Nalbantov makes a piezo mic that attaches to your barrel and comes with a tap bit so you can drill a threaded hole. Not sure why, but I feel better about drilling a hole in a barrel than a mouthpiece. I love the sound, captures every note equally, no phantom power and zero feedback or bleed, even standing right in front of the drum set and speaker. Also you can control the level you send to get the most sound without air and key noise.
For recording Duduk many microphone types will work. Your Zoom will be fine. Its important to check for a good position though to get a balanced sound.
Hey Axel! Great video, thank you for sharing! I have a quick question. Did you use an AMT preamp or wireless system to capture the AMT clarinet mic? Trying to figure out the best way to use my AMT microphone in my home studio... Thank you!
I don't own a AMT-Preamp. The AMT mics have mini-xlr-cables. You can either use the XLR-phantom-power-adapter to go into a mixer or interface or use the AMT wireless systems or Shure/Sennheiser systems. Both ways work fine.
Yesterday I was played on stage with very loud pop band use regular sm58 mic, my clarinet sound thin.. poor me :( This piezo methode maybe i wanna try for the next gigs. Thanks
For loud pop gigs, you should use two mics, one at the bell and one pointed at your left hand. Keep them close to the clarinet and you can get a better signal.
Thanks a lot ! I will get me a Rumberger K1 X ( new version - no idea, what they have changed). And I'm thinking about a wireless connection, like the Sennheiser Sennheiser XSW 2-Ci1. There is another one (Sennheiser EW 100 G4-Ci1), which is even more expensive, so I'm trying not to think about that one. But the description of both deals mainly with bass + guitar, so I'm wondering if this really makes sense for the tone spectrum of a clarinet. And 'wireless' means less sound-quality anyway, I suppose. Any advice about that ?
Without more info on genre and setting that's hard to answer. For big=loud pop settings I would recommend a clipmic for Alto (AMT LS, DPA 4099 or Shure BETA98). For smaller stages and/or more "acoustic" or less loud settings (jazz/chamber music) I would recommend a dynamic mic like Sennheiser 441 or a Ribbon mic like AEA R84 for Alto. For clarinet a Rumberger WP1X Pickup is a good choice for loud environments (no spill).
What do you think about this mic on bari sax in a very loud environment? I'm really impressed with the sound on clarinet especially when you consider isolation from stage wash
To be honest, I would use a normal clipmic with a barisax, since it gives you more detailed high&highmid-frequencies. (I am using the AMT for all saxophones). The Rumberger-pickup works very well for clarinet and bassclarinet, when you need less highs and high mids but more bass. It really delivers a fat low end without ANY spill from other instruments though.
Did you apply some echo or reverb to your samples? I think I would have prefered your raw sound... are you trying to mask your tone and at the same time make us listen to your tone? Isn't that a paradox?
As I wrote in the video description: I added some reverb and a slight compression. Not to mask anything, but to create a sound that most of us "know" when hearing a clarinet. All settings a identical for all the microphones though.
Thank you for this video, it’s hard to find high level discussion of clarinet mics. SD Systems also makes a double-mic for clarinet: store.sdsystems.com/lcm82-for-clarinet.html I’ve used it for live playing as well as recording (using it along with a room mic, in my case an Audio Techinca condenser). I also bought an AMT because one of the SD mic wires was dirty and crackling, but I had two issues with the AMT. First, the preamp had no volume, EQ, or mic balance controls, unlike the SD. Having those controls gives you some options live so that you’re not totally at the mercy of the sound engineer. Second, the AMT sounded great live, but terrible when I tried to record. For whatever reason the signal processing on the SD preamp made for a cleaner sound that was more well-rounded for recording, and not so dry. And again the controls on the pre-amp helped a lot, too. The attitude behind the AMT design seems to be “we know best how you should sound, so why should you be allowed to adjust your gain, emphasize highs or lows in the sound, etc.” The AMT is still useful for live playing and in fact less cumbersome physically to use, but I got a handy friend to fix the wire on the SD so it was usable again. It just sounds so good! Recently I’ve started recording the SD mic(s) on one track and the room mic on another and splitting them left and right to produce a fabulous stereo affect when mixing. Again, thanks for this great video!
Unfortunately one can hear extreme rumble noises (8:18...) and: who wants to carry 2 microphones around on his instrument while playing? My best experience recording clarinets is to use a single AKG 414 XLS pointing at the right hand of the player. Distance 20 to 50 cm. (around12 to 20 inches)
I have rumberger k1x using on clarinet and saxophone, I Can link you some my records and works perfect on stage either in studio. Setup of equilaiser Is litle bit diferent but it Is for every recomendation. Greetings From Belgrade, Serbia 🙂🙂🙂
Thanks. Interesting... I am using sd-systems And even moving it from Clarinet to saxophones, flutes, even mandolin and double-bass... I put some clips together for you ;) My gear: 1. Sd-systems 2. Akg 700 wireless 3. Tone match BOSE 4. Monitor S1 BOSE From speaker sound guys take signal... I am more than happy. ( from 2001 i went trough 3 same systems of same model, but still didnt find better solution for my way of playing ) Greetings from Slovenia ruclips.net/video/vl2ex0Qonuc/видео.htmlsi=tPXrSKIjkvGKaC2w
The R84 for sure is at the medium-upper price range but has become a "go to microphone" for woodwind recordings - this is why I wanted to include it in this comparison.
GREAT!! The best demo comparison I have ever heard!!
Bravo! At last, The most pro vlog about this topic.
Bogdan Rankovic Many thx!!
True. And not even shown as a search result
The best...i dont have this double mic ini my country indonesia.How can i get this?
I would like to listen the cheap dynamic mic option! great video, anyway! thanks!
Super Übersicht, vielen Dank!
Excellent video! Thank you Axel.
When I played in a band, I used 2 mics, one directed at the bell and the other at the hands. Like the AMT.
This is a lot of great information! Thanks for sharing. Also, that clarinet pickup is pretty awesome!
Nalbantov makes a piezo mic that attaches to your barrel and comes with a tap bit so you can drill a threaded hole. Not sure why, but I feel better about drilling a hole in a barrel than a mouthpiece. I love the sound, captures every note equally, no phantom power and zero feedback or bleed, even standing right in front of the drum set and speaker. Also you can control the level you send to get the most sound without air and key noise.
Don Ross Ah, interesting! Thx for the info!
@@eatreedsleep6437 Rumberger makes one too
Well done, Axel!
Amps Factory 😘
nice suggestions for mic duduk? I have zoom hn4pro in bathroom
For recording Duduk many microphone types will work. Your Zoom will be fine. Its important to check for a good position though to get a balanced sound.
I like this very much. Thank you.
Thank You! Very useful!
Wow.. thanks for the great video.
Hey Axel! Great video, thank you for sharing! I have a quick question. Did you use an AMT preamp or wireless system to capture the AMT clarinet mic? Trying to figure out the best way to use my AMT microphone in my home studio... Thank you!
I don't own a AMT-Preamp. The AMT mics have mini-xlr-cables. You can either use the XLR-phantom-power-adapter to go into a mixer or interface or use the AMT wireless systems or Shure/Sennheiser systems. Both ways work fine.
@@eatreedsleep6437 Hey Axel, thank you very much for the quick response and advice. Keep up the great videos and thank you for sharing with us!
Wonderful! Can I ask what reverb and compressor you used on the R84? So beautiful.
Hey Phil! I use the AEA RPQ500 preamp with the R84. Then slate digital distressor compression plugin + liquidsonics plate reverb plugin.
WOODWINDROOM Thanks!
Yesterday I was played on stage with very loud pop band use regular sm58 mic, my clarinet sound thin.. poor me :(
This piezo methode maybe i wanna try for the next gigs. Thanks
For loud pop gigs, you should use two mics, one at the bell and one pointed at your left hand. Keep them close to the clarinet and you can get a better signal.
Can you make a video using a sm57 shure on a clarinet?
Thanks a lot ! I will get me a Rumberger K1 X ( new version - no idea, what they have changed). And I'm thinking about a wireless connection, like the Sennheiser Sennheiser XSW 2-Ci1. There is another one (Sennheiser EW 100 G4-Ci1), which is even more expensive, so I'm trying not to think about that one. But the description of both deals mainly with bass + guitar, so I'm wondering if this really makes sense for the tone spectrum of a clarinet. And 'wireless' means less sound-quality anyway, I suppose. Any advice about that ?
I wonder how much difference it would make to put the Rumberger mic on the barrel instead of the mouthpiece.
8:19 dat LF thumping
Hi, what would you recommend for live work for Alto and Clarinet ?
Without more info on genre and setting that's hard to answer. For big=loud pop settings I would recommend a clipmic for Alto (AMT LS, DPA 4099 or Shure BETA98). For smaller stages and/or more "acoustic" or less loud settings (jazz/chamber music) I would recommend a dynamic mic like Sennheiser 441 or a Ribbon mic like AEA R84 for Alto. For clarinet a Rumberger WP1X Pickup is a good choice for loud environments (no spill).
Thanks, food for thought
Thanks
What do you think about this mic on bari sax in a very loud environment? I'm really impressed with the sound on clarinet especially when you consider isolation from stage wash
To be honest, I would use a normal clipmic with a barisax, since it gives you more detailed high&highmid-frequencies. (I am using the AMT for all saxophones). The Rumberger-pickup works very well for clarinet and bassclarinet, when you need less highs and high mids but more bass. It really delivers a fat low end without ANY spill from other instruments though.
@@eatreedsleep6437 thanks for your thoughts that really makes sense and helps. Sax and Clarinet are different acoustic worlds
Did you apply some echo or reverb to your samples? I think I would have prefered your raw sound... are you trying to mask your tone and at the same time make us listen to your tone? Isn't that a paradox?
As I wrote in the video description: I added some reverb and a slight compression. Not to mask anything, but to create a sound that most of us "know" when hearing a clarinet. All settings a identical for all the microphones though.
@@eatreedsleep6437 tnx for your answer. I also want to thank you for your work.
Good video! i got one question. If you get a clip on microphone with one gooseneck, where do you point it at?
I‘d attach it to the bell and point it towards the lower right hand. its always a compromise with one clip and clarinet or soprano...
@@eatreedsleep6437 than we have been doing it all wrong this time haha
Herm-Jan Riemer there is no right or wrong if it sounds good!
Thank you for this video, it’s hard to find high level discussion of clarinet mics. SD Systems also makes a double-mic for clarinet:
store.sdsystems.com/lcm82-for-clarinet.html
I’ve used it for live playing as well as recording (using it along with a room mic, in my case an Audio Techinca condenser). I also bought an AMT because one of the SD mic wires was dirty and crackling, but I had two issues with the AMT. First, the preamp had no volume, EQ, or mic balance controls, unlike the SD. Having those controls gives you some options live so that you’re not totally at the mercy of the sound engineer. Second, the AMT sounded great live, but terrible when I tried to record. For whatever reason the signal processing on the SD preamp made for a cleaner sound that was more well-rounded for recording, and not so dry. And again the controls on the pre-amp helped a lot, too. The attitude behind the AMT design seems to be “we know best how you should sound, so why should you be allowed to adjust your gain, emphasize highs or lows in the sound, etc.” The AMT is still useful for live playing and in fact less cumbersome physically to use, but I got a handy friend to fix the wire on the SD so it was usable again. It just sounds so good! Recently I’ve started recording the SD mic(s) on one track and the room mic on another and splitting them left and right to produce a fabulous stereo affect when mixing. Again, thanks for this great video!
Yes, I know that SD makes a double mic for sax and clarinet - I have not yet tested them though...
Nice to see another player on an L7! Good horn, terrible plating
Yep, so true. Mine finally cracked last winter but has been e great reliable piece.
Hey!
Where can I get the AEA r84 passive ribbon mic? I'm struggling a little to find it.
In which Country do you live?
@@eatreedsleep6437 South Africa
I guess there is a shop in Cape Town... Eastern Acoustics or something like that. Been there a few years ago.
@@eatreedsleep6437 Thanks I'll search it and see if they deliver across South Africa
Vibrato on the clarinet? Maybe in very rare instances.
Unfortunately one can hear extreme rumble noises (8:18...) and: who wants to carry 2 microphones around on his instrument while playing? My best experience recording clarinets is to use a single AKG 414 XLS pointing at the right hand of the player. Distance 20 to 50 cm. (around12 to 20 inches)
Здравствуйте отлично обзор спосибо хотел купит румбергер для кларнет вый можете мне помоч
I have rumberger k1x using on clarinet and saxophone, I Can link you some my records and works perfect on stage either in studio. Setup of equilaiser Is litle bit diferent but it Is for every recomendation. Greetings From Belgrade, Serbia 🙂🙂🙂
Thanks.
Interesting...
I am using sd-systems
And even moving it from Clarinet to saxophones, flutes, even mandolin and double-bass...
I put some clips together for you ;)
My gear:
1. Sd-systems
2. Akg 700 wireless
3. Tone match BOSE
4. Monitor S1 BOSE
From speaker sound guys take signal...
I am more than happy.
( from 2001 i went trough 3 same systems of same model, but still didnt find better solution for my way of playing )
Greetings from Slovenia
ruclips.net/video/vl2ex0Qonuc/видео.htmlsi=tPXrSKIjkvGKaC2w
Won
AEA R84 is 5000$CAN..... *Yikes* going to look for alternatives...
The R84 for sure is at the medium-upper price range but has become a "go to microphone" for woodwind recordings - this is why I wanted to include it in this comparison.
Very helpful!