@@boostedmedia oh yeah, they certainly have some great products, no question. I have a DD Pro (& a load of other Fanatec gear), I was really unsure if the DD Pro was going to be sufficient, but it has exceeded my expectations, as has the other Fanatec gear we have. I hope a solution can be found for Fanatec.
@@boostedmedia unreliable products tho. any and all forums you will find a lot of people with technical issues and zero help from the fanatec customer service. The OP is correct. they have way more to worry about. they have lost the mind share of the sim racing community.
@@boostedmedia It's been almost 2 years of owning a decent fanatec setup and generally I enjoyed having the gear but lately I've been wanting to move over to another brand simply because I can't stand how drifting suxs with such a weak bumpstops, I have to resort to FFB Tweaks settings in AC just to have a firm bump stop while all other brands have settings inside their firmware that lets you configure how soft or hard you want them to be. So playing other games my wheel sometimes rotates 40-50 degrees past the bumpstop range due to inertia and then I have this deadzone which I have to put the wheel back from to get steering back again and it suxs ... I've tried posting on forums to request this "feature" but they keep on delaying it. It was supposedly set to be out in 2022 or 2023 but now they're saying it they won't implement it until 2025 or later ... Obvioujsly I don't even know if they have any engeniers working on Fanatec drivers anymore due to the whole situation I just stopped following the whole story altogether ... And obviously changing just a base to Simmagic for example (Which everyone recommends fors drifting particularly) is tough because I don't even know how everything else would work without the base and everything. Or I could get the whole Simmagic setup and change everything at once but then that's a huge investment ... Sigh ... I'm curious on couple of things since you have experience with so much sim racing hardware. 1. How much better do you think owning a Simmagic base would in your opinion in comparison to something like CSL DD or GT DD PRO? 2. Does simmagic have any issues with game compatibility like for example Moza had? Like for example does Simagic have some sort of Compatbility mode like fanatec has? 3. Or do I stay within Fanatec eco system and upgrade my CSL DD to CS DD and hope that fanatec moves their ass and will continue developing features that customers request? I feel like I want to move out of Fanatec ecosystem but I'm so buried in it that it's a major pain to do a massive migration ... I just don't know anymore.
All Moza needs now is to get into a licensing agreement with Sony so Moza can make Playstation compatible wheelbase SKUs. An R3 or R9 Playstation Compatible wheelbase at a slightly more expensive price would be great tbh!
I bought into Moza based on availability and price but have continued to add their components because they're a no-brainer to me now. I trust them and that's a VERY nice feeling to have.
Same. Bought out of availability in NZ. Couldn't be happier. Love their eco system, haven't had a single issue, and the interactions with users on their discord etc. Prob gonna to go MOZA in my flightsim gear too!
Yup. Looks like a display so im sure they can just provide an option to disable the rotation in software. If not then they're dropping the ball with it. The input lag coupled with the damping is really jarring.
I wouldve definetly gone with Moza if i had a chance to start again. I was after a trucking setup anyway and built up something nice with Fanatec and Virpil but Moza has released exactly what i wanted in the first place. Im really impressed with Moza, theyll be getting my business when their ffb joystick releases as they have suppliers in Aus so they save me from extra customs charges, a win for the consumer.
No customs on these products into Oz just GST. Buying locally gives you Australian consumer law protection that is a big plus over buying OS and importing yourself plus Oz retailer would get better bulk freight rates I expect.
I feel the same way.. I've been waiting for years for a company to release turn signals/stalks. And Moza freaking did it.. The only thing Im a bit thrown appart about is, I really want the new Multifunctional Stalks, but I also would like to have the Simagic Alpha wheelbase.. just don't know whether its compatible. Im mainly drifting and street racing.
I recently bought the Moza R5 Bundle, and I'm really happy with it. However, I don't fully see the need for a wheel with a screen. I understand that some might want an F1-style wheel, but I never look at my wheel while driving, whether in sims or real life. Personally, I’d prefer a wheel without a screen. It seems more practical to buy a small LCD and place it next to the monitor for RPMs. The built-in gyro is a nice feature, but the constant shaking of the UI while driving makes it difficult to use effectively.
if you drive with out the wheel showing in sim you can lose out on revs, gears etc on cars where that info is displayed on the in sim wheel so i can see why people would want a screens with those cars.. personally i would just use on overlay to give me that info or if i could attach an lcd screen to my wheel base id do it that way.. i drive in vr in ac at the mo and there are cars where i end up using the in sim wheel display but then in those cars in vr you tend to be lower any way when my UW screen arrives i will just use an overlay. im limited for wheels on my g pro any way lol
its not just in f1 but in performance cars/tuned cars in general( obviously im street cars yiu dont have dash on your wheel) but you have a dash i have a tuned car and having a digital dash is very important in real life along with the guages such as widebands to monitor afr at all time because not having them can be dangerous
You can buy a formula wheel mod for like 40 bucks from moza for the r5 bundle , it's very simple , but makes the r5 even better as it's lighter wheel for the ffb to move. Hahah
I bought into the Moza ecosystem because of the FSR steering wheel mainly. It’s almost a straight up replica of the FIA Formula 4 steering wheel in my daughter’s race car. Also managed to mod the CRP pedals to exactly replicate both feel/throw and pressure of the F4. Helps to have it next to the rig while modding. Both iRacing and the actual race car use AIM data log which further helped get the actual pressure in the calipers spot on. Actually picked up a R21 today to swap the old R12v2 with. Haven’t tried the new algorithm yet but very excited to do so. Biggest downside (maybe really only so far) are the ridiculous oscillations. Can’t even take one hand off the wheel, but then again we have been running the R12 maxed out for F4 simulation. Be interesting to see if the R21 handles it better. Disappointed to hear Moza didn’t deal with this for their major update. To clarify: Not a big issue in anything else but the F4, but that’s 85% of what we are running.
Crazy how years back when the cheaper Direct Drives from Fanatec like the 5nm versions were announced. It was such a hype. At the same time Fanatec were abit partial on selling and shipping products to the UK at the time due to the Brexit ordeal. Fast forward to this day, more companies are making their own Direct Drives which ultimately buried Fanatec slowly. The joys of having multiple companies competing. Technology will keep going forward. And if the tech slows down. The competition switches from who has the better technology to who has the better pricing. For the benefit of the consumer.
Will I think you are absolutely right that this is not game changing for customers (for now) but for their brand reputation. Though I don’t like the wheel (whoever does a proper 911 GT3 R replica wheel first can print money), but getting a partnership with Porsche is huge for their brand and my trust in them. In fact I‘m considering switching from Fanatec.
Its a game changer for customers too. Old customers are grateful and new customers know that they wont regret their purchase as Moza keeps improving post sales.
Just missed a few clips of Will sweating in a corner, slamming an energy drink, stuffing some Skittles down for another kick and then the triumphant dash across the sim testing finish line :P
I was thinking of upgrading from my clanky Logitech G29, my intention was a Fanatech club sport base & the Mclaren Wheel & club sport peddles. Now after hearing Fanatec’s woe’s the past year I put my upgrade on hold. After hearing your thoughts on the Moza update I my go Moza but not for awhile as I spent the money I had put aside for an upgraded sim racing experience on a Mazda MX 5 track ready car and before anyone says that’s ridiculous saying that my slightly broken & being repaired MX5 cost about the same as the mentioned sim gear and boy is it fun!
I feel tons of detail on my DD in iRacing compared to the other sims I’ve used it on, such as RaceRoom, Rennsport and F123. I don’t get the same immersion in those as i do iRacing. It’s not even comparable honestly. I feel every bump dip crest and curb on my rig.
This is so weird to read. I've tried every setting I can find, and iRacing's FFB, while fine, still feels miles behind Rf2/LMU, AMS2, Raceroom, and the original AC. It's definitely serviceable, but it's far from laudable.
Great review, Will. I own a R16 base (after a R9 V1) and I must say that it is game changer. I couldn't believe the amount of information that I'm recieving now into my gear. It is just awesome. I few joy to drive now instead of fight with the car. Moza did really well :) Cheers!
Oscillations in iRacing is not inherent of the wheel base, it is due to the 60htz. Go into ACC and no oscillation due to higher frequency... Simucube, Fanatec, they will all oscillate in iRacing.
I've not fully nailed down my settings in iRacing yet for the 360hz but it's better than it was previously. Simucube are still king of that castle cause they have a higher resolution encoder (22 bit vs 18bit in the simagic) but it's certainly a significant improvement.
It's great when companies keep pushing each other, healthy competition is what's best for the consumer. Let's see where Fanatec goes from here and what other, currently more nieche brands like Asatek and Simagic can bring to the table. In unrelated news: is a review of the Simlab LC handbrake coming soon? I've seen it a couple of times already and thinking about getting one for rallying.
I bought two Moza wheels, the R16, SR-P pedals, HGP Shifter and the digital screen for 2,100 AUD One of the greatest deals I’ve ever made. I am delighted to get even more value out of a product I have already bought. It’s kind of feels like receiving a free new upgraded wheelbase I love the fact that Moza keep on investing in their software and ecosystem striving to act in the players interest
I like when my choice in wheelbase continues to be justified. Really looking forward to the active pedals. Going to get them un-active to start, as I need an upgrade for my T3PA's, but Moza is shining really brightly now.
I would really like to see a video with updated recommended settings for the Moza wheels (especially once this update drops for their other bases) I have an R9 and it is definitely an upgrade from the old T300 but it has been tough to get dialed in just right. I feel like I have had it at "good enough" for a while now. Would love to see what your suggestions would be with this new update!
This update's come out about a month too late for me to have briefly tested it and overseen its use in an esports competition on moza hardware, would have been interesting to hear what the drivers would have thought of it
I had a quick test (30 mins, iRacing) of the new software this morning, and my jaw hit the floor! I honestly highly rated the R12 before, it was just a bit of a thrashing beast more often than not. The new software makes it feel like a completely different animal, and in a good way, with the cogging now all but gone when out of game. I've never felt cogging when in the game, as some others have mentioned, so I cant comment on that. There is so much more detail in the feedback that I was going faster and faster with each lap... it almost felt like I had cheat mode turned on 😂 All in all it's an amazing software update, that makes the hardware seem magically upgraded too, bravo Moza.
Interesting. The oscillation on your wheel is strange. Sarah Nocchi tested that part too and had none of it, which was a pleasant surprise and great news. Did they revert?
Thanks for the video, happy to see Moza owners get more FFB quality for they're money :) The only reason i think why Fanatec will still be around is PS compatibility. Not hating on Fanatec as i got a DD Pro and a DD+ but other brands seems to give you more for the money these days if you dont need PS compatibility.
@@UncommonManFromEarth @UncommonManFromEarth Well there's a good few I'd say. The power is definitely a plus, the CSL DD has a noticeable drop off in torque mid corner, because it can really only hold at 6nm. One of the most immediate differences is how the R12 can sustain it's strength throughout the whole corner, it makes a big difference and feels a lot better. The R12's quick release is really great, if you're coming from a QR1 is a massive step up, if you're coming from a QR2, it's on the same level of rigidity. The software offers a lot of customization to feel the FFB the way you want and tailor it from game to game. The firmware does seem to improve the FFB further for some titles but it's always been a very detailed experience, never felt like i was missing something compared to the CSL DD. I have to say as well, the flexibility to just use any wheel you want without hassle is a big plus. As far as support goes, I can't speak too much for Moza directly as I buy my Moza stuff from Sim Motion, which they've been really nice to work with when I did have an issue, an issue that was thankfully resolved quite simply, but they were responsive and helpful and at the ready to send a label if something needed to be returned. That said, I've only had 1 issue since I've owned the base so I've only had to reach out the one time. Compare that to Fanatec, where I had to reach out quite a few times and eventually had to be refunded for a wheel and quick release. All and all the R12's been a great step up, I don't think you'd be disappointed going with them. I also have their SRP Pedals and a few wheels and I can say they're also quite solid. The only word of warning I can think of is if you choose to buy it, definitely buy the mounting bracket as it makes it much easier to mount. And be careful screwing the mounting screws into the bottom of the base as it's pretty easy to strip them.
Its identical in feel to fanatec. Ok well its close i still think fanatec edges that overal polished feel but its getting close. Ite very clear moza is going for that fanatec feel. Just shoes how much software matters. Whats funny is these moza guys will now know what they have been missing. All of them stated it felt as good as every other base. This update proves it didnt. Now its that good, congrats moza and moza users enjoy! Also listen I dont mind oscillations! I like feeling stuff at all times. I would rather feel it pushing slightly then not move at all on straights. Just my preference tbh.
Hi Will, thank you for your hard work in bringing us these informative videos. I'm glad you mentioned the rubber band effect; I have the R5 bundle and I feel this rubber band effect mostly in my favourite game:ACC! How can I minimise this in the Pithouse software? Funny because with my G27 it was my favourite sim but with the R5 it's become my least favourite. That mantle has gone to AMS2, closely followed by Raceroom. The FFB is phenomenal on these sims. A revelation has been the F1 games! What a difference with the R5. On a totally different subject; where's your brother at. You guys have great chemistry together :)
Hi Will, Big fan of your reviews here. I love how much you're enjoying the driving in this review. I've been on the fence trying to decide between Asetek Forte and Moza R16. I think Moza's FFB update and your review of it, along with their recent FFB Pedals has tipped me to Moza. I've been using a Fanetec CSL DD 8nm for 3ish years and have been quite happy with that. I'm upping my game now, taking a sim racing course, learning to read and learn from telemetry, and just driving driving more often and more competitively. My expectations have changed and I'm looking for that little bit more from the FFB hardware and software. Thanks for another great review! Enjoy! Rick
What a nice surprise this is for Moza owners. Looking forward to trying this with my r12. iRacing has felt lifeless in terms of road feel compared to AMS2, if this gives a nice road feel in iRacing i will be very happy. Feel free to post your updated settings Will 😁 EDIT: Tried it. Liked it. Liked it a lot. Was racing f4 around Virginia in iRacing. Lots of detail. Could not find the details on how to get the beta thing going in Discord, but there is a Redit thread called 'Moza Firmware update beta test' that has easy to follow instructions.
About to jump into the DD market with the R12. I had been waiting to see what your thoughts were on this update. I now feel confident that the R12 is the best choice.
I bought into the Moza ecosystem with the R9 base, CS, and KS. Sticking to iRacing mostly, I am really excited to try this update and feel the difference.
The MOZA gear is top notch! I’m upgrading my R5 Bundle with the KS wheel to the R9, GS, and their new pedals 🤤 my biggest conflict is VR. 60% of the time it’s good all the time. About to go with the 56” Curved Samsung ultrawide
Love the videos! Do you have a list of your settings for the r12 with the new firmware? I race mostly gt cars in RaceRoom and I’ve been trying to find a setting I like, updating it tonight hopefully and wanting to compare good settings with good settings as you have done here.
I myself am torn between the CSL DD and hearing all the problems people have had with them, and the Moza R9. The R9 is much more affordable all in, but this isn't the first time I've heard that the FFB in Fanatec wheels is so good. Another reason I'm leaning towards Moza, is their ecosystem. To get more wheels, or upgrade in any form, it's SO much cheaper with Moza... I can't justify paying $400 for a wheel rim when I've already spent almost $1,000 on the entire setup to begin with....
Go with the Moza; try find the Fanatec equivalent of the KS wheel and compare prices and materials. I found it laughable and haven't regretted going Moza at all, it's so good.
I ended up with more money than I thought I would have to spend on my wheelbase, and I've ordered the Moza R12 :D Again, obviously probably not going to take full advantage of the 12nm of force lol But I don't have the room for a dedicated cockpit for a wheel setup in my apartment, so it's just not possible. R12 with the ES Wheel and SRP Pedals with Clutch and Accessory Kit is what I got. Just under $900 US
For me, With the KS the oscillation is 100% gone!!! that's a huge difference, not being terrified of easing the tigth grip on the wheel! the other thing i feel is the suspension travel on high kerbs
They have brought out some patches since this that feel like they have gone backwards, hopefully the next one brings out an improved feel. Feels very notchy now.
For trucking simulator, there is pretty much only moza really. Kinda sucks there is only one as Fanatec simply don't care about there costumers anymore.
I’ve had my R9 v1 for over a year now and really happy with it. Mainly iRacing so far and it’s a massive upgrade over my previous G29. This being my first and only dd I can’t say I can notice the issues that @boostedmedia points out but trust his opinion. I’ll wait for this to come out of beta but looking forward to hopefully feeling an improvement. Exciting times!
I have had my moza r5 sense march of 2023 and have not updated pithouse or firmware sense. I am actually excited to update my software and and try out this update. I mainly do drifting in AC and have my wheel tuned to feel pretty great with next to zero oscillation when driving straight in AC with only a small amount of damper and filtering so im excited to see how this update feels
Fanatec shouldn't be worried. They still have great products in their space. From budget to more medium high-end. Lot of different steering wheel setups that can all be mixed with different pedals and wheel bases. The new QR2 is in par with other manufacturers. I was already happy with qr1. I hope they sort their stuff out. Products aren't bad. Maybe some quality issues. But it is also the brand that started with affordable wheels for higher end users who came from the logitech wheels. Like I did..😅 Lots of people are using their equipment now.
I waited for Fanatec to get some stock of the clubsport DD+ and bought from them.Since corsair owns the Fanatec TM i believe Fanatec has a good future in sim racing.
I guess they've messed up the onwheel clock because they used gyroscope. Gyroscope has definitely much more delay than simple input data. For example if you pick an average android phone and play with the tilt you will experience at least 50 ms gyros latency which is then converted into the code value that transforms into an axis rotation on the clocks UI. This is useless. In my opinion the wheel display has to convert the actual wheel rotation from the MOZA software. It's like one line of code instead of three. So in C# it would look like: public RectTransform dashboard; public float wheelRot; void Update() { wheelRot = Mathf.Round(Input.GetAxis("TheAxisOfMozawheelRotationDefinedBySoftware"); dashboard.transform.rotation = new Vector2(Mathf.Lerp(dashboard.transform.rotation.x, wheelRot, time.deltaTime * 10f), 0); }
@@boostedmedia The software or relevant game engine can read any input axis float value from any type of input controller. "MozaWheelAxis" was only an example. It's usually a scale from -44000 to +44000.
I am happy for Moza. I want ALL the sim companies to succeed, it makes for better competition. However, it does not NATIVELY include PS. There are a lot of customers that want PS or PS & PC. Unless you cover consoles and PC, you are limiting yourself. I am talking to the manufacturers. Not everyone wants to try and keep up with the "Joe Rogan's" of the World. I don't have an extra $70K for a sim rig, plus the latest PC every 6 months. Some of us race, TO HAVE FUN. Gasp... I know, what a novel idea. Buying $400 wheel and then a $2,000 PC plus semi-annual upgrades of $1,000 yo $2,000 video cards is out of the realm of a lot of people. And don't get me started on VR... I have friends with shelves of shame, covered with VR equipment they used for a week and re-boxed then shelved. At least PSVR2 seems to be stable IF you can use it at all.
I think Sony has really weird hardware requirements to get certification, which Moza either aren't bothered to get or are actively working on it (they recently released for Xbox this year I believe). It's probably a matter of time.
I have the R9 and in general very happy with it! Only in Rfactor2 in F1 mods everytime the pitlimiter was on the steer always vibrated very badly in a way that my whole rig was shaking (and probably my neighbours as well). No issue when driving though. Fixed it in the end by dialing down road strength I believe. I wonder if we can see the settings being used in moza pithouse that you used. Want to compare it to what I have :)
I got Moza R12 and KS wheel, they are good bang for a buck. Got them off from sale. Previously had GT DD Pro - i feel like the extra strenght and FFB details makes is absolutely worth it. I like it a lot more than the GT DD Pro. The feeling was really nice.
Fanatec rocks....still. I have the McLaren wheel and that allows me to play Xbox as well as PS5. IMPORTANT. What is not common knowledge or said enough, if you ask me, is that the McLaren wheel also allows my Fanatec shifter and Fanatec ebrake to work on Xbox perfectly without any update needed. Just switch wheel and thats it. (And plug base into Xbox) Everything works as opposed to Moza being Xbox only. Also, all my parts arrived within time predicted. Ive never had a delay, and I've purchased a fair amount the past year plus. Viva la Fanatec!🧡🙏🏼
@@joelfernando1 Don't know, haven't tried their last pedal set yet but before that Moza pedals were pretty crap compared to Fanatec. Have Sim Lab XP1 pedals myself btw
Same here. My first wheel was a Fanatec GT3RS v2, then I had the CSL Elite F1 e-sports, now I'm on CSL DD 8Nm (BMW GT2 v2 and McLaren GT3 v2) and I can't rrally complain. Everything I bought from them was A-okay. Having profiles stored in the wheel and being able to tweak settings without alt-tabbing is very useful in my experience. The QR1 is a bit meh but I'm not willing to forkout hundreds to switch to QR2. I wouldn't buy their pedals though. There are far better options if you're willing to buy second hand. The HE Sprints are excellent. I actually felt so comfortable with them that I bought them twice :) (I had to sell my rig at some point and then was rebuilding)
*Fanatec* also PC compatible That's 3 for 1. In fact, I think in Mt humble opinion, all major wheel bases (dd) are PC friendly, even my Logitec G290 does both PC and xbox. Not trying to argue, just sharing.🧡🙏🏼
Once my fanatec gear stops working I’ll go for Monza. But so far I never had any problems with my fanatec gear. I am using a CSW 2.5 with the Porsche wheel.
A great track to test the FFB is Long Beach (iracing), give it a try sometime. A lot of details, bumps, etc. Better than sebring imo. F3 is amazing there!
Depends on your budget, but Moza is amazing. I went from an R5 to R9 and can vouch for them! The "cheap" Moza wheels are way better than the equivalent from Fanatec.
I'm really looking forward to your review of the CRP2s and Active Pedal. Moza's pedal game is so weak I've been thinking of ditching all my moza gear for something better for a long time. But this gives me hope! (also I would like a review of a bavarian simtec alpha if you ever get the chance 😉)
Some if your videos directly inspired me to go for Moza gear and with this we just keep winning, thanks for keeping us informed with the consumer in mind!
I have an r5 with the ffb beta, I can't exactly tell you how it feels different but it's different. You can actually run over kerbs now and it'll feel realistic, just like I'm in my real life road car. Also I've noticed now it doesn't want to ossilate like it did before so you don't need to have a hard grip on the wheel, little things like that help with fatigue
Would you please tell me where you went to download the beta? I’m looking for the NexGen 3 beta for my R9 base. I only see an announcement for the R12 base. Thanks.
I've been waiting for this video. Well done as always! Now I'm a bit confused, I'm looking around for a 12nm DD, a month ago I would have said the obvious choice for me is the La Prima bundle, but now with the announced CRP 2 and the fbb update to R12 along with the lower price I can't say that anymore. What is your opinion on this topic?
hey boosted!! im lookiung at getting back into sim racing in the next year or so. would be keen to see how to moza stacks up in longevity, with whatever maintenance needs to be sone to the physical hardware after longer periods of ownership/use
Seeing your excitement with the change to the force feedback makes me excited for when they do release the update. Could tell that it was something good in your expression.
Love Your videos, many good informations in your channel...I was thinking about to buy moza, at the moment I use gt dd pro but a lot of problems with disconnecting, actually im going to order simagic alpha or simucube 2 sport, which one is better in your opinion Please 👍👍👍
Thanks Will. My ass is itching to buy this base...especially with the price dropping by ZAR2000 here in South Africa. Love that 80s tune you snuck in there....😁😁😁
I am new to sim racing and planning to build set up end of year. I was going to go Simagic but then started looking at Moza with all their new gear ( love that porsche wheel). Money aside, would you recommend the simagic base over the Moza? When you describe that rubber band like feeling had me rethinking. I want the most realistic experience. Either going for the 21nm bases or 15nm.
My DD+ arrived faulty, over 3 months ago, still waiting for Fanatec to provide any support or a refund. Fanatec shouldn’t be worried they should be in prison
Fanatec just released a shaft extension for the Fanatec DD/DD+. Any chance you can do a comparison with the extension vs the CSL DD, for example? Would be very helpful.
My R9 still has a jerky kind or ripple roboticness to it. Got a new settings file we could have.? I see one on your website but i assume that the really old settings in which you removed the video for.
Didn't know eminem had a sim racing channel 😂
Abra-Abra-cadabra,
I'm bout to spin out and crash ya.
Lol! That cracked me up@@boostedmedia
Lmao
After 51 years of being marshall he finally decided to become a racer
‘Sim Shady’
Think Fanatec are worried right now, but for other reasons…..
Despite everything else, they’ve still had excellent products to fall back on. Having cheaper alternatives close the gap is a big deal.
@@boostedmedia oh yeah, they certainly have some great products, no question. I have a DD Pro (& a load of other Fanatec gear), I was really unsure if the DD Pro was going to be sufficient, but it has exceeded my expectations, as has the other Fanatec gear we have. I hope a solution can be found for Fanatec.
Was about writing the same comment, they are busy with insolvency and buy up conferences. Competition isn't anything they looking at now 😅
@@boostedmedia unreliable products tho. any and all forums you will find a lot of people with technical issues and zero help from the fanatec customer service.
The OP is correct. they have way more to worry about. they have lost the mind share of the sim racing community.
@@boostedmedia It's been almost 2 years of owning a decent fanatec setup and generally I enjoyed having the gear but lately I've been wanting to move over to another brand simply because I can't stand how drifting suxs with such a weak bumpstops, I have to resort to FFB Tweaks settings in AC just to have a firm bump stop while all other brands have settings inside their firmware that lets you configure how soft or hard you want them to be.
So playing other games my wheel sometimes rotates 40-50 degrees past the bumpstop range due to inertia and then I have this deadzone which I have to put the wheel back from to get steering back again and it suxs ...
I've tried posting on forums to request this "feature" but they keep on delaying it. It was supposedly set to be out in 2022 or 2023 but now they're saying it they won't implement it until 2025 or later ... Obvioujsly I don't even know if they have any engeniers working on Fanatec drivers anymore due to the whole situation I just stopped following the whole story altogether ...
And obviously changing just a base to Simmagic for example (Which everyone recommends fors drifting particularly) is tough because I don't even know how everything else would work without the base and everything.
Or I could get the whole Simmagic setup and change everything at once but then that's a huge investment ... Sigh ...
I'm curious on couple of things since you have experience with so much sim racing hardware.
1. How much better do you think owning a Simmagic base would in your opinion in comparison to something like CSL DD or GT DD PRO?
2. Does simmagic have any issues with game compatibility like for example Moza had? Like for example does Simagic have some sort of Compatbility mode like fanatec has?
3. Or do I stay within Fanatec eco system and upgrade my CSL DD to CS DD and hope that fanatec moves their ass and will continue developing features that customers request?
I feel like I want to move out of Fanatec ecosystem but I'm so buried in it that it's a major pain to do a massive migration ...
I just don't know anymore.
All Moza needs now is to get into a licensing agreement with Sony so Moza can make Playstation compatible wheelbase SKUs. An R3 or R9 Playstation Compatible wheelbase at a slightly more expensive price would be great tbh!
This
Agree
They sell a adapter and works fine. No one uses it but for some reason.
@@Andrew260RS whats the adapter bro?
Let's do this moza!
I bought into Moza based on availability and price but have continued to add their components because they're a no-brainer to me now. I trust them and that's a VERY nice feeling to have.
Same. Bought out of availability in NZ. Couldn't be happier. Love their eco system, haven't had a single issue, and the interactions with users on their discord etc. Prob gonna to go MOZA in my flightsim gear too!
Same here best decision! 😊
Only downside in my op is the shifter so far. The sensors are not the best, as mine has failed after less than a year of use.
I ordered my fanatec and received it in 2 days (yes I paid for that shipping)
That laggy gyro display is not my cup of tea.
yeah... it's quite honestly jarring and takes away from the experience completely.
Yup. Looks like a display so im sure they can just provide an option to disable the rotation in software. If not then they're dropping the ball with it. The input lag coupled with the damping is really jarring.
Check out review. You can stop it rotating. But yeah the lag is disappointing.
@@boostedmedia Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having it in the first place?
looks like the display has quite low refresh rate
I wouldve definetly gone with Moza if i had a chance to start again. I was after a trucking setup anyway and built up something nice with Fanatec and Virpil but Moza has released exactly what i wanted in the first place. Im really impressed with Moza, theyll be getting my business when their ffb joystick releases as they have suppliers in Aus so they save me from extra customs charges, a win for the consumer.
I don't like the design of the "bigger" Mozas, I was thinking to buy Fanatic but make the decision to buy the stuff from Simagic.
No customs on these products into Oz just GST. Buying locally gives you Australian consumer law protection that is a big plus over buying OS and importing yourself plus Oz retailer would get better bulk freight rates I expect.
I feel the same way.. I've been waiting for years for a company to release turn signals/stalks. And Moza freaking did it..
The only thing Im a bit thrown appart about is, I really want the new Multifunctional Stalks, but I also would like to have the Simagic Alpha wheelbase.. just don't know whether its compatible.
Im mainly drifting and street racing.
The only thing fanatec need to worry about is keeping their lights on💡
I recently bought the Moza R5 Bundle, and I'm really happy with it. However, I don't fully see the need for a wheel with a screen. I understand that some might want an F1-style wheel, but I never look at my wheel while driving, whether in sims or real life. Personally, I’d prefer a wheel without a screen. It seems more practical to buy a small LCD and place it next to the monitor for RPMs. The built-in gyro is a nice feature, but the constant shaking of the UI while driving makes it difficult to use effectively.
if you drive with out the wheel showing in sim you can lose out on revs, gears etc on cars where that info is displayed on the in sim wheel so i can see why people would want a screens with those cars.. personally i would just use on overlay to give me that info or if i could attach an lcd screen to my wheel base id do it that way.. i drive in vr in ac at the mo and there are cars where i end up using the in sim wheel display but then in those cars in vr you tend to be lower any way
when my UW screen arrives i will just use an overlay. im limited for wheels on my g pro any way lol
its not just in f1 but in performance cars/tuned cars in general( obviously im street cars yiu dont have dash on your wheel) but you have a dash i have a tuned car and having a digital dash is very important in real life along with the guages such as widebands to monitor afr at all time because not having them can be dangerous
Very well thought 👍👍👍 I bought a very expensive formula wheel and I never look a the screen😶🌫️😶🌫️
You can buy a formula wheel mod for like 40 bucks from moza for the r5 bundle , it's very simple , but makes the r5 even better as it's lighter wheel for the ffb to move. Hahah
I bought into the Moza ecosystem because of the FSR steering wheel mainly. It’s almost a straight up replica of the FIA Formula 4 steering wheel in my daughter’s race car. Also managed to mod the CRP pedals to exactly replicate both feel/throw and pressure of the F4. Helps to have it next to the rig while modding. Both iRacing and the actual race car use AIM data log which further helped get the actual pressure in the calipers spot on.
Actually picked up a R21 today to swap the old R12v2 with. Haven’t tried the new algorithm yet but very excited to do so.
Biggest downside (maybe really only so far) are the ridiculous oscillations. Can’t even take one hand off the wheel, but then again we have been running the R12 maxed out for F4 simulation. Be interesting to see if the R21 handles it better. Disappointed to hear Moza didn’t deal with this for their major update.
To clarify: Not a big issue in anything else but the F4, but that’s 85% of what we are running.
Crazy how years back when the cheaper Direct Drives from Fanatec like the 5nm versions were announced.
It was such a hype. At the same time Fanatec were abit partial on selling and shipping products to the UK at the time due to the Brexit ordeal.
Fast forward to this day, more companies are making their own Direct Drives which ultimately buried Fanatec slowly.
The joys of having multiple companies competing.
Technology will keep going forward.
And if the tech slows down. The competition switches from who has the better technology to who has the better pricing.
For the benefit of the consumer.
I bought Fanatec intro kit and when I decided to upgrade ... There was no Fanatec stock anywhere. Switched to MOZA ...NO regrets.
Will I think you are absolutely right that this is not game changing for customers (for now) but for their brand reputation. Though I don’t like the wheel (whoever does a proper 911 GT3 R replica wheel first can print money), but getting a partnership with Porsche is huge for their brand and my trust in them. In fact I‘m considering switching from Fanatec.
What do you mean? Moza already announced a Porsche Mission R wheel.
Its a game changer for customers too. Old customers are grateful and new customers know that they wont regret their purchase as Moza keeps improving post sales.
Oh, the montage music. Fantastic.
Just missed a few clips of Will sweating in a corner, slamming an energy drink, stuffing some Skittles down for another kick and then the triumphant dash across the sim testing finish line :P
I was thinking of upgrading from my clanky Logitech G29, my intention was a Fanatech club sport base & the Mclaren Wheel & club sport peddles. Now after hearing Fanatec’s woe’s the past year I put my upgrade on hold.
After hearing your thoughts on the Moza update I my go Moza but not for awhile as I spent the money I had put aside for an upgraded sim racing experience on a Mazda MX 5 track ready car and before anyone says that’s ridiculous saying that my slightly broken & being repaired MX5 cost about the same as the mentioned sim gear and boy is it fun!
Good call! Sim racing is fun, but nothing beats the real thing.
I recently upgraded to the R9 V2 from the G29, and I love it. I know it's not really a comparison, but still.
Same comes in Wednesday very hyped already have the moza shifter and e brake w logi tech pro pedals
I feel tons of detail on my DD in iRacing compared to the other sims I’ve used it on, such as RaceRoom, Rennsport and F123. I don’t get the same immersion in those as i do iRacing. It’s not even comparable honestly. I feel every bump dip crest and curb on my rig.
IMO, Raceroom has the best FFB.
This is so weird to read. I've tried every setting I can find, and iRacing's FFB, while fine, still feels miles behind Rf2/LMU, AMS2, Raceroom, and the original AC. It's definitely serviceable, but it's far from laudable.
@@flyingphoenix113 Are you using the Fanalab software not just the Fanatec Driver software?
Great review, Will. I own a R16 base (after a R9 V1) and I must say that it is game changer. I couldn't believe the amount of information that I'm recieving now into my gear. It is just awesome. I few joy to drive now instead of fight with the car. Moza did really well :) Cheers!
Oscillations in iRacing is not inherent of the wheel base, it is due to the 60htz. Go into ACC and no oscillation due to higher frequency... Simucube, Fanatec, they will all oscillate in iRacing.
I believe simcube and sim magic produce 360 htz for I racing
I've not fully nailed down my settings in iRacing yet for the 360hz but it's better than it was previously. Simucube are still king of that castle cause they have a higher resolution encoder (22 bit vs 18bit in the simagic) but it's certainly a significant improvement.
THANK YOU. A g29 can do this. It’s settings and user error
Agree. This is just how iRacing works it’s not a wheel specific issue.
Any chance you can post up your updated PitHouse settings for ACC? The settings you had in your dedicated video were great.
It's great when companies keep pushing each other, healthy competition is what's best for the consumer. Let's see where Fanatec goes from here and what other, currently more nieche brands like Asatek and Simagic can bring to the table.
In unrelated news: is a review of the Simlab LC handbrake coming soon? I've seen it a couple of times already and thinking about getting one for rallying.
I bought two Moza wheels, the R16, SR-P pedals, HGP Shifter and the digital screen for 2,100 AUD
One of the greatest deals I’ve ever made. I am delighted to get even more value out of a product I have already bought. It’s kind of feels like receiving a free new upgraded wheelbase
I love the fact that Moza keep on investing in their software and ecosystem striving to act in the players interest
I like when my choice in wheelbase continues to be justified. Really looking forward to the active pedals. Going to get them un-active to start, as I need an upgrade for my T3PA's, but Moza is shining really brightly now.
Thanks for this! Just received my R12 and ES wheel today!
I would really like to see a video with updated recommended settings for the Moza wheels (especially once this update drops for their other bases) I have an R9 and it is definitely an upgrade from the old T300 but it has been tough to get dialed in just right. I feel like I have had it at "good enough" for a while now. Would love to see what your suggestions would be with this new update!
This update's come out about a month too late for me to have briefly tested it and overseen its use in an esports competition on moza hardware, would have been interesting to hear what the drivers would have thought of it
I had a quick test (30 mins, iRacing) of the new software this morning, and my jaw hit the floor! I honestly highly rated the R12 before, it was just a bit of a thrashing beast more often than not.
The new software makes it feel like a completely different animal, and in a good way, with the cogging now all but gone when out of game. I've never felt cogging when in the game, as some others have mentioned, so I cant comment on that.
There is so much more detail in the feedback that I was going faster and faster with each lap... it almost felt like I had cheat mode turned on 😂
All in all it's an amazing software update, that makes the hardware seem magically upgraded too, bravo Moza.
Can you share your pithub settings?
My CSW2.5 is about on its last leg. Need an upgrade and its nice we have so many different ecosystems now.
Very happy already with my r9 V2 and really looking forward to trying the new software out.
Interesting. The oscillation on your wheel is strange. Sarah Nocchi tested that part too and had none of it, which was a pleasant surprise and great news. Did they revert?
Yes totally gone for me. Unlikely but I wonder if it depends on the steering wheel as other people with KS said it was gone too
The oscillation is gone for me also, and way more detailed info from the wheelbase 🤩
Thanks for the video, happy to see Moza owners get more FFB quality for they're money :)
The only reason i think why Fanatec will still be around is PS compatibility.
Not hating on Fanatec as i got a DD Pro and a DD+ but other brands seems to give you more for the money these days if you dont need PS compatibility.
Moved from a CSL DD to an R12, and I haven't looked back. It's been a wonderful base. All of my other Moza hardware's been really solid as well.
Looking to do the exact same (have a CSL DD right now). What would you say are the biggest pros? (Hardware, software, support…)
@@UncommonManFromEarth @UncommonManFromEarth Well there's a good few I'd say. The power is definitely a plus, the CSL DD has a noticeable drop off in torque mid corner, because it can really only hold at 6nm. One of the most immediate differences is how the R12 can sustain it's strength throughout the whole corner, it makes a big difference and feels a lot better.
The R12's quick release is really great, if you're coming from a QR1 is a massive step up, if you're coming from a QR2, it's on the same level of rigidity.
The software offers a lot of customization to feel the FFB the way you want and tailor it from game to game. The firmware does seem to improve the FFB further for some titles but it's always been a very detailed experience, never felt like i was missing something compared to the CSL DD.
I have to say as well, the flexibility to just use any wheel you want without hassle is a big plus.
As far as support goes, I can't speak too much for Moza directly as I buy my Moza stuff from Sim Motion, which they've been really nice to work with when I did have an issue, an issue that was thankfully resolved quite simply, but they were responsive and helpful and at the ready to send a label if something needed to be returned. That said, I've only had 1 issue since I've owned the base so I've only had to reach out the one time. Compare that to Fanatec, where I had to reach out quite a few times and eventually had to be refunded for a wheel and quick release.
All and all the R12's been a great step up, I don't think you'd be disappointed going with them. I also have their SRP Pedals and a few wheels and I can say they're also quite solid. The only word of warning I can think of is if you choose to buy it, definitely buy the mounting bracket as it makes it much easier to mount. And be careful screwing the mounting screws into the bottom of the base as it's pretty easy to strip them.
@@MatthewRunyon-n4g Thank you for the detailled answer ! 👍🏽
Will definitely be getting an R12 😊
Will without a hat feels wrong.
Really excited to see those active pedals in action!
My opinion is being swayed just by that 80s groove music. Add that to all your reviews and you instantly have a great vid.
Big grins here after going from a Logitech G25 to a Moza R12 , just need to ditch my crappy G25 pedals next!
Its identical in feel to fanatec. Ok well its close i still think fanatec edges that overal polished feel but its getting close. Ite very clear moza is going for that fanatec feel.
Just shoes how much software matters.
Whats funny is these moza guys will now know what they have been missing. All of them stated it felt as good as every other base. This update proves it didnt. Now its that good, congrats moza and moza users enjoy!
Also listen I dont mind oscillations! I like feeling stuff at all times. I would rather feel it pushing slightly then not move at all on straights. Just my preference tbh.
I just have selld my Fanatec to get Moza, love to see the new stuff
Can’t wait to see your video of the new Moza Force Feedback Pedals. I ordered my AB9 already. R12 and new Pedals soon.
Hi Will, thank you for your hard work in bringing us these informative videos. I'm glad you mentioned the rubber band effect; I have the R5 bundle and I feel this rubber band effect mostly in my favourite game:ACC! How can I minimise this in the Pithouse software? Funny because with my G27 it was my favourite sim but with the R5 it's become my least favourite. That mantle has gone to AMS2, closely followed by Raceroom. The FFB is phenomenal on these sims. A revelation has been the F1 games! What a difference with the R5. On a totally different subject; where's your brother at. You guys have great chemistry together :)
I like to know what settings you use now with iracing and a R21 v2 in the moza pithouse and iracing settings. Have a nice day.
Regarding the "cogging or torque ripple", was the base calibrated after updating the firmware?
Hi Will,
Big fan of your reviews here.
I love how much you're enjoying the driving in this review.
I've been on the fence trying to decide between Asetek Forte and Moza R16. I think Moza's FFB update and your review of it, along with their recent FFB Pedals has tipped me to Moza.
I've been using a Fanetec CSL DD 8nm for 3ish years and have been quite happy with that. I'm upping my game now, taking a sim racing course, learning to read and learn from telemetry, and just driving driving more often and more competitively. My expectations have changed and I'm looking for that little bit more from the FFB hardware and software.
Thanks for another great review!
Enjoy!
Rick
What a nice surprise this is for Moza owners. Looking forward to trying this with my r12. iRacing has felt lifeless in terms of road feel compared to AMS2, if this gives a nice road feel in iRacing i will be very happy. Feel free to post your updated settings Will 😁
EDIT: Tried it. Liked it. Liked it a lot. Was racing f4 around Virginia in iRacing. Lots of detail.
Could not find the details on how to get the beta thing going in Discord, but there is a Redit thread called 'Moza Firmware update beta test' that has easy to follow instructions.
my glam metal head couldn't help but notice that banger intro bgm 👍
Thumbs up for the 80s music halfway thru. Much better than electronic b roll music.
About to jump into the DD market with the R12. I had been waiting to see what your thoughts were on this update. I now feel confident that the R12 is the best choice.
I bought into the Moza ecosystem with the R9 base, CS, and KS. Sticking to iRacing mostly, I am really excited to try this update and feel the difference.
The MOZA gear is top notch! I’m upgrading my R5 Bundle with the KS wheel to the R9, GS, and their new pedals 🤤 my biggest conflict is VR. 60% of the time it’s good all the time. About to go with the 56” Curved Samsung ultrawide
Love the videos! Do you have a list of your settings for the r12 with the new firmware? I race mostly gt cars in RaceRoom and I’ve been trying to find a setting I like, updating it tonight hopefully and wanting to compare good settings with good settings as you have done here.
Only lacking PS compatibility now !
Good work as always team :)
Does drivehub work?
Get a pc if you want to sim race
@@SurfsideStraganov Plenty of people playing Gran Turismo on PS.
"we're gonna need a montage! Montage!"
HA!!! I had the same exact thought when that tune kicked in :P
I myself am torn between the CSL DD and hearing all the problems people have had with them, and the Moza R9. The R9 is much more affordable all in, but this isn't the first time I've heard that the FFB in Fanatec wheels is so good. Another reason I'm leaning towards Moza, is their ecosystem. To get more wheels, or upgrade in any form, it's SO much cheaper with Moza... I can't justify paying $400 for a wheel rim when I've already spent almost $1,000 on the entire setup to begin with....
I was just in your shoes and I went for MOZA, I couldn’t be happier with their ecosystem and personally I don’t need any more force than the R9 gives.
Go with the Moza; try find the Fanatec equivalent of the KS wheel and compare prices and materials. I found it laughable and haven't regretted going Moza at all, it's so good.
@@tato45255 awesome to hear thanks a ton 😁 my plan is to mount it to my desk, so I might not take advantage of the full 9nm anyways 😂
@@TravisHi_YT thanks a ton 😁 love to hear from people who actually own the product, and have at least used the other
I ended up with more money than I thought I would have to spend on my wheelbase, and I've ordered the Moza R12 :D Again, obviously probably not going to take full advantage of the 12nm of force lol But I don't have the room for a dedicated cockpit for a wheel setup in my apartment, so it's just not possible. R12 with the ES Wheel and SRP Pedals with Clutch and Accessory Kit is what I got. Just under $900 US
For me, With the KS the oscillation is 100% gone!!! that's a huge difference, not being terrified of easing the tigth grip on the wheel! the other thing i feel is the suspension travel on high kerbs
They have brought out some patches since this that feel like they have gone backwards, hopefully the next one brings out an improved feel. Feels very notchy now.
Made the switch from fanatec to MOZA a while ago. Best move I ever made 😊
For trucking simulator, there is pretty much only moza really. Kinda sucks there is only one as Fanatec simply don't care about there costumers anymore.
I’ve had my R9 v1 for over a year now and really happy with it. Mainly iRacing so far and it’s a massive upgrade over my previous G29. This being my first and only dd I can’t say I can notice the issues that @boostedmedia points out but trust his opinion. I’ll wait for this to come out of beta but looking forward to hopefully feeling an improvement. Exciting times!
I have had my moza r5 sense march of 2023 and have not updated pithouse or firmware sense.
I am actually excited to update my software and and try out this update.
I mainly do drifting in AC and have my wheel tuned to feel pretty great with next to zero oscillation when driving straight in AC with only a small amount of damper and filtering so im excited to see how this update feels
Fanatec shouldn't be worried. They still have great products in their space. From budget to more medium high-end. Lot of different steering wheel setups that can all be mixed with different pedals and wheel bases. The new QR2 is in par with other manufacturers. I was already happy with qr1. I hope they sort their stuff out. Products aren't bad. Maybe some quality issues. But it is also the brand that started with affordable wheels for higher end users who came from the logitech wheels. Like I did..😅 Lots of people are using their equipment now.
Awesome. R12 owner and am reasonably satisfied with it but not quite fully. Hopefully this seals the deal and I wont have to upgrade in the future
I waited for Fanatec to get some stock of the clubsport DD+ and bought from them.Since corsair owns the Fanatec TM i believe Fanatec has a good future in sim racing.
I bought Moza because Fanatec don't sell in NZ. Very happy so far!
I guess they've messed up the onwheel clock because they used gyroscope. Gyroscope has definitely much more delay than simple input data. For example if you pick an average android phone and play with the tilt you will experience at least 50 ms gyros latency which is then converted into the code value that transforms into an axis rotation on the clocks UI. This is useless. In my opinion the wheel display has to convert the actual wheel rotation from the MOZA software. It's like one line of code instead of three. So in C# it would look like:
public RectTransform dashboard;
public float wheelRot;
void Update()
{
wheelRot = Mathf.Round(Input.GetAxis("TheAxisOfMozawheelRotationDefinedBySoftware");
dashboard.transform.rotation = new Vector2(Mathf.Lerp(dashboard.transform.rotation.x, wheelRot, time.deltaTime * 10f), 0);
}
Except then it would only work with Moza bases.
@@boostedmedia The software or relevant game engine can read any input axis float value from any type of input controller. "MozaWheelAxis" was only an example. It's usually a scale from -44000 to +44000.
Would like to see them come out with a motion system.
Doesn't look like the updated drivers and firmware has reached the UK yet
I am happy for Moza. I want ALL the sim companies to succeed, it makes for better competition. However, it does not NATIVELY include PS. There are a lot of customers that want PS or PS & PC. Unless you cover consoles and PC, you are limiting yourself. I am talking to the manufacturers. Not everyone wants to try and keep up with the "Joe Rogan's" of the World. I don't have an extra $70K for a sim rig, plus the latest PC every 6 months. Some of us race, TO HAVE FUN. Gasp... I know, what a novel idea. Buying $400 wheel and then a $2,000 PC plus semi-annual upgrades of $1,000 yo $2,000 video cards is out of the realm of a lot of people. And don't get me started on VR... I have friends with shelves of shame, covered with VR equipment they used for a week and re-boxed then shelved. At least PSVR2 seems to be stable IF you can use it at all.
I think Sony has really weird hardware requirements to get certification, which Moza either aren't bothered to get or are actively working on it (they recently released for Xbox this year I believe). It's probably a matter of time.
I have the R9 and in general very happy with it! Only in Rfactor2 in F1 mods everytime the pitlimiter was on the steer always vibrated very badly in a way that my whole rig was shaking (and probably my neighbours as well). No issue when driving though. Fixed it in the end by dialing down road strength I believe. I wonder if we can see the settings being used in moza pithouse that you used. Want to compare it to what I have :)
I got Moza R12 and KS wheel, they are good bang for a buck. Got them off from sale. Previously had GT DD Pro - i feel like the extra strenght and FFB details makes is absolutely worth it. I like it a lot more than the GT DD Pro. The feeling was really nice.
Fanatec rocks....still. I have the McLaren wheel and that allows me to play Xbox as well as PS5. IMPORTANT. What is not common knowledge or said enough, if you ask me, is that the McLaren wheel also allows my Fanatec shifter and Fanatec ebrake to work on Xbox perfectly without any update needed. Just switch wheel and thats it. (And plug base into Xbox) Everything works as opposed to Moza being Xbox only. Also, all my parts arrived within time predicted. Ive never had a delay, and I've purchased a fair amount the past year plus. Viva la Fanatec!🧡🙏🏼
Everybody know that if we're playing PC only, MOZA is the way to go.
@@joelfernando1 Don't know, haven't tried their last pedal set yet but before that Moza pedals were pretty crap compared to Fanatec. Have Sim Lab XP1 pedals myself btw
Same here. My first wheel was a Fanatec GT3RS v2, then I had the CSL Elite F1 e-sports, now I'm on CSL DD 8Nm (BMW GT2 v2 and McLaren GT3 v2) and I can't rrally complain. Everything I bought from them was A-okay. Having profiles stored in the wheel and being able to tweak settings without alt-tabbing is very useful in my experience. The QR1 is a bit meh but I'm not willing to forkout hundreds to switch to QR2. I wouldn't buy their pedals though. There are far better options if you're willing to buy second hand. The HE Sprints are excellent. I actually felt so comfortable with them that I bought them twice :) (I had to sell my rig at some point and then was rebuilding)
@@joelfernando1I sold my r12 four months ago and replaced it with an Alpha U. I have ascended.
*Fanatec* also PC compatible That's 3 for 1. In fact, I think in Mt humble opinion, all major wheel bases (dd) are PC friendly, even my Logitec G290 does both PC and xbox. Not trying to argue, just sharing.🧡🙏🏼
Once my fanatec gear stops working I’ll go for Monza. But so far I never had any problems with my fanatec gear. I am using a CSW 2.5 with the Porsche wheel.
A great track to test the FFB is Long Beach (iracing), give it a try sometime. A lot of details, bumps, etc. Better than sebring imo. F3 is amazing there!
I have even more problems now on what wheelbase i should buy after i had enough with the csl DD and that bad QR1 on it 😅
Depends on your budget, but Moza is amazing. I went from an R5 to R9 and can vouch for them! The "cheap" Moza wheels are way better than the equivalent from Fanatec.
@@TravisHi_YT thx 4 your input
I'm really looking forward to your review of the CRP2s and Active Pedal. Moza's pedal game is so weak I've been thinking of ditching all my moza gear for something better for a long time. But this gives me hope! (also I would like a review of a bavarian simtec alpha if you ever get the chance 😉)
Some if your videos directly inspired me to go for Moza gear and with this we just keep winning, thanks for keeping us informed with the consumer in mind!
great review as always! Looking forward to your review on the Rexing wheel
Thanks. Might be a bit of a wait on that one. The screen died half way through the review so we’re waiting on a replacement.
I just realised that the rotating display wheel is perfect for VR..........
I have an r5 with the ffb beta, I can't exactly tell you how it feels different but it's different. You can actually run over kerbs now and it'll feel realistic, just like I'm in my real life road car. Also I've noticed now it doesn't want to ossilate like it did before so you don't need to have a hard grip on the wheel, little things like that help with fatigue
Would you please tell me where you went to download the beta? I’m looking for the NexGen 3 beta for my R9 base. I only see an announcement for the R12 base. Thanks.
I've been waiting for this video. Well done as always! Now I'm a bit confused, I'm looking around for a 12nm DD, a month ago I would have said the obvious choice for me is the La Prima bundle, but now with the announced CRP 2 and the fbb update to R12 along with the lower price I can't say that anymore. What is your opinion on this topic?
I hate that laggy-gravitational central RPM gauge!
Either keep it fixed OR rotate it with the wheel 😉
There's a setting to fix it to the wheel, or just turn it off I guess.
hey boosted!! im lookiung at getting back into sim racing in the next year or so. would be keen to see how to moza stacks up in longevity, with whatever maintenance needs to be sone to the physical hardware after longer periods of ownership/use
Seeing your excitement with the change to the force feedback makes me excited for when they do release the update. Could tell that it was something good in your expression.
Love Your videos, many good informations in your channel...I was thinking about to buy moza, at the moment I use gt dd pro but a lot of problems with disconnecting, actually im going to order simagic alpha or simucube 2 sport, which one is better in your opinion Please 👍👍👍
Thanks Will. My ass is itching to buy this base...especially with the price dropping by ZAR2000 here in South Africa.
Love that 80s tune you snuck in there....😁😁😁
I am new to sim racing and planning to build set up end of year. I was going to go Simagic but then started looking at Moza with all their new gear ( love that porsche wheel). Money aside, would you recommend the simagic base over the Moza? When you describe that rubber band like feeling had me rethinking. I want the most realistic experience. Either going for the 21nm bases or 15nm.
My DD+ arrived faulty, over 3 months ago, still waiting for Fanatec to provide any support or a refund. Fanatec shouldn’t be worried they should be in prison
Im saving some money to buy a r12 version of moza. And this video confirms my previus thougs tyvm for you hard work
You’ll be really good if Mozo would dedicate hardware for the PS5 for Gran Turismo 7… that would be great!
Hi Will, can you share youre pithouse setup with us? Thanks!
When is the new algorithm and ffb being released across the board for all bases?
Fanatec just released a shaft extension for the Fanatec DD/DD+. Any chance you can do a comparison with the extension vs the CSL DD, for example? Would be very helpful.
So would you still recommend the Simagic ecosystem with this new update on the horizon? Or is this the best value contender now?
My R9 still has a jerky kind or ripple roboticness to it. Got a new settings file we could have.?
I see one on your website but i assume that the really old settings in which you removed the video for.
Been waiting for you to make a video about this :)
Still confused of which base to get alpha mini or the R12
We who have Asetek or Simucube have no concerns 😀
Im just waiting for asetek's 360hz mode to come out
Looking forward to trying this in a bit.. Great vid as always !!
Got my dd+ within 2 days of placing order. Beyond happy with my experience with fanatec
I've been holding off on the update.
Downloading firmware right now...
So as someone looking to get their first direct drive. Would you reccomend this with the update or save more to get a la prima?
MOZA!!!…. Make them side and front mountable bases- everybody!!! Please and Thanx Have a Great Day✌️😊
Waited for this review, time to get home and update