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Not Sending Your Kids to Children’s Church is Loving Them.
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- In this episode, Wes and Lucas discuss why Christian parents shouldn't take their kids to children's church as it segregates the family, and most importantly, children's church is not in fact, church at all.
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I have been amazed at the questions or comments my son makes during church even when I don’t think he is paying attention. It’s lead to some great conversations between us.
Yes sometimes it’s hard and difficult but has been worth it for my family.
The way it should be! Happy to hear this!
This is soooooooo good men of God!! Words cannot express how much this needs to be said all over the nation. I am blessed by this message and have tried conveying it to other fellow believers. God bless you🙏🏿🙌🏿💙
Glad to that! Please share!
This is so refreshing to hear from Godly men of your age, keep it up! We say that if sounds by the kids bother you, too bad!
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I had to send my daughter to children’s church because I was on staff as the organist. My wife would not go to church very often so took her to the nursery until she was old enough for children’s church. I have been blessed to have great children’s church leaders. I wanted her in church in what ever way I could. When her mother came to church she was in service with her. When my daughter was old enough to sit in the pew without supervision she was in the service.
The children were in the service on communion Sunday.
I want to add another comment, for you (and the algorithm).
I do think that this is an important video and that everyone needs to seriously consider what you have presented. Regardless of agreement or disagreement, it is important that we consider these things for ourselves and carefully establish our understanding of church, corporate worship and the "whys" of what is done.
In short, I do think this video is worth watching and should be watched.
Thank you so much!!
@@methodministries Absolutely! Keep putting out these videos. I thoroughly enjoy them.
@@darthnocturnis3941 Awesome to hear! Please pray for us!
Have always had the same thoughts on this, thank you!
You got it! Please share this video!
A majority of the children that utilize our children ministry are from single parent homes or nonchristian homes. Our children ministry isn’t mandatory and it’s only for children under the age of 9. All children are welcome to the service, but in a city with a high one parent demographic, we use it as a ministry to help those struggling parents. As the parent grows in their faith, we start seeing parents bringing their children to service.
My church didn't have enough kids for children's services and that was honestly one of the best things to happen to my faith
Not enough kids or no children’s church?
Agree 100%.
Glad to hear it!
I disagree with the premise, but I think it's because we have vastly different understandings of "children's church."
Do you disagree with the definition of church (saints gathered, Word is preached, sacraments administered)?
@@methodministries I agree with the definition as it is presented.
Out of curiousity and not unrelated, do you have experience with special needs children?
@@darthnocturnis3941 Based upon the definition then, children's church does not meet the qualifications.
No, I don't have special needs children. Why do you ask?
@@methodministries And I think this may be where we differ a bit. I should clarify first that I have never been in a church where "children's church" was a drop-off daycare for children. My experience has always been that children's church was where the children would be provided a lesson more directly for them. It has also been my experience and observation that the model I am familiar with is no less effective than what you have discussed in the video above. I have been privileged to witness many children grow into faithful young adults in this manner.
I think key elements to consider are these:
1) Children are never told they don't belong in service and are always welcome to stay. It's not a forced dismissal.
2) They are provided with a biblical lesson, not simply propped in front of a movie or given some form of entertainment in substitution.
3) I have never seen children exempted from the sacraments with the full assembly. Every pastor I have been under has made a clear and deliberate point to include any and all children.
I think, in many ways, we have different understandings of what constitutes "children's church." I understand your argument is that there is still "separation" for that period and I would not disagree, but I would suggest that standing too firmly on that in all contexts is pedantic.
The reason I bring up special needs children, is because seeing children across the spectrum, dealing with various behaviors, and the challenges that come from this does tend to change the perspective. I'm not talking about behavioral disorders brought about by poor parenting; in those, I firmly hold that the parent needs to toughen up and do what's necessary. I speak from experience on this one, not simply from practical theory (father of five, from ten to one). However, I have also worked in a school where the children are so severely disabled in ways that are hard to express.
I will say that even in my disagreement, your points do ensure that I am checking my perspectives and how I see church. I do want to ensure that children's church is not simply "daycare" for parents.
I do think, however, that it is undervalued in what it can be. Taking the same words of Jesus, "Let the little children come to me" and going beyond "Let the little children come be present in the message," I think that there is appropriate room for children to be brought to Jesus in a way unique to them.
@@darthnocturnis3941 I get what you are saying, but lessons are not church, and if they are separated from the sacraments, it's not really church for them even if they are not denied when they are there. That's the point of this podcast. I am not saying that there may not good merits or things about it, but it's not really church by definition and i mean there's nothing more to the definition.
Never can know what a child is
Being indoctrinated with
Anymore
The concept discussed in this video is called a "family integrated church". It is important that churches practice this model so that children and youth develop a love for the liturgy, preaching, and sacraments. In churches that have children or youth gatherings during the time of the service, those that attend them soon abandon their faith when they go to college as they have no idea on how to integrate themselves as an adult into a local church.
I do strongly disagree with Wesley Todd about not holding mid-week prayer meetings. That is a historic practice of Methodism, especially those churches of the holiness movement. The Lord's Day should be sanctified by a morning service and an evening service. On Wednesdays, the church should gather together for the mid-week service.
Ernest khalimov is Gigachad, definitely a chad
I would be interested to hear your opinion on having "children's church" a couple times a year.
I appreciate the question! It’s still a no because it’s not church.
I appreciate your challenge to consider church as a family activity and that all churches should remember that Jesus welcomed children. However, your understanding of what constitutes 'church' and 'children's church' is very much limited to modern America. You refer to Paul's instructions, but I don't think you'd recognise any of the churches (meeting in homes) that he set up. The church I grew up in (in the UK) had a 400 year old Sunday School. Throughout its history, its activities were aimed at providing a Bible-based education for children, originally separated from and then alongside church services. In that church and in my current church, children are a part of the services (usually at the beginning). They are part of our worship and are always present for baptisms and occasionally for Communion. When it comes to 'sitting under the Word', as you call it, they do - just with gifted Bible teachers (men and women) in their groups. We take our Junior Church responsibilities very seriously. I was privileged to be a part of a team some years ago that looked into faith development in kids and we have worked hard to use that to guide what they learn. We now have some amazing teenagers and young adults who know their Bible better than many church-going adults and who are keen to serve by leading Bible studies etc. Junior Church (as we call it) has been incredibly helpful to them and their families as we all grow together in Christ. Our church is here to worship God and to allow Him to grow His Kingdom through us. We are not passive. We serve Him and each other - in Junior Church, as part of the Worship Team, as part of the Prayer Team and numerous other ways.