The topic I was waiting for. Avoiding is not evading. Hunches can lead to bias, and the cop can see what he what he wants to see. In the 1980s, I was pulled over for suspiciously cautious driving. I was doing exactly what the guy in this story was doing. Stopping at stop signs, counting to 3, making sure turn signals were on 100-200ft before I turned. 1-2 miles an hour under the speed limit. Cop followed me for about 5 miles. He literally told me he pulled me over because I was driving too carefully and obviously was trying to avoid him. Which was true. The average price of a ticket was $200-400, which is money I didn't have, so of course I was driving cautiously when I knew a cop was behind me. He searched my vehicle, didn't find anything. I was 17 then and scared. Did he violate my rights? (yes) Did I think (back then) that I had the right to refuse a search? (no) Did I think at that time, that if I refused the search he would make up a reason to ticket me? (yes) Today, I think it would have gone differently.
Excellent points! As if there's something wrong with just not wanting to have an encounter with cops, and if you just want to be free of being targeted then that must be suspicious. Only cops think that makes sense. I'm not sure if cops are so detached from reality to think their reputation doesn precede them, or if it's the brainwashing that makes everyone a criminal until proven otherwise.
So the person is doing everything possible not to allow us to Stop/ID/Detain him, obeying all laws etc. Can we Stop, ID, Detain him anyways? The fact that this question is asked says a lot more about police culture than the person driving and obeying all laws. If the person commits the slightest infraction, the cop can/will detain him, if he doesn't the cop think he can detain anyways, because obeying all laws is "suspicious". America isn't supposed to be a police state.
Not only that they can arrest you take you to jail and impound your vehicle for all but a few traffic infractions. And of course your car will be impounded and inventoried ( searched) and that's the way it is in the land of the free.
I remember back in the late 90s Hondas were hot cars being stolen, I had a two door Honda civic my moms car battery died at work she called me to pick her up after she got off of work, I had worked out at the gym had a black sweater with a hoody and a beard I was stopped at a red light there was a sheriffs vehicle two car lengths behind me when I looked in my drivers side mirror he was already looking at me I was like ok here we go as soon as the light turned green he flipped his lights approached my vehicle and gave my info and told him I was on my way to pick up my mom.. even showed him the text.. he ran my license came back and said have a nice day.. would that have been an unlawful detainment?
Careful driving is suspicious? What? The fact he was in his driveway is non-relevant. No reasonable judge would allow any evidence from any stop where you made any show of authority with such "facts" as presented here.
People not wanting an encounter with cops is NOT suspicious! Cops must truly be out of touch with reality not to recognize completely innocent people are trying to avoid them like the plague because nobody can protect citizens from the cops. Most of the time if a cop is following someone, they know it. They act nervous because there's no one to protect them from the cops and there's certainly no true justice when you're harassed, have your rights violated, or worse. They don't want to interact whatsoever. That doesn't make them suspicious, or a criminal. Please stop teaching cops that fear based behaviors equals RAS of criminal activity. Completely innocent people are sick and tired of being targeted. Not to mention, what a huge missed opportunity to teach about racial profiling and biases.
Depending on the State use vehicle license plate in plane view run plate for registration and stolen vehicle check. Then run registered owner for warrants and valid license check. Remember the vehicle and catch them violating the law later.
Hello Luke. Basically, state law has very little impact on federal criminal investigations. For example, in PA state cops need "exigency" to search a vehicle with probable cause. If they don't have exigency then it's an illegal search under PA law and the evidence could be suppressed. But let's say the DEA makes a traffic stop, has PC to search, but doesn't have exigency. The result? Absolutely nothing if the case goes to federal court. But what if the case is handed over the PS state troopers and it goes into state court? Then we have a problem under state law. Make sense?
@@BluetoGold yes thank you. I was fed LE and have now transitioned to local and a lot of things are new to me due to the extra case law/limitations. Appreciate the insight and videos that you make!
The topic I was waiting for. Avoiding is not evading. Hunches can lead to bias, and the cop can see what he what he wants to see. In the 1980s, I was pulled over for suspiciously cautious driving. I was doing exactly what the guy in this story was doing. Stopping at stop signs, counting to 3, making sure turn signals were on 100-200ft before I turned. 1-2 miles an hour under the speed limit. Cop followed me for about 5 miles. He literally told me he pulled me over because I was driving too carefully and obviously was trying to avoid him. Which was true. The average price of a ticket was $200-400, which is money I didn't have, so of course I was driving cautiously when I knew a cop was behind me. He searched my vehicle, didn't find anything. I was 17 then and scared. Did he violate my rights? (yes) Did I think (back then) that I had the right to refuse a search? (no) Did I think at that time, that if I refused the search he would make up a reason to ticket me? (yes) Today, I think it would have gone differently.
Good points and I respect your view points. Thanks for being a long time viewer. - Anthony
Excellent points! As if there's something wrong with just not wanting to have an encounter with cops, and if you just want to be free of being targeted then that must be suspicious. Only cops think that makes sense. I'm not sure if cops are so detached from reality to think their reputation doesn precede them, or if it's the brainwashing that makes everyone a criminal until proven otherwise.
Let's think for a second. Is it unusual that someone doesn't want to be pulled over?
That's correct, people not willing to just say hello and be kind or usually hiding something.
So the person is doing everything possible not to allow us to Stop/ID/Detain him, obeying all laws etc. Can we Stop, ID, Detain him anyways? The fact that this question is asked says a lot more about police culture than the person driving and obeying all laws. If the person commits the slightest infraction, the cop can/will detain him, if he doesn't the cop think he can detain anyways, because obeying all laws is "suspicious". America isn't supposed to be a police state.
Not only that they can arrest you take you to jail and impound your vehicle for all but a few traffic infractions. And of course your car will be impounded and inventoried ( searched) and that's the way it is in the land of the free.
I remember back in the late 90s Hondas were hot cars being stolen, I had a two door Honda civic my moms car battery died at work she called me to pick her up after she got off of work, I had worked out at the gym had a black sweater with a hoody and a beard I was stopped at a red light there was a sheriffs vehicle two car lengths behind me when I looked in my drivers side mirror he was already looking at me I was like ok here we go as soon as the light turned green he flipped his lights approached my vehicle and gave my info and told him I was on my way to pick up my mom.. even showed him the text.. he ran my license came back and said have a nice day.. would that have been an unlawful detainment?
Careful driving is suspicious? What? The fact he was in his driveway is non-relevant. No reasonable judge would allow any evidence from any stop where you made any show of authority with such "facts" as presented here.
I'm sorry you disagree with my position but I still want to thank you for taking the time to watch the video. Anthony
People not wanting an encounter with cops is NOT suspicious! Cops must truly be out of touch with reality not to recognize completely innocent people are trying to avoid them like the plague because nobody can protect citizens from the cops.
Most of the time if a cop is following someone, they know it. They act nervous because there's no one to protect them from the cops and there's certainly no true justice when you're harassed, have your rights violated, or worse. They don't want to interact whatsoever. That doesn't make them suspicious, or a criminal. Please stop teaching cops that fear based behaviors equals RAS of criminal activity. Completely innocent people are sick and tired of being targeted.
Not to mention, what a huge missed opportunity to teach about racial profiling and biases.
I assume the car wasn’t registered to the driver. If someone would have run the plate and saw the RO is suspended then Kansas V Glover
Good point Kyle.
Depending on the State use vehicle license plate in plane view run plate for registration and stolen vehicle check. Then run registered owner for warrants and valid license check. Remember the vehicle and catch them violating the law later.
How much of state case law applies to federal law enforcement?
Hello Luke. Basically, state law has very little impact on federal criminal investigations. For example, in PA state cops need "exigency" to search a vehicle with probable cause. If they don't have exigency then it's an illegal search under PA law and the evidence could be suppressed. But let's say the DEA makes a traffic stop, has PC to search, but doesn't have exigency. The result? Absolutely nothing if the case goes to federal court. But what if the case is handed over the PS state troopers and it goes into state court? Then we have a problem under state law. Make sense?
@@BluetoGold yes thank you. I was fed LE and have now transitioned to local and a lot of things are new to me due to the extra case law/limitations. Appreciate the insight and videos that you make!
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