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It's weird to think that the little kid version of me would have never expected to be regularly watching in-depth analysis videos of a game he loved now at the age of 33, but here we are. Marcel is the hero little me didn't know he'd get
Congrats on getting a sponsor. You really have nailed the niche of spirit of the law for RCT2. Who knew these games I used to play would still be going so strong.
Hypercoasters are massive & fast and Inverted coasters have inversions out the ass, but nothing compares to the feeling of getting a good old Woodie flowing with airtime hills
Actually, the vertical loop on the wooden coaster was developed during one of the RCT1 expansions, this was when Son of Beast was just under a month before opening its gates to the public.
@@theclaudeqc3rdone290 That too, and the standard vehicle had a reverse variant, this applies to the steel/looping coaster in RCT 1 also despite that being RCT1 vanilla content.
@@nthgth yes, there was the 'Wooden Rollercoaster' and the 'Articulated Wooden/Wooden Twister Rollercoaster' depending on what region of the world you got the game. It was pretty cool being able to have two types of wooden coaster track with the different bank angles in the same map! I hope that OpenRCT2 can implement the less-extreme banking of RCT1 style woodies one day!
@@nthgth yep, was added in Added Attractions. They weirdly merged the types in RCT2, when they did the exact opposite when splitting out the Steel Twister types.
The biggest thing I've learned over the months from your channel is that kid me was giving guests an absolute bargain on ticket prices. I was scared to go above a few dollars in fear that nobody would ever ride them.
Some of us are naturally in the habit of charging low as well due to RCT1 having a mix of ride and park entrance fees, so if you adjusted based on feedback that prices were cheap or too expensive, you'd naturally settle into that bracket possibly without even knowing you could go higher on rides of entry was free.
When I started to play RCT in 2001/2002 (I was a 9 years old kid), I would never have imagined having one day contents like your videos. Thank you, Marcel Vos ; from the deep of my heart. This channel is one of my favorites EVER on RUclips. Thank You.
These days, I almost exclusively make block-braked coasters. It takes ages to optimise, but it's so satisfying to see the timing get to the point where a train arrives every time one leaves, and trains never stop on the layout. I've found separate exit stations really help with this. Also it's fun watching all the trains cascade and stop in the middle when the ride breaks down; That's another thing you have to account for - every block has to accommodate an empty train starting there from a standstill. I just wish block brakes could have a custom speed. Now that we have the new save format, hopefully it comes soon!
Sloped to flat chainlift pieces also count as block sections. I often add a single chainlift piece to the top of the second or third drop as a "checkpoint." The goal is to never actually have trains stop at these (have to make sure you put the right minimum waiting time) but they allow you to run more trains closer together.
@@RadioactiveSherbet same, Station Brakes Failure in RCT1 traumatized me so much that I use them, hell I'll even CONVERT starting coasters into block brake coasters if i can. When i got to Katie's Dreamland in Classic you bet your ass that I took that poster-child for Station Brakes Failure crashes and gave it the Block Brake treatment. My proudest moment of converting a starting coaster to Block Brakes was Double Trouble from Crumbly Woods, when I rebuilt the thing I split the entry and exit station up and added 2 trains.
I loved Woodchip as a kid playing RCT1. Though my love of it was mostly based around the fact that it was a roller coaster that actually worked and I was very bad at the game.
Usually I know the fun facts about the rides in RCT2, but I must admit that I never realized Colossus and Rolling Thunder were built to fit together. I always thought they were similar designs built for different real life parks. So many years
The wooden coaster is one of the easiest coasters to design too. Seriously it's the first option in a lot of scenarios because it's fairly easy to make an acceptable design. Also I love that they added the loop because Son of Beast.
God I love this game. I played it so much back when I was in elementary school and getting the first one, corkscrew follies and loop landscapes multiple Christmases were some of the best memories I've had. Thank you for these videos!!
13:30 I love how Sawyer designed the look and placement mechanics of the ghost track. It felt so awesome when you would have a really cluttered or densely packed park. I'd spend so much time just moving a pre-built track ghost all around the park in all the little cracks and crevices until you find that one spot. That one specific little area that it was able to just barely fit and squeeze into was such an awesome dopamine hit. God, it was just so much fun.
I'm so happy about your comments starting near 12:55 to 13:30. Whitewail and The Colossus were my favorite all the time as a kid! However, I use to charge only 5$ per ticket price, which barely reached the build cost after a couple years... But as you said, finding the exact location to build the second one and seeing that everything fits together was simply mind blowing.
One interesting design is the one in the tutorial of RCT 1. The excitement rating is inflated during the tutorial, but saving the design will _keep_ the extra excitement points. It’s probably not a useful design most of the time due to its large footprint, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Your black and red (second design) is one of my favourite custom pre-built designs ever. Optimal but also looks fantastic. I almost always use it in every park scenario!
Great video Marcel! I feel like this is your best one yet, great content and the delivery was superb. I remember riding Son of Beast, and that was probably the roughest roller coaster I’ve ever been on. Definitely an intensity over 10
Until you got to the loop and it suddenly became buttery smooth for two seconds before reverting back to a migraine simulator. Son of Beast might have been an uncomfortably rough ride, but for me it's worth it to see the looks on people's faces when I tell them I've been on a wooden coaster with a loop.
That intensity thing is weirdly realistic for RCT. Small to medium sized woodies (by steel standards) tend to be great, but when you try to go huge, well... Look at the fate of Son of Beast.
It’s too bad RCT doesn’t have a ride maintenance cost, because woodies excel in this as workers can walk the track without cherry pickers and you can replace bits of wood as needed rather than hauling in new huge steel beams, they also last the longest.
@@keiyakins RCT3 not going 3D and not going to Atari who killed the franchise (dirt company that ruins everything, even almost ruined Windows...) Could have had all sorts of features. Simply increasing the track options, new construction staff and purchasing cherry pickers and adding cleaners. Even an employee development would be good, over time they get better and cost more, but make you not want to fire them. Maybe the mechs need to level up to fix certain rides. Scenery unlimited, better textures and less griddy, the list goes on.
I like having a long "Dipper" style wooden coaster on the edge of the park that spans the length while just being a few tiles wide due to the steep tilted turn on the way back, adding the loop and splash makes for a good looking coaster that takes up a lot of space but only the few tiles on the edge which aren't as important.
After dealing with station brake failures, I tried a watersplash towards the end of the ride. It's a frustration saver. Now to use it in place of brakes completely!!
My favorite coaster type to build, it looks amazing in almost any setting and the low friction allows for designs that are short in height but long and full of elements
For those of you wondering about exactly each wooden coaster train is… 4 and 6 seat trains: PTC/Philadelphia Toboggan Coasters, widely used on many parks worldwide such as Boulder Dash at Lake Compounce (4 seat) and Rebel Yell/Racer 75 at Kings Dominion (6 seat) Articulated trains: GCI/Great Coasters International Millennium Flyers used on their own coasters such as Lighting Racer at Hershey Park and Wodan Timber Coaster at Europa Park
The articulated trains are actually based off of Frederick Churches Bob's trains which are also what the Millennium Flyers are based on. There is only one coaster that I know of with these trains still running: Classic Coaster at the Washington State Fair
Fun fact: Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 had two separate types of wooden rollercoasters. 1: The basic "Wooden Coaster" had either standard 4 seater cars, or 4 seater reversed (Both with max 7 cars), and had access to the vertical loop and water splash 2: The "Wooden Twister Coaster" is the one with articulated trains (Max 10 cars) that came out in the Added Attractions expansion pack, which had access to steep turns and spirals unlike the basic wooden coaster. In Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, these two were combined into one, with the color schemes of the Wooden Twister.
This was a hard troll for those who played through the expansion scenarios as with the build 10 coasters objective, the wooden twister and the regular wooden coaster counted as 1 coaster type.
@@nthgth indeed, the default wooden colours you see in RCT2 and OpenRCT2 are inherited from the merge. The standard wooden coaster does not keep its brown and white/light brown default colour counterparts.
@@xraceboyex There are, you can see them all over the video, including the first few seconds. Maybe you're thinking of RCT1, but in that game sloped banked turns didn't exist at all.
@@MarcelVos I must be mistaken then, I know there was something about the turns on the wooden roller coaster that bothered me though. It's been a while since I've played. You inspired me to hop on tonight and refresh my memory by making a beautiful wooden coaster 😏 here we go again, probably wont put the game down for a month lol
@@xraceboyex The wooden coaster can do that too. It even has the track piece that goes from banked level immediately to an unbanked incline in one piece, but I forgot to mention that.
thank you for making it easy to skip the sponsorship literally nobody ever seems to have the courtesy to realize alot of people dont care or already have the product
It’s amazing how not having TV ads was a big draw for ppl to start watching the net, now you can effectively watch way more ads especially if you are watching short vids or skipping to sections you want to watch.
Speaking of the reversed trains, there’s another (pair of) roller coaster(s) at Kings Island called the Racer, which is a mirrored pair. For a good while, they ran one with forward-facing cars and one with rear-facing cars. I think they are now both forward-facing now but it was lot of fun to ride. Kings Island’s Beast itself is, of course, the Mac Daddy of wooden roller coasters. It’s also the namesake of Son of Beast, and if you’re only passingly familiar with it that ride’s history, it’s well worth reading about-it’s a hell of a story.
Thanks a lot for this video! The Wooden Coaster is definitely my favorite coaster in the game and this video gave me new ideas and I learned new things about it!
I love that I can play RCT classic on my phone when bored at work, and whenever I am stuck, trying to figure out how it works or need inspiration there is Marcel Vos with some helpful advice!
I rode the Son of Beast one time with the loop and it was amazing! After that they took it out because it was sadly problematic and then they eventually took out the whole coaster because to many people got hurt. With or without the loop it was still a fun coaster.
And pretty awesome that Son of Beast sorta lives on in the form of this coaster's vertical loop. And living on _again_ due to OpenRCT2 breathing so much new life into the game altogether!
@@reillywalker195yeah. And they got the lighter cars because the ride was under designed and the heavy cars were damaging the support structure. Cedar Fair sued the designer of the ride…
The wooden coaster is the best one for parks with harder guest generation. The length requirement doesn't matter, since the requirement for harder guest generation is even higher. The twister and giga coasters will end up attracting more guests, but they're much more expensive.
Son of (the) Beast was a terrible coaster, by most measures-- after the third or fourth time I rode it during a park visit and realized it have me a migraine that soured the rest of the day *every single time*, over multiple years, I flat refused to ride it anymore. I'm glad something interesting came from it, at least 😂
In all of the Wooden Coasters I built (~50 of them) I never built a Loop just because It felt weird and 3 of them were recreations from around my area (One of them got Burned down in 2022 by the park) Also the Wooden Coaster has my least favorite train with the "Stage Coaches"
I honestly just use decorations to give other tracked rides a similar aesthetic. It never looks quite the same and in some situations the standard slim design of most tracked rides is more appealing, but I like it better when there's some balance between bulky and slim rides, without all the bulky ones being wooden rollercoasters.
I grew up ridding the actual Rolling Thunder rollercoasters quite a bit, it's neat to hear that somone else also enjoyed those rollercoasters by using them in RCT! They are gone now but were always a fun ride.
Yeah, had to look through the comments for this as it was a real dueling rollercoaster at Six Flags Great Adventure in New Jersey. I know there were other coasters most likely that reversed the coaster facing but to celebrate the 100th year of roller coasters in the USA, it became Rednuht Gnillor and had reverse facing cars that year.
Lol I didn't know Rolling Thunder dueling coaster was a pre-built in this game. I rode it as a kid in Six Flags Great Adventure before it got taken out. The left train always seemed to win IRL, and while I never got to experience it, my dad had ridden it when the backwards trains were a feature
Marcel, something I've always been curious about. To calculate the stats for a ride (when in test mode), does the ride *actually* have to go through the test scenario to figure out these stats, or does the game calculate them immediately and hide them until the circuit is complete? I was thinking "why does it have to wait? Can it just calculate it based on known values?". Just a thought.
The stats will be different depending on the weight of the train, which depends on how many guests are on the train, so for that reason alone it does have to actually test. The rides where that doesn't have an effect, like the merry-go-round, do give you the stats immediately.
Since the stats depend on what the train does during the ride (so e.g. testing loaded vs empty trains will yield slightly different stats), it probably does have to go through one full simulation cycle in order to calculate them. Now, especially on a modern machine it likely could do the simulation at a greatly accelerated speed in order to give you the results immediately, but a) that would require additional programming effort and b) where is the fun in that? I just wish you could have it simulate different coaster loading levels in testing mode.
Understood to both of you, thanks! I was just thinking "shouldn't it know what an empty vs full car weighs and then be able to just simulate it extremely fast?". I wonder if that's something anyone on the Open RCT2 team has ever thought of implementing. Would probably be a fair amount of coding and fuss.
@@N0Fumar My favourite solution would be to just be able to test a "full train" - IRL rollercoasters are tested with dummies that simulate the mass of passengers in every seat to test the highest likely load case.
The funny Thing about the Looping was: It was the Best Part of the Ride. Because it was the only one, that was smooth and didn't punch you. It was later removed, I don't remember why. The Ride was ultimatively demolished tough. Which means, that vertical Loops in Wooden Coasters pretty much aen't thing. Glad they are in RCT anyway tough.
This is great, and I was also waiting for the day that Marcel had to point to 7 of his other videos like "I've been killing it for years, and yet I have more to say." Wooden coasters are great.
One big thing about wooden coasters is that I feel like the supports make giant walls so I only want to build them at the edges of parks. Also I feel bad building stuff under wooden coaster track, where as steel track I feel fine building things under and in the middle of parks
I agree, the supports can be visually obstructive. Possibly the only negative thing to say about this coaster type, but I can't even say that because it's part of the coaster's wonderful, iconic look
I like that though for extreme heights, which is more realistic as steel coasters in real life have those H shaped supports for really high sections to prevent sway.
The wooden coaster is the only coaster to date I have managed to give a extreme exitement rating. Without any "cheat" builds, I built it as a syncronised coaster with pre built "the storm". Best coaster I have ever made
I love the wooden coaster. It is easy to build, has good stats, is quite affordable, can be rather compact and looks amazing. I always build one if I have it availible. It is my second favourite coaster type after the vertical drop coaster.
I love the wooden coaster. I always wait until I'm around halfway through a scenario, when my park is built up, my loan is paid off, and I have plenty of cash to throw around. Then it's time for an elaborate wooden coaster design.
I rode the Son of the Beast at King's Island. Going into the loop makes your neck snap back pretty hard and they adjusted it multiple times to try to reduce there whiplash, before giving up and closing it indefinitely.
They made the loop too circular then. There’s something to do with forward momentum that does better in an upside down water drop shape, when you’d think it would be opposite. They figured that out with the first looping ‘coasters’ which were weird looking 1 seater carts hauled up to one height with horses, then there’d be an incline on the other side as well.
Great video...Who doesn't love a big woody...I love building them in all my parks. My favourite woody you made was the one for your mega park you called it 'Jungle Rumble' I use it sometimes for my guests and they love it...
I have never clicked on a Marcel Vos video so quickly. This is my favorite ride in the series. I think one of my proudest moments in RCT was managing to squeeze a full-size wooden roller coaster into the RCT classic level Micro Park.
Nice! Just about all my parks feature a wooden coaster, but Micro Park (think it's called Dinky Park in the version I have) had to wait till I bought land across the highway. My wooden coasters tend to be massive multi-chainlift affairs.
Glad to see you getting that bag Marcel, and the ride overview is great! The wooden roller coaster is also the best looking coaster in the game in my view.
This video is super refined. Watching through your archive one can clearly see the development of your style over time and I think this is a great example :)
I wonder how expensive some of my wooden coasters are? Probably like $15,000, lol! I tend to make massive wooden behemoths, often with multiple chain lifts.
I love building a good wooden coaster, especially with articulated trains as well. Ride guide suggestion maybe Launched Freefall and Roto Drops? What are stat penalties for height/speed? Why is the prefab Escape Hatch the best blend? Etc
the designs section damn near brought a tear to my eye - recommends one just because it looks good and came from a stream - on another the color scheme is kinda ugly but over the years Ive gotten used to it - theres nothing quite like making ur own custom coaster and seeing ur guests enjoy it this man loves his craft
In my view on the Wooden coaster. The awesome looking supports and structure are both it's best and worst feature. It occupies a lot of visual space. This is good because it's pretty. It's also bad because it distracts from other pretty stuff and blocks other pretty stuff. One of my favorite things to do is to have a nice weaving section to rail through super fast boosting average speed, followed by some bunny hops. I especially like ones that use two hills like The Beast in order to boost the length to a nice full 5 minute maximum. With proper design you can make amazing excitement stats, and look good doing it. For more compact designs the loop is great for driving up the excitement rating when you don't have enough room for the hill count necessary to get great stats otherwise.
Question for the room, do we know what the Woodchip design is based on? I always thought it was based on the Cyclone at Southport Pleasureland but never been sure. Thanks in advance all
you dont need to guess on whats causing the intensity just look on the graph of the g forces over time and u will see where it peaks , its the graph tab
I really enjoyed the long-form video. That being said, I also liked the mini vid from last week. I think having a 15-20 minute deep dive every few months is a nice treat.
i grew up on rct, and now i have my own pc and this game is where my heart lies. Im not even 22 yet and im so lucky to have this guy here now. Marcel, thank you for reigniting my love for this game again and again and again.
Favorite type to build in-game and my favorite IRL. Any real-life theme park without one is just bush league. (And no, ex-woodie RMCs don't count, sorry.)
Wooden Rollercoasters are by far my favorite one to build and i almost never use premade designs. Steel Rollercoasters scares me in real life, so making the Wooden ones that i would want to ride gives a huge satisfaction!
Best wooden coaster Ive been on is the Wooden Viper in Six Flags Great America, Fast. short, janky, it was a better experience then any steel coaster Ive personally been on. 10/10 would ride it all day if i could.
I rode Son of Beast at King's Island back when it still had the loop, and it was a terrible experience. Wooden coasters are generally a rough ride, but that one I remember being particularly bad. The loop itself (which was made of steel) was the only smooth part of the ride. They eventually removed the loop, and a few years later tore the whole thing down, and replaced it with a steel hanging coaster called Banshee.
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blame the google/youtube overlords... probably didn't enjoy you spruking a chrome competitor :P
thanks for sharing the custom ride tracks on google drive but could you give a link that covers all the rides?
I think it's so awesome you're getting sponsored! :D
it also unsubscribe me from you 6 months ago. so I had to re-sub to you again!
There is no Twister coaster over view video on your channel.
It's weird to think that the little kid version of me would have never expected to be regularly watching in-depth analysis videos of a game he loved now at the age of 33, but here we are. Marcel is the hero little me didn't know he'd get
Im 31 so I know how you feel. Not bad for a game that I got from a cereal box
29 lol
@@Mercman1010 oh my God I forgot that's how I got it!! What a kick of nostalgia
@@tomothybahamothy lucky charms for the win!
34 I remember playing rct in 1999
Congrats on getting a sponsor. You really have nailed the niche of spirit of the law for RCT2. Who knew these games I used to play would still be going so strong.
Man I love spirit of the law so much haha
@see ya I couldn't imagine playing this game on a phone...
Too bad that sponsor is Opera GX. It's made in China, so you can't trust it to be secure or private.
Marcel is great
@@planescaped there is an Android port and I play it all the time
I used to lament having this as my only option when starting a scenario. These days, it's one of my favorites to design.
It’s my personal favorite coaster type to build
@@sprawlz6466 Same here! There’s something so satisfying about getting a wooden coaster “just right.”
Hypercoasters are massive & fast and Inverted coasters have inversions out the ass, but nothing compares to the feeling of getting a good old Woodie flowing with airtime hills
SAME, DUDE!
Agreed! 😂
Actually, the vertical loop on the wooden coaster was developed during one of the RCT1 expansions, this was when Son of Beast was just under a month before opening its gates to the public.
And 7 cars per trains for the 4 seaters was from vanilla rct1.
@@theclaudeqc3rdone290 That too, and the standard vehicle had a reverse variant, this applies to the steel/looping coaster in RCT 1 also despite that being RCT1 vanilla content.
And weren't there two different wooden types for RCT1? Wasn't there a "wooden twister" or something, with steep turns and a higher bank angle?
@@nthgth yes, there was the 'Wooden Rollercoaster' and the 'Articulated Wooden/Wooden Twister Rollercoaster' depending on what region of the world you got the game. It was pretty cool being able to have two types of wooden coaster track with the different bank angles in the same map! I hope that OpenRCT2 can implement the less-extreme banking of RCT1 style woodies one day!
@@nthgth yep, was added in Added Attractions. They weirdly merged the types in RCT2, when they did the exact opposite when splitting out the Steel Twister types.
The biggest thing I've learned over the months from your channel is that kid me was giving guests an absolute bargain on ticket prices. I was scared to go above a few dollars in fear that nobody would ever ride them.
I still rarely charge more than a few dollars because I think more would be "unfair" to my guests, lol!
Some of us are naturally in the habit of charging low as well due to RCT1 having a mix of ride and park entrance fees, so if you adjusted based on feedback that prices were cheap or too expensive, you'd naturally settle into that bracket possibly without even knowing you could go higher on rides of entry was free.
When I started to play RCT in 2001/2002 (I was a 9 years old kid), I would never have imagined having one day contents like your videos. Thank you, Marcel Vos ; from the deep of my heart. This channel is one of my favorites EVER on RUclips.
Thank You.
These days, I almost exclusively make block-braked coasters.
It takes ages to optimise, but it's so satisfying to see the timing get to the point where a train arrives every time one leaves, and trains never stop on the layout. I've found separate exit stations really help with this. Also it's fun watching all the trains cascade and stop in the middle when the ride breaks down; That's another thing you have to account for - every block has to accommodate an empty train starting there from a standstill.
I just wish block brakes could have a custom speed. Now that we have the new save format, hopefully it comes soon!
Agree. I try to get realistic layouts and sometimes get burned in scenarios for it, but whatever.
Sloped to flat chainlift pieces also count as block sections. I often add a single chainlift piece to the top of the second or third drop as a "checkpoint." The goal is to never actually have trains stop at these (have to make sure you put the right minimum waiting time) but they allow you to run more trains closer together.
here is an idea: möbius or racing/dueling coaster with synchronized block brakes
I always use block brakes due to a paranoid fear of brake failure.
@@RadioactiveSherbet same, Station Brakes Failure in RCT1 traumatized me so much that I use them, hell I'll even CONVERT starting coasters into block brake coasters if i can. When i got to Katie's Dreamland in Classic you bet your ass that I took that poster-child for Station Brakes Failure crashes and gave it the Block Brake treatment.
My proudest moment of converting a starting coaster to Block Brakes was Double Trouble from Crumbly Woods, when I rebuilt the thing I split the entry and exit station up and added 2 trains.
I loved Woodchip as a kid playing RCT1. Though my love of it was mostly based around the fact that it was a roller coaster that actually worked and I was very bad at the game.
Usually I know the fun facts about the rides in RCT2, but I must admit that I never realized Colossus and Rolling Thunder were built to fit together. I always thought they were similar designs built for different real life parks. So many years
Only reason I realized this was cuz I live next to SFMM and rode the real Colossus all the freakin time.
Sadly, it no longer exists.
The classic Wooden Coaster is what instantly comes to mind when I think of Roller Coaster Tycoon.
This and the Merry-go-round and its iconic music! Classic
@@carlafuqua1685 i despite the soundtrack of a Merry-Go-Round, i instantly turn it off when i open one
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Love the ad. I find it hysterical that RUclips recommends that you watch your own videos.
Happened to me as well, very funny.
The wooden coaster is one of the easiest coasters to design too. Seriously it's the first option in a lot of scenarios because it's fairly easy to make an acceptable design.
Also I love that they added the loop because Son of Beast.
Your park isn't a park until you have a wooden coaster in it! And I would say even in real life woodies are the best coasters, so nostalgic.
Absolutely agreed!
God I love this game. I played it so much back when I was in elementary school and getting the first one, corkscrew follies and loop landscapes multiple Christmases were some of the best memories I've had. Thank you for these videos!!
13:30 I love how Sawyer designed the look and placement mechanics of the ghost track. It felt so awesome when you would have a really cluttered or densely packed park. I'd spend so much time just moving a pre-built track ghost all around the park in all the little cracks and crevices until you find that one spot. That one specific little area that it was able to just barely fit and squeeze into was such an awesome dopamine hit. God, it was just so much fun.
I'm so happy about your comments starting near 12:55 to 13:30. Whitewail and The Colossus were my favorite all the time as a kid! However, I use to charge only 5$ per ticket price, which barely reached the build cost after a couple years... But as you said, finding the exact location to build the second one and seeing that everything fits together was simply mind blowing.
One interesting design is the one in the tutorial of RCT 1. The excitement rating is inflated during the tutorial, but saving the design will _keep_ the extra excitement points. It’s probably not a useful design most of the time due to its large footprint, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Your black and red (second design) is one of my favourite custom pre-built designs ever. Optimal but also looks fantastic. I almost always use it in every park scenario!
Building these in RCT 1 led me to try them out and appreciate them in real theme parks. Woodies are awesome.
You're right. It's the most good looking.
Great video Marcel! I feel like this is your best one yet, great content and the delivery was superb.
I remember riding Son of Beast, and that was probably the roughest roller coaster I’ve ever been on. Definitely an intensity over 10
Until you got to the loop and it suddenly became buttery smooth for two seconds before reverting back to a migraine simulator. Son of Beast might have been an uncomfortably rough ride, but for me it's worth it to see the looks on people's faces when I tell them I've been on a wooden coaster with a loop.
That intensity thing is weirdly realistic for RCT. Small to medium sized woodies (by steel standards) tend to be great, but when you try to go huge, well... Look at the fate of Son of Beast.
And Rattler, Mean Streak, and Hercules.
It’s too bad RCT doesn’t have a ride maintenance cost, because woodies excel in this as workers can walk the track without cherry pickers and you can replace bits of wood as needed rather than hauling in new huge steel beams, they also last the longest.
@@rmac3217 it has operation costs, which I always assumed included maintenance. It *is* kinda weird that leaving a ride SBNO is free though
@@keiyakins RCT3 not going 3D and not going to Atari who killed the franchise (dirt company that ruins everything, even almost ruined Windows...) Could have had all sorts of features. Simply increasing the track options, new construction staff and purchasing cherry pickers and adding cleaners. Even an employee development would be good, over time they get better and cost more, but make you not want to fire them. Maybe the mechs need to level up to fix certain rides. Scenery unlimited, better textures and less griddy, the list goes on.
I like having a long "Dipper" style wooden coaster on the edge of the park that spans the length while just being a few tiles wide due to the steep tilted turn on the way back, adding the loop and splash makes for a good looking coaster that takes up a lot of space but only the few tiles on the edge which aren't as important.
After dealing with station brake failures, I tried a watersplash towards the end of the ride. It's a frustration saver.
Now to use it in place of brakes completely!!
I wish I had thought of that about 22 years ago. Woulda saved a lot of trouble and reloading back to before the breaks failed.
And then there's me, who made brake blocks mandatory if I can't make the empty trains just barely slowed from the upward slopes.
My favorite coaster type to build, it looks amazing in almost any setting and the low friction allows for designs that are short in height but long and full of elements
For those of you wondering about exactly each wooden coaster train is…
4 and 6 seat trains: PTC/Philadelphia Toboggan Coasters, widely used on many parks worldwide such as Boulder Dash at Lake Compounce (4 seat) and Rebel Yell/Racer 75 at Kings Dominion (6 seat)
Articulated trains: GCI/Great Coasters International Millennium Flyers used on their own coasters such as Lighting Racer at Hershey Park and Wodan Timber Coaster at Europa Park
6 train car reminds of prefab intamin :D
@@cringer8107 the 6 seat train that comes in vanilla rct2 is of the ptc design, although there is a third party intamin train.
No Limits 1 also has Morgan trains for wooden coasters, GCI trains, and conventional PTC trains
@@johnfoltz8183 Yes, the Morgan trains i believe are also done for RCT2 as a third party addon
The articulated trains are actually based off of Frederick Churches Bob's trains which are also what the Millennium Flyers are based on. There is only one coaster that I know of with these trains still running: Classic Coaster at the Washington State Fair
Fun fact: Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 had two separate types of wooden rollercoasters.
1: The basic "Wooden Coaster" had either standard 4 seater cars, or 4 seater reversed (Both with max 7 cars), and had access to the vertical loop and water splash
2: The "Wooden Twister Coaster" is the one with articulated trains (Max 10 cars) that came out in the Added Attractions expansion pack, which had access to steep turns and spirals unlike the basic wooden coaster.
In Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, these two were combined into one, with the color schemes of the Wooden Twister.
This was a hard troll for those who played through the expansion scenarios as with the build 10 coasters objective, the wooden twister and the regular wooden coaster counted as 1 coaster type.
@@RoysGamingGarret Yep... Curse you Volcania!
They had different color schemes too??
The Wooden Twister maxes out with 12 cars, not 10.
@@nthgth indeed, the default wooden colours you see in RCT2 and OpenRCT2 are inherited from the merge. The standard wooden coaster does not keep its brown and white/light brown default colour counterparts.
let's GOOOO, the man is getting paid
Fully deserved!
NON MARCEL FANS DONT KNOW HOW LONG WE HAVE WAITED FOR THIS PROPHECY FULFILLMENT-LEVEL MOMENT
This is like a christmas special
The wooden coaster also has one or two unique guest screams compared to other coasters.
Great video as always Marcel, I always found my wooden coaster designs were always doing so well so this video helps illuminate why
the transitions between banked turns and unbanked pieces is sometimes gnarly , but thats just the way the game is , all coasters have this
It's always frustrated me that there are no inclined-banked turns for the wooden /:
@@xraceboyex There are, you can see them all over the video, including the first few seconds. Maybe you're thinking of RCT1, but in that game sloped banked turns didn't exist at all.
@@MarcelVos I must be mistaken then, I know there was something about the turns on the wooden roller coaster that bothered me though. It's been a while since I've played. You inspired me to hop on tonight and refresh my memory by making a beautiful wooden coaster 😏 here we go again, probably wont put the game down for a month lol
@@MarcelVos Perhaps it was the lack of an ability to go from a banked turn to a banked-incline without going level first?
@@xraceboyex The wooden coaster can do that too. It even has the track piece that goes from banked level immediately to an unbanked incline in one piece, but I forgot to mention that.
thank you for making it easy to skip the sponsorship literally nobody ever seems to have the courtesy to realize alot of people dont care or already have the product
It’s amazing how not having TV ads was a big draw for ppl to start watching the net, now you can effectively watch way more ads especially if you are watching short vids or skipping to sections you want to watch.
Speaking of the reversed trains, there’s another (pair of) roller coaster(s) at Kings Island called the Racer, which is a mirrored pair. For a good while, they ran one with forward-facing cars and one with rear-facing cars. I think they are now both forward-facing now but it was lot of fun to ride.
Kings Island’s Beast itself is, of course, the Mac Daddy of wooden roller coasters. It’s also the namesake of Son of Beast, and if you’re only passingly familiar with it that ride’s history, it’s well worth reading about-it’s a hell of a story.
Me and my girlfriend just started playing this game it’s her first time. Watching these videos shows me how much I missed to this game.
This ride helped me understand the fundamentals of rollarcoasters. I absolutely love this ride. It was an amazing video I loved every minute of it
Thanks a lot for this video! The Wooden Coaster is definitely my favorite coaster in the game and this video gave me new ideas and I learned new things about it!
I love that I can play RCT classic on my phone when bored at work, and whenever I am stuck, trying to figure out how it works or need inspiration there is Marcel Vos with some helpful advice!
"The ability to make the color brown look great. . ."
Love that take, Marcel.
Can't wait for the Twister Coaster overview, that one might be even longer then this overview 😁
I rode the Son of Beast one time with the loop and it was amazing! After that they took it out because it was sadly problematic and then they eventually took out the whole coaster because to many people got hurt. With or without the loop it was still a fun coaster.
If I remember correctly, Cedar Fair got rid of the ride's loop because the lighter trains they put onto the ride couldn't clear it.
And pretty awesome that Son of Beast sorta lives on in the form of this coaster's vertical loop. And living on _again_ due to OpenRCT2 breathing so much new life into the game altogether!
Although Son of Beast was a rough coaster, even for a wooden coaster.
@@reillywalker195yeah. And they got the lighter cars because the ride was under designed and the heavy cars were damaging the support structure.
Cedar Fair sued the designer of the ride…
The wooden coaster is the best one for parks with harder guest generation. The length requirement doesn't matter, since the requirement for harder guest generation is even higher. The twister and giga coasters will end up attracting more guests, but they're much more expensive.
Don't forget about the most nostalgic of all the wooden coaster's attributes: acute back pain.
Son of (the) Beast was a terrible coaster, by most measures-- after the third or fourth time I rode it during a park visit and realized it have me a migraine that soured the rest of the day *every single time*, over multiple years, I flat refused to ride it anymore.
I'm glad something interesting came from it, at least 😂
It was bad for Kings Island too, RCCA (the company who built it) went bankrupt during construction and Kings Island had to finish SOB by themselves
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Kings Island actually fired RCCA partway through construction if I remember the Defunctland episode on the ride correctly.
Finally! Been waiting AGES for this!
In all of the Wooden Coasters I built (~50 of them) I never built a Loop just because It felt weird and 3 of them were recreations from around my area (One of them got Burned down in 2022 by the park)
Also the Wooden Coaster has my least favorite train with the "Stage Coaches"
Shout-out to Blue Streak - ride in pieces.
The stage coaches look dumb with all the support, should have made a different design with thinner supports.
I honestly just use decorations to give other tracked rides a similar aesthetic. It never looks quite the same and in some situations the standard slim design of most tracked rides is more appealing, but I like it better when there's some balance between bulky and slim rides, without all the bulky ones being wooden rollercoasters.
I grew up ridding the actual Rolling Thunder rollercoasters quite a bit, it's neat to hear that somone else also enjoyed those rollercoasters by using them in RCT! They are gone now but were always a fun ride.
Rolling thunder was the first 'real' coaster I ever went on.
@@Hoover889 same, maybe skull mountain if you include that, I can't remember exactly.
Yeah, had to look through the comments for this as it was a real dueling rollercoaster at Six Flags Great Adventure in New Jersey. I know there were other coasters most likely that reversed the coaster facing but to celebrate the 100th year of roller coasters in the USA, it became Rednuht Gnillor and had reverse facing cars that year.
Lol I didn't know Rolling Thunder dueling coaster was a pre-built in this game. I rode it as a kid in Six Flags Great Adventure before it got taken out. The left train always seemed to win IRL, and while I never got to experience it, my dad had ridden it when the backwards trains were a feature
I have been waiting for this review for a long time
Marcel, something I've always been curious about. To calculate the stats for a ride (when in test mode), does the ride *actually* have to go through the test scenario to figure out these stats, or does the game calculate them immediately and hide them until the circuit is complete? I was thinking "why does it have to wait? Can it just calculate it based on known values?". Just a thought.
great question, I hate having to wait every time for the stats to show up so you can decide the ride price and open it for the public lol
The stats will be different depending on the weight of the train, which depends on how many guests are on the train, so for that reason alone it does have to actually test. The rides where that doesn't have an effect, like the merry-go-round, do give you the stats immediately.
Since the stats depend on what the train does during the ride (so e.g. testing loaded vs empty trains will yield slightly different stats), it probably does have to go through one full simulation cycle in order to calculate them.
Now, especially on a modern machine it likely could do the simulation at a greatly accelerated speed in order to give you the results immediately, but a) that would require additional programming effort and b) where is the fun in that? I just wish you could have it simulate different coaster loading levels in testing mode.
Understood to both of you, thanks! I was just thinking "shouldn't it know what an empty vs full car weighs and then be able to just simulate it extremely fast?". I wonder if that's something anyone on the Open RCT2 team has ever thought of implementing. Would probably be a fair amount of coding and fuss.
@@N0Fumar My favourite solution would be to just be able to test a "full train" - IRL rollercoasters are tested with dummies that simulate the mass of passengers in every seat to test the highest likely load case.
One of the youtuber sponshorships I actually am excited for. Congrats!
I absolutely love this Coaster, purely for it's aesthetic. Just LOOK at it! It's beautiful!
The funny Thing about the Looping was: It was the Best Part of the Ride. Because it was the only one, that was smooth and didn't punch you.
It was later removed, I don't remember why.
The Ride was ultimatively demolished tough. Which means, that vertical Loops in Wooden Coasters pretty much aen't thing. Glad they are in RCT anyway tough.
If I'm not mistaken, Cedar Fair removed the loop because the lighter trains they'd put on the ride couldn't clear it.
You should make an entire park of only dueling/racing coasters. Maybe one of every type?
Definitely a classical coaster design, i love it
This is great, and I was also waiting for the day that Marcel had to point to 7 of his other videos like "I've been killing it for years, and yet I have more to say." Wooden coasters are great.
One big thing about wooden coasters is that I feel like the supports make giant walls so I only want to build them at the edges of parks. Also I feel bad building stuff under wooden coaster track, where as steel track I feel fine building things under and in the middle of parks
I agree, the supports can be visually obstructive. Possibly the only negative thing to say about this coaster type, but I can't even say that because it's part of the coaster's wonderful, iconic look
I like that though for extreme heights, which is more realistic as steel coasters in real life have those H shaped supports for really high sections to prevent sway.
I love that you're getting paid but I'm so sad to be advertised to by you :/
The wooden coaster is the only coaster to date I have managed to give a extreme exitement rating. Without any "cheat" builds, I built it as a syncronised coaster with pre built "the storm". Best coaster I have ever made
Review each woody Chris Sawyer provided in another video. Ugly twisters really needs more love, it's this mirror mobius design.
That thumbnail be lookin’ good! Thanks for using my woodie 😃. I totally forgot I built that years ago!
YES!!! I have been waiting for this!!
There are some types of coasters that have something... special about them.
Keep it up
I love the wooden coaster. It is easy to build, has good stats, is quite affordable, can be rather compact and looks amazing. I always build one if I have it availible. It is my second favourite coaster type after the vertical drop coaster.
I love the wooden coaster. I always wait until I'm around halfway through a scenario, when my park is built up, my loan is paid off, and I have plenty of cash to throw around. Then it's time for an elaborate wooden coaster design.
I usually max out my bank loan making it my first or second coaster, lol!
Awesome, also, I would like to know more about block brakes!
the 16::55 design looks ideal for placing it inside a "building" and making it a dark ride
That felt like 10 minutes, not 20. Great video, the wooden coaster is my favorite
I love these ride overview videos. I learn so much and they have such good info and examples. Thank you for making these.
Surprised to see this one isn't in the ride overview playlist
I rode the Son of the Beast at King's Island. Going into the loop makes your neck snap back pretty hard and they adjusted it multiple times to try to reduce there whiplash, before giving up and closing it indefinitely.
They made the loop too circular then. There’s something to do with forward momentum that does better in an upside down water drop shape, when you’d think it would be opposite.
They figured that out with the first looping ‘coasters’ which were weird looking 1 seater carts hauled up to one height with horses, then there’d be an incline on the other side as well.
Wow, Opera GX might be very happy with this sponsorship, I think.
Very good video, Marcel!
Great video...Who doesn't love a big woody...I love building them in all my parks. My favourite woody you made was the one for your mega park you called it 'Jungle Rumble' I use it sometimes for my guests and they love it...
Ah, Woodchip, the default track most people would build in Forest Frontiers
I have never clicked on a Marcel Vos video so quickly. This is my favorite ride in the series.
I think one of my proudest moments in RCT was managing to squeeze a full-size wooden roller coaster into the RCT classic level Micro Park.
Nice! Just about all my parks feature a wooden coaster, but Micro Park (think it's called Dinky Park in the version I have) had to wait till I bought land across the highway. My wooden coasters tend to be massive multi-chainlift affairs.
@@scottthewaterwarrior No, I'm talking about a different park. Micro Park is only a 15x15 area.
@@TheOriginalJphyper Oof, don't think I have gotten to that one yet then. I'm not sure I have ever built a wooden coaster that small.
@@scottthewaterwarrior It was not easy to squeeze a good one in.
I really like the wooden coaster . It's actually is my favourite coaster and is good as a standout or a perfect supporter .
Glad to see you getting that bag Marcel, and the ride overview is great! The wooden roller coaster is also the best looking coaster in the game in my view.
This video is super refined. Watching through your archive one can clearly see the development of your style over time and I think this is a great example :)
I live 3 hours from Kings Island, and have ridden the SoB multiple times! its great to see that added in game.
And Chris Sawyer knew the loop would be extreme compared to a regular steel loop before the ride was even opened haha.
I wonder how expensive some of my wooden coasters are? Probably like $15,000, lol! I tend to make massive wooden behemoths, often with multiple chain lifts.
I love building a good wooden coaster, especially with articulated trains as well.
Ride guide suggestion maybe Launched Freefall and Roto Drops? What are stat penalties for height/speed? Why is the prefab Escape Hatch the best blend? Etc
the designs section damn near brought a tear to my eye
- recommends one just because it looks good and came from a stream
- on another the color scheme is kinda ugly but over the years Ive gotten used to it
- theres nothing quite like making ur own custom coaster and seeing ur guests enjoy it
this man loves his craft
In my view on the Wooden coaster. The awesome looking supports and structure are both it's best and worst feature.
It occupies a lot of visual space. This is good because it's pretty. It's also bad because it distracts from other pretty stuff and blocks other pretty stuff.
One of my favorite things to do is to have a nice weaving section to rail through super fast boosting average speed, followed by some bunny hops. I especially like ones that use two hills like The Beast in order to boost the length to a nice full 5 minute maximum. With proper design you can make amazing excitement stats, and look good doing it.
For more compact designs the loop is great for driving up the excitement rating when you don't have enough room for the hill count necessary to get great stats otherwise.
Question for the room, do we know what the Woodchip design is based on? I always thought it was based on the Cyclone at Southport Pleasureland but never been sure. Thanks in advance all
Great video marcel!!
you dont need to guess on whats causing the intensity just look on the graph of the g forces over time and u will see where it peaks , its the graph tab
I really enjoyed the long-form video. That being said, I also liked the mini vid from last week. I think having a 15-20 minute deep dive every few months is a nice treat.
SON OF BEAST my childhood backbreaking roller coaster made it into the video lol!
i grew up on rct, and now i have my own pc and this game is where my heart lies. Im not even 22 yet and im so lucky to have this guy here now. Marcel, thank you for reigniting my love for this game again and again and again.
Favorite type to build in-game and my favorite IRL.
Any real-life theme park without one is just bush league. (And no, ex-woodie RMCs don't count, sorry.)
Wooden Rollercoasters are by far my favorite one to build and i almost never use premade designs. Steel Rollercoasters scares me in real life, so making the Wooden ones that i would want to ride gives a huge satisfaction!
Best wooden coaster Ive been on is the Wooden Viper in Six Flags Great America, Fast. short, janky, it was a better experience then any steel coaster Ive personally been on. 10/10 would ride it all day if i could.
babe, wake up. 20 minute marcel vos video just came out.
Would be cool to see Open RCT2 add more trophies such as longest coaster, most exciting park, tallest ride, etc..
12:49 Ah. I see you are a man of culture.
I rode Son of Beast at King's Island back when it still had the loop, and it was a terrible experience. Wooden coasters are generally a rough ride, but that one I remember being particularly bad. The loop itself (which was made of steel) was the only smooth part of the ride. They eventually removed the loop, and a few years later tore the whole thing down, and replaced it with a steel hanging coaster called Banshee.
This was such a nice video
wohoo new video. let it be long, please let it be long. IT IS! 🥳🥳🥳
Good busy, Marcel!