What are your thoughts, is Casey Stoner right? Is it better for Honda to leave the sport if they are still not competitive in 2027? Let us know in the comments down below ⬇
Of course he is wrong about Marc, but he is right about 2027. My question is I know they have been churning out a ton of new parts to be tested, but who have they really hired? Or are we still talking about the same bunch of Japanese engineers that have been in the company for decades? Bottom line is this, it seems to me Honda is running around like a headless chicken. What they need is engineering expertise in aerodynamics and strong technical leadership. Before we even talk about MotoGP, just look at Honda's effort in WSBK. Is absolutely pathetic. It is a complete train wreck that has been going on for much longer than even its current MotoGP disaster. Let me ask you this, if they can't even build a competitive WSBK bike, how can you expect Honda to be able to sort out a much more advanced and complex MotoGP prototype bike? The new 2027 rules are supposed to help out the Japanese manufacturers with much less emphasis on aero. If for some reason they still can't come through? Then, yes they should pull out and do a complete internal overhaul before they even think about racing and motorsports again.
@@RascallucciHonda and its current riders should abandon any hope till the 2027 bike is ready or until they can get some good European engineering or development team or a change of mindset
@@jasondias2778 Yep. They are getting absolutely nowhere. Honda needs to headhunt the MotoGP equivalent of Adrian Newey in F1 who is not named Gigi Dall’Igna. That is what they need to do. They need an engineering guru/savant who can turn around the entire engineering department in Tokyo.
if Honda doesn't get competitive in 2027, they should just quit. with these years ahead before the new regulation, Honda should put more focus on the 214V starting from now. About Marc it's not his fault, its Honda's braindead decision to develop a bike around one single rider that could give them best result, and left the rest behind.
How many decades did it take for the European brands to catch up to the Japanese? In fact the concessions system was started by the Japanese brands so that the European brands could compete. The Japanese manufacturers have been struggling just since a couple of years, knowing what the Japanese are capable of, they'll surely bounce back sooner or later.
All the budget in the world cant fix stupid....similarly you can pay a rider as much money as you want if it aint the RIGHT rider working with the RIGHT people? It will never happen....Its chemistry man....the formula has to be RIGHT or it just cant ever happen
Honda and Yamaha and Suzuki,should all go to WSB , with full works teams. Moto Gp, isn’t what it used to be, with all the gadgets & rider aids. etc, have sort of spoiled it all. The sport needs to return to pure rider skills, that were once the cornerstone of the sport of bike racing..
I remember times when Japanese bikes, especially Hondas, used to have the most "advanced electronics". Or the most gimmicks - depending on how you see things. Now that things have turned around, they are complaining about the same things that made them being the strongest before...
No, they have got the resources. Honda will bounce back sooner or later. They just need a Test rider alongside Bradl that has a lot of experience on those winning bikes. With Aleix retiring & certainly looking for a test ride. I'm sure Honda, BMW & Aprilia will have a tag war for him. The highest bidder will win. He has clarified that he is willing to change manufacturer in case someone offer him an interesting job.
it´s really tough for me as a old Honda fan to see how Honda the biggest Motorcycle Brand where has win many many races and titles are nowhere now, how could that be with so much engineers know how and money?
Yeah.. It's embarrassing and disappointing, I never could have imagined how Honda would fall this hard. And outside of racing I think they haven't been very interesting in their road bikes, I hope the old Honda will be back in the near future..
I am a die-hard European bikes fan... but I am too very disappointed at Honda 's performance. There is not enough interest if every time the first places of the championship is... a Ducati cup! There is no value in victory if you don't have a strong, worthy opponent!
Big question. Did DUCATI left the sports when they struggle for how many years? NO! It's only been 2 years since Honda start to struggle. Let's see what happen in the next few years when they pounce back. All these Honda haters will be sweeped under the rug.
The past years were Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Ducati, Ducati. And didn't Honda win like 5 in a row? I know they won a bunch. However, I do think Joan Mir crashing while fighting for, oh, 12 place, does show that Honda is probably down by 20 to 40 hp compared to Ducati. Joan Mir isn't the best rider but he's extremely consistent and rides very conservatively, but he's crashing a lot just to keep a top 15 placing.
I believe when a bikes at its highest speed, it needs aerodynamics. Other tech like the holeshot device can be removed but Aerodynamics which sort of poses a risk (turbulence) to other riders during a race shouldn't be ignored.
Marini said he was not pushing as hard as he could but trying to remain as fast as possible while being stable to log as much laps as he can for the development. No real gain on going ball out and risk injury which will stall development. He knows the 25/26 Bike will be the one to go and push as hard as he can.
They got stoner Puig neglected him They got pedrosa Puig neglected him They got alex rins Puig neglected him Oh looks pol espargaro Oh looks luca marini Lets put this clowns and hear their input
@@kaveiros75 imo yes, i started watching in the 90's, huge Rossi fan all my life, but the show is much better then it was back then.. just because Honda went in a wrong direction, and Yamaha doesn't want to change their characteristics, that's their mistake. it's faster then its ever been every weekend again..
@@jeffreyvd8213 Personally, the last truly great race, (from start to finish) was 2015 's Philip Island! Don 't get me wrong, I still enjoy every race, every weekend, but still there is no comparison with the fights of the past. You saw actual fighting back then. Now, yes... it 's faster, but it 's all about tyre pressure management and who can brake half a milisecond later.
😢honda is a disgrace and dis- honorable company! And needs to go away,always trying to manipulate the rules to suit them,lying to Rossi and breaking promises- just a total dis-grace!@#%%&&*()😢
The moto gp now is boring. All you see is Ducati 1 to 5. Their is no passing.Its like F1 BORING to watch. Casey Stoner is right the areo’s on the bikes have destroyed the class. Get rid of all areos and traction control
@@billyoungtheblade6120you haven’t watched. There’s been multiple leaders drop the bike, loads of overtakes, a rookie taking it to the “veterans”, Marquez riding through the pack. It’s been great
Aero has killed moto gp for me. I've pretty much lost all interest. Even the aesthetics are crap now. These used to be dream bikes, now they look crap.
Should never have signed Marini. He’s not up to being a factory rider. I like Stoner but he’s got some neck blaming Marquez. Seem to remember nobody else could ride the Ducati but him.
Many people blamed Marquez, because they couldn't see him riding a Honda in such conditions, but he was able to bring Honda to the front of the grid, even since 2016 Honda was helpless with the new regulations, but Marquez with his natural ability was able to bring Honda to the championship, that's true, in unexpected. So blaming Marquez is a way to cover up Marquez's strengths, because Marquez's existence has indirectly degraded many racers in M0T0GP. The motorbike he brought was not just slow, but dangerous. Professional racers definitely know this but are reluctant to say it, instead they blame Marquez, that's how to beat him.
If I remember correctly the previous Ducati regime before Dall'Igna were reluctant to change things as Stoner wanted because "he was already fast anyway" even though nobody else could ride the thing.
I doubt so Honda will quit motogp project. They had the resources to do it. It now they need the right attitude to run it. They had good engineer back ground. They may had overlook for years building a bike for just one specific rider. This is where the mistake they may had make. Ducati took almost 14 years later to be champion. For sure now the Japanese turn around will not be in 2027. 😅
Chill Casey, you had your day in the sun. And with Espargaró as a test rider, Honda will be competitive in 2025. Aleix did wonders for Aprilla. He will do the same for Honda.
just give me a bike to look at that actually looks like a motorcycle that I could relate to, IMO lets go back to the good old days where the driver made a big difference not the aerodynamics and all the electric riding aids . twist the right grip and hold on with some brakes , now that is a motorcycle . :) LOL IMO of course , I don't even watch Moto GP anymore , I watch superbikes now
Stoner really needs to wake up and shut up. He keeps seeing the situation as the time he was racing. Rhings changed. He cant even understand business concept. How much would motogp lost if Honda is gone. Percentage wise, majority of asian fans are behind Honda and Yamaha.
Business may be business... but sports is sports, too! Go watch a race of the past 10 years or more (even better before 20-25 years) and tell me what is more enjoyable and exciting.
I bet I could fix Hondas team with a pile of papers. The papers would each have the names of all the individuals managing any aspect of the team all the way up the and down the chain. Everyone gets the same paper and they privaatey anonymously rate each name scale of 1 to 10 with three check boxes after each name name one "keep" another "can" and the third "promote" with place to write a code for what job they SHOULD have When all the papers are tallied up but by a monitored thrid nuetral parties? Then whatever the reaults are FOLLOW IT! And watch what happens! Because my opinion is there is some power stuggle politicy people thing happening at Honda motogp racing heirarchy that prevents the right people from running the show .....the same sort of crap that happens at corporations all over the place losing stick holders money. All it takes is an entrenched douchebg here or there that is enough to throw a wrench in the gears....some people are like cancer My guess is that the very same staunch loyalties and work ethic mindsets that can make Japanese companys AWESOME can also backfire and make them disfunctional with weak links in the chian
What are your thoughts, is Casey Stoner right? Is it better for Honda to leave the sport if they are still not competitive in 2027?
Let us know in the comments down below ⬇
Of course he is wrong about Marc, but he is right about 2027. My question is I know they have been churning out a ton of new parts to be tested, but who have they really hired? Or are we still talking about the same bunch of Japanese engineers that have been in the company for decades? Bottom line is this, it seems to me Honda is running around like a headless chicken. What they need is engineering expertise in aerodynamics and strong technical leadership. Before we even talk about MotoGP, just look at Honda's effort in WSBK. Is absolutely pathetic. It is a complete train wreck that has been going on for much longer than even its current MotoGP disaster. Let me ask you this, if they can't even build a competitive WSBK bike, how can you expect Honda to be able to sort out a much more advanced and complex MotoGP prototype bike? The new 2027 rules are supposed to help out the Japanese manufacturers with much less emphasis on aero. If for some reason they still can't come through? Then, yes they should pull out and do a complete internal overhaul before they even think about racing and motorsports again.
@@RascallucciHonda and its current riders should abandon any hope till the 2027 bike is ready or until they can get some good European engineering or development team or a change of mindset
@@jasondias2778 Yep. They are getting absolutely nowhere. Honda needs to headhunt the MotoGP equivalent of Adrian Newey in F1 who is not named Gigi Dall’Igna. That is what they need to do. They need an engineering guru/savant who can turn around the entire engineering department in Tokyo.
if Honda doesn't get competitive in 2027, they should just quit. with these years ahead before the new regulation, Honda should put more focus on the 214V starting from now. About Marc it's not his fault, its Honda's braindead decision to develop a bike around one single rider that could give them best result, and left the rest behind.
How many decades did it take for the European brands to catch up to the Japanese? In fact the concessions system was started by the Japanese brands so that the European brands could compete. The Japanese manufacturers have been struggling just since a couple of years, knowing what the Japanese are capable of, they'll surely bounce back sooner or later.
I agree what the he'll..Did everyone forget The Rossi Ducati years they could not do anything to win
Ducati workerd harder they didn't quit
Not if the wrong people hold key positions....that is like cancer
@@dwnnn7390 They got the right people on the problem finally is my guess THAT would have been when Ducati turned it around and not unitil...
All the budget in the world cant fix stupid....similarly you can pay a rider as much money as you want if it aint the RIGHT rider working with the RIGHT people? It will never happen....Its chemistry man....the formula has to be RIGHT or it just cant ever happen
Honda and Yamaha and Suzuki,should all go to WSB , with full works teams. Moto Gp, isn’t what it used to be, with all the gadgets & rider aids. etc, have sort of spoiled it all. The sport needs to return to pure rider skills, that were once the cornerstone of the sport of bike racing..
I remember times when Japanese bikes, especially Hondas, used to have the most "advanced electronics". Or the most gimmicks - depending on how you see things. Now that things have turned around, they are complaining about the same things that made them being the strongest before...
No, they have got the resources. Honda will bounce back sooner or later. They just need a Test rider alongside Bradl that has a lot of experience on those winning bikes. With Aleix retiring & certainly looking for a test ride.
I'm sure Honda, BMW & Aprilia will have a tag war for him. The highest bidder will win. He has clarified that he is willing to change manufacturer in case someone offer him an interesting job.
it´s really tough for me as a old Honda fan to see how Honda the biggest Motorcycle Brand where has win many many races and titles are nowhere now, how could that be with so much engineers know how and money?
Yeah.. It's embarrassing and disappointing, I never could have imagined how Honda would fall this hard. And outside of racing I think they haven't been very interesting in their road bikes, I hope the old Honda will be back in the near future..
@@rns6889 🤞
I am a die-hard European bikes fan... but I am too very disappointed at Honda 's performance. There is not enough interest if every time the first places of the championship is... a Ducati cup!
There is no value in victory if you don't have a strong, worthy opponent!
Big question. Did DUCATI left the sports when they struggle for how many years? NO! It's only been 2 years since Honda start to struggle. Let's see what happen in the next few years when they pounce back. All these Honda haters will be sweeped under the rug.
The past years were Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Ducati, Ducati. And didn't Honda win like 5 in a row? I know they won a bunch. However, I do think Joan Mir crashing while fighting for, oh, 12 place, does show that Honda is probably down by 20 to 40 hp compared to Ducati. Joan Mir isn't the best rider but he's extremely consistent and rides very conservatively, but he's crashing a lot just to keep a top 15 placing.
Honda are not doing that great in WSBK neither... Hopefully, things will improve for them soon as we don't want to lose them, do we?
I believe when a bikes at its highest speed, it needs aerodynamics. Other tech like the holeshot device can be removed but Aerodynamics which sort of poses a risk (turbulence) to other riders during a race shouldn't be ignored.
Marini said he was not pushing as hard as he could but trying to remain as fast as possible while being stable to log as much laps as he can for the development. No real gain on going ball out and risk injury which will stall development.
He knows the 25/26 Bike will be the one to go and push as hard as he can.
但是cs27 他沒有發展出一輛好的賽車。而是用自身技術去克服車子的缺陷但缺陷沒改善。當初VR46在Ducati 說硬件要改善但廠亦是沒聽進耳。
They got stoner
Puig neglected him
They got pedrosa
Puig neglected him
They got alex rins
Puig neglected him
Oh looks pol espargaro
Oh looks luca marini
Lets put this clowns and hear their input
What’s Hondas excuse the wealthiest company of em all
Can’t remember him saying something positive about anything in motogp last few years
Unjustified?
@@kaveiros75 imo yes, i started watching in the 90's, huge Rossi fan all my life, but the show is much better then it was back then.. just because Honda went in a wrong direction, and Yamaha doesn't want to change their characteristics, that's their mistake.
it's faster then its ever been every weekend again..
@@jeffreyvd8213 Personally, the last truly great race, (from start to finish) was 2015 's Philip Island! Don 't get me wrong, I still enjoy every race, every weekend, but still there is no comparison with the fights of the past. You saw actual fighting back then.
Now, yes... it 's faster, but it 's all about tyre pressure management and who can brake half a milisecond later.
No Honda on the grid there is nothing to see motogp again..
Even they receive like 2% of viewership on the track because they are always at the back, soo there is still more to see in motogp
It's time to ged rid of Honda and Yamaha. It was boring to see their domination for more than 30 years.
😢honda is a disgrace and dis- honorable company! And needs to go away,always trying to manipulate the rules to suit them,lying to Rossi and breaking promises- just a total dis-grace!@#%%&&*()😢
Stoner wants racing to go back to the level when he was actively racing. His mindset is seemingly dated to a bygone era
Not just Stoner 's mind. Everyone 's mind who may re-watch a race of the past 10 or more years.
👍👍
The moto gp now is boring. All you see is Ducati 1 to 5. Their is no passing.Its like F1 BORING to watch. Casey Stoner is right the areo’s on the bikes have destroyed the class. Get rid of all areos and traction control
Agree, lose the rider "Aids" and let's see who the best rider is................😎
go watch wnba then
No overtaking? Did you watched the recent MotoGP races?
@@wanderer54796 yes I did and it was boring.Hardly any overtaking. All you could see ducati 1to 5 apprilla ktm ducati honda and yamaha still coming
@@billyoungtheblade6120you haven’t watched. There’s been multiple leaders drop the bike, loads of overtakes, a rookie taking it to the “veterans”, Marquez riding through the pack. It’s been great
Aero has killed moto gp for me. I've pretty much lost all interest. Even the aesthetics are crap now. These used to be dream bikes, now they look crap.
Just like you😂
Should never have signed Marini. He’s not up to being a factory rider. I like Stoner but he’s got some neck blaming Marquez. Seem to remember nobody else could ride the Ducati but him.
Many people blamed Marquez, because they couldn't see him riding a Honda in such conditions, but he was able to bring Honda to the front of the grid, even since 2016 Honda was helpless with the new regulations, but Marquez with his natural ability was able to bring Honda to the championship, that's true, in unexpected. So blaming Marquez is a way to cover up Marquez's strengths, because Marquez's existence has indirectly degraded many racers in M0T0GP. The motorbike he brought was not just slow, but dangerous. Professional racers definitely know this but are reluctant to say it, instead they blame Marquez, that's how to beat him.
If I remember correctly the previous Ducati regime before Dall'Igna were reluctant to change things as Stoner wanted because "he was already fast anyway" even though nobody else could ride the thing.
good for nothing marini is only good at crashing enea out lmao.
Zarco was a better development bet
And now everyone is riding Ducatis. I think Stoner knows what he's talking about.
i understand it was going to end up as an aerodynamics battle on the track sooner or later but i do not like that look at all on street bikes
Honda should have improved their bike by 2027.
Honda should have keep Pedrosa on board as a test rider, look what he has done with KTM.
I doubt so Honda will quit motogp project. They had the resources to do it. It now they need the right attitude to run it. They had good engineer back ground. They may had overlook for years building a bike for just one specific rider. This is where the mistake they may had make. Ducati took almost 14 years later to be champion. For sure now the Japanese turn around will not be in 2027. 😅
Mr Honda looking over from heaven 🤦♂️
the point of moto gp is pushing the limits of biking not for pr its about the limits yamaha . hinda ducati. apprilia kwaxka, its pushes all forward
Chill Casey, you had your day in the sun. And with Espargaró as a test rider, Honda will be competitive in 2025. Aleix did wonders for Aprilla. He will do the same for Honda.
Of course he is right he's the man best rider I have ever seen live
love form INDIA, good content💗
Has Stoner had anything good to say about the sport? I don't even think he liked MotoGP when he was racing.
About time he kept quite
just give me a bike to look at that actually looks like a motorcycle that I could relate to, IMO lets go back to the good old days where the driver made a big difference not the aerodynamics and all the electric riding aids . twist the right grip and hold on with some brakes , now that is a motorcycle . :) LOL IMO of course , I don't even watch Moto GP anymore , I watch superbikes now
Japan:BUILD V4's!!!!!!!!'
Casey Stoner is used to quitting. All he does is complain and whine. We owe the 800cc era to him and his whining. Cuz he was scared.
Casey is retired, let it be like that. 😊
Stoner really needs to wake up and shut up. He keeps seeing the situation as the time he was racing. Rhings changed. He cant even understand business concept. How much would motogp lost if Honda is gone. Percentage wise, majority of asian fans are behind Honda and Yamaha.
Business may be business... but sports is sports, too! Go watch a race of the past 10 years or more (even better before 20-25 years) and tell me what is more enjoyable and exciting.
I bet I could fix Hondas team with a pile of papers. The papers would each have the names of all the individuals managing any aspect of the team all the way up the and down the chain. Everyone gets the same paper and they privaatey anonymously rate each name scale of 1 to 10 with three check boxes after each name name one "keep" another "can" and the third "promote" with place to write a code for what job they SHOULD have When all the papers are tallied up but by a monitored thrid nuetral parties? Then whatever the reaults are FOLLOW IT! And watch what happens! Because my opinion is there is some power stuggle politicy people thing happening at Honda motogp racing heirarchy that prevents the right people from running the show .....the same sort of crap that happens at corporations all over the place losing stick holders money. All it takes is an entrenched douchebg here or there that is enough to throw a wrench in the gears....some people are like cancer My guess is that the very same staunch loyalties and work ethic mindsets that can make Japanese companys AWESOME can also backfire and make them disfunctional with weak links in the chian
No one cares what Casey says.
I think casey stoner has far to much to say or himself 😂
Honda prefer bike selling than racing.
remove all stupid winglets.
Stoner the test rider full time
And what does stoner know youknow youknow