@@TheGianGame It's a pretty normal bronze to GM ladder thats in every Blizzard game like that. Other than the problem of smurfs (due to the game being f2p) the matchmaking works pretty well. I don't know how you would solve the issue of multiple characters, but it does have 3 playable races with some transferable gameplay, so they must have figure it out too.
@@TheGianGameeven more than that there are documented algorithms - look up the glicko-2 algorithm if you aren't aware They could basically just paste that in with the old ranks and call it a day Maybe steal the top 100 idea from the games that do that too
@@TheGianGameStarCraft 2 has a similar ladder system to league of legends. Ranks are grouped into bronze/silver/gold/diamond/... Each have bands you need to rank up to advanced e.g. bronze 3, bronze 2, bronze 1 -> silver 3, etc. You have to play placement matches before being assigned your first rank. When you win or lose you gain MMR based on the MMR difference between you and your opponent [like chess elo]. MMR to rank conversion were just bands e.g. Bronze 3 = 1000 MMR [like chess everyone starts at 1000], Silver was closer to 2000, Gold was around 2500, etc. The game has seasons. Your in game profile keeps shiny pictures of all your rank for different seasons -- on a new season you get a bit of a headstart based on your previous rank. Their was a grandmaster league that qualified people for tournements hosted by blizz. And there were different divisons of players - where each division has a leaderboard of ~100 players and you work your way up your leaderboard before you get promoted out into a better rank devision e.g Gold 1 -> Diamond 3 Also had some nice features like you could view other people's profiles and easily see their match history and watch their replays.
Something that always bothered me with ranked modes, in all games but mostly with fighting games, is how the goal posts move just when you're reaching them. I recently hit mighty ruler for the first time with lee and was super happy with it, I still am. I always heard "real *insert game* starts at x rank" but that seems to keep moving. With tekken especially with the prowess matchmaking it feels like a goal that moves away from you faster than you can move towards it. I'd love it if the matchmaking stabilized in some way there's more clear differences in player skill between colors, or even individual ranks. To me it feels like a melting pot from red to purple having played people from all tiers of those colors.
I'm Low Blue / High Purple and matchmaking is still horrible and I consistently see players 5 Dans+ over me and double my prowess (and I have a screenshot of 10 games to prove it). I WILL NOTE that the amount of points I lose or gain is much more fair though. I gained roughly 800 from beating a high Gold, and lost only 250 from one that beat me and that feels more reasonable than before. PS: I'm also noticing a lot of lousy players and flowchartists are seriously inflated in rank so I think it'll take a while to sort out, but yea, matchmaking is terrible but the win/loss of points is much fairer imo.
The reason I’m getting fed up with this game is the prowess match making. I’m at ryjin rank with king and yoshi and my prowess is 195.000 I’m at a point I can’t have fun and learn and play other characters. When I do I’m against people with 200 thousand plus prowess non stop. So it’s impossible to learn and play a new character fighting essentially the best players in the game. It’s a joke. So I give up playing a new character as you can’t learn playing against non stop cracked players. Another thing I noticed is if I have a win streak even at maybe 3 matches the waiting time increases and eventually the game always pairs you up with other people who are on bigger win streaks. It’s so manipulated.
my experience with street fighter online ranked, no delay even with wifi players, your even rewarded a lot if your on win streak, and points only added if after finishing the 2 matches and yet tekken can't do this. My only con there is the matchmaking kinda limited at times on region meaning kinda region locked
The Main problem with rank for me is still that it is not motivating as it was in T7. Not only because of the gameplay in general but because of the lack of deathmatches. When you met the right player in T7 you could can really test each other and the matchup in 10+ games. To experience anything similar in T8 you have to actively search people for Lobby Games. Ranked mode no longer offers a deeper and more satisfying experience like it used to. I am not interested in gimmicks. Btw: I play in 250k prowess half of the ranked pool. And I stopped caring about Tekken King, emperor, god's rank JPG. This mode is all about prowess and even there you get matched with 400k+ prowess players on alts. But without deathmatches you can hardly even learn something worthwhile from them during the short games of T8.
@@tek87 the boost argument is meaningless and just a strawman. If you actually played Tekken ranked when deathmatches were still a thing you would know boosters are a none issue compared to the actual problems of Tekken ranked. Pluggers and cheaters are by far the biggest issues. And deathmatches were actually a way to make ranked better in that context. Once you find someone likeminded who actually wants to get better then you play them longer instead of cheaters/pluggers.
@@tek87 I don't understand the point of being afraid of someone boosting their rank. So a fujin player boosts himself to GOD, and then what? He will constantly lose if he keeps playing there. It's their loss.
I’m split with prowess cause on one hand I’m consistently fighting people at my level with my main but also whether it’s my main or not I’m getting matched with TG’s,TGS’s and TGD’s which I’ve felt are a huge jump in skill from me (tekken king)
I still am looking forward to them penalizing pluggers as well as tweaking the points lost or gained when someone is on their secondary or tertiary character
@@JPROP-vb7svI am new to t8 but ik plugging was an issue since t7. They can fix it now since they’re on ue5 (it’s been proven to work on that engine) the technology exists they actively choose not to
Number 1 problem... easily rage quitting having little to zero penalty. An invisible number keeping hi level players on secondaries from playing with lpw rank players is good design just not implemented perfectly.
In my opinion, the ranking system of T8 is the image of the game, in other words: it's a true mess. Currently, that's still the Far West, bro. 🤠 Although some nerfs made the defense more effective, both side steps and sidewalks are still *less effective than during the alpha and even the beta.* Many strings DO catch you though you're in the back of your opponent! That bullshit didn't exist in T7 and consequently, you never know if you made the right choice and the worst is that sometimes you aren't even rewarded if you did it.
To solve ranked is really easy. You will have a FAIR system (defined as a system in which two persons with the same rank have a comparable skill with a given character) if you just remove the Tekken Prowess matchmaking. The Tekken Prowess matchmaking is singlehandedly the ONLY effect that makes ranked meaningless from a mathematical perspective. It creates a division in ranks (often exemplified in blues but it happens to every rank) that can lead to the known effect that a mighty ruler with a higher prowess is more likely to be good than a fujin with a low prowess because they are not fighting people with the same skill, so their win % is affected and thus their rank. All the other effects should be fixed as well, don't get me wrong: It is dumb (again, from a mathematical perspective) to decrease rank with a 50% win rate because it makes the distribution of ranks not normal, but at least you know, for example. that a Raijin is more likely to be better than a Fujin. The problem is that you collect a larger sample of people in Fujin than you would with a proper system, which is a system that makes you stand still in your rank with a 50% win rate. For the win streaks and loss streaks; it does not have an effect in the long run because of the law of large numbers but it still goes against the spirit of what a ranked system means imo. We can even argue that It actually has a positive effect if you are too far away from your estimated rank because you will have a positive win rate thus accessing your "true" rank faster, so I am not totally against it. The main point is that if they just stop matchmaking people through prowess we will have a ranked system that reflects skill in a clear way, which is not the case right now. I know maybe this sounds too obvious for you or the people reading this, but It seems it is not obvious for Bamco :/
For me, ranked needs only 2 changes. 1) Locked FT2. You wanna run away after the First? You lose the points and the other player gain the same amount. No more one and done. 2) If i win a set I need to be happy about that. How in the hell can i lose the first (-1700) win the entire set (600+600) and be STILL -500 points? I mean, wtf?! And it’s not a win or lose streak thing. I lost that amount of point with no streak.
Locked FT2 is a horrible idea. Many players have shitty internet, and with all the pluggers it just means you would waste even more time. Not to mention it encourages gimmicky play since people can't go lab their opponents characters after one game. It's one of the main braindead takes I see about T8. If you want more games, the solution is FT5 matches, not forced rematches. Not saying it would be better than what we have now, but it would be a better solution than forced rematches.
The solution is to implement a button after the connection goes like 100 plus. Of course if a plugger do plug he lose the points and you gain the win. No time waste when someone blug and you recive 1200 points. As for the gimmick is more a tekken thing. Is a problem today as well when someone escape after the FT1. If you put a FT5, we dont solve anything.
@@B1gLupuEhh, both should be addressed. Forced first to two and if I queue 5 bar only it shouldn't be a4 bar game with delay frames. And while I somewhat agree tekken 8 feels like a ft5 game, at the end of the day tournement pools are played ft2. If you lose to gimmicks that's on you to learn the gimmicks for next time and eventually stop losing to gimmicks
I must of been unlucky because the majority of my opponents when i got to Kishin at 180k to 190k prowess, i was almost exclusively matched with 250k to 450k prowess players, so i felt like i earned my Tekken King against genuine Blue to Gold rank players. However I don't like rank resets, in Tekken 7 that was the only time they did that, if they do it again, I'm dropping the game, outside the top level we don't have the time for it and it's not a popular decision so i think you guys should be ignored if you want a rank reset. Adjustments sure, but never remove my progress. I understand why max rank players like it, but sorry it's just horrible idea and should never be implemented again.
When they "reset rank" will it be the last time? I am half way through red now and this is my first tekken game online. Its hard but i don't really wanna grind back up to red past all the cheesy people spamming shit.
My main character was Fujin, when I started over with Heihachi, it put me in orange, and now I'm stuck in red due to Tekken prowess against ppl still spamming the cheese, RQing, and one and donning...
If they reset it i'm dropping it, this isn't Mortal Kombat, with the exception of the top players it wasn't a popular decision within the playerbase, just make adjustments and leave the rank progress as is, people will fall backwards or forwards naturally removing someone's progress is just annoying.
I played against your Bryan in ranked and you are a solid Bryan specialist. Really gave me a challenge. Much better than I expected. I was a hwoarang player xd
The Rank System is Better ..... but Still Wank. I think that the Stupid Streak bonuses and penalties are still there. They need to go. And why don't they have what Tekken 7 had ..... that if your opponent has a Main Chatacter much higher than the current character they are using you lose half the amount of points you normally would if you lose ?
It still puzzles me how friken hard it is to make a functioning 1v1 ladder in a videogame when starcraft 2 solved this issue like a decade ago.
Never played StarCraft how does it work?
@@TheGianGame It's a pretty normal bronze to GM ladder thats in every Blizzard game like that. Other than the problem of smurfs (due to the game being f2p) the matchmaking works pretty well.
I don't know how you would solve the issue of multiple characters, but it does have 3 playable races with some transferable gameplay, so they must have figure it out too.
could it be solved by giving each character placement matches? @@B1gLupu
@@TheGianGameeven more than that there are documented algorithms - look up the glicko-2 algorithm if you aren't aware
They could basically just paste that in with the old ranks and call it a day
Maybe steal the top 100 idea from the games that do that too
@@TheGianGameStarCraft 2 has a similar ladder system to league of legends.
Ranks are grouped into bronze/silver/gold/diamond/...
Each have bands you need to rank up to advanced e.g. bronze 3, bronze 2, bronze 1 -> silver 3, etc.
You have to play placement matches before being assigned your first rank.
When you win or lose you gain MMR based on the MMR difference between you and your opponent [like chess elo]. MMR to rank conversion were just bands e.g. Bronze 3 = 1000 MMR [like chess everyone starts at 1000], Silver was closer to 2000, Gold was around 2500, etc.
The game has seasons. Your in game profile keeps shiny pictures of all your rank for different seasons -- on a new season you get a bit of a headstart based on your previous rank.
Their was a grandmaster league that qualified people for tournements hosted by blizz.
And there were different divisons of players - where each division has a leaderboard of ~100 players and you work your way up your leaderboard before you get promoted out into a better rank devision e.g
Gold 1 -> Diamond 3
Also had some nice features like you could view other people's profiles and easily see their match history and watch their replays.
Gz to tekkenking! I have been promoted to vanquisher earlier today and im super proud 😮
And nice vid like always
Congrats! You will get to Red ranks soon! I'm trying to get to Blue ranks myself, its my peak so far.
Something that always bothered me with ranked modes, in all games but mostly with fighting games, is how the goal posts move just when you're reaching them. I recently hit mighty ruler for the first time with lee and was super happy with it, I still am. I always heard "real *insert game* starts at x rank" but that seems to keep moving. With tekken especially with the prowess matchmaking it feels like a goal that moves away from you faster than you can move towards it. I'd love it if the matchmaking stabilized in some way there's more clear differences in player skill between colors, or even individual ranks. To me it feels like a melting pot from red to purple having played people from all tiers of those colors.
I was getting paired with green ranks and orange ranks as a tekken emperor.
Did they at least fix the connection issues? It feels a lot less stable than it did before Heihachi came out
How do you show health on the health bar?
I'm Low Blue / High Purple and matchmaking is still horrible and I consistently see players 5 Dans+ over me and double my prowess (and I have a screenshot of 10 games to prove it). I WILL NOTE that the amount of points I lose or gain is much more fair though. I gained roughly 800 from beating a high Gold, and lost only 250 from one that beat me and that feels more reasonable than before.
PS: I'm also noticing a lot of lousy players and flowchartists are seriously inflated in rank so I think it'll take a while to sort out, but yea, matchmaking is terrible but the win/loss of points is much fairer imo.
The reason I’m getting fed up with this game is the prowess match making. I’m at ryjin rank with king and yoshi and my prowess is 195.000 I’m at a point I can’t have fun and learn and play other characters. When I do I’m against people with 200 thousand plus prowess non stop. So it’s impossible to learn and play a new character fighting essentially the best players in the game. It’s a joke. So I give up playing a new character as you can’t learn playing against non stop cracked players. Another thing I noticed is if I have a win streak even at maybe 3 matches the waiting time increases and eventually the game always pairs you up with other people who are on bigger win streaks. It’s so manipulated.
my experience with street fighter online ranked, no delay even with wifi players, your even rewarded a lot if your on win streak, and points only added if after finishing the 2 matches and yet tekken can't do this. My only con there is the matchmaking kinda limited at times on region meaning kinda region locked
The Main problem with rank for me is still that it is not motivating as it was in T7. Not only because of the gameplay in general but because of the lack of deathmatches.
When you met the right player in T7 you could can really test each other and the matchup in 10+ games.
To experience anything similar in T8 you have to actively search people for Lobby Games.
Ranked mode no longer offers a deeper and more satisfying experience like it used to.
I am not interested in gimmicks.
Btw: I play in 250k prowess half of the ranked pool. And I stopped caring about Tekken King, emperor, god's rank JPG. This mode is all about prowess and even there you get matched with 400k+ prowess players on alts.
But without deathmatches you can hardly even learn something worthwhile from them during the short games of T8.
You can't death matches in Rank mode. People will use it to grind and boost their ranks. Matches have to be limited to sets with random matchmaking.
@@tek87 the boost argument is meaningless and just a strawman.
If you actually played Tekken ranked when deathmatches were still a thing you would know boosters are a none issue compared to the actual problems of Tekken ranked.
Pluggers and cheaters are by far the biggest issues.
And deathmatches were actually a way to make ranked better in that context. Once you find someone likeminded who actually wants to get better then you play them longer instead of cheaters/pluggers.
@@tek87 I don't understand the point of being afraid of someone boosting their rank. So a fujin player boosts himself to GOD, and then what? He will constantly lose if he keeps playing there. It's their loss.
The rank point system is so fuckin stupid
I’m split with prowess cause on one hand I’m consistently fighting people at my level with my main but also whether it’s my main or not I’m getting matched with TG’s,TGS’s and TGD’s which I’ve felt are a huge jump in skill from me (tekken king)
I still am looking forward to them penalizing pluggers as well as tweaking the points lost or gained when someone is on their secondary or tertiary character
You must be new around here. They have been saying they were gonna fix that problem since tag 2. Never gonna happen
@@JPROP-vb7svI am new to t8 but ik plugging was an issue since t7. They can fix it now since they’re on ue5 (it’s been proven to work on that engine) the technology exists they actively choose not to
@hands-ongaming7180 yeah that's what I'm saying
They don't care
I think rank should be used for matchmaking criteria, and prowess should be used for point gain/loss criteria.
Number 1 problem... easily rage quitting having little to zero penalty. An invisible number keeping hi level players on secondaries from playing with lpw rank players is good design just not implemented perfectly.
In my opinion, the ranking system of T8 is the image of the game, in other words: it's a true mess. Currently, that's still the Far West, bro. 🤠
Although some nerfs made the defense more effective, both side steps and sidewalks are still *less effective than during the alpha and even the beta.* Many strings DO catch you though you're in the back of your opponent! That bullshit didn't exist in T7 and consequently, you never know if you made the right choice and the worst is that sometimes you aren't even rewarded if you did it.
To solve ranked is really easy. You will have a FAIR system (defined as a system in which two persons with the same rank have a comparable skill with a given character) if you just remove the Tekken Prowess matchmaking. The Tekken Prowess matchmaking is singlehandedly the ONLY effect that makes ranked meaningless from a mathematical perspective. It creates a division in ranks (often exemplified in blues but it happens to every rank) that can lead to the known effect that a mighty ruler with a higher prowess is more likely to be good than a fujin with a low prowess because they are not fighting people with the same skill, so their win % is affected and thus their rank.
All the other effects should be fixed as well, don't get me wrong: It is dumb (again, from a mathematical perspective) to decrease rank with a 50% win rate because it makes the distribution of ranks not normal, but at least you know, for example. that a Raijin is more likely to be better than a Fujin. The problem is that you collect a larger sample of people in Fujin than you would with a proper system, which is a system that makes you stand still in your rank with a 50% win rate. For the win streaks and loss streaks; it does not have an effect in the long run because of the law of large numbers but it still goes against the spirit of what a ranked system means imo. We can even argue that It actually has a positive effect if you are too far away from your estimated rank because you will have a positive win rate thus accessing your "true" rank faster, so I am not totally against it.
The main point is that if they just stop matchmaking people through prowess we will have a ranked system that reflects skill in a clear way, which is not the case right now. I know maybe this sounds too obvious for you or the people reading this, but It seems it is not obvious for Bamco :/
For me, ranked needs only 2 changes. 1) Locked FT2. You wanna run away after the First? You lose the points and the other player gain the same amount. No more one and done. 2) If i win a set I need to be happy about that. How in the hell can i lose the first (-1700) win the entire set (600+600) and be STILL -500 points? I mean, wtf?! And it’s not a win or lose streak thing. I lost that amount of point with no streak.
Locked FT2 is a horrible idea. Many players have shitty internet, and with all the pluggers it just means you would waste even more time. Not to mention it encourages gimmicky play since people can't go lab their opponents characters after one game. It's one of the main braindead takes I see about T8.
If you want more games, the solution is FT5 matches, not forced rematches. Not saying it would be better than what we have now, but it would be a better solution than forced rematches.
The solution is to implement a button after the connection goes like 100 plus. Of course if a plugger do plug he lose the points and you gain the win. No time waste when someone blug and you recive 1200 points. As for the gimmick is more a tekken thing. Is a problem today as well when someone escape after the FT1. If you put a FT5, we dont solve anything.
@@B1gLupuEhh, both should be addressed.
Forced first to two and if I queue 5 bar only it shouldn't be a4 bar game with delay frames.
And while I somewhat agree tekken 8 feels like a ft5 game, at the end of the day tournement pools are played ft2. If you lose to gimmicks that's on you to learn the gimmicks for next time and eventually stop losing to gimmicks
I must of been unlucky because the majority of my opponents when i got to Kishin at 180k to 190k prowess, i was almost exclusively matched with 250k to 450k prowess players, so i felt like i earned my Tekken King against genuine Blue to Gold rank players.
However I don't like rank resets, in Tekken 7 that was the only time they did that, if they do it again, I'm dropping the game, outside the top level we don't have the time for it and it's not a popular decision so i think you guys should be ignored if you want a rank reset. Adjustments sure, but never remove my progress. I understand why max rank players like it, but sorry it's just horrible idea and should never be implemented again.
I just hit Tekken King on Bryan, uploaded a highlight video of climbing Blues if you're interested! :))
wait? i took my asuka to Fukin yesterday and my losses were equal to my win in battle ruler. I swear i was losing just as much point.
When they "reset rank" will it be the last time? I am half way through red now and this is my first tekken game online. Its hard but i don't really wanna grind back up to red past all the cheesy people spamming shit.
My main character was Fujin, when I started over with Heihachi, it put me in orange, and now I'm stuck in red due to Tekken prowess against ppl still spamming the cheese, RQing, and one and donning...
They won’t reset it for years
Red is low level already I highly doubt you’ll be heavily affected 😂
If they reset it i'm dropping it, this isn't Mortal Kombat, with the exception of the top players it wasn't a popular decision within the playerbase, just make adjustments and leave the rank progress as is, people will fall backwards or forwards naturally removing someone's progress is just annoying.
Just play your subs in quick matches
I played against your Bryan in ranked and you are a solid Bryan specialist. Really gave me a challenge. Much better than I expected. I was a hwoarang player xd
nice vid
Ranked is piss easy now
How, just for Fujin down?
@@VolcanoZX no for fujin and above aswell ill explain if you want
@@burntpotato7116I agree but can you explain?
The Rank System is Better ..... but Still Wank. I think that the Stupid Streak bonuses and penalties are still there. They need to go.
And why don't they have what Tekken 7 had ..... that if your opponent has a Main Chatacter much higher than the current character they are using you lose half the amount of points you normally would if you lose ?
online play is just garbage still.. so inconsistent with delays
This games a pile of shit.
And now to the negative part