equity, and don't subjectively put them in pigeonholes, doling out to only those who meet your specific, arbitrary qualifications. Without objectivity, you cannot be empathetic. Without empathy, you cannot be human.
0:47 “Are you taking this personally?”
It’s called ‘projection’, governor, thinking that other people will react the same way you would, often in aggressive ways.
It’s something immature people do.
Loved the delivery of the last few words "... those are just a few of the many reasons why." Such smoldering hatred in his voice
One of my favorite scenes from the whole series which is saying something. I've watched the entire series 4 times.
Maybe if the govenor had just said something like, "God that's horrible I'm sorry." With regards to the death, it'd be more humane.
If the governor had said that, he'd have been human, displaying empathy, intelligence, and compassion.
@@lancer525 And would have opened a conversation about gun control, which Richie did not want to start there.
The notable point here is that Bartlett is TRYING to talk to the governor person-to-person, but the governor is only engaging with Bartlett as if the president were a prop of everything he dislikes. Bartlett's point about the governor being profoundly apathetic is a genuine personality trait that's very obvious to see once he mentions it. In contrast, the governor's laundry list of things he doesn't like about Bartlett are vague boilerplate buzzwords, some of which ("You're Hollywood") don't even apply to the New Hampshire-raised Bartlett. The governor doesn't even think of Bartlet as a human, he's just a symbol of the Democrat party that's in his way.
Oddly, Bartlett isn’t human, but just a symbol of Sorkin’s idea of a good Democratic President, as Josh Brolin was his idea of a bad Republican candidate (or Texan candidate), and Alan Alda his successors’ idea of a good Republican candidate (assuming that they DIDN’T kill John Spencer to give an excuse for Congressman Santos’ unlikely win, as a friend jokingly claimed).
We need a politician like Bartlett in real life.
You have quite a few of them already, but "Boy, I don't know" gets elected instead, every damn time.
People would hate him like all the others, about 2 months after taking office.
Obama was in the ballpark.
be one.
The most important & telling part of this conversation? When one man openly admits to his opponent that he didn’t know anything followed by the other taking the advice offered as a personal slight. Have all the camps & workshops you want Richie, the chasm in maturity will always be insurmountable.
Why can't we have television like West Wing anymore?
When did being an intellectual become a crime in this country? Wouldn't you WANT an intellectual to be the most powerful man in the world? What are we, the USSR?
When reality started to conflict with literal interpretations of the Bible.
For some reason even getting an education is politicized in the US. If you go to college or get a masters degree/PhD, you're a soft liberal out of touch with farm folk values. I can't stand how politicians pretend to be folksy and use bad grammar on purpose when on the campaign trail, esp in red and swing states. It's honestly insulting. Thee is honour in being a farmer or trucker or someone who doesn't need a college degree but republicans make it seem like going to college is grounds for vilification now.
@@missyquill5709 They've been doing that for over 60 years. It is one of the easiest ways of separating the "common folk" from the evil librul bookish ones. People, for whatever reason, right or wrong, still think that someone with education and high intelligence is somehow different and that being one of the regular common people is how most people really are. Therefore, it gives that person a group to identify with, and people always respond better to those with whom they think they have something in common. It's a way to appeal to the LCD without appearing to be patronizing or sarcastic.
@@lancer525 I spent a few years stationed in Germany, and according to my friends there, one of the biggest insults you can give to a German is to say they are not an intellectual.
For the record the Soviet union had around a 98% graduation rate for their highschool level. They were about 75% for a bachelor level. They were over 50% for a master's level. They had a 3 or ,4 week paid vacation depending on the years. And yes, the right in the USA has framed that their ignorance is equal to education. We see it with the press in their bothsides-erism way of bringing people on
1:20 You can see the look of Bartlet just stopping for a moment and think, “Huh. Okay. I’m going to kick his ass six ways to Sunday.”
It was a great shame that the character of Rob Richie was not developed more - this scene and the debate episode were basically the only time we saw him.
It was Aaron Sorkin's response to George W. Bush being elected president
Terrible shame that he didn’t get the kind of screen time that Vinick got.
Ritchie was so shallow that what we got to see was all that he really was. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Quite possibly my favorite scene in my favorite series.
So many to choose from in that show...
This was about twenty years old and yet there are so many times I watch the West Wing and hear so many things that are still an issue today. When did we lower the standards that we have for people who want to lead? When did we stop valuing intelligence and start focusing on beating the other side to a pulp, to the point where nothing can get done?
Imagine if Bartlett was running against Trump...if only.
Sorkin as a speech writer would make BIDEN's SHUT-UP MAN small change.
A candidate with Bartlett's intellect, wit, and integrity wouldn't stand a chance in the primaries.
Imagine if an honest politician had run against Trump in 2016!
@@mja91352 She did. Morons in the South and Midwest prevented her from being a good President.
Trump would be saying Bartletts real name is Estevez and he should be deported lol
Just imagine had James Comey kept his mouth shut..could have avoided having Gov Ritchie.
Classic Bartlet… damn, he was good.
If we could find a democrat like President Barret I would vote for him even though I am a conservative libertarian. The politics of today is the height of insanity. It is time we found the common ground that we actually do have
The fact that you call for people to find common ground says you are not a libertarian.
@@tomsampson8084 Your May decide as you see fit. However, politically, I am a libertarian. If you don't like that, it's not my problem
I think that no politician is as bad as what the other side thinks of them. Its not the caliber of politicians, its how parties demonize their opponents
@@tomsampson8084 finding common ground is how things get done. If you can negotiate a win-win situation, all the better. Politics is supposed to be the art of compromise.
Vote for decent human beings, regardless of political affiliation. It's really not that hard.
The thing is, "Ron" here *IS* stupid, and he's insecure and prickly about it; he keeps trying to find ways to be offended all the way through the scene.
01:43 I wasn’t, if you were smarter you would’ve known that.
What episode and season is this?
This would have been the end of season 3. Episode 22 I believe.
Dan Felder Thank you
What massive projection and gaslighting the governor is doing to Bartlett.
"I'm not prideful and elitist, *you're* prideful and elitist!"
2 things. Why have the thumbnail be Jed talking to the butterball hotline?
“Crime, boy, I don’t know” is the proof that he didn’t have what it took to be president.
Maybe because he's talking to a butterball.
@@WorldNews92 The thumbnail is him talking to the butterball hotline. The scene is him telling the governor when he decided to kick his ass. Two completely different scenes. Both just as good. But misleading. That’s why I’m asking.
I keep thinking of this over and over after Trump said “Gettysburg. WOW”. In the future if you’re wondering, Gettysburg, WOW is when I decided to kick your ass. I really want Biden to steal this line from TWW.
Then again I’m a TWW nut.
Shout out to Bernie Williams
The other way around.
The best response from the governor would have been ‘the moment you called a classical guitar a book is when I decided to kick yours.‘
No right-wing #conservitard is able to think that quickly on their feet, or smart enough to come up with anything like that. They're so anti-intelligence/anti-intellectual that they make themselves as stupid as possible.
@@lancer525 In response, I give you two words: John McCain. He was a brilliant and tolerant intellectual who was perhaps the last true Republican. But in a general sense, I agree. There are quite a few Republican staff members who are like that. That’s why McCain lost.
@@samsouyave-murphy986 I agree with you about John McCain, except that he ran in the wrong year (also he let them force Palin on him), there is no way anyone would have been able to stop Obama in 2008.
I think the only way McCain was ever going to be president was if Gore had won in 2000.
"The moment you said you'd decided to kick my ass is when I decided to kick yours".
And if it appears at times as if I don't like you that's the only reason why.
And if it appears from time to time as if I don't like, well those are just a few of the many reasons why.
He tried to copy him but failed with poor memory, so the president reminds him of something he was sure to otherwise forget.
Lousy volume on the audio.
Hard to hear the dialog.
TIP: Turn up the volume on your vids.
SS Agent Jesus Christ , he got killed by a punk.
He was overconfident. He should have known better to assume there was only one robber...this is something they teach day 1 in in active shooter situations: Always assume there's another gunman.
It's ok, when they struck him down, he became more powerful than they could possible imagine-he became a Marine.
@@JnEricsonx Yet he lost the ability to get a decent haircut and started spouting BS such as "Don't ever apologize. It's a sign of weakness".
@Dan210871 I enjoy Jethro (and Mark Harmon) more than I probably should, but I totally agree with your comment. I’ve spent my entire motherhood trying to teach my sons that an apology is a sign of strength, compassion and humility, especially when it comes from a place of sincerity. I’ve also taught them that the insincere apology can come from a place of compassion, emotional intelligence or even smartassery, and is also sometimes the right thing to do.
It would have been great if Ritchie had said, “Conflating classical guitar and books is when I decided to kick yours.”
The West Wing really was elitism at its finest
Big Raf Not really, Bartlet was completely right there. What you’re advocating for is selective populism.
God forbid the leader of a country knows what he's doing.
This, unironically.
When did intellectual become a dirty word? What exactly does it take to be an elitist? What are we, the U.S.S.R?
@@Strategic_Reformer only the elite understand that to be called that is a compliment
Every time I see a clip from The West Wing it reminds me of a Democrat masturbatory fantasy of how they see themselves..
Except it’s not, but thanks for letting us all know you’re about as useful as a warm toilet seat.
It’s a shame. Sorkin is usually a great writer until he starts lecturing and getting pompous. We could have had a great scene, awesome dialogue (which Sorkin is capable of). But Sorkin doesn’t like conservatives, and refuses to write for them. It’s a pity he’s so intolerant and exclusive, but hardly a surprise. Writing the other side’s viewpoint isn’t easy, but it’s worth it. Imagine how great it would be if we got that!
We did get that.... we got ainsley, the lawyer guy with donna, and mathew perry.
This isn't about conservatives this is about a jackass....
@@TheBloodypimp Ok, so translation: way later on, Sorkin gave a few token roles as right leaning folks to other folks. You’re absolutely right, this IS about a jackass, question is, are we talking about Sorkin, Bartlet, or both?
@@kennethos8089 . . .
I'm done talking to you. As an fyi.... all three came before this joke of a candidate. And if you think that "boy crime, i don't know" is a good answer or that ignorance is a good excuse for being callous well.....
You just called 3 beautiful characters which i love.... tokens.... so i wish you a good day and and piss off.
@@kennethos8089 You really are typical of the idiot #conservitard when your only recourse is to pull out that "I know you are but what am I" crap because you can't admit you're a failure.
@@lancer525 I’m asking for better writing from a confessed lefty writer. If that automatically prompts ad hominem attack from you, I guess we know the score! Thank you for elevating the discourse. You are the smartest one today, no question!
I hate this show! It never shows the mistake's a President makes and will! Thank God I'm a Republican!
That makes no sense whatsoever.
You haven't watched this show.
Plenty! HUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@CMOT101
Well you’ve got lots of real world experience with the mistakes made by the orangutan
Tell me you’ve never watched The west Wing without telling me you’ve never watched The West Wing.