At the end of the video when Sinnott-Armstrong listed possible neuroscience discoveries that might go very wrong, he omitted mind control... especially weapons of mass mind control. About 25 years ago I asked Christof Koch if he was concerned about this, and he replied "no, that's at least 30 years away."
The greatest dangers have to do with private interest covert intentions and the narrative influences they can propagate and or perpetuate like so many sophists among so many sheeple and ravenous power interests.
Examining Moral Responsibility is definitely a weird/slippery slope. What our societies are built off of(survival, ignorance, bias) is now being examined very slowly by science and we're have a hard time reconciling the fact that free will and what not, might be bullsh*t. From what I understand, the more and more and more we learn about, the brain, the body, the environment, the less control we realize we actually have.
I think it's useful to see that control and the ability to make different choices is a capacity we can have more or less of. If we have limited or incorrect information for example, if we have limited experience in dealing with a problem, but also due to emotional response factors or problems like drug dependency. In a given situation a drug addict might have very limited options they can actually choose regardless of what they might otherwise want. Of course, in terms of responsibility we'd have to ask to what extent they're responsible for being an addict in the first place. An important point is that there are steps we can take to give ourselves more options. We can become better informed, we can learn new skills, we can get access to better tools or resources that give us better capabilities. As a parent one of the things I tried to do was ensure that my children had experiences and skills that gave them more options, including confidence in their own abilities.
@@simonhibbs887 I agree with you in the sense that, thinking we have choice and free will has its advantages. I believe with the right experiences and education we can change. For the better and for the worse, I guess. I just don't believe we are "free" to "choose" to do that. We have to be exposed to the right things at the right times. What you are doing for your child is "perfect", so to speak. For example: Light comes from the sun or a light bulb, goes though molecules in the air, hits an object. The light goes off of the object and into our eyes. The information travels through the brain and effects/affects different regions and neurons. The brain now sees and realize it is looking at a rattlesnake. The decision is now made in the frontal lobe and other places whether or not you should run, freeze, or attack the rattlesnake. The brain sends signals to the spin, which sends signals to the arms, legs, etc. Now you're running away from a rattle snake. This process is happening with everything we do, for our entire lives. At some point while all this is happening, "you" aka the brain, the ego, the self, becomes conscious and aware. These signals are moving somewhat at the speed of light so "you" aren't necessarily in control of anything except the awareness and experience of this happing. Where is control? When does it start and end? I do believe the idea of control and the idea of choice is a real thing to us but is this actually happening, I say no. Assuming everything I just said is true, moral responsibility in a technical way doesn't make sense. It's a lot more complicated than what I'm saying, but I assume its close to what I said. Technically we aren't in control of anything but we experience life as if we are.
@@prodbyed4549 On the other hand there is no choice without the process of choosing. We infer a set of options, evaluate those options according to criteria, which results in on of them being acted upon. 'Reality' can't bypass any of that, these are all things that happen and are necessary, and we call this process making a choice. Since words mean what we say they mean, clearly choice is something that exists in the world.
@@simonhibbs887 I'm not saying choice within itself is not a thing, going left or right is a real thing. I'm saying the "freedom" to choose left or right, is not a thing. The word responsible has many forms in our society, in one sense it means, someone is trust worthy. In another sense, it means duty. In another, it means reason for, etc. Moral responsibility is saying someone or an agent is the reason for something. Yes, that may be true but that's a half truth. What's the reason for the reason they did what they did? What cause, caused the cause that made the effect. Does that not matter? Before the process of choosing can be a thing, process within itself has to be a thing. First the Vacuum. Energy causes fields, fields cause quarks, quarks and electron causes atoms, atoms cause molecules, molecules cause the environment, the environment causes left and right and the brain, the brain chooses to go left or right. This leads to that, which leads to that, which leads to you choosing chocolate or vanilla.
Even if society concludes that people aren't morally responsible, for example due to lack of "strong" free will, punishments would still make sense as a deterrent to protect society.
Question is how he believes drugs in brains to stop health brains problems if neurosience keep out how figure out brains funcions? Lack experiement take place guys doesnt know brains as neurosience does. Drugs healing esquizofrenia but neuroscience keep out how brains make up it so far.
'Let what comes come, let what goes go, take me to where the wind begins.' Buddha spent his entire life understanding the mind, mental states, suffering, and evil(desire). Life is tough. Live a simple life. May your home, family, and friends be your kingdom. Wisdom seems to be the most real of all, be it money, cars, luxury, fame, authority....Sophia is real - as in not fleeting, short lived, etc. Nobody escapes the law. There's really nothing to fix. We aren't here to fix this state and realm, but to live true and liberate.
We need to go beyond the limits of neuroscience to understand the mind!
Thank you for your excellent report.
The human mind can keep its mind to itself.
At the end of the video when Sinnott-Armstrong listed possible neuroscience discoveries that might go very wrong, he omitted mind control... especially weapons of mass mind control. About 25 years ago I asked Christof Koch if he was concerned about this, and he replied "no, that's at least 30 years away."
It probably still is. After all general artificial intelligence was only 15 years away back in the 70s.
It's interesting that chemicals can improve the soul.
The greatest dangers have to do with private interest covert intentions and the narrative influences they can propagate and or perpetuate like so many sophists among so many sheeple and ravenous power interests.
responsibility from God causation?
Examining Moral Responsibility is definitely a weird/slippery slope. What our societies are built off of(survival, ignorance, bias) is now being examined very slowly by science and we're have a hard time reconciling the fact that free will and what not, might be bullsh*t. From what I understand, the more and more and more we learn about, the brain, the body, the environment, the less control we realize we actually have.
I think it's useful to see that control and the ability to make different choices is a capacity we can have more or less of. If we have limited or incorrect information for example, if we have limited experience in dealing with a problem, but also due to emotional response factors or problems like drug dependency. In a given situation a drug addict might have very limited options they can actually choose regardless of what they might otherwise want. Of course, in terms of responsibility we'd have to ask to what extent they're responsible for being an addict in the first place.
An important point is that there are steps we can take to give ourselves more options. We can become better informed, we can learn new skills, we can get access to better tools or resources that give us better capabilities. As a parent one of the things I tried to do was ensure that my children had experiences and skills that gave them more options, including confidence in their own abilities.
@@simonhibbs887 I agree with you in the sense that, thinking we have choice and free will has its advantages. I believe with the right experiences and education we can change. For the better and for the worse, I guess. I just don't believe we are "free" to "choose" to do that. We have to be exposed to the right things at the right times. What you are doing for your child is "perfect", so to speak.
For example: Light comes from the sun or a light bulb, goes though molecules in the air, hits an object. The light goes off of the object and into our eyes. The information travels through the brain and effects/affects different regions and neurons. The brain now sees and realize it is looking at a rattlesnake. The decision is now made in the frontal lobe and other places whether or not you should run, freeze, or attack the rattlesnake. The brain sends signals to the spin, which sends signals to the arms, legs, etc. Now you're running away from a rattle snake. This process is happening with everything we do, for our entire lives.
At some point while all this is happening, "you" aka the brain, the ego, the self, becomes conscious and aware. These signals are moving somewhat at the speed of light so "you" aren't necessarily in control of anything except the awareness and experience of this happing. Where is control? When does it start and end?
I do believe the idea of control and the idea of choice is a real thing to us but is this actually happening, I say no. Assuming everything I just said is true, moral responsibility in a technical way doesn't make sense. It's a lot more complicated than what I'm saying, but I assume its close to what I said. Technically we aren't in control of anything but we experience life as if we are.
@@prodbyed4549 On the other hand there is no choice without the process of choosing. We infer a set of options, evaluate those options according to criteria, which results in on of them being acted upon. 'Reality' can't bypass any of that, these are all things that happen and are necessary, and we call this process making a choice. Since words mean what we say they mean, clearly choice is something that exists in the world.
@@simonhibbs887 I'm not saying choice within itself is not a thing, going left or right is a real thing. I'm saying the "freedom" to choose left or right, is not a thing.
The word responsible has many forms in our society, in one sense it means, someone is trust worthy. In another sense, it means duty. In another, it means reason for, etc.
Moral responsibility is saying someone or an agent is the reason for something. Yes, that may be true but that's a half truth. What's the reason for the reason they did what they did? What cause, caused the cause that made the effect. Does that not matter?
Before the process of choosing can be a thing, process within itself has to be a thing.
First the Vacuum. Energy causes fields, fields cause quarks, quarks and electron causes atoms, atoms cause molecules, molecules cause the environment, the environment causes left and right and the brain, the brain chooses to go left or right.
This leads to that, which leads to that, which leads to you choosing chocolate or vanilla.
Even if society concludes that people aren't morally responsible, for example due to lack of "strong" free will, punishments would still make sense as a deterrent to protect society.
Question is how he believes drugs in brains to stop health brains problems if neurosience keep out how figure out brains funcions? Lack experiement take place guys doesnt know brains as neurosience does. Drugs healing esquizofrenia but neuroscience keep out how brains make up it so far.
this is a madman. he needs to be in a horror story.
'Let what comes come, let what goes go, take me to where the wind begins.'
Buddha spent his entire life understanding the mind, mental states, suffering, and evil(desire).
Life is tough.
Live a simple life. May your home, family, and friends be your kingdom.
Wisdom seems to be the most real of all, be it money, cars, luxury, fame, authority....Sophia is real - as in not fleeting, short lived, etc.
Nobody escapes the law. There's really nothing to fix. We aren't here to fix this state and realm, but to live true and liberate.