I will definitely use this video as my guide. Now to search for the patch I was given as a kid in the late 1970's. Side note... I lost much respect for both Tom Hanks, and Steven Spielberg for not hiring Mark Bando. Great miniseries that could have been better had he been the 101st AB historical consultant.
@@rzr2ffe325the production team called Mark frequently because no one had the answers they need him. Such a shame they didn’t bring him on as a full time consultant.
I collect authentic WWII Schiffli embroidered SSI WWII but back to GWOT period. This is a well documented use of the making of reproduction 101st SSI and glad you put this video out. You have gone thru a lot of understanding and making sure these do not get confused as the real deal SSI. Seasoned collectors like myself can pick the difference between WWII and reproductions. I also collect Afghan and Iraq theatre made SSI which uses the same computer generated process but different eagle variations. I also collect US made 101st Helmet patches from 2003 to today all unauthorized but worn with local commanders authorization, all based on the WWII era Helmet patch designs plus there are new modern era designs. Congratulations well done.
Sure appreciate the comment. I have put so much work into these and reenactors and collectors both seem to really like and appreciate them! I love seeing the regimental insignia on GWOT helmets. Super classy and a great tip of the hat to the old ways!
Coming from an 82nd only background I’m learning fast but more importantly right way from Kieth and his amazing work. Wish I’d seen this a week ago. I wrong bought 2 type 5s for my E co 2/502 impression. But I at least I know where I’ll be buying the right type 7s from. Bought a lot from stand in the door 1944, top top quality. Always happy.👍
so if i were to start ww2 reenacting why would i want to rep the 2nd best Airborne division in the US Army? Yes the puking buzzard is very popular, but i will prefer my AA.. ok guys i spent 10 years in the 82nd. nothing but love for the 101 guys and gals past and present. ALL THE WAY AIRBORNE!!! our patches and airborne tabs are still two different patches and tabs. I have to say this is i never knew they had so many different versions this is an awesome history lesson. thank you for it.
Don’t worry we feel the same way about you Alcoholics Anonymous guys! Haha My favorite “nickname” for the 101st is “the death bird.” That’s what the Germans started calling those guys after their deadly encounters with troopers wearing that patch in Normandy. But the screaming chickens and puking buzzards are obvious classics. Believe it or not the 82nd patches were the same. Quite a number of variants but they are much more subtle designs that the patch is so symmetrical. I make 82nd patches as well and more importantly I make the proper gauze flags. Proper size and perfect gauze material. Be sure and check them out along with our other gear at the standinthedoor1944 website!
Possibly. There were different types but they are not as well documented because the patch is very symmetrical and thus not much room for variation. I do make high quality repo 82nd patches though and more importantly I make excellent gauze flags! You can find them on standinthedoor1944.com
@@standinthedoor1944 i just wanted to ask if you know what patch type Dan McBride had in Normandy. Im the guy that is getting together Dans gear in normandy. i emailed you about it😁❤
I understand that Bando only interviewed Paratroopers and not Gliderborne troops. During WWII there was always friction between Paratroopers (Airborne qualified)and Gliderborne (Infantry) troops, hence the Army had to combine the cap badge to feature the Parachute and Glider to stop the fighting between the 2. The Glider borne troops were looked down upon as they weren't para qualified but they had the worst nightmare if the glider was shot down , no way to escape where as at least paras could possibly jump out.
I thought this difference in patches was exclusive to Brasil, I thought the US had a "single" production line and everyone followed a model. It's really cool to see this difference, congratulations on the video!!! I have 3 type 1 patches with me, now I need to identify mine correctly.
Ya there were so many different types. I don’t know how many companies produced them but there were a solid handful given all the different war time types.
Hi there the official US Army SSI is produced using the schiffli embroidery process , to this day it is still the official SSI of the US Army however with GWOT you will find a proliferation of unauthorized SSI as with WWII British made variants. The reason why there are so many variations is that the US worked on Government contracts and sent these out to schiffli embroidery companies , which also included small family owned companies. There were over 500 companies during WWII that produced US SSI in the vicinity of 65 million which has been documented. The schiffli process allowed the manufacturer to add an "artistic license" , hence the different shaped eye and the variations.
Haha that is a good one! Haven’t heard that one before. My favorite nickname for the 101st was “the death bird”. A nickname the Germans started to call them after their deadly encounters with troops wearing this patch in Normandy.
The BOB patches themselves are unique to the production just like the ones used in Ryan. Its interesting when you start paying attention to stitch lines and transitions.
I thought it was interesting to see the mix of colored and subdued patches in Vietnam when that change officially started to take place. I think colored patches look super weird on modern camouflage uniforms.
LT Wallace Strobel’s jump jacket is on display at the Dwight D. Eisenhower presidential library and boyhood home in Abilene, Kansas. Wally is the guy with the heavily blackened face, and the “23” number board, in the quite famous reference photo.
I was the 27th Brigade and we were attached to the 101st AB in Afghanistan in 2008, so I wore that as my Combat Patch (and have orders authorizing wear of it).
Awesome!! Appreciate your service. Wish the new made patches looked more like the originals. Was sick when I saw the patches West Point put on their Bastogne themed jerseys for the Army Navy game this year! Haha
The number typing system is based on how prevalent the patch was (aka how many of them were made during the war) rather than the date they were manufactured. A type 17 are very very rare where as a type 1 are a dime a dozen. Hope that makes sense.
While this is most important to understand when buying original uniforms. While the US was better about homogeneity than other countries, as reinacting goes, having an insignia that was generally available is fine. You don’t have to have the insignia that was most common. If you can chose when you are putting the impression together, chose then. If it passes the 10ft rule, then it is fine.
to be honest .. i realy really like and appreciate the effort good patch makers are far and between but still the Green Army Productions patches are still the very best out there absolutely indistinguishable from the real deal so much so that even "professional collectors " saw them as real and also sold en bought thos patches for way to much money this prompted Green Army Productions to mark there patches with GAP initials i personally know the maker and he will be back in the near future but if you are looking for the best ? 1. original 2. Green Army Productions 3. SITD 1944 the comes somes space in between 4.patch king and then an even waaaay bigger space in between 5. standard Repro good luck
Going off the thumbnail picture that's not even the same kind of soldiers, The Filthy Few are what you get when you have to break the glass to fight a war.
The filthy 13 were a wild bunch to be sure. The last 3 surviving members were at my graduation from the WWII Airborne Demonstration Team. Amazing to meet them and hear their stories.
To truly understand something means dissecting it down to the bones. Respect your passion for authenticity and accuracy!
Sure appreciate that! It is my pleasure to do it!
I will definitely use this video as my guide. Now to search for the patch I was given as a kid in the late 1970's. Side note... I lost much respect for both Tom Hanks, and Steven Spielberg for not hiring Mark Bando. Great miniseries that could have been better had he been the 101st AB historical consultant.
Probably would have even helped out for free if it meant getting the details accurate
@@rzr2ffe325the production team called Mark frequently because no one had the answers they need him. Such a shame they didn’t bring him on as a full time consultant.
I collect authentic WWII Schiffli embroidered SSI WWII but back to GWOT period. This is a well documented use of the making of reproduction 101st SSI and glad you put this video out. You have gone thru a lot of understanding and making sure these do not get confused as the real deal SSI. Seasoned collectors like myself can pick the difference between WWII and reproductions. I also collect Afghan and Iraq theatre made SSI which uses the same computer generated process but different eagle variations. I also collect US made 101st Helmet patches from 2003 to today all unauthorized but worn with local commanders authorization, all based on the WWII era Helmet patch designs plus there are new modern era designs. Congratulations well done.
Sure appreciate the comment. I have put so much work into these and reenactors and collectors both seem to really like and appreciate them!
I love seeing the regimental insignia on GWOT helmets. Super classy and a great tip of the hat to the old ways!
This was super intresting! Great work keeping your military historia alive.
Cheers from Sweden!
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Yes i'm allready subscribed :)
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Coming from an 82nd only background I’m learning fast but more importantly right way from Kieth and his amazing work. Wish I’d seen this a week ago. I wrong bought 2 type 5s for my E co 2/502 impression. But I at least I know where I’ll be buying the right type 7s from. Bought a lot from stand in the door 1944, top top quality. Always happy.👍
So appreciate your support!!!
so if i were to start ww2 reenacting why would i want to rep the 2nd best Airborne division in the US Army? Yes the puking buzzard is very popular, but i will prefer my AA..
ok guys i spent 10 years in the 82nd. nothing but love for the 101 guys and gals past and present. ALL THE WAY AIRBORNE!!!
our patches and airborne tabs are still two different patches and tabs.
I have to say this is i never knew they had so many different versions this is an awesome history lesson. thank you for it.
Don’t worry we feel the same way about you Alcoholics Anonymous guys! Haha
My favorite “nickname” for the 101st is “the death bird.” That’s what the Germans started calling those guys after their deadly encounters with troopers wearing that patch in Normandy. But the screaming chickens and puking buzzards are obvious classics.
Believe it or not the 82nd patches were the same. Quite a number of variants but they are much more subtle designs that the patch is so symmetrical. I make 82nd patches as well and more importantly I make the proper gauze flags. Proper size and perfect gauze material.
Be sure and check them out along with our other gear at the standinthedoor1944 website!
Love this content! Can we expect a future video on 82nd Airborne patch variants as well?
Possibly. There were different types but they are not as well documented because the patch is very symmetrical and thus not much room for variation. I do make high quality repo 82nd patches though and more importantly I make excellent gauze flags! You can find them on standinthedoor1944.com
really great info! I love your work❤ keep going☺
Thank you so much!
@@standinthedoor1944 i just wanted to ask if you know what patch type Dan McBride had in Normandy. Im the guy that is getting together Dans gear in normandy. i emailed you about it😁❤
@@czech_player9258unknown for sure but best best is the type 7.
What about the 327th/401st glider guys?
I feel they are often overlooked.
I understand that Bando only interviewed Paratroopers and not Gliderborne troops. During WWII there was always friction between Paratroopers (Airborne qualified)and Gliderborne (Infantry) troops, hence the Army had to combine the cap badge to feature the Parachute and Glider to stop the fighting between the 2. The Glider borne troops were looked down upon as they weren't para qualified but they had the worst nightmare if the glider was shot down , no way to escape where as at least paras could possibly jump out.
Per mark bando he says type 7 and type 6. Type 1s aswell were common among all the regiments
I thought this difference in patches was exclusive to Brasil, I thought the US had a "single" production line and everyone followed a model. It's really cool to see this difference, congratulations on the video!!! I have 3 type 1 patches with me, now I need to identify mine correctly.
Ya there were so many different types. I don’t know how many companies produced them but there were a solid handful given all the different war time types.
Hi there the official US Army SSI is produced using the schiffli embroidery process , to this day it is still the official SSI of the US Army however with GWOT you will find a proliferation of unauthorized SSI as with WWII British made variants. The reason why there are so many variations is that the US worked on Government contracts and sent these out to schiffli embroidery companies , which also included small family owned companies. There were over 500 companies during WWII that produced US SSI in the vicinity of 65 million which has been documented. The schiffli process allowed the manufacturer to add an "artistic license" , hence the different shaped eye and the variations.
You showned the film clip the actor Marshall Thompson goes right back to the 1960s when I used to watch Daktari?
Battleground is one of my all time favorite movies. Pure gold
Cool video my grandpa was with the 82 ABN on D-Day, he called the 101 ABN, The One O Worst Airborne.
Haha that is a good one! Haven’t heard that one before.
My favorite nickname for the 101st was “the death bird”. A nickname the Germans started to call them after their deadly encounters with troops wearing this patch in Normandy.
One of my favorite things about collecting militaria is; the term "uniform" is a lie because nothing really is if you have any sort of detail eye.
For sure! Manufacturing was all over the place. No two companies made them the same
The BOB patches themselves are unique to the production just like the ones used in Ryan. Its interesting when you start paying attention to stitch lines and transitions.
Indeed they are. Not a perfect type 1 in BOB but very well done. Haven’t looked at the patches in SPR though. I will have to do that.
Things change I notice now all the Cav patches are in color and are authorized.
That's only in-garrison. Anywhere else, the colored patches come off and OCP's go back on. Field and training areas.
@ gotcha and yeah lots have changed I was at Fort Hood in 2020 before they changed the name a few years back but I’m no longer in.
I thought it was interesting to see the mix of colored and subdued patches in Vietnam when that change officially started to take place. I think colored patches look super weird on modern camouflage uniforms.
LT Wallace Strobel’s jump jacket is on display at the Dwight D. Eisenhower presidential library and boyhood home in Abilene, Kansas. Wally is the guy with the heavily blackened face, and the “23” number board, in the quite famous reference photo.
Indeed it is and it has a beautiful type 7 patch on it. His 1911 is also still in existence though I don’t know where it is displayed.
I was the 27th Brigade and we were attached to the 101st AB in Afghanistan in 2008, so I wore that as my Combat Patch (and have orders authorizing wear of it).
Awesome!! Appreciate your service.
Wish the new made patches looked more like the originals. Was sick when I saw the patches West Point put on their Bastogne themed jerseys for the Army Navy game this year! Haha
I'm curious to know why the numbers go backwards instead of forwards
The number typing system is based on how prevalent the patch was (aka how many of them were made during the war) rather than the date they were manufactured. A type 17 are very very rare where as a type 1 are a dime a dozen. Hope that makes sense.
Were these identical patches just changed because of different embroidery personnel
Different personnel as well as different manufacturers most likely.
awesome
So glad you like it!
How about English made patches? Love to see a video on them.
Maybe at some point, be sure and subscribe so you can see if it comes out!
While this is most important to understand when buying original uniforms. While the US was better about homogeneity than other countries, as reinacting goes, having an insignia that was generally available is fine. You don’t have to have the insignia that was most common. If you can chose when you are putting the impression together, chose then. If it passes the 10ft rule, then it is fine.
Depends on the repo patch 95% of 101st patches don’t even pass the 10 foot rule. Haha.
Hope you liked the video.
@ - the video is great
to be honest ..
i realy really like and appreciate the effort
good patch makers are far and between
but still the Green Army Productions patches are still the very best out there absolutely indistinguishable from the real deal
so much so that even "professional collectors " saw them as real and also sold en bought thos patches for way to much money
this prompted Green Army Productions to mark there patches with GAP initials
i personally know the maker and he will be back in the near future
but if you are looking for the best ?
1. original
2. Green Army Productions
3. SITD 1944
the comes somes space in between
4.patch king
and then an even waaaay bigger space in between
5. standard Repro
good luck
I really like the back of the GAP patches. They looked solid.
@standinthedoor1944 I'm so happy another player (you) entered the market
There are so many shitty patch makers. Your look freaking good!
Going off the thumbnail picture that's not even the same kind of soldiers, The Filthy Few are what you get when you have to break the glass to fight a war.
The filthy 13 were a wild bunch to be sure. The last 3 surviving members were at my graduation from the WWII Airborne Demonstration Team. Amazing to meet them and hear their stories.
@standinthedoor1944 the kind of stories not shared in public and over a beer im betting.
Waiting for video about unreinforced jumpsuits in Normandy and who used them! (cuz I'm using unreinforced one). Thanks for video!
That’s on the list. Will probably come out and he first half of next year.
Excellent! White tongue forever!
Haha totally!
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Sure appreciate it!