Lawsuits are NEVER effective because they will just pass the fine onto the payers to offset the judgement which means we would end up paying the fine rather than the insurance company. There's only one solution -- shut them down.
@@BajatheChickenMan here’s the deal though. The purchaser actually approves the data usage when signing up for any of the manufacturer apps for the car or possibly when you register the vehicle on their site. Toyota definitely told me they were doing it. So suing them….that’s a DOA proposition.
Yeah they do. When you first turn on your car the touch scrren will pop up with a prompt saying to accept the terms of service. That's where you signed for data to be taken. This is mostly for new cars older cars don't do this. Your pretty stupid or probably you don't have a car.
No, I've never subscribed to OnStar in my life, they've never gotten my consent for anything. It doesn't matter, they're still tracking my vehicles. Well, were, I'm going to disconnect the modules on anything I own before driving them again. It only gets worse. Ford has some sort of patent on a technology that will stream every license plate the car camera sees that will get passed onto law enforcement. Folks better start revolting against these blatant privacy intrusions, it's only going to keep getting worse if they stay complacent.
Definition of "stalking"; The four categories of stalking are surveillance, life invasion, intimidation, and interference. Sounds like this hits every category and it is illegal in every state.
@@NoneyoBisniss not at all!! Just saying, everyone getting all upset with auto manufacturers, when they willing give more information away every day with their phones 🤷🏼♂️
@@danimal450 That's simply not true. The vast majority would categorically not give away any personal data, if they had a realistic and functional alternative.
Insurance companies are trying desperately to get back to pandemic level profits, when nobody was driving/having accidents, but were still paying their insurance. Poor babies got addicted to all that extra cash. True story!
I agree with you on this spying thingie. But have you seen the amount of crashes has increased? Outrageously dangerous impatient drivers passing me in the emergency breakdown lane sometimes traveling on the grassy median.. while I'm waiting to make a left turn?
If one person does this to someone else, it can be a felony. If one company does this to thousands, it’s a class action lawsuit. If an entire industry does this to millions, it’s a news video with fewer than 10 likes. 😪
@@mauserdave You can turn everything off by going into dealer mode, its a secret on how to do it on every vehicle but there are videos showing how to get to it on every vehicle. It's turned on from the factory as a default and dealers can turn it off before you buy the vehicle if you ask them too.
Imagine paying $1000 for a cell phone that spies on you... Downloading apps that spy on you.... Paying taxes for the Government to spy on you. We live in 1984.
GM also makes vehicles with excessive oil consumption. They've known about it since 2002 and haven't done anything to fix it. They're corrupt to the core.
That is why I pulled the INFO fuse in my GMC truck. This is the one that feeds the OnStar box (VCIM). They don't need to know what I am doing with my truck!
@Deploracle Always keep location disabled on your phone when not in use and never install your insurance company's app (or even most apps). Just use their mobile website if you need to.
Unless you don’t carry a cell phone they will buy the data from all those installed but not used apps on your phone. They will buy it from google when you have location turned on. You can’t stop them unless you buy an old car and don’t carry a phone.
they already have control they just want total control and everytime americans pay what they are told to ANY industry it gives ALL industries more power
I discovered Toyota was doing this in 2021. When I signed up for their app, I actually read the fine print. I could reject it, but then I wouldn’t have access to the fancy app and some of the features that made me buy the car. Ultimately I did reject it and cancelled the app. I’m guessing there was something that triggered it anyway at some point. All of em are crooks.
I keep getting emails from Toyota Insurance urging me to switch to them for auto insurance on my new Rav4, would be very sleazy if they're selling my driving data to my current insurer to get my rates jacked while at the same time trying to get me to switch over to their insurance.
@@Cooglesyeah but the Toyota insurance also goes up if you do hard braking or acceleration. So either way the price still goes up if it's enabled in the car.
AS a professional mechanic & shop owner for over 20 years.. this is why I drive older (20 years +) that are in good condition, simple & cheaper to maintain & paid off vechiles with a BIG SMILE on my face!!!
Same. I don't need luxury, just transportation. Transportation that I can work on myself. Trucks are for working. Therefore, I don't need a $65,000.00 base model pickup that i have to worry about getting a scratch on.
@@nnjjee1 So before “data collection” became the norm, someone saying my car is listening to me or my car is conspiring with my insurance company against me wouldn’t have been a conspiracy theory?
I saw a the cadillac with a camera inside of it and i told everyone “they will use this to spy in you” they called me crazy, called me tinfoil hat, all the insane stuff. Now look
With the new privacy chief, GM will not stop this practice, but hire more lawyers to make sure it skirt the laws by obscuring the fine prints and increase the pages of these agreements than any human wants to read, let alone understand. I will never buy another vehicle from GM.
It's not big brother (the government) that is the problem here. It is little brother (corporations). In this case, we need the government to put an end to this.
“Keeping our customers’ data safe is a top priority” is corporate speak for “OOOPS We got CAUGHT and because we could get SUED by millions and potentially lose customers, we’ll MAYBE do something about it”
Their not going to be able to help you when your car is stolen since the thieves disable the on star system first thing so they can’t be tracked…see it all the time on the news when thieves literally break into dealerships and drive them out of the showroom. Where’s all the help at now on star?
Thought I saw an article four or five years back that on-star was going to be discontinued in GM vehicles. Something to the effect that the company was going under due to lack of subscribers. Guess they found a new revenue stream.
Read up on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law of 2021, “the mandated technology in future models 2026 and beyond needs to ‘passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.’” The gov’t required auto makers to install cameras in EVERY new car to monitor everything done and said in a car including speed and braking.
This is why the wife and I are now buying older cars....sick of the controlling electronics in cars...repairs are out of hand... we now are repairing are cars...sick of 900.00 bills every time you bring in our vehicles for repair.
Yes, auto repairs, auto insurance, mortgage, rent, doctors, hospitals, food, internet, phone, cable but the biggest scam and fraud of all is renter's insurance but EVERYTHING in the united states is a scam.
MY FRIEND HAS A BRAND NEW CAR. The week he got it, he installed a DIN sized stereo under the dash and tapped into the speakers in the car. Then had his mechanic remove the GPS antenna and cellular antenna and disconnected the radio antenna from the car. Then the mechanic wrapped the infotainment system with a anti-static wrap to block out radio signals. Also, every time he goes to the dealer, he will stand there and ask them to hook up to the car with the reader not connected to the internet and to clear any history before reconnecting and scanning it. This keeps the car from giving out any info about you to anyone else.
And none of the companies in those industries are necessarily hurting for money. They literally just want more & are clearly willing to go about it by any means possible…
@ OK to disagree we are people with different views. I’m from the technology world and I drive a car with lots of tech. I purchased the vehicle well knowing it has locations services. And that’s OK. But selling my driving data is not right. That is my objection. I don’t believe because you buy their car they should be able to sell your data and continue profiting, they made plenty of money off the sale itself. Thanks for your reply I respect that I just have different views and that is OK. I’m an old car buff too! 😎
GM is full of crap. If privacy was important to them, they wouldn't purposely violate peoples privacy. This should be treated as identity theft. They should focus more on the trash transmissions, the cylinder deactivation issues, 3.8l timing chain issues, small engine turbo failures and who knows what else...
There was a woman in Atlanta that had her insurance dropped because Onstar was selling her data to the insurance company. This was this past year I think.
These Deceptive trade practices are just unlawfully unjustified! I will do my research before buying a vehicle for my next purchase! Boycott these companies who takes advantage of their customers for profits
Consumer behavior and tracking data simply should NEVER be an automatic enrollment or requirement for the use of certain features. This needs to be addressed on EVERYTHING, from phones to cars and social media sites. Willing to bet a lot of people will give these companies a boat ton more of their personal data if these companies just asked and offered a small fraction of the money they make selling the data surreptitiously.
News flash. GM has been doing this since the 80's. That's how they came up with the oil life indicators . They analyzed data from Cadillac and Corvette owners' driving habits thru Onstar.
@ well actually my husband is a mechanic and right now he's restoring a 1972 Ford pick up… Non-computerized… My car will be an equally old or older car restored to its glory days. They're much better built. It is helpful to have a mechanic in your back pocket though. I wouldn't advise it for everyone because it would cost a fortune for most people to get work done on a car like that
Thanks for the update on this issue. I was wondering about it because Allstate raised my rates this month. I switched to Progressive and will be saving $800/year while still having the same coverage I had with Allstate!
My husband is a general manager at one of the largest Chevrolet dealerships in Los Angeles County. He got a “hard breaking alert” recently when he pulled his vehicle into the driveway to park it going around 5 mph. Also, this practice stopped when GM was found to be doing this about a year ago. Even the employees were largely unaware of it and were pissed off about it.
No speeding tickets or accidents in over 20 years and yet my insurance continues to up this explains a lot and the last insurance company that wanted to insert their drive detection system I simply replied I don’t need anyone that far up my crack and if my record didn’t mean anything then they weren’t getting my business these insurance companies are out of control. Exactly what does my credit score have anything to do with my car insurance. I understand the importance of auto insurance but this is ridiculous.
The next step will be to send driving data to law enforcement agencies for violations such as speeding,following too close,illegal lane changes,running red lights etc. so charges are filled and thus also driving up insurance rates.
I'm not a big fan of insurance companies anyway. I have seven vehicles but only two of them are on a regular policy. The two vehicles we drive most are insured by State Farm. In 3 years my insurance has gone from $87 a month to $233. Never an accident. Never a ticket. Never a claim. And the combined mileage of both cars is less than 5,000 per year. Yes I've shopped around and everybody's this expensive.
At this point, I already assume that my phone has a detailed record of all my farts going back at least 5 years which is used to push some gas pills ads and toilet paper while I am browsing internet.
Your phones track you and report everything you do, nobody complaining about that? And in today's society everyone treats their phones like their favorite child.
@@SanchoSanto They can get driving data, but record everything else data--it is a tracing device that spies on you. Get is cheap flip phone with pay as you go and pay with debit card.
At this point its nothing new. You can disable most of the tracking in the settings and by not having a ton of apps installed. Or if you have some androids install a de Googled OS.
This recent spike in home owner and auto owner insurance has honestly created huge opportunities for people to start their own low cost insurance companies.
Just think, this is just one source.Your cellphone has multiple listening and monitoring. Every App, basically every website.has multiple data brokers attached to it.
States are pushing for paying a tax per mile driven in state with or without paying the state fuel tax. To do that the car has to have a GPS system in the vehicle to track how many miles you have driven in state over a period of time. The state could also have a record where you have been driving.
*who doesn't sell your information without your consent. it happens 100% of the times. When you get into a car accident, how does advertiser know you got into a car accident? your information got sold. When you get a Dui how did lawers know how to advertise that you got a dui? Your information got sold. When you search for something and you started seeing advertisement related to the things you search. How did they know? your information got sold. i used to work as an information security technician and the amount of information from individuals that switch hands will scare people.*
I say we all ditch these new vehicles and just buy an older one. No computer, no tracking and complete privacy while you travel. They should ALL be held to account. I truly hope this case has a positive ending. But I don't see it ending well for the Private Citizen.
If you buy an older vehicle they will get you with the increased registration fees for an older non “economical” vehicle that doesn’t “save” the environment.
@khure711 I guess that would depend on the state you live in. And I think it would still be less then having your insurance go up. That you pay all year around, every year. That can add up.
Raising premiums when they have no context & the driver has no knowledge that their premiums are going up because of someone spying on them is really low!
not just on star but credit karma, your banking app, your insurance app, and a some games track your gps and sell data. The agent that explained they can still see you even if you disable the onstar was being honest.😅
@@zancrus9629 I wish that was the truth. My sold now 2022 Chevy spark had the antenna and Onstar built into the console radio unit if you unhooked any part of it the car would throw check engine lights and give all kinds of problems. I'll never own a GM brand again.
@@Acidrain50001Honda is known to brick the HVAC or the infotainment system if you disable/remove the 4G LTE radio. You can still drive the car, but without conditioning, miscellaneous control system faults, lots of warning lights on the dashboard, etc. 😒👎
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So when they realize somebody drives like an angel and only 20 miles a week, they suddenly get a discount, right???
Lol, insurance is such a scam!!!
It's not a discount for driving less. It's that you don't get charged for driving more. :)
Insurance is legalized extortion
Biggest scam in America
Nobody lowers prices unless it's a marketing expense. It is only a justification to increase your rates.
All insurance is a scam
Sue the insurance companies too. They are just as complicit in these crimes.
Lawsuits are NEVER effective because they will just pass the fine onto the payers to offset the judgement which means we would end up paying the fine rather than the insurance company. There's only one solution -- shut them down.
@@BajatheChickenMan here’s the deal though. The purchaser actually approves the data usage when signing up for any of the manufacturer apps for the car or possibly when you register the vehicle on their site. Toyota definitely told me they were doing it. So suing them….that’s a DOA proposition.
@@brianbruno4250no the driver does not approve that you don’t know Jack crap
Yeah they do. When you first turn on your car the touch scrren will pop up with a prompt saying to accept the terms of service. That's where you signed for data to be taken. This is mostly for new cars older cars don't do this. Your pretty stupid or probably you don't have a car.
@@BajatheChickenMan coward google censoring truth and facts again by removing specific posts that don't align with their propagandist narrative
In other words, GM are now burying all the consent in the terms and conditions
Simple, refuse.
Simple don’t buy new
No, I've never subscribed to OnStar in my life, they've never gotten my consent for anything. It doesn't matter, they're still tracking my vehicles. Well, were, I'm going to disconnect the modules on anything I own before driving them again. It only gets worse. Ford has some sort of patent on a technology that will stream every license plate the car camera sees that will get passed onto law enforcement. Folks better start revolting against these blatant privacy intrusions, it's only going to keep getting worse if they stay complacent.
Kinda like software agreements
Dint ever buy a GM. Heck you don't even need this situation to know that.
Definition of "stalking"; The four categories of stalking are surveillance, life invasion, intimidation, and interference. Sounds like this hits every category and it is illegal in every state.
True, but it’s nothing that our cell phones don’t already do..🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@danimal450
So that makes it ok?
@@NoneyoBisniss not at all!! Just saying, everyone getting all upset with auto manufacturers, when they willing give more information away every day with their phones 🤷🏼♂️
@@danimal450
That's simply not true. The vast majority would categorically not give away any personal data, if they had a realistic and functional alternative.
@@NoneyoBisniss if they are using a modern cell phone, they are giving away the information….. 🤷🏼♂️
I hope they take them to the cleaners, especially those data brokers. That way we all get our $3.45 settlement checks.
Yupp and the government gets a few million in fines. Not even a victim.
Hell no, they'll be sued so hard the settlement checks from the class action lawsuit will be $5 bucks! That's right, a full 5 bucks
😂😂😂😂good call
😂😂
Don't forget reimbursing those drinkin and driving and delivering meth that got caught they need way more than 5 bucks lol 😂
Insurance companies are just as disgusting and greedy
Insurance companies are trying desperately to get back to pandemic level profits, when nobody was driving/having accidents, but were still paying their insurance. Poor babies got addicted to all that extra cash. True story!
I agree with you on this spying thingie. But have you seen the amount of crashes has increased? Outrageously dangerous impatient drivers passing me in the emergency breakdown lane sometimes traveling on the grassy median.. while I'm waiting to make a left turn?
Google, Apple, MicroSoft
If one person does this to someone else, it can be a felony.
If one company does this to thousands, it’s a class action lawsuit.
If an entire industry does this to millions, it’s a news video with fewer than 10 likes.
😪
if we did the same thing we would be charged with criminal charges -- what a country 😂😂😂😂
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If they donate to politicians who promise to deregulate further, they get appointed to the White House cabinet.
@@no_country_for_real_men You're blaming our country for this?! What a way to live with that train of thinking!
@@jonnyz69This country reeks of apathy. So yeah, we all are partly to blame as well.
I'll stick to my older paid for reliable vehicles. No outrageous monthly payment for an unreliable truck that spies on me.
Your apps are doing the same thing GM is doing.
@@Al3XJ0n3S Simple old car and motorcycles and my phone is turned off. NIce try though.
What apps? If I cant block its snooping, it doesnt get to download.
@@mauserdave You can turn everything off by going into dealer mode, its a secret on how to do it on every vehicle but there are videos showing how to get to it on every vehicle. It's turned on from the factory as a default and dealers can turn it off before you buy the vehicle if you ask them too.
G.M. will discontinue parts to try to force you to buy a new one.
Imagine paying thousands of dollars for a car that spies on you . People think they have freedoms and rights is mind blowing
Try 10s of thousands
They spend thousands on phones that spy on them without blinking an eye.
Imagine paying $1000 for a cell phone that spies on you...
Downloading apps that spy on you....
Paying taxes for the Government to spy on you.
We live in 1984.
This stuff has been pushed through by the Democratic party and the insurance companies that's why they're doing it
GM didn’t apologize. That pretty much says it all
It's all about the bucks. I'm sure they made way more selling the info than a CALS will ever cost them.
They can't apologize if it's a lawsuit.
Apologizing would be an admission of guilt so they don’t do that.
Google never did either.
GM also makes vehicles with excessive oil consumption. They've known about it since 2002 and haven't done anything to fix it. They're corrupt to the core.
That is why I pulled the INFO fuse in my GMC truck. This is the one that feeds the OnStar box (VCIM). They don't need to know what I am doing with my truck!
Smart!
Sad but an even more precise suite of sensors on your smartphone will fill in any missing driving data your OnStar can no longer deliver.
@Deploracle Always keep location disabled on your phone when not in use and never install your insurance company's app (or even most apps). Just use their mobile website if you need to.
Unless you don’t carry a cell phone they will buy the data from all those installed but not used apps on your phone. They will buy it from google when you have location turned on. You can’t stop them unless you buy an old car and don’t carry a phone.
I was informed if you do that it allegedly affects other things on the vehicle. Probably bs
Control is the ultimate goal.
they already have control they just want total control and everytime americans pay what they are told to ANY industry it gives ALL industries more power
Greed and profit is the ultimate goal. Anyway, to squeeze more money.
They are nickel and diming the hell out of us. Now if we drive with no insurance thats a bigger problem too. What a catch!
@Emajenn1 Yes -- what a country 😂
1983
I discovered Toyota was doing this in 2021. When I signed up for their app, I actually read the fine print. I could reject it, but then I wouldn’t have access to the fancy app and some of the features that made me buy the car. Ultimately I did reject it and cancelled the app. I’m guessing there was something that triggered it anyway at some point. All of em are crooks.
Pretty safe bet thats the main purpose of all of the car and insurance apps
I keep getting emails from Toyota Insurance urging me to switch to them for auto insurance on my new Rav4, would be very sleazy if they're selling my driving data to my current insurer to get my rates jacked while at the same time trying to get me to switch over to their insurance.
@@Cooglesyeah but the Toyota insurance also goes up if you do hard braking or acceleration. So either way the price still goes up if it's enabled in the car.
I gave Toyota the heave-ho as well.
Correct
And what did we learn from this?
Just like your phone, TV and computer, your car really isn't yours.
Data brokerage should be illegal.
I disagree
I agree with you.
@ I disagree with you
@@RONderluckI disagree with you
'We got ourselves in a whole world of trouble so we stopped selling your data because we respect your privacy.'
no one got in trouble except the paying drivers
And just like that G.M. changes their policies AFTER they've been caught.
Changed, but not stopped.
GM, government motors.
They will always be several moves ahead unfortunately. Never thought I would trust Tesla more than GM.
@5:11 "When it comes to privacy, keeping our customers' data safe is a top priority for us...
(except when we're selling it to the highest bidder.)"
Yeah it's the kinda stuff that makes me more suspicious and doubtful of companies like Apple more and more at this point.
That final statement by GM is just a bunch of words that mean nothing.
Yep. They danced all around the subject, but never addressed it. They can say whatever they wish, but their actions call🐂💩on their statement…
AS a professional mechanic & shop owner for over 20 years.. this is why I drive older (20 years +) that are in good condition, simple & cheaper to maintain & paid off vechiles with a BIG SMILE on my face!!!
Yup my vehicles are '05-'06.....
I drive a 2003 Toyota Tacoma - I love my truck! Cheaper insurance & registration, too.
Not everyone can do that. Since you are a professional mechanic, you have a benefit over the average person.
Same. I don't need luxury, just transportation. Transportation that I can work on myself. Trucks are for working. Therefore, I don't need a $65,000.00 base model pickup that i have to worry about getting a scratch on.
That’s all good till you get involved in a serious car crash. Newer vehicles are considerably safer.
It's not enough that the Insurance Companies want you to install an App to track your driving but this... Absolutely INSANE!
GM shareholders should sue GM executives for destroying the value of the company.
I bet the GM shareholders didn't mind when they were pulling in all those extra profits selling peoples data. Just saying.
I physically removed the OnStar module from my sister's 2018 Equinox shortly after she purchased it.
How did you get it out?
@@ajg8722 I'm curious, too.
@@ajg8722yes do tell
@@ajg8722 RUclips
Hammer and screw driver
Once again, Conspiracy Theorists were right.
Not true
If you think that then you don’t know what a conspiracy theory is
@@nnjjee1 So before “data collection” became the norm, someone saying my car is listening to me or my car is conspiring with my insurance company against me wouldn’t have been a conspiracy theory?
@@RONderluck🐑
I saw a the cadillac with a camera inside of it and i told everyone “they will use this to spy in you” they called me crazy, called me tinfoil hat, all the insane stuff. Now look
Hmm. Wonder if these auto manufacturers can pay for all these incoming lawsuits, or will the government have to bail them all out again 😂😂
Remember, GM and Chrysler were bailed out but Ford didn't take the money!
I suddenly love my "dumb" truck even more.
SUDDENLY?😂
With the new privacy chief, GM will not stop this practice, but hire more lawyers to make sure it skirt the laws by obscuring the fine prints and increase the pages of these agreements than any human wants to read, let alone understand. I will never buy another vehicle from GM.
Big brother is watching . . . and listening . . . been happening longer than you think . . .
It's not big brother (the government) that is the problem here. It is little brother (corporations). In this case, we need the government to put an end to this.
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Elon is big brother and guess who's now gonna be in charge
There isn't much difference. Wehsve the best government money csn buy. @@v3rlon
Nah only in modern vehicles
“Keeping our customers’ data safe is a top priority” is corporate speak for “OOOPS We got CAUGHT and because we could get SUED by millions and potentially lose customers, we’ll MAYBE do something about it”
Bro my favorite tuber is out here commenting on regular people videos 😂
My On Star rep told me me almost the same thing when I cancelled. "We won't help you find your car if it's stolen."
Tell them F off
Oh well
Their not going to be able to help you when your car is stolen since the thieves disable the on star system first thing so they can’t be tracked…see it all the time on the news when thieves literally break into dealerships and drive them out of the showroom. Where’s all the help at now on star?
Thought I saw an article four or five years back that on-star was going to be discontinued in GM vehicles. Something to the effect that the company was going under due to lack of subscribers. Guess they found a new revenue stream.
But they’ll tell your insurance company where it is
Remember they said, “it’s a conspiracy theory. And what do you have to hide anyway?”
A federal law, passed by Congress, needs to be put in place that prohibits automakers from installing even the ability to collect any data whatsoever.
Read up on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law of 2021, “the mandated technology in future models 2026 and beyond needs to ‘passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.’” The gov’t required auto makers to install cameras in EVERY new car to monitor everything done and said in a car including speed and braking.
Research BIL 2021 - bipartisan infrastructure bill where EVERY new car will be fit with cameras to monitor drivers and passengers
@@t.p.1116 Outrageous. This needs to be repealed.
Please, sue these car companies
No change or goes up. Never heard about it going down. GM prioritizes keeping your data safe ONLY AFTER they are caught selling it.
Now you know how a truck driver feels...
Seen this coming , next will be the smart fridges reporting back to your health insurance providers.
This is why I keep my 25 year old car.
This is why the wife and I are now buying older cars....sick of the controlling electronics in cars...repairs are out of hand... we now are repairing are cars...sick of 900.00 bills every time you bring in our vehicles for repair.
Yes, auto repairs, auto insurance, mortgage, rent, doctors, hospitals, food, internet, phone, cable but the biggest scam and fraud of all is renter's insurance but EVERYTHING in the united states is a scam.
In the US, if it makes money for corporations, then it isn't bad. True story!
That’s what Americans voted for in the last election. More money for billionaire.
Nice try stupid person, but NO.
@@jetscreamer1 WRONG
MY FRIEND HAS A BRAND NEW CAR. The week he got it, he installed a DIN sized stereo under the dash and tapped into the speakers in the car. Then had his mechanic remove the GPS antenna and cellular antenna and disconnected the radio antenna from the car. Then the mechanic wrapped the infotainment system with a anti-static wrap to block out radio signals.
Also, every time he goes to the dealer, he will stand there and ask them to hook up to the car with the reader not connected to the internet and to clear any history before reconnecting and scanning it. This keeps the car from giving out any info about you to anyone else.
Can he come to Michigan 😆
@@teriecekuykendall4622 Why? You can easily do this yourself locally
@@gchsbus well I was joking of course, while loving the reality that this can be done, we have Mercedes Benz wondering if it's just as easy
And none of the companies in those industries are necessarily hurting for money. They literally just want more & are clearly willing to go about it by any means possible…
When all these suits are settled you’ll get another free copy of your report and $29 for your trouble. P!ss off.
And ppl wonder why I love my pre-2000 vehicles and refuse to get newer...
OnStar is the reason I have not even considered a GM vehicle since the mid 1990's. Satellite tracking by the automaker is a deal breaker.
Selling our driving data should simply not be allowed. Period!
I disagree. If you don’t like, then buy an old car without any tech features.
@ OK to disagree we are people with different views. I’m from the technology world and I drive a car with lots of tech. I purchased the vehicle well knowing it has locations services. And that’s OK. But selling my driving data is not right. That is my objection. I don’t believe because you buy their car they should be able to sell your data and continue profiting, they made plenty of money off the sale itself. Thanks for your reply I respect that I just have different views and that is OK. I’m an old car buff too! 😎
GM is full of crap. If privacy was important to them, they wouldn't purposely violate peoples privacy. This should be treated as identity theft. They should focus more on the trash transmissions, the cylinder deactivation issues, 3.8l timing chain issues, small engine turbo failures and who knows what else...
Need to get the tech out of your cars invasion of privacy
Insurance companies also try to get you to voluntarily sign up for this tracking on your phone. I laughed out loud and declined
It's the beast we enabled. 😟😟😟
Why do they put such transmitters in the cars. One should have the ability to choose whether or not they want that in their car.
The media needs to keep up with reporting on this! It has to change so consumers maintain control of their data!
There was a woman in Atlanta that had her insurance dropped because Onstar was selling her data to the insurance company. This was this past year I think.
This day has been coming for a long time, it was just a matter of time.
These Deceptive trade practices are just unlawfully unjustified! I will do my research before buying a vehicle for my next purchase! Boycott these companies who takes advantage of their customers for profits
Consumer behavior and tracking data simply should NEVER be an automatic enrollment or requirement for the use of certain features.
This needs to be addressed on EVERYTHING, from phones to cars and social media sites.
Willing to bet a lot of people will give these companies a boat ton more of their personal data if these companies just asked and offered a small fraction of the money they make selling the data surreptitiously.
As a gm service technician i can say gm is the worst company for a consumer.
I don’t carry car insurance jokes on them. That is the beauty about living in NH. No car insurance required in this state.
See? Insurance companies don't want you to use your brakes.
Hey GM, this isn't about "keeping data safe" it's about you not collecting our data at all.
News flash. GM has been doing this since the 80's. That's how they came up with the oil life indicators . They analyzed data from Cadillac and Corvette owners' driving habits thru Onstar.
File for a lawsuit and criminal charges against the companies
That's why my husband and I are going to non computerized autos. No thanks.
Good luck finding a non computerized car.
@ well actually my husband is a mechanic and right now he's restoring a 1972 Ford pick up… Non-computerized… My car will be an equally old or older car restored to its glory days. They're much better built. It is helpful to have a mechanic in your back pocket though. I wouldn't advise it for everyone because it would cost a fortune for most people to get work done on a car like that
@@Katgirl2024If you get into a crash in that, you're dead.
@ okeee dokeee.
@aw-2130 so true, there so tiny on the roads. I could never drive those tiny cars. Modern cars are so much safer no doubt.
Yep. The little black box in every car.
Thanks for the update on this issue. I was wondering about it because Allstate raised my rates this month. I switched to Progressive and will be saving $800/year while still having the same coverage I had with Allstate!
My husband is a general manager at one of the largest Chevrolet dealerships in Los Angeles County. He got a “hard breaking alert” recently when he pulled his vehicle into the driveway to park it going around 5 mph.
Also, this practice stopped when GM was found to be doing this about a year ago. Even the employees were largely unaware of it and were pissed off about it.
No speeding tickets or accidents in over 20 years and yet my insurance continues to up this explains a lot and the last insurance company that wanted to insert their drive detection system I simply replied I don’t need anyone that far up my crack and if my record didn’t mean anything then they weren’t getting my business these insurance companies are out of control. Exactly what does my credit score have anything to do with my car insurance. I understand the importance of auto insurance but this is ridiculous.
Total insanity!
They say they won’t sell it to the insurance companies, but they sell it to another third-party, then sells it to the insurance company
Wow what a way to drive your customers to another brand.
The next step will be to send driving data to law enforcement agencies for violations such as speeding,following too close,illegal lane changes,running red lights etc. so charges are filled and thus also driving up insurance rates.
No more GM for me never for sure
they all do it Goober......if you have navigation you have it 100% of the time.
I'm not a big fan of insurance companies anyway. I have seven vehicles but only two of them are on a regular policy.
The two vehicles we drive most are insured by State Farm.
In 3 years my insurance has gone from $87 a month to $233.
Never an accident.
Never a ticket.
Never a claim.
And the combined mileage of both cars is less than 5,000 per year.
Yes I've shopped around and everybody's this expensive.
At this point, I already assume that my phone has a detailed record of all my farts going back at least 5 years which is used to push some gas pills ads and toilet paper while I am browsing internet.
Good way to put yourself out of business GM.
Your phones track you and report everything you do, nobody complaining about that? And in today's society everyone treats their phones like their favorite child.
Yep-----the sheep just dont get it...................stupid at it best.
Are phones selling driving data to insurance companies too?!
@@SanchoSanto They can get driving data, but record everything else data--it is a tracing device that spies on you. Get is cheap flip phone with pay as you go and pay with debit card.
At this point its nothing new. You can disable most of the tracking in the settings and by not having a ton of apps installed. Or if you have some androids install a de Googled OS.
That's one of the reasons why older vehicles are in such high demand.
That's a violation of constitutional rights.
No it's not. It's just scummy
This recent spike in home owner and auto owner insurance has honestly created huge opportunities for people to start their own low cost insurance companies.
Drive older vehicles and save money.
Just think, this is just one source.Your cellphone has multiple listening and monitoring. Every App, basically every website.has multiple data brokers attached to it.
Plug your iPhone into your car? Guess what…now Apple is tracking your driving habits.
things are the way they are because americans are the easiest to take the bait
Not even. The phone can tell you're driving just from its own Gps, gyros and accelerometers.
@ yeah, I’m sure you’re right.
@@David-qo7lz they are all in bed together laying the bait that they know will be successful with ignorance
iPhone knows everything even if you are driving a rental or classic car from 1960s!
STOP BUYING THOSE CARS!
Stop buying any of their products!
don't forget to sue your insurance company as well!
States are pushing for paying a tax per mile driven in state with or without paying the state fuel tax. To do that the car has to have a GPS system in the vehicle to track how many miles you have driven in state over a period of time. The state could also have a record where you have been driving.
Never buying GM again
They all do it. If the vehicle, regardless of make, has GPS, you are being monitored.
Toyota does it as well lol. Go look in new Toyotas, there a sticker on the headliner that notifies you that the vehicle sends data to Toyota.
@@lupavo1738 Did you even watch the video? There is a difference between spying on you and them telling you with a sticker posted on the headliner.
I’m SHOCKED I tell ya, SHOCKED. I’m actually surprised they didn’t say they got hacked.
Grand Opening Of Justice
Then my insurance should be the cheapest...
*who doesn't sell your information without your consent. it happens 100% of the times. When you get into a car accident, how does advertiser know you got into a car accident? your information got sold. When you get a Dui how did lawers know how to advertise that you got a dui? Your information got sold. When you search for something and you started seeing advertisement related to the things you search. How did they know? your information got sold. i used to work as an information security technician and the amount of information from individuals that switch hands will scare people.*
There MUST be a specific section that allows consumers to opt in or out of this. Otherwise, it'll just stay buried in the fine print.
Receiving stolen data.
Insurance company's need
Accountability.
What a shame we live in a surveillance country
If you say "i am being spied on" they use to call you crazy. Now if you say "i am not being spied on" they call you crazy.
No more insurance payments. You're pricing us out from driving our cars and drop the dang prices now.
What?
15 years ago I insured 2 cars for $63/month. I pay $114/mo for liability on one car now...
We need comprehensive data privacy laws with enforcement.
I say we all ditch these new vehicles and just buy an older one. No computer, no tracking and complete privacy while you travel. They should ALL be held to account. I truly hope this case has a positive ending. But I don't see it ending well for the Private Citizen.
If you buy an older vehicle they will get you with the increased registration fees for an older non “economical” vehicle that doesn’t “save” the environment.
@khure711 I guess that would depend on the state you live in. And I think it would still be less then having your insurance go up. That you pay all year around, every year. That can add up.
Raising premiums when they have no context & the driver has no knowledge that their premiums are going up because of someone spying on them is really low!
not just on star but credit karma, your banking app, your insurance app, and a some games track your gps and sell data. The agent that explained they can still see you even if you disable the onstar was being honest.😅
Pokemon Go just build an entire map for the CIA and the company is bragging about it.
Yeah but you could fix the onstar one you just disconnect the antenna. At least you could in older ones I have no clue about new ones.
@@zancrus9629 I wish that was the truth. My sold now 2022 Chevy spark had the antenna and Onstar built into the console radio unit if you unhooked any part of it the car would throw check engine lights and give all kinds of problems. I'll never own a GM brand again.
@@Acidrain50001Honda is known to brick the HVAC or the infotainment system if you disable/remove the 4G LTE radio. You can still drive the car, but without conditioning, miscellaneous control system faults, lots of warning lights on the dashboard, etc. 😒👎
So GM changed their privacy rules once they got caught stealing and deceiving
You are NOT free. Your information is for sale! Welcome to America. Wholly owned by insert company here.