Presenting Vaishnavism in the West with Hridayananda Das Goswami | Thinking Bhakti Podcast EP18
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- What is the common ground of sampradayas, and what distinguishes them? How can Vaishnavism be presented in the West without losing its essence, and does appearance create barriers to reaching people? Hridayananda Das Goswami is someone who prioritizes service and strives to share this universal teaching to help humanity grow. At the end, we will ask the question: Should Vaishnavism be separated from Indian culture in order to reach as many hearts as possible?
These and other topics are discussed in Episode 18 of the Thinking Bhakti Podcast.
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Great episode. Hope to see many more like this. It is inspiring to see Hridayananda Das Goswami and Swami Revatikanta having such a pleasant and deep conversation.
" Deep conversation " , - utterly nonsens !!! . Wake up !!!
Nice conversation 🙏thanks
Great podcast! I'm so happy to see two generations of swamis having a chance to talk. HDG took sannyasa in 1972, and having the opportunity to witness these meetings is very delightful for my eyes and ears. It was a very pleasant conversation, thank you so much. Please continue and create more podcasts like this one! ❤️
I could have listened for hours... thank You Swamiji! Jai Gurudev, Hare Krishna! Ram Ram ❤
mature, intelligent, inspiring, thank you!
Fabulous dialogue on how to distribute real knowledge of love and understanding of the Supreme Lord, God, aka Krsna (all attractive One) and our eternal relationship, across the globe in every culture. These spiritual conversations are enlivening and satisfying to the soul 🙏
I absolutely love this. Two brilliant minds sharing such a feast of prem and knowledge. Thank you so much for sharing this. Haribol!
This is what Ive been waiting for! Two vaishnava paths having discourse. This was so good! Thank you so much. Hare krishna
Great talk thank you. I have some points. Hridayananda Maharaj said many times "if you want to save the planet", but i thought that Krishna consciousness was about saving our soul and going back to GodHead. The preaching always goes along the lines of this place is a prison planet and happiness here is Jada "dead". secondly on the topic of Indian dress, I have also got the impression that in the spiritual world we are eternally in Doti, Sari, Gopi dress. so basically what i'm saying is devotees are dressing for the eternal abode, Devotees are practicing for their eternal service in the spiritual world, it has nothing to do with this material existence. I always get the impression the Indian Culture is seen as not a culture but comes from Sanatan dharma, the purpose of all beings and that includes the dress. Jaya Guru Dev, Swami Revatikanta I would like your perspective on my points. Hari Om tat Sat
Through every sampraday (saivya,sakta,vaishnav,ganpatya etc) thousands of saints in india realised god(bhagawat sakshatkar) which is ultimate purpose.so every sampradaya is good and established by same god so that people with different nature can worship him through different sampradaya according to nature
Rest is just brain exercise
Very much looking forward to this episode.
Nice setup. Love how it’s done from cinematic point of view . Different colour spaces for each speaker ! Good sound. Very balanced … still watching. I would put dolly to slowly drive back and forward between speakers.
It's actually the other way around, Most of India is following Vaishnava Culture.... I come from Punjab, Most of the people in state are vegetarian.
I am still following 80% Vaishnava even in US I follow Vaishnava. .. I am from Sikh Dharma tradition but the similarities are there.
Really wonderful episode with lots of insights from Gita. I was looking forward to this conversation. It feels relaxed and grounded with a sense of humour and lots of experiences sharing.
“The wise sees everyone equally.
You have to be equal to everyone in order to achieve the highest Bhakti.” Krishna from Gita.
I feel like I / we still have so much to learn from Gita and most of all to practice it.
You just look at some social media comments and there are so often rude without any respect towards others. We all don’t need to agree on everything but the way we comment on something we don’t agree with says a lot about who we are..
Jai Gurudev, thank you for this wonderful podcast!
Great interview/debate. Learnt a lot. Thank you
I have to say that I am happy that we have such a generous and warm-hearted swami(s) ❤
Great podcast, the conversation was an eye opener, very clear and concise. thank you.
Very interesting discussion about sharing strategies.
Well done! A lot was accomplished here. Some of the same ole points we've heard, some new points, and perhaps better is when we fine-tune the practical truths we already know but are still working on realizing at a larger scale.
Amazing video, much love to you ❤
I love what HdG is saying. This interview is a treat for me!
That was a really good talking! Great points of view. I appreciated it! HK.
Yes we need to save this planet 🙏❤
A lot of compassion here. Good points here
Very mature talking. Thank you all.
Quotes from our acaryas regarding the topic:
"In big scale you cannot make all of them as brāhmaṇas or sannyāsīs.
No. That is not possible. This is a small scale. How many percentage
of people of the world we are controlling? Very insignificant. But if
you want to make the whole human society perfect, then this Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement should be introduced according to Kṛṣṇa’s
instruction, if you want to do it in a large scale for the benefit of the
whole human society.
"Now we are picking up some of them, best. That is another thing. But
Caitanya Mahāprabhu said para-upakāra. Why a certain section should
be picked up? The whole mass of people will get the benefit of it. Then
it is required, systematic. Sve sve karmaṇy abhirataḥ saṁsiddhiṁ labhate
naraḥ. Para-upakāra means mass benefit, not there is certain section.
Then we have to introduce this varṇāśrama-dharma. It must be done
perfectly, and it is possible and people will be happy."
Srila Prabhupada - Room Conversation, Māyāpur, February 14, 1977
"There is no question of Eastern, Western. Now people are intermingling.
Now I think that we shall have institution, especially in America, to train
these first-class (brahmana), second-class (kshatriya), third-class (vaisya),
and the balance fourth class (sudra).
Srila Prabhupada - Conversation with clergymen, Detroit, June 15, 1976
Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura: "Varṇāśrama and Vaidhi-bhakti:"
TEXT
sādhana-kāle ye paryanta
hṛdaya kāma āche
se paryanta varṇāśramādi
dharmera apekṣā thāke
TRANSLATION
At the time of practicing sādhana-bhakti, so long as there is material
desire within the heart, one should remain within the confines of the
varṇāśrama system.
PURPORT
The relationship between the aforementioned varṇāśrama-dharma and
vaidhi-bhakti ought to be examined. The question is, is the varṇāśrama
institution negated, or should it be abandoned when one takes to the
process of bhakti, or should the rules and regulations of varṇāśrama be
followed in order to properly cultivate vaidhi-bhakti?
As we have said, the main reason for the cultivation of varṇāśrama is
that maintaining the body in good health, improving the faculty of the
mind, promoting social well-being, and learning the science of the Self
are all conducive to the practice of pure devotional service.
Who can deny the necessity of the varṇāśrama institution as long
as the living being is bound up in the human body?
If it is abandoned, and the above-mentioned four principles are lacking, the jīva will go
astray and no good whatsoever will accrue to him. One should, therefore,
strictly adhere to the rules governing varṇāśrama for the sake of the
mind, society, and one’s advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
But the observance of varṇāśrama-dharma is not the sole business of
the jīva. Therefore, with the assistance of varṇāśrama-dharma, one must
cultivate pure devotional service.
The purpose of the varṇāśrama institution is to facilitate the practice of devotional service.
The question may arise that since the practice of varṇāśrama is a
dilatory affair, what will one’s duty be if a conflict arises with one’s devotional
practice? The answer is that if one does not maintain and nourish
the healthy condition of the body, mind, society, and the pursuit of
self-realization, how will it be possible to cultivate the higher endeavor,
devotional service? If, abandoning the varṇāśrama institution, one acts
independently, then the demands of the body and mind will cause one
to become intoxicated with material desire and no sign of devotion will
manifest itself. (First vṛṣṭi, sixth dhāra)
The book "Speaking About Varnasrama" offers great insight on these topics.
Please search out that volume. In service ....
I have yet to hear him talk about the descriptions of Krishna in his attire from Srimad Bhagavatam... I would love to hear him speak to that. If I'm attracted to Krishna and Krishna wears those things, then wouldn' I want to wear those things, at least sometimes?
1:47:20 Now THIS. This is great.
The reason I left christianity is exactly because I found the '' Anglo saxonization'' of it so disingenuous , The name , the language , The ''Greek'' Gospels , There is such a disconnect from what has to be the truth , Its like there's an embarrassment of the actual reality , so a construct has had to made in order to make it palatable for Europeans , Living a lie if you ask me . Hare Krishna.
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Does Vishwananda Swami sometimes put Tulasi leaves on his feet? I saw a picture one time.
And Tilak!!!
I have never laughed so much on a podcast ever! Jai Gurudev!
Would be great if people would make productive comments about the topics and content of the podcast and not make subjective claims of who has a higher knowledge, based on one podcast and not speak about nonsense if the earth is flat, which has nothing to do with this podcast. Where is the time when we could talk in a normal way to each another?
The Truth of where we live is of utmost importance. Vedic Cosmology is a Flat and stationary plane. Hridayanada,s book is a work of fiction on a spinning ball shooting through the vacuum of space. Shrimad Bhagavatam is a Flat Earth Cosmology.
@@murliwatkins2682 Have you been into space and looked at the earth? No, for you the whole world turns probably around this topic but why you need to spam a podcast with other topics with this ? just move on and spread your stuff on flat earth forums.
Yes, why don't they address the elephant in the room, if they are authorized.
@@murliwatkins2682no, it's not flat. The earth is a sphere
Since the other Asian countries have existed, they have mostly rejected adoption of India's different cultures and religion. Why have they rejected the highest religion...?
Some really nice insights to take from conversation! Specially for a devotee living in the west, and participating in society full time. One critique though!: I would wish Swami Revati could elaborate his views uninterupted, it was difficult to watch at times. Would love to see more balanced exchange next time. Jai Gurudev
Too body conscious, it's become an ego identity, an ego can't get through the eye of a needle .
in his oratory ardor he left some points unclear, but the level is high and very intriguing
Great discussion 🙏
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I think to move forward you have to update some things and change some things for the modern times which i think has been done to a degree. Wearing pink robes and trying to hustle people for book sales isnt gonna cut it now.
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I think that goswami would do better to not cut off so much the people he is conversing with.
HdG failed. He has been doing his Krishna West thing for about 15 years and has nothing to show for it.
What should show? There are devotees all over following. Just not out in people’s faces. People used to think the Hare Krishnas were so huge just because everyone was out on the street and on the move 😂
@@coachpeterwilliam He himself admitted that KW failed.
my quandary regarding the Christianity analogy, that it spread far and wide when they discarded much of the Jewish rules, is that Christianity today is quite watered down.
Had I been more spiritual and not drunk i would probably be a Buddhist from my time in Korea
Finally sampradais are sects....sanatan greater than sum o parts...n a personal experience
This Howard Resnick aka Hridayananda looks like a regular karmi, he is completely fallen.
He was always a rascal jew.
Yeah man, the khakis gonna make him return 😂
He thinks he is so learned...... Americanized Sanskrit is not Sanskrit. He is a wanna be intelectual. Can't even call him a Sanyasi because he has left all the characteristics of a Yati.
This happens when we don't follow our sastras . The right of sanyasi is only limited to Brahmin(by birth as well as by karm) ofcourse everyone has right to chant the name of narayan but not for sanyasi. If sanyas has done in non scriptural way then he will fallen. Narayan
Shivaya Vishnurupaya.. Shiva rupaya Vishnave. Shivasya Hridayam Vishnu, Vishnasya hridayam Shiva!!
In my mind, they are one and the same. Their Leela is different. One focusses on Vairagya. Other focusses on Knowledge and Bhakti.
I am Shri Vaishnava from the South. Yes, the same south that focuses on shape of your Tilak😂
One should not take sanyas if he is not able to follow rules btw sanyas is only for Brahmin. Narayan
"I believe in Garbodakasayi Visnu... " 😅
I hope this Sangha does public service and doesn't just stay in the forest or on a farm somewhere. 😊
This Senior Swamiji is hilarious: ' by the way my clothes are all for sale...' ' Nice neck beads, they are stylish...Oops there goes Hare Krishna' 'I'm not going to ask a nun for change...' 'Everyone know that I'm a Mr No Dhoti...' ' My Sanskrit pronouns '. Saa, Saha! And he laughs at his own jokes.
He is very knowledgeable. This interview does however illustrate the difference between when the Satguru is physically present and when He has left His body. We simply obey the living Master on everything - clothes, philosophy. When the humans are in charge the mental debates start. Like looking at religious clothes as a culture of a 'third world country'
Have you made an argument based on sastra? mental debates start?
" Like looking at religious clothes as a culture of a 'third world country'" what is factually wrong about this statement?
I went to the biggest wedding in Vrndavana modern history, only the white devotees wore dhoti's and sari's (and the bride and groom) everyone else wore suits and ties.
@Mayadanava Few bhaktas follow instructions including on clothes because of Shastra. Bhaktas follow Masters (or taste a Master's Ras) who guide them on everything including clothes and shastra to study. I and Swami Revati have the fortune of having a living master @Paramahamsa Vishwananda. He tells us what to do, we obey and grow spiritually. Saris provide protection and especially as mataji temple pujaris, we must wear them.
When our Master lives His body, these human mind debates will arise. We will cross that bridge when we get there...
"CHEATER"
What's the point though of a huge 'non initiated' following operating at the lowest common denominator? Not seeking self realization, God realization, Sainthood? That was the downer of this conversation. It started to feel mundane...including in its elevating of intellectuals
We are to be accepted as authority according to uniform, (the breakdown of the dress analogy discussion ). HDG is attracting intellectuals, he says... psychologists, professors, lawyers.... so by wearing nice suit and tie, I might be convinced they are authoritative. But by the way the KW leader dresses, he must be an authoritative couch potato.
What about a huge non initiated core is not seeking god realisation? Krsna gives many levels, the best is the Isopanishad verse 1. Krsna says this implicitly in the Gita, very few people are actually interested and of those that are most are not actually seeking liberation. But living in the mode of goodness and offering back is enough to make a healthy society that is not making Karmic debt.
As for the intellectuals all societies follow intellectuals, that is Varna-Ashram, that is Shabda Pramana, and it is implicit again in the verse: "What ever actions a great man performs common men follow"
Can you name a single religious movement that succeeded without the leaders and intellectuals of a society?
@@tulayamalavenapi4028 He is dressed like the average professor... what university did you attend with suit and ties?
@@MayadanavaI agree with everything you say here. Yes, bhaktas want different things and Krishna honors all. I personally want the highest...it's very hard and on my own I will never succeed. And so I live on my Guru's kripa
I think that sometimes it’s important to look at the bigger picture. Not everyone is going to become God realized in this lifetime. In India the vast majority of people who identify as Vaishnavas have not taken initiation in any sampradaya. We have to nourish the core of serious and dedicated practitioners while recognizing that most of the people of any large religious faith will be on the periphery.
" I think, In my opinion, I wanted, I did not want, I liked etc etc..........He is soooo immersed in the I and My conception that he prefers to adjust the philosophy to HIS opinion and likings instead of surrendering. He thinks that Indian dressing and culture is "freaky, silly, pumpkin like". DO NOT COMPROMISE FOR YOUR OWN MATERIAL ENJOYMENT Bogus Bogus. Keep playing tennis with your colleague. You want to make people believe in re-birth but fear that tilak and shikha is ridiculous 🤣
Yhi hota h jab sastra ko dur kr ke manmani krte h . Narayan
Call this podcast
slouching swamis
Honestly the Sri Swami seems more bonafide than Hridayananda Prabhu....Can't even call him Swami
just listen to prabhupada and everything will fall into place, listening to these new acharyas nothing will be clear to you, only the confusion will increase
absolutely just refer to what Praphupad says
It's very suspect.The other guy doesn't have robes.On. I think I heard about this guy.
Hi, what, exactly, do you desagree with in his speech?
@@Sergiofreitas5 That he thinks western superioity complex.
@@anniemaraj8773 Could you, please, give one example? See, I am not trying to start a fight with you, I am just talking, right?
Here it is the year 2024 and Hridayanada Das Swami still thinks that we live on the exterior of a spinning ball shooting through the vacuum of space. How sad is that?
Do you belive in flat earth theory ?
I think the same way! Earth is a round ball.
Shrimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto is not a heliocentric science, indeed it is a Giocentric science, Dhruva Loka, A.K.A Polaris the North Star is directly above the North Pole and is completely stationary with the Constellations Carouseling around It. The Flat Earth Awakening (which is growing exponentially) is a Truth that ISKCON must come to terms with.
How is this information supposed to help our practice. Are we ascending into a 5G Earth as well? I'm not being condescending. How far do you go..
@@BinduMadhavaDasLoveAll This is one person who confuses a flat map with reality. And a person who can't function in regular society so has run away to live in a fantasy. This is exactly what happens when you only attract freaks and not intellectuals. It's an unfortunate side effect of only preaching to that class of humans.
This episode is regrettably titled. Only profound racism and appropriation could entertain the idea of separating Vaishnavism from Hindu Dharma. Instead of bringing Vaishnavism to the west, better to bring western people to Hinduism
How can you even use the word Hindu when that name was given by the oppressors of India and Indians?
Lord Krishna said, "My Dear Arjuna, Millions of years ago I Instructed this Imperishable Science of Yoga to the Sun god Vivashwan, "
Science; Observable, Testable and Repeatable.
The "Horizon" is indeed "Horizontal" and no matter how high the altitude it stays at "Eye-Level". The "Constellations" are "Constant" and the Stars in Heaven are Firm in their Position and Firm in their Brightness. God Created the Firmament to separate the waters from Above (were MahaVishnu naps)from the waters below (The Great Garbhodaka Ocean). Water Aways Finds It's Level, Sea Level. The Whole of this little 4 headed Brahma Universe has an Up and It has a Down. A Dwarf named Vamana poked a hole in God's Firmament with His big toe and the waters from Above came pouring in and Down.
The Himalayan mountain range was filmed from a passenger plane flying over Dubai, that's over 2,000 miles of no curvature. The Nikon p1000 is a scientific instrument that proves Beyond any shadow of a doubt that the curvature of the earth cannot be measured because the curvature of the earth simply does not exist. The curvature calculation of 8in per mile Squared is Bogas. You simply cannot take all the Flat places known on earth and create a circumference of 24,901 miles. The math is simple.
Those are the sayadhri mountain ranges.
My only question is if the earth is flat Why don't you ever invite a flat earther to a pizza party? Because they'll insist on cutting the pizza into a flat shape to match their beliefs!, 🍕
You are not high enough in a plane to see the curvature of the earth... and yes math is simple, that is why you can show using trig, mountains and shadows the curvature of the earth. But not naked eye observations.
Hridayanada will never debate a Flat Earther, especially one versed in Vedic cosmology.
Set one up and see, you could ask arjuna on his channel theology unleashed to host it
He is clever
Where is Australia in the map of Bhumandala from the 5th canto? oh wait is it one of the circular islands? Have you read the works of Aryabhatta? Why ignore all the Jotish shastra that doesn't provide a flat map of the earth...
Goswami my foot.
The guy is a fake!
Are you Indian?
Such a confuse guest, his body language wants to tell you that he is humble, and yet the cross-legged let me tell you who I'm - a hypocrite. Bhakti is not telling. It is doing. What you speaking so loudly I can't hear what you are saying.
Hu?
Who asked you?
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Two bogus unauthorized individuals. Blind leading the blind.
Are you the guy who choose which sampradaya is authorised or do you base your statement on random puranic verses that no one outside iskcon accepts?
Show us the light you are probably a light tower 💡
Tell this rascal that this so called guru is an offender who considers Srila Prabhupada who is a bonafide acharya of the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya, to be an ordinary person. He has offended Srila Prabhupada in so many ways and still continues to do so. Such a rascal is immediately disconnected from the parampara.
Cite the following verse for this fool:
arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhir
viṣṇor vā vaiṣṇavānāṁ kali-mala-mathane pāda-tīrthe 'mbu-buddhiḥ
śrī-viṣṇor nāmni mantre sakala-kaluṣa-he śabda-sāmānya-buddhir
viṣṇau sarveśvareśe tad-itara-sama-dhīr yasya vā nārakī saḥ
Translation:
"One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaiṣṇava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caraṇāmṛta or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell."
(Padma Purana)
who authorized this comment? Vyas Muni?
Revatinandana thinks Vishwananda is God.
He has way more knowledge than swami revatikanth
It is not about competition!
We all seek knowledge from each other. Not agree with you statement. . Do not compare anyone.
Dont fall for their traps of misleading you. They are completely unauthorized and bogus.
They don't belong to the same generation either. Come back in 30 years and you'll see if your comment still holds.
What’s useless commentary, first Hridayananda Maharaj is a thinker he can talk for hours without stop, Swami Revati actually did a really great job hold and control the flow, besides you coming here to criticise and finding fault, you could just appreciate and try to learn something for yo spiritual grow.🎉