Did you know that Chernabog (I'm not sure of the spelling either) translates as "Dark God"? Kind of relates him to his later counterparts, the Dark Lord of the Sith, and Voldemort (aka the Dark Lord). Spooky, isn't it?
Extremely interesting theory. I wrote a similar theory about a year ago on TVtropes, trying to unify *Fantasia*, but I had a completely different narrative in mind. Here it is: When Mickey (who, within the context of the theory, was actually created by Yen Sid from a normal mouse, like the animals in *Bedknobs and Broomsticks*) dreamed with the hat on, it was not actually a dream. That's why Yen Sid took it off before he went to sleep: it makes dreams come true… literally: • *Toccata and Fugue in D minor* is a part of his dream we didn't get to see, what he was dreaming just before he rose from the armchair and on to the stone pillar. • In *Pump and Circumstance*, the flood was caused by the rainclouds Mickey invoked while on the pillar. • *Rite of Spring* begins with stars… It is very suspicious that Mickey was manipulating stars not long before that. That's right: Mickey accidentally caused another Big Bang, leading to the formation of a suspiciously Earthlike planet in the Mickey-created cosmos. (or perhaps it's the rest of the movie that's not set on Earth, with Mickey creating ''our'' Big Bang. Who knows ?). • *The Nutcracker Suite*, *Dance of the Hours*, *The Carnival of Animals* and *The Brave Tin Soldier* are a consequence of Mickey firing magic everywhere at the end of the dream sequence; he actually cast the same kind of spell as on the broom in various places, causing plants, animals and inanimate objects to come alive throughout the world. • Likewise, when the "magic powder" Mickey created fell in the sea, it had similar effects on aquatic wildlife, leading to *The Pines of Rome*. • *Rhapsody in Blue* is another effect of this; it's the "wish-granting" spell that got cast everywhere. Thus why the protagonists's wishes all came true. • *Night on Bald Mountain* is the downside of the same thing, as the townspeoples's worst fears and superstitions came true in Chernabog. • *The Pastoral Symphony*'s storm was caused at the end when Mickey was messing up with lightnings. It's not Zeus that caused the storm, it's the storm that summoned Zeus. • The *Firebird* of the eponymous sequence was created by Chernabog (we already saw how Chernabog was himself created by Mickey). • So where the evil butterflies of the *5th Symphony*.
@RaeBriar: Well, naturally. That's how you're meant to look at it. WatchMojo's theory and mine are fun things on the side, but not really meant to be taken seriously.
+ Aristide Twain Nya, I have another idea. What if... Chernabog was Mickey all the time?! O.O Think about it. Mickey feels full of power and in his dream he controls the entire universe. Just for fun destroys stars and planets. Only because he can. Chernabog is mad with power too and uses it indiscriminately to have fun doing evil. (Well, okay, Mickey is more destructive, because after all Chernabog is bad and scary but except throw a couple of demons to the fire, which don't recive hurt anyway, doesn't do anything else, but I think the parallelism is obvious) I see a metaphor there, even if it was never the intention. It fits even the fact that both Mickey and Chernabog are the most iconic characters in the film, so we can see them as two sides of the same coin. If we want to take this to a really spooky scenery we could think about the possibility that Chernabog was all the time the twisted image of Mickey in one of the universes that he destroyed inside his dream.
while I don't think all disney films are connected (I think that's just a theory that is popular now because since Tarantino and Pixar it became cool for work to be self referential and self contained) However I do think you're correct that there is a timeline in Fantasia. One that sweeps from absolute nothingness and absence to full bodied colour and abundance. It goes from exquisite beauty both natural and sublime, to comedy and draws back to simple nothingness. It has magic existing among myths and science with gods and demons. Then how it all started with sound and colours it ends in light and a crescendo. I just think it's artistically and visually brilliant and while it is just intended as interpretations of music I feel there is some kind of time line to it as a narrative that fits your theory
"Once Upon a Time," which is on ABC, which is a Disney-owned company, is based on the idea that all the Disney films are connected, including elements of Fantasia.
@woooudo ok so in one corner you’ve got me, a Disney fan who has played the kingdom hearts games and watched once upon a time and enjoyed it up until season 5 (not the best writing by then, sorry) stating that I love these things but I don’t see this as a canonical co existing universe that’s meant to be self referential, I just see it occasionally have Easter eggs. But despite that I still love the stuff. After uni I briefly considered working in the parks as Peter Pan because when I visited I got mistook for him by several people there. And in the other corner we have you who clearly also enjoys this stuff but chooses to lash out and insult someone... purely because they disagree with a theory about Disney content. Yeah someone here does need to get over themselves but it’s not me. Maybe address WHY this makes you so mad when you know nothing about me and didn’t take on board any of the love I’ve shown to the movie. This isn’t a political stance, a slight on a social group or denouncing a religious idea and yet you’ve reacted as if a comment I wrote 4 years ago about an old Disney music movie is offensive to you as a person. For your own sake address these anger issues because you’re not doing yourself any favours the way you’re going about it here.
The DVD commentary for Fantasia also makes mention of the idea that one could interpret the film as one continuous story, a bit more broadly defined and, I'd argue, much less concrete than what you've laid out here. A general "life goes on/good versus evil" theme exists throughout the picture, but I think it can be more clearly seen in the second half than the first. Here's my take on it. Most of the first half is, as you said, concerned with the creation of life and defining the rules determining how it ought to behave. The "Tocatta und Fugue" is meant to acclimate us to this idea, although I don't think it's directly related to the story; we'll hear some of its musical flourishes in other songs, and many of the images we see during this sequence will recur in somewhat different forms throughout the rest of the film. The rest of the first half plays out as you stated, with one exception: "Nutcracker" shows us everyday life in all four seasons (essentially what we're fighting for), and the "Rite of Spring" complicates matters with history's first moment of good vs. evil, or maybe chaos vs. chaos since the dinosaurs probably didn't have consiences (either way, poor Stegosaurus). The second half is all just as you interpreted, but I think one could place Mickey's story in "Sorcerer's Apprentice smack in the middle of the village Chernabog haunts during "Night on Bald Mountain." What if the magical forces Mickey is trying to harness are still lingering in the air, even after Yen Sid intervenes? The leftover bits coagulated into Chernabog and came to rest on the mountain overlooking Yen Sid's tower. Going a step further, even Deems' interview with the "soundtrack" could be part of the overall story. This creature is what remains after being ravaged by Chernabog and taken to heaven, having been reduced to pure music; I just realized we see similar lines during "Tocatta und Fugue," so maybe it's been with us all along, communicating these broad ideas of life and morality to us in the only way it knows how. Holy "I've got the music in me," Bat-Deems!
You sir are a a sorcerer, for being able to connect these segments. Always one of my favorite Disney movies, I never could tie them together. 👍👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👏👏👏👍
My personal theory involves with Fantasia 2000 and other unused concepts of Fantasia. In the beginning, there was nothing. Afterwards, the first notes of the 5th Symphony plays and call forth the creation of the first beings, colored butterflies and the shaded bats. Their conflict resulted in the Big Bang, usher in the era of life and that's where Rite of Spring plays in. The story then progress through an age when dinosaurs extinct, the earth was flooded with Noah as the savior, until modern times when humans became the dominant beings on Earth. As humans evolve, music was invented and they possess a strange kind of magic that could conjure powers beyond anyone's imagination. Only conductors were able to conjure them to unleash fantastic melodies. Overtime, these melodies became neglected of their hidden potential, and more become showpieces for a concert. Suddenly an apocalyptic event is happening that would destroy the earth. The only way to save the planet is to perform the 5th Symphony by the conductor, and transforming the earth into a new world where magic fully exist. The creation of this new world is at the cost of extinction of all human life on the planet, and simply replaced by mythological creatures (gods, sprites, daemons) and animals doing impossible feats (such as dancing, human speech, flying, etc.). On that note, the conductor who performed the piece is the last human to ever exist in this new world, and he renounce his title as conductor to train in the art of sorcery. His name became Master Yen Sid, and he travel around this newly created world, studying spells, music, and the secrets that lurks deep within. One day, he discovers a Temple of the Hours run by an amalgam of dancing animals, and the temple acts as a time machine. Yen Sid chose to go forward in time to a time when animals becomes fully civilized in a modern society that mimics the thrive of human life back in the previous world. Then he stumbled upon a mouse with red shorts and yellow buttons. He asked the mouse to become his apprentice, and taking him back into his own time. In addition, he met a sailor duck who happened to be the mouse's friend. Yen Sid wondered what would happen if timelines can be enhanced rather than changed, and using this duck as an example of what it could do. And this, Yen Sid decide to bring the duck to Noah's timeline by becoming his assistant, just before the cataclysmic flood happened in the earth. Yen Sid then continue his neverending curiousity using time, space, and music in his element. And so this new world, whose blanketed in fantasy remains in existence until the end of time...
very interesting theory but you forgot to mention chernabog and the ave maria sequence, also what about rhapsody in blue and the tin soldier? xD would be curious to see how they fit into your theory
Interesting theory. As a kid, I always liked to imagine that the segments were all somehow connected with each other, even though I knew it really wasn’t the filmmakers’s intention. Still, I remember trying to find some link to them just for fun (like how the last shot of Pastoral Symphony kinda looks identical to the first shot of Bald Mountain for example).
So its Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, The Rite of Spring, The Nutcracker Suite, Pastoral Symphony, The Dance of the Hours, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Night on Bald Mountain, and Ave Maria. Gotcha! Thanks, Isaac!
I don't see how all the pieces in Fantasia 2000 are connected, but the last piece I see being connected, how it starts with Mother Nature and creation, and then the demon of destruction destroying it, and Mother Nature bringing it back fuller and better than before.
Hi! I checked your channel, and for some reason I can't find videos "Disney Connected?" or "The Disney Theory". Did you delete them, or where they taken down?
I'd say no. Certain parts feel like they could be part of the original's story (I'd vouch for "Beetovhen's Fifth," "Pines of Rome," and "Firebird"; I'll leave it to you to determine what fits where), but the second film doesn't have much of a unifying theme compared to the first. In terms of art, I'd say it's like someone making a copy of a painting by the Old Masters: it looks nice and might make you feel good, but it's still just a pale imitation of the original. No offense to the team that made Fantasia 2000; it's a good film, but they'd go on to do greater things later.
You deserve a whole butt load more subscribers,coz you clearly put a lot of effort in all of your videos,and I know that it does take a lot of time and effort to make one video,and also it's hard to read through origins of Disney stories coz they are so wierd and creepy.So you definitely deserve a lot of subscribers and followers!
Chernabog is a titan from hercules. He's the only evil titan that we know of that was able to get out of being put in the vault with the others, and he was able to do this because he could conceal himself in the mountain, hiding himself. Perhaps thats why he closes up in the sunlight. If he is exposed to the light, Zeus will find him and imprison him like the rest of the titans. Or at least thats what I think.
I disagree. I think the Disney universe just has a hodgepodge of different gods. Moana proves that the Polynesian gods exist as well, so why wouldn't the Slavic gods?
Chernobog is actually a Slavic deity. An ancient traditional holiday is associated with him. Walpurgisnacht. Basically a pagan Halloween holiday in ancient Slavic culture, in which the focus is on their god of destruction and death. Chernobog or Czernobog...the Black God. Mussorgsky is said to have based his piece, A Night on a Bald Mountain, on the holiday and the witches that worship Chernobog. And this was originally written in 1863.
I kind of already knew that it was some kind of story line, but not exactly the way you put it all together. Now that you mention that, I can see where you coming from.
This reminds me of how when I was little I thought bald mountain was the same mountain from the pastoral symphony only centuries later, and that the ghosts of people on horses rising from their graves in bald mountain were actually the ghosts of the centaurs...
fantasia sounds like the term for imagination so I think the magic in the Disney universe is the magic of imagination so fantasia is all one huge story
Well since most humans are morons..of course you just see it as imagination.. Disney would not be in the top of the media food chain if that were the case. Let’s not forget Disney’s actual background and what he was part of. This 33rd degree mason/pedi file would not have the keys to the kingdom if he wasn’t part of something very powerful. They truly believe in sorcery and the power of duality. Every one of us watched Disney growing up. The mind/visual/ and sound have a lot of power in molding a human being. Think about that everytime you turn your hypnotic tube on. Your thoughts have always been programmed by the same bloodlines for thousands of years. I don’t call that a coincidence . There is something much more to this story of earth that needs to be payed attention too. How can such a small portion of “human beings” have soooo much power over billions? Why is Disney /Hollywood have some of the most sick and twisted? Back to sorcery and witch craft. Which is ruling our planet earth. Most have been under the dumb dumb spell. As we let whatever is in the hypnotic tube sway our thoughts in music/style/language . With the “family oriented “ Disney ..you will easily dismiss what door you just opened up into your home. I’m not a Bible Thumper..i don’t follow religions ..but there is good and evil. Evil has run Earth for a very long time. Any adult reading this..do you remember as a kid knowing your neighbors..looking out for eachother. That is long gone..this NWO has been programmed in our heads for the last century. I can go on, but it’s prob over many heads.
I really liked this video, don't think I have ever thought about Fantasia 2000 like this. My favourite part was about Mickey though and "the source of all evil" which I believe is actually called Darkside or something like that, not 100% sure there. :P But either way this and other videos I have seen on your channel are really good and I have actually seen quite few of them lately, And lastly, this was my favourite movie growing up and it is nice to see people appreciating it and still watching it. Even my cat came to watch the movie with me often which is kind of ironic since she hated the TV. xD
rw:quick note :back in the 1940s when this movie was made it did not go well with the critics in general it flopped ,but over the years of seeing fantasia, the movie itself raised the critics eyes then next thing you know it becomes a famous disney film,and of course the sequel aswell.
it vaguely sounds like a metaphor telling of the old testament, and its juxtaposition to mythology and science makes it seem like all three are connected, despite how society has adamantly opposed this connection
I love the idea that Fantasia was a story like that, and how this guy described it and the order he put it in.....i'm kind of inspired to write a story similar to said idea. and i'll give him credit. thanks. ;)
i never thought anyone else thought of this idea and i feel amazed, even if not the same as my opinion. i believe the movie is, unlike explained in your video, in the order it must be and that all this matters don't fall by accident. for example, long before the first amphibians touched land, there was already vegetable and fungi life on earth, as well as many different insects during the carboniferous period that extended from 360 to 286 million years ago, and since not one species of animal life is shown beneath water level, we can "imagine" that fairies are but primordial insect life; the story of the apprentice might well be similar in some aspects as that of "gunther" in adventure time, where there's a powerful wizard capable of shaping the world to his will and to bestow intelligence to lower beings, such as mice, and in the same aspect, it can be compared to a "less immortal" version of paradise lost, where luzbel the beutiful rebels against god and is vanished from paradise, considering that the apprentice had all the power in his hands to play with and was broomed in the butt at the end, and then godly beings spawn and so own well into human history and society. last but not least, all souls in the after life dwindle in the living realm and those that live in disarray beocme demons, waiting for Walpurgisnacht to celebrate, rather than overthrow godly rule on earth as depicted in Faust, where it is but the greatest party of decadence in all existance; on the other hand, those souls that do not live in disarray, but rather follow the "parade" that several Buddhist and also shintoist religion depict: the life stream, the river of souls, the return to the prime dimension, bieng the first and the linear. i frankly realize i talked too much and this is easily the type of paragraph you don't want to read outloud in class, but i am just amazed to find out that i am not the only one who thought of this. also, i see below me someone asks for the connection to fantasia 2000. i think they wanted to give out the same idea and concept of evolution of life and magic involved into the formula, only removing the "God" factor and instead replacing that which seems divine and stating that it is done by a force of nature, except for the part of the noah ark, but disney always leaves traces to the belief of gods existance
So the projected order is Toccata, Rite of Spring, Nutcracker, Pastoral Spring, Dance of the Hours, Sorcerer's Apprentice, the end with Night on Bald Mountain?
Wotso Videos and if I may speculate something else, if the first fantasia was building the relationship of magic in the Disney universe, could it be argued that fantasia 2000 was about love and family? Given the segments you see a lot of the relationships between people, family, loved ones and even the natural world. Could they be put in a chronological order, even by time period, that expresses that?
Wotso videos, here's my ranking of the segments of Fantasia. From least to most. 1.The Sorcerer's Apprentice 2. Ave Maria 3. Pastoral Symphony 4. Rite of Spring 5. Dance of the Hours 6. Nutcracker Suite 7. Tocata and Fugue in D Minor 8. Night on Bald Mountain
Interesting theory. I like it. You made a good argument for why it could all be one story. But what about Fantasia 2000? Where does that fit in, if it does at all?
Really good theory! I actually do really like the Disney-Connected Universe Theory however there is one question that's been tying my brain into knots lately. We all know Disney loves to borrow themes from Greek Myth (a-lot of artists do) but my question is how can the Greek Myths and more...Christian based characters such as the Chernabog can exist together. Maybe this is a situation where all belief systems coexist? Either way; good theory.
3. Fantasia 🎼🎶🎵🎻 (1940) and 38. Fantasia 2000 🎼🎵🎶🎻🎹 (1999) are both similar to each other Ludwig van Beethoven's (1770-1827) symphonies (Symphony no. 5 and Symphony no. 6) and Igor Stravinsky's (1882-1971) ballets (The Firebird and The Rite of Spring).
+Bryan Alvarez Medina I know this comment is months old, but I'll share a comment anyways. Gravity Falls may have ended by a few years by now, yes, but Fantasia is over 70 years old, yet people still talk about theories and backstories on it. I would love to find out more about Bill Cypher. As long as we don't give Gravity Falls a sequel. Let's not forget what happened to Teen Titans and Ben 10.
With music Fantasia is the only one to be heard by a concert feature out of all the rest. Why? I'll tell you who can sing the Rite of Spring to put it on a Disney magic of music CD? Who can sing The dance of the hours,hint hello mamma,hello Faith's here we are at camp Granada.
but why do mickey&co. walk upright and act like humans,and no actual humans are seen in their world, while bambi lives in a world like ours, where deers walk on four legs and humans exist?
I all ways saw it as 2 story this was my favorite movie as a child I loved all the art workings Greek my tilt was my best s ubject in school it was so cool to me to see my favorite animals in morons crntsursmermaidspegasus etc💋🙏😍🖤🖤🖤🖤🥰🥰🥰🥰💯
1:24 from this moment on, everything got out of order. Your theory is not straight according to what was going on in the movie. Simply as I've said... every story, in line, is not connected at all.
rw:i do like the film but i just FF pass the boring parts of it (but no offense i did not like how slow it was in the evolution of dinos organisms ,and how the earth reborn part it was just plain boring)
I think we can all agree night on bald mountain is by far the best segment
that statement is correct
Yes it is. the music and the visuals are awesome, I say the same for the last piece in Fantasia 2000.
I like that one and Sorcerer's Apprentice the best. They are the ones I always remember. Thanks for watching!
Stefan Filipovits Same here. They should of ended with Night on Bald Mountain.
+Stefan Filipovits That's why the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy copied it.
I always watched it as a single movie. Then again I was five.
He said Chernobog (or whatever it was called) manipulated hellfire. DARK FIRE! HELLFIRE!
Did you know that Chernabog (I'm not sure of the spelling either) translates as "Dark God"? Kind of relates him to his later counterparts, the Dark Lord of the Sith, and Voldemort (aka the Dark Lord). Spooky, isn't it?
@@ellynmacgregor8210 black god actually lol,but ya ik what you mean
Extremely interesting theory. I wrote a similar theory about a year ago on TVtropes, trying to unify *Fantasia*, but I had a completely different narrative in mind. Here it is:
When Mickey (who, within the context of the theory, was actually created by Yen Sid from a normal mouse, like the animals in *Bedknobs and Broomsticks*) dreamed with the hat on, it was not actually a dream. That's why Yen Sid took it off before he went to sleep: it makes dreams come true… literally:
• *Toccata and Fugue in D minor* is a part of his dream we didn't get to see, what he was dreaming just before he rose from the armchair and on to the stone pillar.
• In *Pump and Circumstance*, the flood was caused by the rainclouds Mickey invoked while on the pillar.
• *Rite of Spring* begins with stars… It is very suspicious that Mickey was manipulating stars not long before that. That's right: Mickey accidentally caused another Big Bang, leading to the formation of a suspiciously Earthlike planet in the Mickey-created cosmos. (or perhaps it's the rest of the movie that's not set on Earth, with Mickey creating ''our'' Big Bang. Who knows ?).
• *The Nutcracker Suite*, *Dance of the Hours*, *The Carnival of Animals* and *The Brave Tin Soldier* are a consequence of Mickey firing magic everywhere at the end of the dream sequence; he actually cast the same kind of spell as on the broom in various places, causing plants, animals and inanimate objects to come alive throughout the world.
• Likewise, when the "magic powder" Mickey created fell in the sea, it had similar effects on aquatic wildlife, leading to *The Pines of Rome*.
• *Rhapsody in Blue* is another effect of this; it's the "wish-granting" spell that got cast everywhere. Thus why the protagonists's wishes all came true.
• *Night on Bald Mountain* is the downside of the same thing, as the townspeoples's worst fears and superstitions came true in Chernabog.
• *The Pastoral Symphony*'s storm was caused at the end when Mickey was messing up with lightnings. It's not Zeus that caused the storm, it's the storm that summoned Zeus.
• The *Firebird* of the eponymous sequence was created by Chernabog (we already saw how Chernabog was himself created by Mickey).
• So where the evil butterflies of the *5th Symphony*.
You were right that was a totally different perspective, but I really enjoyed looking at your thoughts! Thanks for watching!
@RaeBriar: Well, naturally. That's how you're meant to look at it. WatchMojo's theory and mine are fun things on the side, but not really meant to be taken seriously.
I have no words for the sheer beauty of this!
+AristaideTwain - Wow! That's a very interesting point of view! I could see it like that!
+ Aristide Twain Nya, I have another idea. What if... Chernabog was Mickey all the time?! O.O Think about it. Mickey feels full of power and in his dream he controls the entire universe. Just for fun destroys stars and planets. Only because he can. Chernabog is mad with power too and uses it indiscriminately to have fun doing evil. (Well, okay, Mickey is more destructive, because after all Chernabog is bad and scary but except throw a couple of demons to the fire, which don't recive hurt anyway, doesn't do anything else, but I think the parallelism is obvious) I see a metaphor there, even if it was never the intention.
It fits even the fact that both Mickey and Chernabog are the most iconic characters in the film, so we can see them as two sides of the same coin. If we want to take this to a really spooky scenery we could think about the possibility that Chernabog was all the time the twisted image of Mickey in one of the universes that he destroyed inside his dream.
while I don't think all disney films are connected (I think that's just a theory that is popular now because since Tarantino and Pixar it became cool for work to be self referential and self contained) However I do think you're correct that there is a timeline in Fantasia. One that sweeps from absolute nothingness and absence to full bodied colour and abundance. It goes from exquisite beauty both natural and sublime, to comedy and draws back to simple nothingness. It has magic existing among myths and science with gods and demons. Then how it all started with sound and colours it ends in light and a crescendo. I just think it's artistically and visually brilliant and while it is just intended as interpretations of music I feel there is some kind of time line to it as a narrative that fits your theory
"Once Upon a Time," which is on ABC, which is a Disney-owned company, is based on the idea that all the Disney films are connected, including elements of Fantasia.
@woooudo bit of an overreaction don’t you think? I’m sorry we disagree on Disney theories but it’s a bit much to call someone names
@woooudo wooooowwwww... if it wasn’t an overreaction before it sure as hell is now 👀
@woooudo ok so in one corner you’ve got me, a Disney fan who has played the kingdom hearts games and watched once upon a time and enjoyed it up until season 5 (not the best writing by then, sorry) stating that I love these things but I don’t see this as a canonical co existing universe that’s meant to be self referential, I just see it occasionally have Easter eggs. But despite that I still love the stuff. After uni I briefly considered working in the parks as Peter Pan because when I visited I got mistook for him by several people there.
And in the other corner we have you who clearly also enjoys this stuff but chooses to lash out and insult someone... purely because they disagree with a theory about Disney content. Yeah someone here does need to get over themselves but it’s not me. Maybe address WHY this makes you so mad when you know nothing about me and didn’t take on board any of the love I’ve shown to the movie. This isn’t a political stance, a slight on a social group or denouncing a religious idea and yet you’ve reacted as if a comment I wrote 4 years ago about an old Disney music movie is offensive to you as a person. For your own sake address these anger issues because you’re not doing yourself any favours the way you’re going about it here.
@woooudo and this is me telling you that you’re being pointlessly aggressive over something that doesn’t matter. Get help
The DVD commentary for Fantasia also makes mention of the idea that one could interpret the film as one continuous story, a bit more broadly defined and, I'd argue, much less concrete than what you've laid out here. A general "life goes on/good versus evil" theme exists throughout the picture, but I think it can be more clearly seen in the second half than the first. Here's my take on it. Most of the first half is, as you said, concerned with the creation of life and defining the rules determining how it ought to behave. The "Tocatta und Fugue" is meant to acclimate us to this idea, although I don't think it's directly related to the story; we'll hear some of its musical flourishes in other songs, and many of the images we see during this sequence will recur in somewhat different forms throughout the rest of the film. The rest of the first half plays out as you stated, with one exception: "Nutcracker" shows us everyday life in all four seasons (essentially what we're fighting for), and the "Rite of Spring" complicates matters with history's first moment of good vs. evil, or maybe chaos vs. chaos since the dinosaurs probably didn't have consiences (either way, poor Stegosaurus). The second half is all just as you interpreted, but I think one could place Mickey's story in "Sorcerer's Apprentice smack in the middle of the village Chernabog haunts during "Night on Bald Mountain." What if the magical forces Mickey is trying to harness are still lingering in the air, even after Yen Sid intervenes? The leftover bits coagulated into Chernabog and came to rest on the mountain overlooking Yen Sid's tower.
Going a step further, even Deems' interview with the "soundtrack" could be part of the overall story. This creature is what remains after being ravaged by Chernabog and taken to heaven, having been reduced to pure music; I just realized we see similar lines during "Tocatta und Fugue," so maybe it's been with us all along, communicating these broad ideas of life and morality to us in the only way it knows how. Holy "I've got the music in me," Bat-Deems!
The Night on Bald Mountain has always terrified me to this day.
Fantasia is a masterpiece that will live on forever.
You sir are a a sorcerer,
for being able to connect these segments.
Always one of my favorite Disney movies, I never could tie them together.
👍👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👏👏👏👍
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
My personal theory involves with Fantasia 2000 and other unused concepts of Fantasia.
In the beginning, there was nothing. Afterwards, the first notes of the 5th Symphony plays and call forth the creation of the first beings, colored butterflies and the shaded bats. Their conflict resulted in the Big Bang, usher in the era of life and that's where Rite of Spring plays in. The story then progress through an age when dinosaurs extinct, the earth was flooded with Noah as the savior, until modern times when humans became the dominant beings on Earth. As humans evolve, music was invented and they possess a strange kind of magic that could conjure powers beyond anyone's imagination. Only conductors were able to conjure them to unleash fantastic melodies. Overtime, these melodies became neglected of their hidden potential, and more become showpieces for a concert. Suddenly an apocalyptic event is happening that would destroy the earth. The only way to save the planet is to perform the 5th Symphony by the conductor, and transforming the earth into a new world where magic fully exist. The creation of this new world is at the cost of extinction of all human life on the planet, and simply replaced by mythological creatures (gods, sprites, daemons) and animals doing impossible feats (such as dancing, human speech, flying, etc.). On that note, the conductor who performed the piece is the last human to ever exist in this new world, and he renounce his title as conductor to train in the art of sorcery. His name became Master Yen Sid, and he travel around this newly created world, studying spells, music, and the secrets that lurks deep within. One day, he discovers a Temple of the Hours run by an amalgam of dancing animals, and the temple acts as a time machine. Yen Sid chose to go forward in time to a time when animals becomes fully civilized in a modern society that mimics the thrive of human life back in the previous world. Then he stumbled upon a mouse with red shorts and yellow buttons. He asked the mouse to become his apprentice, and taking him back into his own time. In addition, he met a sailor duck who happened to be the mouse's friend. Yen Sid wondered what would happen if timelines can be enhanced rather than changed, and using this duck as an example of what it could do. And this, Yen Sid decide to bring the duck to Noah's timeline by becoming his assistant, just before the cataclysmic flood happened in the earth. Yen Sid then continue his neverending curiousity using time, space, and music in his element. And so this new world, whose blanketed in fantasy remains in existence until the end of time...
very interesting theory but you forgot to mention chernabog and the ave maria sequence, also what about rhapsody in blue and the tin soldier? xD would be curious to see how they fit into your theory
it all stafter with a mouse, so in Sorceror's apprentice, did Mickey create the Disney Universe as he was playing around with the magic?
I've never seen fantasia because I never got it! I'm actually going to watch it in the morning! You're the man!
How did you feel about it?
Same
"The beginning of the Disney Universe"
I love this 💖
I'm happy you liked it. I thought it was a really neat idea. Thanks for watching!
Interesting theory. As a kid, I always liked to imagine that the segments were all somehow connected with each other, even though I knew it really wasn’t the filmmakers’s intention. Still, I remember trying to find some link to them just for fun (like how the last shot of Pastoral Symphony kinda looks identical to the first shot of Bald Mountain for example).
So its Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, The Rite of Spring, The Nutcracker Suite, Pastoral Symphony, The Dance of the Hours, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Night on Bald Mountain, and Ave Maria. Gotcha! Thanks, Isaac!
is Fantasia 2000 connected?
I don't see how all the pieces in Fantasia 2000 are connected, but the last piece I see being connected, how it starts with Mother Nature and creation, and then the demon of destruction destroying it, and Mother Nature bringing it back fuller and better than before.
I think it could be linked to it as well. Thanks for watching!
Hi! I checked your channel, and for some reason I can't find videos "Disney Connected?" or "The Disney Theory". Did you delete them, or where they taken down?
Wotso Videos I don't see a connection in the sequel but a video could help
I'd say no. Certain parts feel like they could be part of the original's story (I'd vouch for "Beetovhen's Fifth," "Pines of Rome," and "Firebird"; I'll leave it to you to determine what fits where), but the second film doesn't have much of a unifying theme compared to the first. In terms of art, I'd say it's like someone making a copy of a painting by the Old Masters: it looks nice and might make you feel good, but it's still just a pale imitation of the original. No offense to the team that made Fantasia 2000; it's a good film, but they'd go on to do greater things later.
You deserve a whole butt load more subscribers,coz you clearly put a lot of effort in all of your videos,and I know that it does take a lot of time and effort to make one video,and also it's hard to read through origins of Disney stories coz they are so wierd and creepy.So you definitely deserve a lot of subscribers and followers!
Chernabog is a titan from hercules. He's the only evil titan that we know of that was able to get out of being put in the vault with the others, and he was able to do this because he could conceal himself in the mountain, hiding himself. Perhaps thats why he closes up in the sunlight. If he is exposed to the light, Zeus will find him and imprison him like the rest of the titans. Or at least thats what I think.
nice theory . all these theories here are interesting. now i can see fantasia from a whole new point of view
I disagree. I think the Disney universe just has a hodgepodge of different gods. Moana proves that the Polynesian gods exist as well, so why wouldn't the Slavic gods?
Chernobog is actually a Slavic deity. An ancient traditional holiday is associated with him. Walpurgisnacht. Basically a pagan Halloween holiday in ancient Slavic culture, in which the focus is on their god of destruction and death. Chernobog or Czernobog...the Black God. Mussorgsky is said to have based his piece, A Night on a Bald Mountain, on the holiday and the witches that worship Chernobog. And this was originally written in 1863.
I kind of already knew that it was some kind of story line, but not exactly the way you put it all together. Now that you mention that, I can see where you coming from.
This reminds me of how when I was little I thought bald mountain was the same mountain from the pastoral symphony only centuries later, and that the ghosts of people on horses rising from their graves in bald mountain were actually the ghosts of the centaurs...
Some of the reptilian ghosts could be the ghosts of the dinosaurs.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who theorizes how each segment is linked. I know that’s not the intent but of course it’s just for fun.
So basically Disney's Animated Canon's version of the Ainulindale from Tolkien's Legendarium.
I think chernabog is trying to find a way to survive through day
Creampai420 how THEN he only can rein the night
When they released this in the theaters in the 90s, me and my friends got high and went to see it. Good times.
HOLY BLOODY HELL
you amaze me every fucking time, WITH WORDS!!
Well that's good; I'm glad I can do that! Thanks for watching!
So, Disney based itself on a twist on Greek mythology. That's actually kind of cool
Thanks! I think it works really well and you think so as well! Thanks for watching!
fantasia sounds like the term for imagination so I think the magic in the Disney universe is the magic of imagination so fantasia is all one huge story
Well since most humans are morons..of course you just see it as imagination.. Disney would not be in the top of the media food chain if that were the case. Let’s not forget Disney’s actual background and what he was part of. This 33rd degree mason/pedi file would not have the keys to the kingdom if he wasn’t part of something very powerful. They truly believe in sorcery and the power of duality. Every one of us watched Disney growing up. The mind/visual/ and sound have a lot of power in molding a human being. Think about that everytime you turn your hypnotic tube on. Your thoughts have always been programmed by the same bloodlines for thousands of years. I don’t call that a coincidence . There is something much more to this story of earth that needs to be payed attention too. How can such a small portion of “human beings” have soooo much power over billions? Why is Disney /Hollywood have some of the most sick and twisted? Back to sorcery and witch craft. Which is ruling our planet earth. Most have been under the dumb dumb spell. As we let whatever is in the hypnotic tube sway our thoughts in music/style/language . With the “family oriented “ Disney ..you will easily dismiss what door you just opened up into your home. I’m not a Bible Thumper..i don’t follow religions ..but there is good and evil. Evil has run Earth for a very long time. Any adult reading this..do you remember as a kid knowing your neighbors..looking out for eachother. That is long gone..this NWO has been programmed in our heads for the last century. I can go on, but it’s prob over many heads.
In the beginning of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, Yen Sid conjured up a bat-looking image that looks like Chernabog.
I really liked this video, don't think I have ever thought about Fantasia 2000 like this. My favourite part was about Mickey though and "the source of all evil" which I believe is actually called Darkside or something like that, not 100% sure there. :P
But either way this and other videos I have seen on your channel are really good and I have actually seen quite few of them lately,
And lastly, this was my favourite movie growing up and it is nice to see people appreciating it and still watching it. Even my cat came to watch the movie with me often which is kind of ironic since she hated the TV. xD
"protecting it from dark magic." Dont make a Kingdom Hearts reference, dont make a kingdom hearts reference.... wait... Damnit
"Darkness is the heart's true essence" - Ansem
Thanks for watching!
rw:quick note :back in the 1940s when this movie was made it did not go well with the critics in general it flopped ,but over the years of seeing fantasia, the movie itself raised the critics eyes then next thing you know it becomes a famous disney film,and of course the sequel aswell.
Once again, I haven't seen the film, but good work making your point. :D
Wow! Ive never thought of fantasia like that. That is one he'll of a theory man.
I like the thought of fantasia being a full story
So do I. It's kind of a different way of thinking about it. Thanks for watching!
I love that movie!I have fantasia and fantasia 2000. I hope they will make another one. My favorite segments are the beautiful mythology scenes.
it vaguely sounds like a metaphor telling of the old testament, and its juxtaposition to mythology and science makes it seem like all three are connected, despite how society has adamantly opposed this connection
One of my favorite theories
I love the idea that Fantasia was a story like that, and how this guy described it and the order he put it in.....i'm kind of inspired to write a story similar to said idea. and i'll give him credit. thanks. ;)
It's a misguiding Satanic story
Don't believe it or you eventually end up like the last sean
i never thought anyone else thought of this idea and i feel amazed, even if not the same as my opinion. i believe the movie is, unlike explained in your video, in the order it must be and that all this matters don't fall by accident. for example, long before the first amphibians touched land, there was already vegetable and fungi life on earth, as well as many different insects during the carboniferous period that extended from 360 to 286 million years ago, and since not one species of animal life is shown beneath water level, we can "imagine" that fairies are but primordial insect life; the story of the apprentice might well be similar in some aspects as that of "gunther" in adventure time, where there's a powerful wizard capable of shaping the world to his will and to bestow intelligence to lower beings, such as mice, and in the same aspect, it can be compared to a "less immortal" version of paradise lost, where luzbel the beutiful rebels against god and is vanished from paradise, considering that the apprentice had all the power in his hands to play with and was broomed in the butt at the end, and then godly beings spawn and so own well into human history and society. last but not least, all souls in the after life dwindle in the living realm and those that live in disarray beocme demons, waiting for Walpurgisnacht to celebrate, rather than overthrow godly rule on earth as depicted in Faust, where it is but the greatest party of decadence in all existance; on the other hand, those souls that do not live in disarray, but rather follow the "parade" that several Buddhist and also shintoist religion depict: the life stream, the river of souls, the return to the prime dimension, bieng the first and the linear.
i frankly realize i talked too much and this is easily the type of paragraph you don't want to read outloud in class, but i am just amazed to find out that i am not the only one who thought of this. also, i see below me someone asks for the connection to fantasia 2000. i think they wanted to give out the same idea and concept of evolution of life and magic involved into the formula, only removing the "God" factor and instead replacing that which seems divine and stating that it is done by a force of nature, except for the part of the noah ark, but disney always leaves traces to the belief of gods existance
I’d love to add Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 into the Animated Disney Universe lore
So the projected order is Toccata, Rite of Spring, Nutcracker, Pastoral Spring, Dance of the Hours, Sorcerer's Apprentice, the end with Night on Bald Mountain?
Yup! That looks right. Thanks for watching!
Wotso Videos and if I may speculate something else, if the first fantasia was building the relationship of magic in the Disney universe, could it be argued that fantasia 2000 was about love and family? Given the segments you see a lot of the relationships between people, family, loved ones and even the natural world. Could they be put in a chronological order, even by time period, that expresses that?
Wonderful video I never thought about it that way
I appreciate your support! I'm glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!
My FAVORITE movie! This is quite an interesting theory...
+Jim Murphy I'm happy you were interested in it. It's a very cool movie! Thanks for watching!
Not only do I think Fantasia is one story, I think this and its sequel should be one and the same story
that's quite a great theory!
Thank you. I'm glad you liked my theory. Thanks for watching!
And if you remember in the picture of the The Sorcerer's Apprentice Mickey's Master recreates a little image into the future of Chernbog.
Wotso videos, here's my ranking of the segments of Fantasia. From least to most.
1.The Sorcerer's Apprentice
2. Ave Maria
3. Pastoral Symphony
4. Rite of Spring
5. Dance of the Hours
6. Nutcracker Suite
7. Tocata and Fugue in D Minor
8. Night on Bald Mountain
From least to most what?
So basically, according to Fantasia, the Primordial "Divine" forces got the ball roll and evolution took over
Wow!
Cool.
I'm glad you think so! Thanks for watching!
very good theory, I like the video.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Now I wanna see Fantasia
Interesting theory. I like it. You made a good argument for why it could all be one story. But what about Fantasia 2000? Where does that fit in, if it does at all?
I would like to see Kingdom Hearts theories
They will eventually be coming. Once the hype for KH3 grows towards a *hopefully soon* release date. Thanks for watching!
Wotso Videos I’d be happy to be apart of those theories!
Really good theory!
I actually do really like the Disney-Connected Universe Theory however there is one question that's been tying my brain into knots lately.
We all know Disney loves to borrow themes from Greek Myth (a-lot of artists do) but my question is how can the Greek Myths and more...Christian based characters such as the Chernabog can exist together.
Maybe this is a situation where all belief systems coexist?
Either way; good theory.
dude christianity takes from a few religions including greek/roman
great video :) hope you make more :p
Of course! Every Tuesday and Thursday! Thanks for watching!
Does Chernabog have a full story?
Zeus was such a massive troll in this movie, omg.
I have a question, in Treasure Planet (a movie) who is Jim's father?
Great question. I'm not even sure. I'll have to look into that. Thanks for watching!
3. Fantasia 🎼🎶🎵🎻 (1940) and 38. Fantasia 2000 🎼🎵🎶🎻🎹 (1999) are both similar to each other Ludwig van Beethoven's (1770-1827) symphonies (Symphony no. 5 and Symphony no. 6) and Igor Stravinsky's (1882-1971) ballets (The Firebird and The Rite of Spring).
Please can you do Bill Cipher's story
+Bryan Alvarez Medina
I know this comment is months old, but I'll share a comment anyways. Gravity Falls may have ended by a few years by now, yes, but Fantasia is over 70 years old, yet people still talk about theories and backstories on it. I would love to find out more about Bill Cypher. As long as we don't give Gravity Falls a sequel. Let's not forget what happened to Teen Titans and Ben 10.
That's deep man
The background music at the start reminds me of alton towers
I just watched your theory on Disney and you said it was a later story, so is it the beginning or rebirth
1:35 Guess Zeus's character design was changed between Fantasia and Hercules.
You showed Fantasta and Fantasta 2000.
Could you do a who is Governer Ratcliff video from Pocahontas? Please and Thank you!
Could you do another Aladdin theory?
For sure! Thanks for watching!
:D
I'm in a production of Aladdin at my theater, and want to learn a bit more about the characters.
:D
I am so excited!
Fantasianating! But what about Fantasia 2000?
I include Fantasia 2000 more in my full Disney Theory: ruclips.net/video/InhgpejvRiE/видео.html I hope you enjoy! Thanks for watching!
Maleficent gets her power from Czernobog.
But Czernobog gets his from the source of evil magic himself: the Crimson Cockerel, Panchito Pistoles.
They were initially going to do a new Fantasia every few years.
do fantasia 2000
With music Fantasia is the only one to be heard by a concert feature out of all the rest. Why? I'll tell you who can sing the Rite of Spring to put it on a Disney magic of music CD? Who can sing The dance of the hours,hint hello mamma,hello Faith's here we are at camp Granada.
Then where does that leave Fantasia 2000?
Happy 80th anniversary! What is your favorite segment of the movie? This is one of the best Disney movies, in my personal opinion.
What do Jack Parson , L Ron Hubbard , Aleiste Crowley n Wehmer Von Braun have in common. All have connections to Disney and NASA
like to see an explanation of the mystery of pleasure island in pinocchio
I have a theory is Howard the duck is the father of Huey, Doey, and Luis.
Can you do cruella de vil's story?
Yup! She's the next person getting a full story! I don't know an exact day, but in the coming weeks. Thanks for watching!
Chernabog Explained/Orgin Video!
So how can talking animals and living toys exist in the same universe
What about the origins of mankind or fantastia 2
I belive Disney Dinosaurs was just after Rite Of Spring and then Brother Bear then other fairy movies .
Chernabog origin?
Chernabog is the Slavic god of darkness. He doesn't really have an origin, he's just an evil god in Slavic mythology.
I kinda think Night on Bald Mountain and Ave Maria could be one story.
Could you please do a video on Tarzan's biological parents? And no I don't want to hear any of that Frozen stuff!
Fantasia is my fave movie ever, let's see what you have to say about it :)
And I have seen a picture of that shadow demon before. I used it in a google document cause I thought it was a random picture😂😂😂
but why do mickey&co. walk upright and act like humans,and no actual humans are seen in their world, while bambi lives in a world like ours, where deers walk on four legs and humans exist?
I attempt to begin to explain this phenomena in my big Disney Theory: ruclips.net/video/InhgpejvRiE/видео.html Thanks for watching!
This movie has one thing to show only, and that is that music is spells. Not necessary bad tho, just saying
Ya there are there diffient kinds of fanatic and a lot movie titles fantsia my favorite fantasiz is night on bald mouamt
This theory seems like it came out of drugs, but I will let it slip since Fantasia feels like a drugtrip itself.
That is supercalafragilisticexpealidotious
Why is disney and nasa so linked together
I all ways saw it as 2 story this was my favorite movie as a child I loved all the art workings Greek my tilt was my best s ubject in school it was so cool to me to see my favorite animals in morons crntsursmermaidspegasus etc💋🙏😍🖤🖤🖤🖤🥰🥰🥰🥰💯
1:24 from this moment on, everything got out of order. Your theory is not straight according to what was going on in the movie. Simply as I've said... every story, in line, is not connected at all.
This was aw coningall fanstiasa and my music teacher like fanstia beacuse it music
Fantasia is the ultimate pot brownie movie
so early 😂
Great job! Thanks for watching!
rw:i do like the film but i just FF pass the boring parts of it (but no offense i did not like how slow it was in the evolution of dinos organisms ,and how the earth reborn part it was just plain boring)
rw:i mean like i've learned that all from docus' ,and school.