The other side of corruption in Indonesia | Elizabeth Pisani | TEDxUbud
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. With over 17,000 islands, 700 languages, and 249 million people, Indonesia is truly an improbable nation. In this talk, Elizabeth explores what holds this country together and the unique role of corruption and patronage.
Elizabeth Pisani eats dog for dinner. She also argues with local politicians about corruption and idleness. The result of a "just say yes" rule she adopted for 2012, when she travelled 23,000 kilometers by boat, bus and motorbike through Indonesia. It's a country that has fascinated and maddened her since she first lived there over two decades ago. Her book Indonesia Etc.: Exploring the Improbable Nation, is a clear-eyed, though not unsympathetic, portrait of a complex and contradictory land.
In her day job Elizabeth studies risky behavior (when not engaging in it herself). She has a PhD in Infectious Disease Epidemiology and other degrees in Classical Chinese and Medical Demography. In a previous life, she was a political correspondent for Reuters and The Economist, covering stock markets, revolutions, and the messy end to the occupation of Tiananmen Square.
She has lived in a dozen countries and can flirt at a bar in several languages, including Indonesian.
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Still under colonial thinking influence, driven by clan-based benefits way of behave. This is way beyond anyone reach, even the government, for now. And Indonesian is not homogenous as Korean or Japanese, so its really hard to change as fast as our east asian brothers do. Education is the key
My dude, what she is saying is that under suharto, the indonesians were sort of doing what the japanese did with the zaibatsu
before the colonial brother, since empire.
Family connection is everywhere...every country in the world.
It's not "Social capital actually" its the primordial basis of corruption and nepotism, It's behaving in a way that implies those who I am acquainted with are worth more and deserve more then the people who I am not associated with, I find it really sickening that this kind of stuff is actually respected in most societies up to this date.
It makes my stomach gurgles.
Probabaly those who practicing corruption have extrachromosome called KKN DNA.
Best 17 minutes of learning the hard truth of Indonesia history
The speaker's understanding about Indonesia & indonesian family's concept were not completely correct.
Sadly she just didnt want to call KKN as KKN, trying to camouflage it as something else.
The Dutch might not rule Indonesia the whole 350 years, entering in the beginning as trader, but the last 100 - 150 years of their existence in bumi Indonesia using Forces / Army to run their monopoly in trade, controlling areas and collecting taxes, killing resistances etc were absolutely a Colonialism. There were present other traders at that time, such as Chinese, Arab, Indians & etc but they didnt try to rule like the Dutch. The speaker is an expert in using her "selected" words to camouflage real meanings & facts.
@@yususetyo3202 🤣cry about it, indonesia is still corrupted
if indonesia were a PC that perform poorly due to viruses (corruption), no antivirus (various law enforcer) can fix it. there a lot of program (governing bodies) that need to be uninstalled due to mediocre performance but very take toll to the PC memory (the country fund). hence, the best method to fix the thing is to reset everything through OS reinstallation (total reformation)
Fun fact VOC tuh perusahaan terbesar yg pernah ada sampe skrg di dunia net worth nya 3x google+microsoft+aple digabung, saking gedenya mereka bs perang dgn negara lain, spanyol dsb, mereka jg pada suatu waktu mengendalikan pemerintahan negara mereka sendiri, cmn pd akhirnya mereka hancur sendiri dengan budaya korupsi, nah budaya ini jg yg mereka tularin ke negara kita, sampe kita gk nyadar sama sekali ini adalah korupsi, ditilang korupsi, bayar pajak korupsi, mau masuk sekolah korupsi, kerja korupsi. Makanya gw gk aneh, kehancuran VOC dulu lambat laun bakal diulangi indonesia lg, dgn culture korupsi kita.
Boleh dijelasin lagi maksud bagian ini, "...mereka hancur sendiri dengan budaya korupsi, nah budaya ini jg yg mereka tularin ke negara kita, sampe kita gk nyadar sama sekali ini adalah korupsi, ditilang korupsi, bayar pajak korupsi, mau masuk sekolah korupsi, kerja korupsi."
Saya masih belum menangkap maksudnya secara utuh.
Makasyi
The speaker's understanding about Indonesia & indonesian family's concept were not completely correct.
Sadly she just didnt want to call KKN as KKN, trying to camouflage it as something else.
The Dutch might not rule Indonesia the whole 350 years, entering in the beginning as trader, but the last 100 - 150 years of their existence in bumi Indonesia using Forces / Army to run their monopoly in trade, controlling areas and collecting taxes, killing resistances etc were absolutely a Colonialism. There were present other traders at that time, such as Chinese, Arab, Indians & etc but they didnt try to rule like the Dutch. The speaker is an expert in using her "selected" words to camouflage real meanings & facts.
Salut nya ga bisa dibayangkan. Belanda sangat pintar berdagang. Gimana negara sebesar Sumatra barat, bisa nguasai wilayah yg besar dan jauh dari Eropa. Manajemen bisnisnya mantap. Hancur karena korupsi
Corruption are everywhere not only in Indonesia, but... Maybe a bit severe here. Anw as Indonesian myself, i hate this country.
I lose hope for this country
let's just hope the younger generation can do better. Important thing is, the mid and old ones should left a better legacy for them.
I am indonesian and i have never felt so offended by something i completely agree with
don't you can make a change, BUY A GUN!!
the funny part about this country is everytime old generation ruling, they basically messed everything up and then the youth speak up to the street and do the oration.
but when the old generation eventually replaced by those youths and they become the old one, they messed it up again and then the youths speak up to the street and do the oration again and it happens for generations now, as if they stucked in a time loop.
The current government are still dominated by the new order cronies. Hopefully in the future it will get better.
Our founding fathers
Bung Hatta said Indonesia match with federal government system. Not unitary. Im imagine. If Indonesia ia federation. Indonesia will be very powerful and rich in Asia
Hahaha we jailed the only governor willing to speak out against corruption because of "blasphemy"... lmao corruption at it's finest
Welcome to Indonesia, Jakarta in more particular
@@natyaprabowo2141 oh my, I'd tbh prefer jakarta over aceh, not cause shariah, but the human rights violations
Honestly, all she said is true !
No Prio Pambudi,
I disagree. Indonesia is still a good country. Read my comment above.
@@svonkarmo433 Indonesia is corrupted, what is false about that
Its sad. I am trying to set up a business here and there are so many rules and taxes to pay. The amount of paperwork is the same as it would he in a western country. Now I know that all this paperwork offers more opportunities to be corrupt😅
brilliant, im indonesian, and i think thats 100% true.
Live in indonesia, not exactly the best at speaking indonesian, my main language is english, but either way observing her rn
corruption is the encrichment of diversity n part of tradition lol
is not an taboo but inherent culture n the perpetrators are so proud to do so
the society is permissive to corruptors n its considered not a big crime since adultery is being consdered a severe guilty than doing corruption
The Politics, beautiful in concept, Terrible in practice.
Yes, corruption is rampant in Indonesia. Yes, Indonesia has a long road to overcome. I certainly do not feel any respect on this discussion on our country with a vast diversity, history, challenges, and culture. Where not everyone is corrupted. Irony to see a TED talk seemingly making Indonesia as a laughingstock. Developed nations takes pride on not being corrupt while some have their Corporatocracy destroying their own fabric of democracy... where the rulers are no longer the people. Don't overlook the role of IMF and the west in making high level deals squandering Indonesia's resources.. from its days of inceptions. and No, we do not blame 'everyone else' for our issues. We are working to improve, it may take time, and do treat our nation with respect.
I think she just overly simplified the issues. And yes I agree with you, with the last sentence of your statement, we are working in progress. We are a young country, compare to let say USA, even they already independent more than 200 years, and still have Donald Trump as a president.
Extrachromosome detected amongst corruptors called K DNA.
She should introduce herself and explain her connection to Indonesia. She is clearly bright, and has a lot more to say...
As an Indonesian I'm offended... But I can't say anything because it's true 😂
P. S.: I'm just joking about being offended 😂 🤣
Corruption in various forms including Bribery is a power of individual mental and physical control, which glorifies greed. Imposed as a tool of continued colonisation, despite countries calling themselves independent. Countries which had minimal European occupation are the least corrupt and countries with years of European occupation are the most corrupt in the world!
As Mahatma Gandhi said "the world has enough to satisfy everyone's needs but not enough to satisfy one greedy person"
Honestly... and Sadly... All what she said are all true..
Not really true Putra. We are trying to get better. Indonesia is not as bad as the modern countries (USA, Europe, Japan) in managing its money. Read my comment above. Pisani has a critical eyes, but she failed to see the elephant in the room.
The speaker's understanding about Indonesia & indonesian family's concept were not completely correct.
Sadly she just didnt want to call KKN as KKN, trying to camouflage it as something else.
The Dutch might not rule Indonesia the whole 350 years, entering in the beginning as trader, but the last 100 - 150 years of their existence in bumi Indonesia using Forces / Army to run their monopoly in trade, controlling areas and collecting taxes, killing resistances etc were absolutely a Colonialism. There were present other traders at that time, such as Chinese, Arab, Indians & etc but they didnt try to rule like the Dutch. The speaker is an expert in using her "selected" words to camouflage real meanings & facts.
I love her and I also loves her writing
Yah begitulah Di indonesian memang banyak terjadi korupsi hingga saat ini
Me as an Indonesian sadly agree with her the fact that they haven't stopped their corruption now, many Indonesian wants to move to other countries now
for example, me who wants to move, I mean luckily I live in Batam which iirc has some differences from other parts of Indonesia
@@ryeryeryerye how lucky of you, here i am, living in java
Even godsend malaikat become corruptors upon stepping on this country.
The way she justify her nepotism is like our politician.
Some time we call it 'local wisdom'.
0:24 KKN
1:49 Hebat Kan?
2:23 money in SIM
2:35 i guess that makes me a koruptor
Sadly there are many bureaucrats that have no real job to perform and only collect pay checks and sometimes figure out a new task that “needs” to be done. Resulting in having the need to hire more people that will not conduct any real work.
Well done Miss. I'm sold!
The speaker's understanding about Indonesia & indonesian family's concept were not completely correct.
Sadly she just didnt want to call KKN as KKN, trying to camouflage it as something else.
The Dutch might not rule Indonesia the whole 350 years, entering in the beginning as trader, but the last 100 - 150 years of their existence in bumi Indonesia using Forces / Army to run their monopoly in trade, controlling areas and collecting taxes, killing resistances etc were absolutely a Colonialism. There were present other traders at that time, such as Chinese, Arab, Indians & etc but they didnt try to rule like the Dutch. The speaker is an expert in using her "selected" words to camouflage real meanings & facts.
well said, indeed.
Thanks
I feel sad. Thats true
Hello, can you talk about cooperation?
Njir ni doi siapa sih?
blak blakan ngigau kayak orang mabok, cuma bedanya yg dia omongin bener.
Kebenaran yg pahit buat kita semua
Baca deh bukunya, Indonesia Etc. Elizabeth Pisani bukan orang biasa, she's really the one we need.
Did she say the dutch never colonize indonesia??
She did. As a Dutchmen I was surprised too😅
Accurate? Very!
The explain UUD it kena. UJUNg UJUNG Duit it mean on the end money wkakaa
Why don't we just unite small districts into bigger ones to just the right size, based on ethnicity/culture/norms, so its easier to organize, influece and keep track of its leaders and actions?
That's blatant identity politics and you know it. Next thing you know the local regent will be campaigning "Halmaheru for the Halmaheru Tribe!", which is already exceptionalism and just one step away from separatism.
It will lead to separatism eventually
It's intentionally arranged that way so that none of those areas can rebel
it will lead to segregation
Neo- Feodalism culture is the one factor which trigger endemic corruption in Indonesia.
The fundetion id uuD it mean tol the end ITS a money
what is your opinion - Indonesia under JOKOWI now?
NUAH TARIGAN Jokowi is making indonesia great again. Babi Rizieq is shitting it
GamerDerp Agree
NUAH TARIGAN
:D
Jokowi supported Omnibus Law and UU minerba that's make Indonesia corrupt again.
Traders? Lmao... why those "traders" killed so many Indonesians?
My dude they were not doing that for a long time
And secondly whenever they did in general, it was actually the southeastasian nations fighting, which to be fair was to get more trade power but still
Now fast forward 6 years later.. Under jokowi, corruption & nepotism are getting worse
6year later 300T rupiah money laundry under the nose of Finance minister.
Imo not worse, but exposed
lo lo, gue gue~ mantap anjing~~~
Whatever the person is telling could be true. Yet, I cannot help feeling patronized by white western woman who again just looking for a stage to explain Indonesians as the Others and laugh about it. Not funny nor entertaining.
Corruption and islamization.
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Corruption, Life's good. 😂
Indonesian is corrupti
lolololo it's not dangerous sir 🤓
ngelucu bang?
ga lucu 🤓